Zello Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Smash Bandicoot said: I'm saying ANY normal person, it's shocking he never went to prison or was hated by the public for his actions. No one knew it was him. iiCriminnaaL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Bandicoot Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 Also, another thing, the structure of the surrounding area changed a bit too much, there were dirt roads nearby and it was more natural, in GTA 3, it just becomes a blank, grassy flat plain. 1 minute ago, Zello said: No one knew it was him. Yes, sending a well known gangster to burn papers, spread random bullsh*t, kill people, steal corpses while also LITERALLY being there with him, and somehow, they don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Bandicoot Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 Quote Are you that nit-picky that you can’t believe that between 1984 and 1986, Vic grew out his hair but suffered issues of baldness? Vic wasn’t bald in VCS, he just had an army-issue shaved head, a style he would not need to retain after dismissal, and even then he had a receding hairline from what you could see of it. There’s no reason to even believe he didn’t or couldn’t have gained weight in that two years either, and the fact you’re using that to support the idea of a continuity error is ludicrous. Seriously, just stop clutching at the straws, please. I’m on mobile so I can’t get the pictures up, but you can compare his look in Vice City and Vice City Stories, and you will be able to see a resemblance. They are not drastically different looking characters even if Rockstar didn’t plan to have him become a protagonist. That’s the reason his voice actor is different too. Bruh, you didn't even bother looking him up, you have no right to speak at all, Victor DOES NOT have any STRAND of hair on his head, he was originally going to have an Army Issue shaved head (as seen in beta models and loading art), but that never happened, his head is a straight up DIAMOND, I was also asking what the hell would've got him all fattened up, Lance stayed just as fit, Vic didn't. Quote Of course there was a reason! The entire story of LCS is the Leones gaining power, and Toni was largely the one who did it. As capo of the Leones and a made man, that is more than enough of a reason for him to not take part in foot soldier work. Also, he has to keep some degree of distance to make sure the LCPD can’t prove his business and he himself is linked to Salvatore Leone. Yes, as if people are f*cking stupid, EVERYONE knows he is a Leone and Salvatore's right hand man, HE IS LITERALLY DRIVING WITH HIM IN LCS MISSIONS PUBLICLY FOR f*ck'S SAKE. Quote Human endurance can go a long way, and you’d be surprised what a bit of adrenaline can get you through. That’s the only thing to suggests his survival, but as has been acknowledged already, this can be seen as a plot hole and continuity error. Oh, so if I get jumpscared off of a building, I'll survive? if that's the case, why can't there be more returning GTA characters and villains who died? Quote The way you phrased your original quote suggested you were talking about the Sindaccos. Since you meant the Forelli family I can address that point by saying that they were heavily dwindled by GTA III and became known as the Forelli Brothers, suggesting they are no longer a family, or so dwindled that you couldn’t even call them one. Yes, and what's the explanation for the Sindacco's disappearance then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Ooft if you're this upset about the loose continuity in the 3D era and GTA IV then you're going to have a heart attack at GTAV and GTA Online GrudgefromSanAndreas, Niobium, Zello and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimeball supreme Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 ctw isnt canon in my opinion but it fits in fine. lcs and vcs arent great prequels, but character differences are either slight or not there. sindaccos are extinct, forellis arent because they're a stronger outfit. there arent multiple miguels. donald love was always a cannibal. not every criminal in lc has a database entry, a lot do, but there arent only like 120 criminals in a city of 8 million. johnny does not look completely different. bulgarin having a right hand man makes perfect sense and isn't contradictory at all. you have yet to say any timeline paradoxes most of these are perfectly explainable, you're just being either deliberately obtuse in ignoring potential explanations or you are completely uninformed, presumptuous, or ignorant about what you're talking about. the fact you're being so combative and angry for no reason doesn't help your case. it isnt rockstar's fault you don't know sh*t 5 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: Was technology even that much advanced back then? also, in the order for the tunnel to work, it would've had to be for the most part completely submerged underwater, and I have no idea how they would've managed to pull that off. case in point Cebra, donnits, billiejoearmstrong8 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoJesus Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 You seem a wee bit pissed. 