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Smash Bandicoot

I Wish Roman Played A Bigger Role In The Game.

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Smash Bandicoot

I feel like Roman was underused as a character, he only had like 5 missions and never gave you anything after, and while this is sort of a nitpick, he also never holds a gun once in the whole game, I know it would be against his character a bit, but should've had more defense than non and he wasn't clean of the cops either way, he should've been more like Lance in VCS, I mean, how come is the secondary protagonist, yet he has less missions than Ray f*cking Baccino? doesn't make sense, he should've had more firepower and he should've gave you missions at a new apartment located in Algonquin, there was no reason for him to be absent for most of the game.

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Algonquin Assassin

I'm fine with Roman's role in the story.

 

He's not a criminal for one thing hence why he never holds a gun, but at the start he gives us missions because he's our initial point of contact. The missions he turns up later on are the ones vital to the story like "Hostile Negotiation", "A Weekend At Florian's" and "That Special Someone". Then of course he's part of the choice of "Deal" or "Revenge" and gets married to Mallorie. It's not like he drops off the face of the Earth..

 

There's also the fact he can hang out with Niko as a friend so I never felt like he was underused when technically I could see him whenever I wanted to.

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Utopianthumbs

Atleast he isn't in jail for most of the game like a sibling of another protagonist 

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You can call him after major missions and he and Niko talk.

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I also used to think the same about his role post Bohan, but now when I look at it from a different perspective I'm kinda glad about the way his character is handled, and I don't think that the story would've felt more impressive had his role stayed just as significant for the entire story.

 

I get it that some people might get the attention that I'm just trying to find an "excuse" for him being "underused" halfway through the story, but just like how it is with Dimitri, I have reasons of why I don't regard that as underdevelopment

 

So, they had trouble with the Russians, so they went to Bohan. Roman still didn't give up on gambling, and he got in debts with the Russians once again. They kidnapped him, he was rescued by Niko, and then bought him and his cousin a penthouse in Algonquin, which was far safer and less crime dominated. He successfully stays out of trouble this time, while in the mean time Niko finds his way out in the city on his own and pays more attention to his own goals rather than having to look out for Roman all way through.

 

As some people mentioned, he still can give Roman a call every now and then after certain missions, and they can also call each others to hang out.

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Smash Bandicoot
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16 hours ago, Utopianthumbs said:

Atleast he isn't in jail for most of the game like a sibling of another protagonist 

That's would've gave more of a reason as to why he doesn't appear often.

17 hours ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

I'm fine with Roman's role in the story.

 

He's not a criminal for one thing hence why he never holds a gun, but at the start he gives us missions because he's our initial point of contact. The missions he turns up later on are the ones vital to the story like "Hostile Negotiation", "A Weekend At Florian's" and "That Special Someone". Then of course he's part of the choice of "Deal" or "Revenge" and gets married to Mallorie. It's not like he drops off the face of the Earth..

 

There's also the fact he can hang out with Niko as a friend so I never felt like he was underused when technically I could see him whenever I wanted to.

Even though he isn't a criminal, he ain't exactly clean, he is associated with murder and bankruptcy/tax evasion.

"Hostile Negotiation" I understand, but he didn't really have much purpose in "A Weekend At Florian's" and "That Special Someone" other than to be there despite the fact that he never had any sort of relation to Darko and Bernie/Florian and was only there because he was related to Niko, also doesn't the bowling and hangout part also apply to Packie, a character who appears way more often than Roman either way?

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1 hour ago, Smash Bandicoot said:

That's would've gave more of a reason as to why he doesn't appear often.

Even though he isn't a criminal, he ain't exactly clean, he is associated with murder and bankruptcy/tax evasion.

"Hostile Negotiation" I understand, but he didn't really have much purpose in "A Weekend At Florian's" and "That Special Someone" other than to be there despite the fact that he never had any sort of relation to Darko and Bernie/Florian and was only there because he was related to Niko, also doesn't the bowling and hangout part also apply to Packie, a character who appears way more often than Roman either way?

Packie's able to take a more active role in more missions because he's a criminal. Considering Roman is a non criminal (or almost non criminal) character I think he's in it a fair amount. If you hang out with him enough to hear all the dialogues and do all the catching up phone calls between missions it really feels like he's in it a lot. He's there from the start, has a whole segment of missions, appears again at important times, appears again and plays a pivotal role at the end, and any time in between is filled in with hanging out or phone calls. Plus you get to see him again several times in TLAD and TBOGT. Pretty good amount of Roman imo

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universetwisters

Let's put it this way; how often do you see your cousin irl?

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Algonquin Assassin
5 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said:

Even though he isn't a criminal, he ain't exactly clean, he is associated with murder and bankruptcy/tax evasion.

