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Bigfuckingsmoke

Carl Johnson is the smartest character

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Bigfuckingsmoke

Replying GTA San Andreas again honestly made me realize how much of a genius Carl Johnson is . If you agree drop your examples

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Outlaw Biker Viking

Na. I think Niko Bellic might be smarter. ūüėõ

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DownInTheHole
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Cj today in 2020 would be heading to the chinese buffet for that early bird senior citizens discount, id say hes pretty smart with his money alright

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Jeansowaty
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I think all protagonists had their dumb moments. Neither of them is very intelligent.

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billiejoearmstrong8
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Depends how you judge it (like are we talking IQ test intelligence, common sense/street smarts, experience/expertise, emotional intelligence etc). But I think Niko, Trevor, Franklin and Luis are the smartest, with CJ and Tommy close behind. Most HD era protagonists are much more self aware and emotionally intelligent so it gives them the edge. I think Johnny is more average and Michael is pretty dumb outside his specialist area of criminal expertise though. I think the other 3D era protagonists I haven't mentioned are pretty average, with Toni on the dumber side.

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Evil empire

CJ is a fictional character but the scenario implies he relies more on his smartness than on the brutal force.

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Limefong

Nah. Tommy and Niko are smarter I think.

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DownInTheHole
On 6/23/2020 at 9:17 PM, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Michael is pretty dumb outside his specialist area of criminal expertise though

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/enjoyment-of-trash-films-linked-to-high-intelligence-study-finds-a7171436.html

 

well mikey boy keeps quoting sh*tty movies so i suppose that makes him pretty intelligent

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Americana

Yes, he's like Albert Einstein from Grove Street. 

 


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Ryo256
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Niko is more street smart than CJ. Probably could identify Big Smoke as a traitor before hand and take him out easily.

But CJ has the feat of running multiple businesses across the state of San Andreas. Tommy can beat CJ in this department and he is more street smart than Niko probably because how cold and calculating he can be.

Johnny is slightly more street smart than Niko and has a feat of keeping the Lost and its business (which has branches in SA as well) running while Billy was inside. Luis and Franklin are smart enough but not that much since they need the guiding hand of Trevor/Michael/Tony to get far in life. 

So, IMO, in terms of protagonists I would say:

Tommy > Johnny (TLaD) > CJ > Michael > Niko > Trevor > Luis > Franklin > Johnny (V)

But we all know who's the real genius:


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Utopianthumbs
Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

Niko is more street smart than CJ. Probably could identify Big Smoke as a traitor before hand and take him out easily.

I think it may not be that certain considering Niko never suspected Michelle even after all her non stop suspicious questioning during hangouts. Also he didn't feel suspicious when Dimitri asked him to come alone to collect the money in an abandoned warehouse, had Jacob not been alerted that the Russians were pissed with Niko and decided to back him up, Niko would have been blindsided possibly. Niko is not dumb by a long shot but I don't know if it's that clear cut that he's got more street smarts than CJ, CJ was mostly blindsided by the fact that Smoke was his childhood friend and he didn't suspect someone he was so close too, Niko has arguably been tricked by worse though I'm unsure who would be the smarter of the two

 

And after typing all this I realized you ranked CJ ahead of Niko, now I feel stupid. But I guess my point  still stands somewhat so I'll leave it anyways

 

Excellent point about Johnny, never saw it that way

 

And hell yeah on Ryder lol

 

Edit- I would also say Trevor is smarter than people give him credit for, though he should remember the name of his business properly, keeps switching between TP industries and enterprises lel

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pianoir

"the smartest character"

Donald Love.

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NileshKumar
3 minutes ago, pianoir said:

"the smartest character"

Donald Love.

Ahh finally someone smart here....

 

Donald Love is a really smart f*ck if we consider guys outside of the protagonist group

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Ryo256
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1 hour ago, Utopianthumbs said:

I think it may not be that certain considering Niko never suspected Michelle even after all her non stop suspicious questioning during hangouts. Also he didn't feel suspicious when Dimitri asked him to come alone to collect the money in an abandoned warehouse, had Jacob not been alerted that the Russians were pissed with Niko and decided to back him up, Niko would have been blindsided possibly. Niko is not dumb by a long shot but I don't know if it's that clear cut that he's got more street smarts than CJ, CJ was mostly blindsided by the fact that Smoke was his childhood friend and he didn't suspect someone he was so close too, Niko has arguably been tricked by worse though I'm unsure who would be the smarter of the two

 

And after typing all this I realized you ranked CJ ahead of Niko, now I feel stupid. But I guess my point  still stands somewhat so I'll leave it anyways

 

Excellent point about Johnny, never saw it that way

 

And hell yeah on Ryder lol

 

Edit- I would also say Trevor is smarter than people give him credit for, though he should remember the name of his business properly, keeps switching between TP industries and enterprises lel

Niko can be forgiven because he was in a completely different country so he didn't quite know what he was getting himself into. Still he knew about Malorie and Vlad before Roman picked it up and even had a plan laid out to handle Faustin by working with him. Problem is that Niko isn't smart enough rise above being just a hitman (CJ is and does do that but may get outsmarted by Niko in a one-on-one encounter).