5 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: I was also asking what the hell would've got him all fattened up, Lance stayed just as fit, Vic didn't. People tend to eat. And sometimes they eat too much. Sometimes they eat so much that they become fat. This was one of the worst attempts at nitpicking a difference. universetwisters, Jeansowaty, iiCriminnaaL and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotti Vigilante Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: No, he hasn't, and all that happened in LCS, duh. Yes it has though. It’s a dry witty form of sarcastic humour, but it’s remained consistent, Quote I'm saying ANY normal person, it's shocking he never went to prison or was hated by the public for his actions. Way to completely ignore me telling you that nobody knew it was Donald Love who was responsible. The man is the founder of a media conglomerate, and as a successful millionaire businessman, it’s safe to assume that he knows about how to maintain a public image. He’s an evil individual, but only we as the player and protagonist know that. To everyone else, he’s a regular businessman who’s no worse than anybody else. Also, just look at the real world if you still doubt people wanting to work for him; despite being the most unpopular president, there are people who still work for Donald Trump in his namesake businesses, because in reality, having a job and way of making a living comes before the dodgy dealings of your boss. Dodgy dealings that, once again, the public doesn’t know about in the case of Donald Love. Quote Was technology even that much advanced back then? also, in the order for the tunnel to work, it would've had to be for the most part completely submerged underwater, and I have no idea how they would've managed to pull that off. Well, let’s see, the Channel Tunnel was constructed from 1987 and opened in 1994, with much of the soil being used in land reclamation for storage. So yes, in 1998, it most certainly was. Edited July 8, 2020 by Grotti Vigilante Zello 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotti Vigilante Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: Bruh, you didn't even bother looking him up, you have no right to speak at all, Victor DOES NOT have any STRAND of hair on his head, he was originally going to have an Army Issue shaved head (as seen in beta models and loading art), but that never happened, his head is a straight up DIAMOND You’re the one who didn’t bother looking him up, because if you were to visit the GTA wiki page you’d see that his pictures consisted of both his 1984 and 1986 look, and in the former you can clearly see he has a hairline that has been shaved. Quote I was also asking what the hell would've got him all fattened up, Lance stayed just as fit, Vic didn't. Vic ate too many calories and gained weight, it’s that simple. Could’ve been from stress that Lance put him through, could’ve been a way to cope with the loss of Louise. Could’ve just been because of his metabolism being affected as a result of ageing. Quote Yes, as if people are f*cking stupid, EVERYONE knows he is a Leone and Salvatore's right hand man, HE IS LITERALLY DRIVING WITH HIM IN LCS MISSIONS PUBLICLY FOR f*ck'S SAKE. You overestimate people’s tendency to pay attention to things that don’t concern them. Don’t pretend like you would see a mobster driving his boss around in public. And before you say it, driving erratically is purely down to the player and cannot be chalked as a continuity error, because I could just as well drive normally. Quote Oh, so if I get jumpscared off of a building, I'll survive? if that's the case, why can't there be more returning GTA characters and villains who died? Jumping off a building and being shot are not comparable. The sudden stop from a height of a skyscraper would destroy your body, while being shot in a non-fatal point causes you to start bleeding out. But it’s possible to be stabbed and not feel it for a few moments when your adrenaline is pumping. Miguel may have been shot, but it’s not unreasonable to suggest he’d at least hold out long enough to survive before an ambulance arrived, or More likely be able to get up and make his own way to the hospital, possibly getting some help from kind strangers along the way. Quote Yes, and what's the explanation for the Sindacco's disappearance then? The Sindaccos were wiped out with no turf or business left in Liberty City along with the death of Paulie Sindacco. The Yakuza and Yardies claimed the turf they had left behind, so there’s no good incentive to go back to Liberty City in such a weakened state. Edited July 8, 2020 by Grotti Vigilante iiCriminnaaL and Zello 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Bandicoot Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 57 minutes ago, Grotti Vigilante said: You’re the one who didn’t bother looking him up, because if you were to visit the GTA wiki page you’d see that his pictures consisted of both his 1984 and 1986 look, and in the former you can clearly see he has a hairline that has been shaved. . f*ck, I could've sworn he had a shining head, must be another case of the Mandela Effect. Quote You overestimate people’s tendency to pay attention to things that don’t concern them. Don’t pretend like you would see a mobster driving his boss around in public. And before you say it, driving erratically is purely down to the player and cannot be chalked as a continuity error, because I could just as well drive normally. Yes, especially when you have 3 stars on your ass, LOL. Quote Jumping off a building and being shot are not comparable. The sudden stop from a height of a skyscraper would destroy your body, while being shot in a non-fatal point causes you to start bleeding out. But it’s possible to be stabbed and not feel it for a few moments when your adrenaline is pumping. Miguel may have been shot, but it’s not unreasonable to suggest he’d at least hold out long enough to survive before an ambulance arrived, or More likely be able to get up and make his own way to the hospital, possibly getting some help from kind strangers along the way. Being shot in the chest with an AK then dropping unconscious for who knows how long until all blood drains out of you and you'd still survive? yeah, and I doubt any stranger at the docks who protest and fight people would want to help a drug dealing Cartel boss. Quote The Sindaccos were wiped out with no turf or business left in Liberty City along with the death of Paulie Sindacco. The Yakuza and Yardies claimed the turf they had left behind, so there’s no good incentive to go back to Liberty City in such a weakened state Well, how the hell did the Forellis survive then? all their leaders were dead, their entire base of operation was burnt and blown to ashes and most of them were killed, only 2 Sindacco bosses died and they didn't have their base get blown to ashes, yet, they don't appear or ever get mentioned as opposed