I know that, but by that he isn't a "criminal" I mean in relation to other characters throughout the series. He isn't a gang leader, he isn't a drug dealer, he isn't a hired gun and so on. Sure his record isn't squeaky clean, but most of the illicit activities Roman's been involved with would be considered minor compared to other characters. Being an accessory to murder, bankruptcy/tax evasion aren't exactly high profile crimes. They might be in real life, but in the GTA series it's the equivalent of getting a slap on the wrist.

 

He's never shown to have violent tendencies (and usually he's the one getting his arse kicked) so that's why he never holds a gun or gets involved with the more hands on, nitty gritty things Niko has to.

 

5 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said:

"Hostile Negotiation" I understand, but he didn't really have much purpose in "A Weekend At Florian's" and "That Special Someone" other than to be there despite the fact that he never had any sort of relation to Darko and Bernie/Florian and was only there because he was related to Niko, also doesn't the bowling and hangout part also apply to Packie, a character who appears way more often than Roman either way?

Did you even pay attention to the dialogue in "A Weekend At Florian's"? Bernie/Florian and Roman already knew each other from the old country, but I would say Roman's purpose in these missions is as a means of support for Niko. Then again you're complaining that Roman disappears after his missions are done, but now you're complaining about his "purpose" in the missions he turns up in? Seems a bit contradictory.

 

As for Packie where number of missions are concerned Roman technically gives more than Packie. However my point with the friends is at least it still gives us a way to still see him even when he's not actively involved with the story. In most other GTA games when the characters are done with their missions that's it. We don't see them again. GTA IV's different.

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Smash Bandicoot
2 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Let's put it this way; how often do you see your cousin irl?

Not very much, but if he was the only family member I had in a foreign city and he was the main reason for me coming there, that would be a different story.

1 hour ago, Algonquin Assassin said:

I know that, but by that he isn't a "criminal" I mean in relation to other characters throughout the series. He isn't a gang leader, he isn't a drug dealer, he isn't a hired gun and so on. Sure his record isn't squeaky clean, but most of the illicit activities Roman's been involved with would be considered minor compared to other characters. Being an accessory to murder, bankruptcy/tax evasion aren't exactly high profile crimes. They might be in real life, but in the GTA series it's the equivalent of getting a slap on the wrist.

 

He's never shown to have violent tendencies (and usually he's the one getting his arse kicked) so that's why he never holds a gun or gets involved with the more hands on, nitty gritty things Niko has to.

 

Did you even pay attention to the dialogue in "A Weekend At Florian's"? Bernie/Florian and Roman already knew each other from the old country, but I would say Roman's purpose in these missions is as a means of support for Niko. Then again you're complaining that Roman disappears after his missions are done, but now you're complaining about his "purpose" in the missions he turns up in? Seems a bit contradictory.

 

As for Packie where number of missions are concerned Roman technically gives more than Packie. However my point with the friends is at least it still gives us a way to still see him even when he's not actively involved with the story. In most other GTA games when the characters are done with their missions that's it. We don't see them again. GTA IV's different.

I wish he was more violent, there was no reason for him to be as much of a coward as he is ingame, and if he's gonna appear in a mission, it better be worth the wait, the only reason he's there in "That Special Someone" is that he can watch, nothing else, yes, totally worth it for being absent for the majority of the game, and the only reason he was there in the revenge ending was that he could appear before the credits, he might aswell not even be there, he LITERALLY does absolutely nothing other than become exposed to gunshots, couldn't he be the helicopter pilot in this ending? I mean it would've gave him a bigger purpose and we didn't know what Roman's driving capabilities were, so having him be... there for literally no f*cking reason whatsoever is nonsense, he felt like he was poorly written after the first 20 missions, he just... existed, I mean, isn't he a driver? couldn't they have atleast made him be a getaway driver or something? I mean, this is GRAND THEFT AUTO after all.

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Oh and funny story: In one of Little Jacob's missions (the mission where you follow a drug dealer to his base), I suddenly got a phone call from Roman telling Niko to hang out, Niko started yelling that he is in the middle of an important situation, the dealer ended up getting spooked, ran away, and I failed the mission.

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Americana
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He's busy spending our money with Brucie.

 

I wish Lance played a bigger role in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, though.

 


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Zello
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The one thing I liked about V was the story npcs that lived in your house. Michael and his family, Trevor and Wade, Franklin and his aunt in the beginning. It would have added more to the game if in every safehouse that you and Roman shared Broker (before it burned down), Bohan, and the middle park east safehouse you could see Roman at certain times in the day when he isn’t working. Unfortunately that was after IV came out.

 

I am disappointed that we didn't get to see his second Cab depot.

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billiejoearmstrong8
Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, Smash Bandicoot said:

Oh and funny story: In one of Little Jacob's missions (the mission where you follow a drug dealer to his base), I suddenly got a phone call from Roman telling Niko to hang out, Niko started yelling that he is in the middle of an important situation, the dealer ended up getting spooked, ran away, and I failed the mission.

That's scripted to happen haha, and it doesn't have to cause mission failure as you can then just chase him to the apartment. You get calls from other friends at awkward times during certain other missions as well (eg Brucie calling to suggest going to a strip club when you're already going to one to shoot it up, Jacob inviting you out for a meal when you have two dead bodies in your trunk etc), it's a running gag. 

 

42 minutes ago, Zello said:

The one thing I liked about V was the story npcs that lived in your house. Michael and his family, Trevor and Wade, Franklin and his aunt in the beginning. It would have added more to the game if in every safehouse that you and Roman shared Broker (before it burned down), Bohan, and the middle park east safehouse you could see Roman at certain times in the day when he isn’t working. Unfortunately that was after IV came out.

 

I am disappointed that we didn't get to see his second Cab depot.

Yeah that would've been cool. I guess they hadn't advanced to that level of AI or whatever yet.

 

I do think there definitely should've been a second cab depot, it was silly that there wasn't. Would've been nice to have infinite cab missions from it as well, but even just seeing it there would've been good. That's the only thing I think they slightly slipped up with in regard to Roman's presence in the game. 

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Americana
4 hours ago, Zello said:

The one thing I liked about V was the story npcs that lived in your house. Michael and his family, Trevor and Wade, Franklin and his aunt in the beginning. It would have added more to the game if in every safehouse that you and Roman shared Broker (before it burned down), Bohan, and the middle park east safehouse you could see Roman at certain times in the day when he isn’t working. Unfortunately that was after IV came out.

 

I am disappointed that we didn't get to see his second Cab depot.

 

This... second cab business is weird. It's like Rockstar didn't care... at all. I mean, Cavalcades aren't even taxis... Come on.

 


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Niko stepped out of Roman's world, in his quest for vengeance. Of course we saw less of Roman. 

 

 

In fairness to the OP, though, for all the insults Roman got about his weight, I have to agree that, graphics-wise, he should have had bigger 'rolls'. 

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11 hours ago, Lance Mayhem said:

Niko stepped out of Roman's world, in his quest for vengeance. Of course we saw less of Roman. 

 

 

In fairness to the OP, though, for all the insults Roman got about his weight, I have to agree that, graphics-wise, he should have had bigger 'rolls'. 

I always felt that Vlad is thiccer than Roman, lol.

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18 minutes ago, Jeansowaty said:

I always felt that Vlad is thiccer than Roman, lol.

He's bigger overall but I think he has more muscle and a bigger frame as well whereas Roman is just chubby and out of shape, probably why he felt he could take shots.

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14 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

He's bigger overall but I think he has more muscle and a bigger frame as well whereas Roman is just chubby and out of shape, probably why he felt he could take shots.

I just found Vlad to be an ugly hairy man. I wonder why Mallorie cheated on Roman with him. I guess she likes ugly Eastern european men lol.

 

Apparently Vlad had a sister too that Mikhail was banging. I just picture her looking like Vlad but with long hair and lipstick lol.

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Lemoyne outlaw

i do agree that roman should have had a few extra missions. in fact i remember reading about a cut mission where niko and roman were driving a boat with some people. i also remember when i first played through the game. every time i saw a mission for ray. i got excited and thought that it was a roman mission. so yes it would have been nice to have more missions with him. but we still got plenty enough i think.

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Before IV came out I thought Roman was a criminal. I actually thought Roman was part of a gang in this trailer when you see something on his shoe and the way his face looked like when Niko was driving the car like he was hiding something.

 

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Unfortunately it was a cockroach 😭

 

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ROCKSTAR MANIC
9 minutes ago, Zello said:

I just found Vlad to be an ugly hairy man. I wonder why Mallorie cheated on Roman with him. I guess she likes ugly Eastern european men lol.

 

Apparently Vlad had a sister too that Mikhail was banging. I just picture her looking like Vlad but with long hair and lipstick lol.

lol I was just playing Uncle Vlad last night, and I find it hilarious how Roman talks about  his "open relationship" with Malorie. Then how the next time he's gonna watch when they do the deed. But then digresses and gets disgusted when he imagines him banging her with a fat sweaty hairy back lol. The only reason she was banging Vlad, because he was sexually aggressive with her and she had  Roman in the friend zone. lol R* just was ahead of its time.

