Explosive ammo

[AmyStone]

18 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

Both. At worst you lost some time while playing a video game.

Is that really all it means to you? You have no emotional involvement in the game?

16 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

But, one thing I think its worse than explosive ammo that would make the game more fair to everyone, is PiB, that thing is cheap as f*ck regarding ez kills.

I'd happily get rid of all the ability cards. I don't think any one card is better than any of the others. It all depends how much time you have put into it. I use PiB all the time and to me it feels that slow and steady and slippery often have the advantage. But they really only have the advantage fighting close where as PiB lets you get distance shots. The trick is to play to the strengths of your cards. Is someone with slippery or slow can stay in cover long enough to get close then I don't stand much chance. Also someone whos good at scoping will easily bet me in the fight unless I use cover property. The thing that is ridiculous with the the cards in the way that some can be combined that make you almost immortal. 

[CosmicBuffalo]

50 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I disagree on some of that.

 

I know near sales can remain defensive of course, but we can still be attacked as there is no way to be sure what's out there, sh*t happens. Unlike in GTA where we can change sessions a few times and get a lone public to sell my nightclub goods for example.

 

Couldn't agree more @kcole4001.

Could you with a mouse? Would you, could you in a house?  You seem confused on how moonshiner sales works. 

[Lonely-Martin]

2 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

Could you with a mouse? Would you, could you in a house?  You seem confused on how moonshiner sales works. 

Lol, no I'm not.

 

Near sales, off radar and available in defensive. Far sales, highlighted to the whole lobby.

 

But we can, and I have, be attacked while selling 'near'. Hence, businesses are DOA for me.

 

You seem confused more than me, lol. I don't see how I could have been any more clear that A, I dislike businesses, and B, I won't do anything to engage in RDRO's quite childish PvP. I'm not here for that crap and never was, but I did try these businesses before I criticised them of course. 

[eighthdoctor]

I will use dynamite arrows to quickly get rid of/discourage griefers, but only if they fire at me first and usually only if they hit me first (sometimes they'll shoot & miss but depending on my mood and where I am in game, I let it go). I don't care if they use explosive ammo on me or regular ammo on me, I'm happy to use dynamite arrows to send you on your way. Leave me alone & I'll leave you alone and no, I don't feel bad for using them but I will admit my free aim skills suck and when in Defensive Mode, so they come in handy.

 

Lately I have noticed that particularly in Fool's Gold a lot of players will start using explosive rounds as long as they are wearing the armour to keep them at the top of the leaderboard. 

[GrungeNinja]

5 hours ago, AmyStone said:

I'd happily get rid of all the ability cards. I don't think any one card is better than any of the others. It all depends how much time you have put into it. I use PiB all the time and to me it feels that slow and steady and slippery often have the advantage. But they really only have the advantage fighting close where as PiB lets you get distance shots. The trick is to play to the strengths of your cards. Is someone with slippery or slow can stay in cover long enough to get close then I don't stand much chance. Also someone whos good at scoping will easily bet me in the fight unless I use cover property. The thing that is ridiculous with the the cards in the way that some can be combined that make you almost immortal.

I understand you, I like the cards idea because it resembles a skill tree, so this makes the game more RPG, customizing your gamestyle to be unique (or kind of).

 

The problem with PiB, its because it allows one a very easier timing at aim and shot, with PiB you just gotta aim once and just release the shot no matter how nimble the oponent is they will get down, so in a scenario where two equally skilled players are fighting each other, the one using PiB will get the most kills because it doesnt need to land the shot the same way the non PiB user needs to, thats why I call it a cheap kill, I know it helps wonders in PvE against several enemies and for hunting, but this thing in PvP doesnt make sense at all.

 

Dead eye cards in the online mode should be about dmg, dodge and healing only.

Edited June 27, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[Buddy Hightower]

3 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Lol, no I'm not.

 

Near sales, off radar and available in defensive. Far sales, highlighted to the whole lobby.

Yes you are.. Moonshine sales don't work like that. You are confusing trader sales.

moonshine is always local, always in defensive, never alters anyone.

 

I still love ya though, brother...