One thing about CJ is his issue of understanding Officer Tenpenny when he was talking about the Russian dealing with Ballas and CJ had to make him clarify about 2-3 times. The reason CJ does that was more gameplay related tho (give players' the proper insight) but it can be used as evidence that CJ is a bit slow. Though once he builds up momentum and has a plan laid out, he has shown to be very capable.

Trevor is intelligent and I think if he maintains enough self-control, he could be at the top of the list but his main characteristic that even Steven Ogg talked about was that Trevor is a person that doesn't really have a plan. Yes, he planned the heist on Merryweather but he didn't take into account the possible consequences (that later do bite Michael and him in the ass). He does what he does because he wants to, not because it's necessarily a good idea. Trevor is more competent when working with others but on his own, he hasn't shown to go very far in life. Now if he had better role models, I think he would be more successful and richer than Devin Weston (if you really do believe his claim of being a billionaire).


 

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Lioshenka
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Probably yes? I vaguely remember how he planned a few missions in advance and gave his crew instructions - including the heist. I can't really say the same about the other characters.

 

As it was said before, Niko and Tommy are more street smart, but CJ is more intelligent.

 

I want Claude to be smart, but I don't think that he is. He just does stuff.

 

Franklin, Michael and Trevor just get into trouble all the time, mess things up, and get killed. Hardly smart, if you ask me.

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GhettoJesus

I would say Lester is the smartest as, he can track people down with ease. But as it was mentioned before the term "smart" is a bit vague. For example Donald Love and Avery have financial smarts while Dimitri can easily play and manipulate people while Zero, just like Lester, is a tech-savvy person. I would also mention Wade out of the many because although he acts as one of the biggest idiots in the game he still managed to find Michael and all he had was "Michael Townley" and "he has a wife and two kids" for information. Also, Ryder, as it was mentioned above.

 

When it comes to protagonists however:

 

Tommy: I think his intellect only shines when it comes to getting to the top. He noticed an opportunity to get rich and to get on top of the town but he couldn't read Lance and decided to use words instead of trying to pay him and keep him at bay.

CJ: He is pretty dumb at first considering how he believes Smoke's bad excuses and doesn't try to investigate his involvement with C.R.A.S.H. to make sure even though Smoke is slipping up several times. He also needs a mouthful from Kendl to realize the business opportunities but once he gets a grip the snowball starts rolling and he manages multiple businesses while he also manages to play the Loco Syndicate and manages to carry out high profile government missions. So I guess you could say he gets clever by the middle of the story and he uses his intellect both in finance, mission planning and when it comes to being diplomatic.

 

Niko: He is more of a grunt who takes orders but not without questioning. He has the street smarts  and knows how to look out for himself and for others. But I don't think he is much of a planner. However just like CJ he possess emotional intelligence (I don't know how well could he read Michelle) and manages to make a good decisions in several situations although that is up to the player.

 

Franklin: He is probably the least bright of the bunch. He doesn't know what to do with Tanisha blindly believing that money will win her back and is probably pretty depressed. He thinks about getting forward but he kinda relies on others to get to the top. He sees opportunities but doesn't make good use of them and lets himself to be used.

 

Michael: Again, he doesn't seem to intelligent as he got to the top by sheer force and he can't even handle a family for majority of the game. He probably knows a lot about movies as it seems to be a passion of his but that's about it.

 

Trevor: Many have pointed out how he could be intelligent. He certainly knows how to run a successful business so he may actually turn out as a clever fella if it wasn't for his sociopathic tendencies.

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muvdafucupouttahere

CJ is really just a young gangbanger who slowly grows experience of businesses and the world in general. I sure wish they could've used the tag features to show CJ's artistic intelligence. In terms of intelligence though, Tommy and Niko are above him (Tommy when it comes to brains and Niko when it comes to tactical purposes). They all can rival each other in street smarts though.

 

When it comes to the dumbest characters though, it's a toss between Lance Vance from VCS and Maria from both GTA 3 and LCS. I'll let you guys decide.