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5 hours ago, Zello said:

I just found Vlad to be an ugly hairy man. I wonder why Mallorie cheated on Roman with him. I guess she likes ugly Eastern european men lol.

 

 

His confidence and swagger probably. Also I think it was partially to stop him hurting Roman/to in some way pay Roman's debt, making it a pretty toxic situation. 

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Utopianthumbs
9 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Also I think it was partially to stop him hurting Roman/to in some way pay Roman's debt, making it a pretty toxic situation. 

I used to think this too, but I don't believe there is any evidence as such of this beyond wishful thinking. Mallorie did say something like 'Say what you like but atleast Vlad knows how to talk to a lady'. I think she loved Roman but also got charmed by Vlad. 

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I think it's reasonable to suggest that Mallorie slept with Vlad so that he wouldn't hurt Roman or something, since she does seem to care about him to some extent such as when he got kidnapped, and she did agree to marry him and be the mother of his child. But really, I wouldn't be surprised if she did it party on her own accord. Roman is a nice caring individual, but he's just not the sort who gets the women sexually excited. He's more the kind who she'd introduce to her father. Meanwhile, Vlad is the opposite. He's most certainly not the nice caring individual, and you'd never want to be caught with him, but he's got that vibe that'll excite them. Mallorie seemed like a nice girl, but even she isn't immune to her own inner desires and biology.

 

But really, Roman's whole role in the story isn't to be a literal partner-in-crime. He's the one who brought Niko to Liberty City and the one who keeps Niko connected to the more real aspects of the world. No, he wasn't clean, but a lot of people aren't. If you've ever drank alcohol at any point in your life the puritans would hate you for having done drugs, but compared to everyone else Roman was a legitimately good individual just trying to get by. In a series whose core theme and identity is centered around criminals and crime, it's better to have a character who isn't a dodgy individual and is generally well-meaning. Roman is the character that fills this role, and by making him Niko's cousin, there's good reason to keep him around. 

 

Most GTA games have at least one character like this. First ones that spring to mind is Mercedes Cortez who had a father involved in dodgy dealings but mostly stayed out of trouble. Then you have Madd Dogg in San Andreas who was a talented rapper who ended up being dealt a crappy hand. Even GTA V with it's abundance of archetypes and watered-down previous characters had Floyd Herbert who just wanted to live a normal life but ended up being stuck with dodgy criminals who ruined it. Roman simply fills the role, along with Kate, of being one of those good characters that bring out Niko's good side.

 

That's in part what makes both ending more dramatic: it's not terrible criminals who are paying for Niko's choice, it's people who didn't do anything. In Deal, Niko says "Roman never hurt anyone", and in Revenge Packie says "she didn't do nothing to nobody. It was us McReary men who were the sinners". Having good characters like that can both demonstrate that the world GTA takes place in isn't all gloomy and bad, while at the same time show us how harsh it can truly be where not even the good people are truly spared of it's misfortune. On that basis, Roman's role in the story fits in just fine.

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Bandolou

I found his constant phone calls annoying tbf. Kinda felt like a needy gf. He could have played a better part throughout IV.

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14 hours ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

I think it's reasonable to suggest that Mallorie slept with Vlad so that he wouldn't hurt Roman or something, since she does seem to care about him to some extent such as when he got kidnapped, and she did agree to marry him and be the mother of his child. But really, I wouldn't be surprised if she did it party on her own accord. Roman is a nice caring individual, but he's just not the sort who gets the women sexually excited. He's more the kind who she'd introduce to her father. Meanwhile, Vlad is the opposite. He's most certainly not the nice caring individual, and you'd never want to be caught with him, but he's got that vibe that'll excite them. Mallorie seemed like a nice girl, but even she isn't immune to her own inner desires and biology.

That actually makes a lot more sense. At the point in the story Vlad had the balls to take what he wanted and didn't care Mallorie grew up in Bohan and I guess he could have reminded her of the big time players in Bohan. Women do like confidence in men and it can go a long way I've seen that irl guys with girls outta their league. I still find Vlad to be ugly though just imagining his hairy self banging Mallorie...gross.

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On 6/17/2020 at 10:43 PM, Utopianthumbs said:

Atleast he isn't in jail for most of the game like a sibling of another protagonist 

Yeah lol

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If you rhink about it like that, other protagonists had sidekicks that didn't appear too much either. But I get your point. Something you could do to improve this is to periodically do hangouts with each friend after each few missions and do the optional post-mission calls to Roman as well. These make it less sudden when friends who have been absent from the storyline for some time reappear. Though you're wrong to say Roman didn't know Florian and Darko when they all grew up in the same village and when Roman and Florian actually recognise each other and criticise each other's looks.

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