 

[Lonely-Martin]

20 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said:

Yes you are.. Moonshine sales don't work like that. You are confusing trader sales.

moonshine is always local, always in defensive, never alters anyone.

 

I still love ya though, brother...

My bad on that aspect, I was indeed, lol. Ahh well. As we can still be attacked on those sales, it's that part that killed it for me. 

 

But yeah, I've not given it enough attention when it came to the near/far part as I was never gonna sell far anyway so didn't look into it further. 

[Direwrath]

9 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

I still don't understand why you guys get so upset over a little PvP that RARELY happens anyway. When someone attacks me while I'm in defensive (which is 99% of the time I play) I kind of welcome it! That's why they made defensive mode - if you get attacked first you have a giant advantage over the (so called) griefer. I'll stick around and kill them a few times then take off and let them try and find me. It's actually a lot of fun and a change of pace from the boring grind.

 

Like others I have tons of ammo stashed in the mail that I can never possibly use unless I fight back a little.

 

Oh well, to each their own I guess.

Actually it gives little advantage when you have to be a rather good shot with free aim just to be able to make your bullets worth it because you cannot aim right on the "griefer". Many pve players do not practice free aim firing because they shouldn't have to use it unless they intend on going pvp, and obviously many do not want to. It's a stupid mechanic and I believe that if a player wants to tick off another player in defensive they should never have any sort of advantage until that defensive player is forced into offensive mode because they retaliated. There should be a direct consequence to bothering a player in defensive. Perhaps this is why quite a few players used those explosive rounds in the first place, because they cannot aim effectively it's easier to hit the ground around the player with an explosive round and watch them fly.

 

Now I'll be honest that I really think that the explosive and fire rounds/arrows should never have been introduced. Was R* hoping to get the thrill killers excited that they could cause a lot of damage and noise? Kind of like how they get a kick out of putting rockets on everything in GTA? Seems they wanted GTA to be a free roam Twisted Metal.  

Red Dead does not need that kind of stuff to be fun.

 

9 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

I don't know why it's so hard to understand that each and every person on this planet have different views and tastes.

Some will agree on some things, some will feel completely opposite, no one is the same, so why should everyone have to act the same when they clearly do not want to.

 

An open world game is what you want to make of it for yourself, someone could very easily play this game without ever buying one weapon, just wander the map collecting herbs and items, enjoying the scenery, owning no 'businesses'.

If that doesn't make sense to some people, I'm quite sure the peaceful player doesn't see sense in wanting to shoot everything that moves.

 

The freedom of choice is a big attraction, and as long as there is a decent variety of activities to choose from, there's no need to do things you don't like, unless you set yourself a goal and these less desirable bits are necessary to get to your target.

So right

[Ghoffman9]

I always hated ammunition types, you can never tell what type of ammunition they got loaded until the fire, which is too late by then obviously. If you see a player running around with a rocket launcher In Gta, you know what he is capable of and do what it takes to avoid it. With ammunition types you got no idea until you're dead.

Good game design informs you what an opponent is capable of just from sight alone, you do not have that here.

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Ghoffman9

[CosmicBuffalo]

1 hour ago, Ghoffman9 said:

I always hated ammunition types, you can never tell what type of ammunition they got loaded until the fire, which is too late by then obviously. If you see a player running around with a rocket launcher In Gta, you know what he is capable of and do what it takes to avoid it. With ammunition types you got no idea until you're dead.

Good game design informs you what an opponent is capable of just from sight alone, you do not have that here.

 

Good point...another stupid mechanic obviously designed to waste the explosive ammo is when you use all of whatever particular ammo you like to use such as regular ammo...whatever, the game loads up explosive ammo by default on all guns.  And my game hasa  bug where the weapon wheel lags so bad...it can take like 10 seconds to switch ammo types.

[netnow66]

On 6/27/2020 at 7:33 AM, kcole4001 said:

I don't know why it's so hard to understand that each and every person on this planet have different views and tastes.

Some will agree on some things, some will feel completely opposite, no one is the same, so why should everyone have to act the same when they clearly do not want to.

 

An open world game is what you want to make of it for yourself, someone could very easily play this game without ever buying one weapon, just wander the map collecting herbs and items, enjoying the scenery, owning no 'businesses'.

If that doesn't make sense to some people, I'm quite sure the peaceful player doesn't see sense in wanting to shoot everything that moves.

 

The freedom of choice is a big attraction, and as long as there is a decent variety of activities to choose from, there's no need to do things you don't like, unless you set yourself a goal and these less desirable bits are necessary to get to your target.

Nice...

 

I only arm myself with dual sawed offs loaded with explosive and incendiary ammo while on regular servers, just to keep the idiots off of me. On solo servers (where I can relax and enjoy the game, hunt and fish) and when playing in missions, I carry dual revolvers with regular ammo.

 

[AmyStone]

16 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

Good point...another stupid mechanic obviously designed to waste the explosive ammo is when you use all of whatever particular ammo you like to use such as regular ammo...whatever, the game loads up explosive ammo by default on all guns.  And my game hasa  bug where the weapon wheel lags so bad...it can take like 10 seconds to switch ammo types.

The weapon wheel is very poor in how it work. I don't know why they have made it so hard to select things. Even changing outfits is made difficult. It usually takes two goes to select a new outfit before it registers. Even when I hold the selection on an outfit for as long as possible (so the camera angle has switch to be above my character) the selection still isn't made. And I've lost count of the number of times I've died because my character does not take the tonic when I've just selected it. It often takes two or three attempts before the tonic is taken. In fact it's not just the weapon wheel but pretty much all selections that are laggy - like not jumping on your horse because you press triangle a bit too early and before the previous animation has finished. Please game, just remember what button I have pressed and apply it when the animation ends. It wasn't until a couple of weeks ago when I actually started to take notice of what I was doing with the controller that I realised that I am constantly mashing buttons to get my character to do what I want it to do.

[kcole4001]

My 'favorite' malfunction of the weapon wheel is when I select the weapon I want using it's corresponding number (on PC) and instead get the next weapon in that slot, as the game has decided in it's infinite wisdom that what I actually wanted instead of my varmint rifle is a double barrel shotgun, or instead of my reinforced lasso to take down a bounty or animal what I really need is dynamite.

Or hold TAB to open the wheel, press 'E' to go to the next menu, but the game decides I really wanted to get off my horse instead.

 

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I got an opportunity to use explosive rounds yesterday when the same twat kept shooting me in Master Archer, so I blasted him back using explosive rounds from my revolver.

I still beat him to second place by 400 points anyway.

He probably would have beat me if he'd just played the mode instead of being a dick, I forgot I had tracking arrows loaded up for a bounty before I entered MA and used those up first so that kinda messed me up for a little....

[DuduLima]

I use explosive ammo if:

 

- A griefer or a crew of griefers starts to attack me.

- The daily kills challenges which usually involve a use of specific weapon.

- When i play competitive modes or free roam events such as dispatch or fool's gold.

 

Even with builds focused to tank these ammo, it still a good way to tank those fellas if using 2 weapons to combo.

 

The high cost to make/use isn't that good if we compare with GTA, the limit of 10 is annoying (per gun type), but it is a good thing since limits the individual griefers attacks.

 

[No Homing]

1 hour ago, DuduLima said:

I use explosive ammo if:

 

- A griefer or a crew of griefers starts to attack me.

- The daily kills challenges which usually involve a use of specific weapon.

- When i play competitive modes or free roam events such as dispatch or fool's gold.

 

Even with builds focused to tank these ammo, it still a good way to tank those fellas if using 2 weapons to combo.

 

The high cost to make/use isn't that good if we compare with GTA, the limit of 10 is annoying (per gun type), but it is a good thing since limits the individual griefers attacks.

 

Is it really that difficult to aim for the head? 

[Ronin Ogami]

I'll use it in showdowns, if it's used on me first. 

Dynamite arrows, I use because it's easier to craft. 

Incendiary buckshot I use on players that run SB. I can afford it, & SB is a stupid ability card imo.

[Lonely-Martin]

13 minutes ago, Ronin Ogami said:

SB is a stupid ability card imo.

They all are.

[Ronin Ogami]

9 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

They all are.

Agreed. I'd be happy with JUST the special ammo. PIB & SB can especially burn in hell.

[Ghoffman9]

The explosive ammo is basically copied verbatim from Gta Online's Heavy Sniper explosive ammo mod. It is more balanced however as the user has to aim the gun manually as it is a sniper rifle. In RDO however you can equip such powerful rounds and have aim assist do all the work, that was a terrible combination. If they limited explosives to the Rolling Block and Carcano Rifles, they would be balanced. Course Rockstar has never been one for game balance, they turn it into a broken cluster f*ck. Simply look to Gta Online as proof.

 

They got a flying bike that obliterates everything in a ten mile radius and is ironically called the Opressor, it sure sticks to its name sake by oppressing every session it is used in which is pretty much all of them.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Ghoffman9

[Enchilada]

Meh.. Never use it unless I hate the guy. But it never bothered me what types of ammo is used. I’m a defensive player and there’s always that guy that will attack and watch them waste their explosives. 
 

Hardcore free roam is really it’s only redemption to RDO

[DarksunDaFirst]

On 6/27/2020 at 8:06 AM, kcole4001 said:

For the shine missions where you have to destroy a rival operation, you can use shotgun shells on the barrels and still, I switch my LeMats over.

It's usually the only time I use shotgun shells in the game, and it's cheaper than using dynamite/fire bottles or explosive rounds.

You can save your ammo by shooting the nearby lanterns.  You can do it “silently” by using an arrow.  Break the lantern and that small fire will destroy those things for you.

[kcole4001]

18 minutes ago, DarksunDaFirst said:

You can save your ammo by shooting the nearby lanterns.  You can do it “silently” by using an arrow.  Break the lantern and that small fire will destroy those things for you.

Yes, you can also do the same for the missions to burn the fields.

There's a lantern on the ground in each zone, an arrow or varmint rifle round will take care of that, instead of using fire bottles.

On 7/2/2020 at 7:10 AM, Ronin Ogami said:

Agreed. I'd be happy with JUST the special ammo. PIB & SB can especially burn in hell.

PiB is essential in free aim, especially on PC, for flying birds.

Those buggers are all using slip! Birds don't fly like that in reality!

And 3 star rabbits, they must be able to do at least 75 MPH!

[yeezy203]

On 7/1/2020 at 8:29 PM, No Homing said:

Is it really that difficult to aim for the head? 

It’s a bit quicker and when fending off griefers sends a better message to f*** off

[hotrats773]

For defensive purposes.I use it all day, every day.

 

I'm minding my own business and don't have time to putz around playing grab-a$$ or follow "protocol" (wat?) with someone who wants a go at me, I use it until it's empty, make more and use it again. Don't give a $hit.

 

[Ghoffman9]

29 minutes ago, hotrats773 said:

For defensive purposes.I use it all day, every day.

 

I'm minding my own business and don't have time to putz around playing grab-a$$ or follow "protocol" (wat?) with someone who wants a go at me, I use it until it's empty, make more and use it again. Don't give a $hit.

 

Why not stick to defensive mode then? During the odd time some idiot does make the mistake of shooting at me, I just run up to them and lay them out with my sawed off and go on with my day.

I even won fights where I was outmatched five to one.

Picking fights with people that are in defensive are ones most can't win, most know better and just let you pass without doing anything.

[netnow66]

6 hours ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Why not stick to defensive mode then? During the odd time some idiot does make the mistake of shooting at me, I just run up to them and lay them out with my sawed off and go on with my day.

I even won fights where I was outmatched five to one.

Picking fights with people that are in defensive are ones most can't win, most know better and just let you pass without doing anything.

Defensive is not a guaranteed win for a so so player such as myself. I probably come out on top three out of four times and that's using Defensive and explosive/incendiary in my dual sawed offs.And my horse usually dies because I get him in between me and the griefer (out of guilt, I always buy him that horse care package when I go to the stable).

 

I can't read people's minds but I have seen dots come towards me on the map--and then veer off. My assumption is that they see I'm in Defensive and decide it's not worth the effort to try and pop me. I wish all of the griefers would feel that way.

[Ghoffman9]

3 hours ago, netnow66 said:

Defensive is not a guaranteed win for a so so player such as myself. I probably come out on top three out of four times and that's using Defensive and explosive/incendiary in my dual sawed offs.And my horse usually dies because I get him in between me and the griefer (out of guilt, I always buy him that horse care package when I go to the stable).

 

I can't read people's minds but I have seen dots come towards me on the map--and then veer off. My assumption is that they see I'm in Defensive and decide it's not worth the effort to try and pop me. I wish all of the griefers would feel that way.

Well I don't really do anything special, I literally just run up to them and point blank them in the face with the sawed off. The increased damage resistance, and lack of auto aim and head shots guarantees I can close the gap to use it.

As is typical with shotguns you do have to be accurate so long as you're close enough, a good meat shot to the chest downs players in one shot if their health is not buffed by a tonic.

 

When engaged just stay calm, you got the advantage. Use it. Just calmly run up, zig zagging as you go to avoid some damage, then just aim for the chest. Don't worry if you do happen to miss, cause they're going to miss as much or more than you do and unlike you they gotta hit you numerous times while you only got to hit them once.

 

People don't actively avoid people in Defensive, they're low risk. The shield broadcasts to players you're not looking for a fight. Rockstar designed Defensive to where it greatly punishes a player that attacks another player while they're in defensive so its extremely unlikely a defensive player will strike first unless they're new and do not know better.

 

Just something to note though. If a player is shooting at you but has not actually hit you yet do not attack. He must be the first to damage you before you can retaliate. When he attacks his dot will turn bright red and so long as it remains bright red you can attack that player without penalty. That expires after awhile though, so if his dot reverts back to blue you gotta let him hit you again first. Course this only ever happens if the player stupidly chooses to continue attacking over a prolonged period. There are some players dumb enough to do this so keep this information in mind for those situations.

 

Hell when I see a player is shooting at me, I intentionally stand still to make it easier for him then rush in for the kill.

 

Perfect this strategy and all your future fights will pretty much go like this.

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by Ghoffman9

[IamCourtney]

Aside from occasional clowning around, I only really use them for defending Trader sales, and I'm aiming for the attacker's horse in such a situation. The delay caused by killing someone's mount or at least knocking them out of the saddle is more valuable than a straight up kill in a delivery defense since there's no guarantee they won't respawn in a better position to hit your wagon than they were in when you shot them. Better to delay as much as possible and concentrate on getting the goods delivered. If they still want to fight once the wagon is safely dropped off I go back to express until I'm bored, and then I find a new session.

[djb204]

I hate explosive ammo, but I’m forced to use it to even the playing field, because many hostile players I encounter use it sadly. Explosive ammo is such an immersion killer, but what can you do? It’s such a ridiculous addition that spoils the experience in my opinion. 

[kcole4001]

On 7/6/2020 at 10:53 AM, netnow66 said:

Defensive is not a guaranteed win for a so so player such as myself. I probably come out on top three out of four times and that's using Defensive and explosive/incendiary in my dual sawed offs.And my horse usually dies because I get him in between me and the griefer (out of guilt, I always buy him that horse care package when I go to the stable).

 

I can't read people's minds but I have seen dots come towards me on the map--and then veer off. My assumption is that they see I'm in Defensive and decide it's not worth the effort to try and pop me. I wish all of the griefers would feel that way.

Agreed about defensive not being that advantageous, I think that's what messed me up when someone was throwing dynamite at my shine wagon.

He didn't actually hit or damage anything, so when I used PiB all I got was his horse, then he shot me with a rifle and I got increased hostility. A rather broken system.

I killed him with an explosive shotgun slug and left to save my wagon, which he'd set on fire and was taking damage.

That was the first explosive round I've used in quite a while.

 

A possibility when you see someone coming toward you then sharply veer off may be that they're simply heading somewhere and you're in the path, and in defensive you don't show up clearly until you're fairly close.

I do this all the time heading to a collectible or just down the road, and don't see the faint blue dot until I get probably 150-200 ft away.

Yesterday I rode right by a guy standing at the crossroads near Caliga Hall on my way to do a trader resupply, I saw a figure standing by the signpost and didn't realize it was a player until I was almost beside him.

If he'd moved forward into the road I'd have run him over by accident, but i think he was AFK looking at the map or something.