to the Forellis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrudgefromSanAndreas Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 i believe everything is a mess in gta, thats why we're meant to phuck up shyt even more in every gta except maybe online (*cough* mental state! *cough*) where only hackers and modders have the privilege to fukk up everyone else unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) The only GTA continuity that really bothers me is this Tony Prince in 2008: Tony Prince in 2018: Terrible Edited July 8, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8 iiCriminnaaL and Jeansowaty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotti Vigilante Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: f*ck, I could've sworn he had a shining head, must be another case of the Mandela Effect. It can be easy to miss as well. 3 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: Yes, especially when you have 3 stars on your ass, LOL. That could be anyone as far as the pedestrians are concerned. Nobody's going to automatically assume it's just a mobster and his boss, and they won't be able to see who they are during a high-speed chase anyway. 3 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: Being shot in the chest with an AK then dropping unconscious for who knows how long until all blood drains out of you and you'd still survive? yeah, and I doubt any stranger at the docks who protest and fight people would want to help a drug dealing Cartel boss. It's possible even if it sounds unbelievable, but as already acknowledged twice, the Miguel plot-hole can arguably be put down as a continuity error, but it's not totally beyond explanation and may well just not be one. We likely won't know since Rockstar have made no comment. 3 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said: Well, how the hell did the Forellis survive then? all their leaders were dead, their entire base of operation was burnt and blown to ashes and most of them were killed, only 2 Sindacco bosses died and they didn't have their base get blown to ashes, yet, they don't appear or ever get mentioned as opposed to the Forellis. The Forellis were massively dwindled in GTA III though, and you blow up Mike Forelli in the mission "Mike Lips Last Lunch". The Sindaccos lack of appearance in GTA III gives good enough to believe they aren't present in Liberty City with their dwindled forces. They do not necessarily no longer exist, but they have no turf or operations that can make them a present force in the game. iiCriminnaaL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Ronson Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said: The only GTA continuity that really bothers me is this Tony Prince in 2008: Tony Prince in 2018: Terrible I always thought base game GTA IV peds looked ugly as f*ck, but they managed to achieve good looking models in EFLC. GTA V base peds look good enough, but almost every IV character brought back Online is ugly as sh*t, they should stop reusing the online character parts when making them, the only ones who look ok are Karen and Packie. TheSantader25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Officer Ronson said: I always thought base game GTA IV peds looked ugly as f*ck, but they managed to achieve good looking models in EFLC. GTA V base peds look good enough, but almost every IV character brought back Online is ugly as sh*t, they should stop reusing the online character parts when making them, the only ones who look ok are Karen and Packie. It's just dumb as hell, all they had to do was make him look 10 years older but instead they made him a totally different and younger looking person with rabbit teeth, looks like he's built from some generic ped. The disrespect of it! iiCriminnaaL and Officer Ronson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 16 hours ago, slimeball supreme said: most of these are perfectly explainable, you're just being either deliberately obtuse in ignoring potential explanations or you are completely uninformed, presumptuous, or ignorant about what you're talking about. the fact you're being so combative and angry for no reason doesn't help your case. it isnt rockstar's fault you don't know sh*t Literally this whole thread tbh iiCriminnaaL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Yeah it's a complete mess. I mean how come Claude is in Liberty City in GTA 3 but all of a sudden he's in San Andreas in GTA SA? It just doesn't make sense man f*ck this sh*t. donnits, Zello, Jeansowaty and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Bandicoot Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 4:46 AM, Ash_735 said: Ooft if you're this upset about the loose continuity in the 3D era and GTA IV then you're going to have a heart attack at GTAV and GTA Online GTA Online is obviously non canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iiCriminnaaL Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I agree, Johnny looks completely different in TLAD. That's why I don't change anything about CJ's or Niko's appearances in San Andreas and GTA IV, since that would make the entire plot non-canon. billiejoearmstrong8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobeni Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 1:27 AM, billiejoearmstrong8 said: This isn't Tony it's GIlles Peterson billiejoearmstrong8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingli Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 5:27 PM, billiejoearmstrong8 said: The only GTA continuity that really bothers me is this Tony Prince in 2008: Tony Prince in 2018: Terrible I'd argue that Tony got a little bit over top with the Botox and face lifting so he looks the way he looks now. Zello and universetwisters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Pingley said: I'd argue that Tony got a little bit over top with the Botox and face lifting so he looks the way he looks now. LA can do that to a person. universetwisters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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