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Limefong

"Carl Johnson is the smartest character"

Then I would say Lester is the smartest character, he's a real genius.

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billiejoearmstrong8

I feel like ranking the protagonists in order of how intelligent I perceive them to be from most to least smart

 

Niko

Trevor

Luis

Franklin

CJ

Tommy

Johnny

Claude

Vic

Michael

Toni

 

Even though CJ is fifth on my list I'd say he's doing well as the most intelligent 3D era protagonist (HD era ones kind of have an advantage since their characters are more developed and complex). However there are many GTA characters who are more intelligent than the protagonists. Lester is a good pick.

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Utopianthumbs

@billiejoearmstrong8 really harsh on Michael lmao. He isn't as smart as he thinks he is and he may be portrayed as a bit of a chump with regards to his family and stuff but I think he's at least as smart as the likes of Franklin and Johnny, second most dumb protagonist is a bit unfair I think

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billiejoearmstrong8
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7 minutes ago, Utopianthumbs said:

@billiejoearmstrong8 really harsh on Michael lmao. He isn't as smart as he thinks he is and he may be portrayed as a bit of a chump with regards to his family and stuff but I think he's at least as smart as the likes of Franklin and Johnny, second most dumb protagonist is a bit unfair I think

I mean none of them are that dumb. He's good at robbing banks but seems rather gullible, lacking in self awareness and not that smart overall. Probably still smarter than the average person but by GTA protagonist standards I'd say below average.

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Jeansowaty
21 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I feel like ranking the protagonists in order of how intelligent I perceive them to be from most to least smart

 

Niko

Trevor

Luis

Franklin

CJ

Tommy

Johnny

Claude

Vic

Michael

Toni

 

Even though CJ is fifth on my list I'd say he's doing well as the most intelligent 3D era protagonist (HD era ones kind of have an advantage since their characters are more developed and complex). However there are many GTA characters who are more intelligent than the protagonists. Lester is a good pick.

I completely agree that Toni is the dumbest one. He's easily manipulated and doesn't give a sh*t about anything, just blindly follows orders. I would, however, put Vic higher than Claude. Luis and Franklin lower too. Tommy is more intelligent than both of them, I'd say.

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RenegadeAngel

I don't know how it's even possible to determine the intelligence of any of the protagonists as they're not developed enough. Based on their actions, they're all very talented mercenaries, but rarely show anything special beyond that. CJ and Trevor succesfully planned a full-blown heist and that's about the most intelligent thing I can remember a GTA protagonist do.

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Utopianthumbs
On 1/24/2015 at 11:57 PM, grope_4_that_date said:

Trevor is pretty smart. He watches the news during sex.

 

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Ryo256
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1 hour ago, RenegadeAngel said:

CJ and Trevor succesfully planned a full-blown heist and that's about the most intelligent thing I can remember a GTA protagonist do.

So has Tommy and Michael (Blitz Play Heist).

Trevor's heist wasn't very successful though because he had no idea what he was robbing in the first place.

CJ's heist is indeed a testimony to his intellect because not only was it the biggest heist in the series, he actually had no Lester/Ron helping him out. Zero did come in but he was more of a hacker than a planner.

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NewGuybj

I think Carl is one of dumber protagonists. He planed the casino heist, so what? He couldn't tell that Woozie was blind, until he was told to. No offend, Carl is one of my favorite protoganists.

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Ryo256
2 minutes ago, NewGuybj said:

He planed the casino heist, so what?

It's just one suggested way of measuring intellect since we don't really have an absolute standard to work with.

 

3 minutes ago, NewGuybj said:

He couldn't tell that Woozie was blind, until he was told to.

He literally raced against Woozie, who would think that he was blind after that? That's just a poor example in my opinion.

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NewGuybj
33 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

It's just one suggested way of measuring intellect since we don't really have an absolute standard to work with.

 

He literally raced against Woozie, who would think that he was blind after that? That's just a poor example in my opinion.

Fair enough. If I came up with more examples, I'll let you know.

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iiCriminnaaL 49

I don't know if he's the smartest, but he's surely one of them if we consider what he was capable to do, especially the heist he planned.

 

But then again, I can't help but feel like it's just weird for him to jump from gangbanging, to being a kind of secret agent, and later on to a casino co-owner who rivals mafia families and plans for a big heist on their casino. It just feels like he has a different character with nearly every portion of the game, which is fair given the fact that the game was intended to have three protagonists. But at least it worked very good in the countryside and San Fierro.

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JetNormalGuy

All the protagonists live a life of crime so that makes them stupid enough to choose this career in the first place.

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