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Zheung Yik

Do you want a wheelchair bound protagonist?

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Uncle Sikee Atric

It works in certain games,

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But in something like GTA, wheelchair bound chars are more for the realm of NPC's.

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Razor Cola

As a DLC? yes, I'm game, but a full game being wheelchair bound? It would get boring real quick. 

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GTA-Biker

I currently have one leg broken in a cast and I need crutches to move around the house.Simple stuff that I could normally do in less than a minute,like getting off the couch and going to the toilet,now take like five minutes.How the hell would then somebody in a wheelchair be able to do the stuff that GTA protagonists commonly do (steal vehicles, have fistfights, have shootouts with dozens of cops or gangsters, run from cops, etc.)?Just stealing a car would be almost impossible,you'd have to open the door,pull the driver out of their car,fold your wheelchair and get it in the car,get in,and then somehow push clutch, gas and brake pedals despite not being able to use your legs or not even having them.I get wanting to be inclusive,but this game would be either completely unrealistic or completely unplayable.

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José_Sócrates
Posted (edited)

What? Really, what?

What the hell is this idea?

This is not even an issue of storytelling or writing or the concept of having a new, different protagonist than the rest. This is straight up a gameplay issue.

One of the main features of GTA ever since the beginning was freedom - freedom to do whatever you want and go wherever you want, even if it was restricted in the first titles. A wheelchair bound protagonist does not have the freedom required for a GTA game, and never will, no matter how much Rockstar tries to implement that sh*t, because that's just how wheelchairs work - it's not hard to tell that a person that is not able to walk lacks a good amount of freedom. The only was this can be changed is if Rockstar introduces an Online style futuristic wheelchair that will do everything that the protagonist can't do, and if we think about it, that is not really a wheelchair bound protagonist anymore, is it?

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KGBeast

Sure why not? 

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gta7dev
On 6/16/2020 at 9:28 PM, Algonquin Assassin said:

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

 

From a gameplay perspective this would be horrible and unnecessarily restrictive as many mechanics would become redundant or have to be heavily modified.

What are you talking about? If anything it's a benefit, you are immune to being hit by cars because you already lost your legs long ago.

 

+ you always have the surprise perk since you're short and can't be spotted as easily.

 

Imagine in GTA Online 2 you sneak up to NPCs like this and just beat on them.

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chainedwarhead9

How about we return Johnny Klebitz but this time he is paralyzed from the neck down? I go the idea from this video.

 

 

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DownInThePMs
Posted (edited)

might work we had characters like that before

 

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oh wait he died i forgot

 

there's also harman smith in killer7 but you dont even get to play as him

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KGBeast

I think I'd take a paraplegic protagonist over a female one. 

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Schokoladeka

No....

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LCLegend

it would make the game extremely high stakes and give a level of intensity that the previous titles didn't have, i think it would add a lot to the plot and would be a very cool addition

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VictorVance1239
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Playable character? Nah, but a trusted friend who betrays you and reveals they really weren't disabled all along would be pretty cool. Much like the Dr Harrison Wells character on The Flash show.

 

If the character is playable though, Rockstar would probably make it so the wheel chair can be transformed into a vehicle that has the ability to launch missiles, and can also fly up into the sky.

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Mister Pink

Absolutely. If you don't want wheelchair guy you are just a bigoted, ableist nazi. 

 

Of course I want a wheelchair crime king-ping. What you think people in wheelchairs can't be crimelords? But to make it more inclusive can they be trans and we can refer to them as "they/them."  Also, more trans bathrooms in GTA.

 

Lets ban picking up prostitutes as well as it objectifies women and that's bad. We should put women on a pedestal and they can't be represented in their trying and perhaps controversial roles  just like men are as criminals in GTA because only men can do bad things. 

 

Also, more inclusion please. We need more black people in GTA and asians. Despite the black population being only 13% in the US, I want 50% representation! Despite game people being only about 10% of the population and probably less than that represented in crime gangs, I want at least 25% representation.

 

Basically, entertainment should only be about representing people and identity politics because I want live "my truth" and if you disagree with me your are transphobic, homophobic, ableist, fascist, that needs to be cancelled, and you need to be doxxed and your employer called to let them know you are a Nazi rapist. Well, you didn't rape anyone physically but words are VIOLENCE. You LITTERALLY raped me with your words if you disagree. 

 

 

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GRANDHEIST
37 minutes ago, Mister Pink said:
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Divergent Thinker - indeed

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billiejoearmstrong8
Posted (edited)
22 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

 

 

Basically, entertainment should only be about representing people and identity politics because I want live "my truth" 

 

 

Literally the argument made by straight white men who are triggered by the thought of playing as any character who doesn't mirror themselves even though they already get to 99% of the time. On this very site they come right out and say "I want to play as a straight man because I can identify with them" and freak out at the mere suggestion of anything different. It's blatantly obvious which "side" makes the biggest fuss about characters needing to represent them and it isn't the one you're going after.

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Midnight Hitman

Maybe Marwan Al-Shehhi will be the protagonist, along with Ziad Jarrah, Mohammed Atta and Hani Hanjour. The game will be set in Liberty City during the early 2000s. