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Bigfuckingsmoke

I don't think Ryder was meant to be traitor

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Bigfuckingsmoke

The way I see it Ryder was never meant to be traitor because in the scene where it shows Smoke and Ryder's betrayal ,CJ doesn't even acknowledge Ryder and if you think about it during the drive bys against Ballas, Ryder shot while Big Smoke was stuffing his fat face and if you think about it the lines that Ryder had in Pier 69 were recycled from the robbing mission (can't remember the name )

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watersgta3

If you watched K3vin's interpretation videos of this topic on YouTube, you'll see that the reason for this was because Ryder's voice actor either had a dispute with R* (like Ray Liotta and Michael Hollick) or that Ryder's voice actor was recording albums during the time and didn't have time to record new dialogue for said character.

 

Ryder's betrayal was definitely improvised. The fact we receive some random dialogue from Cesar telling CJ that Ryder tried to bang his sister came out of nowhere and was a major copout to make him seem worse definitely don't help.

 

I think it would have been better if Ryder was either killed as a loyal gang member in the Green Sabre mission or have him work alongside CJ after the latter's exile in San Fierro. If you want, you can see how I rewrote the story in FF to show how Ryder staying loyal can work.

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Bigfuckingsmoke
1 minute ago, watersgta3 said:

If you watched K3vin's interpretation videos of this topic on YouTube, you'll see that the reason for this was because Ryder's voice actor either had a dispute with R* (like Ray Liotta and Michael Hollick) or that Ryder's voice actor was recording albums during the time and didn't have time to record new dialogue for said character.

 

Ryder's betrayal was definitely improvised. The fact we receive some random dialogue from Cesar telling CJ that Ryder tried to bang his sister came out of nowhere and was a major copout to make him seem worse definitely don't help.

 

I think it would have been better if Ryder was either killed as a loyal gang member in the Green Sabre mission or have him work alongside CJ after the latter's exile in San Fierro. If you want, you can see how I rewrote the story in FF to show how Ryder staying loyal can work.

Aight homie show me 

 

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Utopianthumbs
11 minutes ago, watersgta3 said:

I read the first couple of pages and I know you didn't ask for a review or anything but I wanted to say I liked the backstory you provided for the hit on the Johnsons, the Black Jack part and the Ballas instigating stuff between GSF is great for adding context to the hit. I also found the wrestling bit between CJ and Ryder and CJ admitting Ryder is a genius parts funny. 

 

As someone who doesn't really have an ounce of creativity I find stuff like this really interesting. May leisurely read the rest of the 101 pages later, I liked it. 

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watersgta3
3 minutes ago, Utopianthumbs said:

I read the first couple of pages and I know you didn't ask for a review or anything but I wanted to say I liked the backstory you provided for the hit on the Johnsons, the Black Jack part and the Ballas instigating stuff between GSF is great for adding context to the hit. I also found the wrestling bit between CJ and Ryder and CJ admitting Ryder is a genius parts funny. 

 

As someone who doesn't really have an ounce of creativity I find stuff like this really interesting. May leisurely read the rest of the 101 pages later, I liked it. 

Well thanks. I'm also working on rewrite versions of the other III era storylines as well.

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12 minutes ago, watersgta3 said:

Well thanks. I'm also working on rewrite versions of the other III era storylines as well.

Feel free to share, I generally find alternate versions of stories interesting and it'll be fun to read through such versions of the GTA stories. Would be fun to see a rewrite of VC particularly since that's my favorite along with SA. 

 

Edit- to not go off topic too much, another part which tells me Ryder wasn't supposed to betray CJ is that he mentions the Green Sabre while Smoke then changes the topic. It was dumb of Ryder to do so considering he was involved but if he wasn't originally involved then it would make sense

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Corrected lots of typos
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Bigfuckingsmoke
30 minutes ago, Utopianthumbs said:

Feel free to share, I generally find alternate versions of stories interesting and it'll be fun to read through such versions of the GTA stories. Would be fun to see a rewrite of VC particularly since that's my favorite along with SA. 

 

Edit- to not go off topic too much, another part which tells me Ryder wasn't supposed to betray CJ is that he mentions the Green Sabre while Smoke then changes the topic. It was dumb of Ryder to do so considering he was involved but if he wasn't originally involved then it would make sense

Could a back story of Toni Cipriani and Claude be done

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muvdafucupouttahere

Exactly. He never showed signs of betrayal (even if you take in account that he didn't return after leaving to fetch Big Smoke in "House Party", we could interpret that as him driving to Smoke's place and driving around to find more GSF members), and NO ONE even acknowledges him. Hell Cesar didn't even mention his name when he told CJ who the bad guys were, and the comment about Ryder trying to bang Kendl came out of nowhere. I'm sorry, but if Ryder is really that unimportant to the story, then why have him as a GSF member in the first place/ Why have him as one of the main characters? Better yet, why even have him in the game in the first place if they weren't going to use him much in the future storyline scenes?

 

While I do prefer Ryder to stay loyal in the gang since it fits his character much better, I think that Ryder being a traitor could still work if R* actually performed the execution better. As I said before, we could have it that he let the PCP f*ck up his thinking and that caused him to act crazy and far more sadistic than usual. We could see him and CJ engage in a gun battle at some point at the return of Los Santos before the Riot mission (after having Ryder explain himself) and we could see a final piece of dialogue by Ryder right before he bleeds to death. That would've been a much better, much more profound send off for him.

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Carl Theft Auto

Well clearly Cesar said "f*cking Midget deserved it eh, he tried to bang your sister."

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It's true that Ryder known as Lance Wilson never showed any signs of betrayal. That's because Big Smoke known as Melvin Harris offered Ryder to join him with C.R.A.S.H and Ballas for money and power, but Ryder didn't want to betray the GSF Families and Smoke was the reason behind it eho made him join C.R.A.S.H and Ballas

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Evil empire

This subject has already been talked about at least 1000 times.

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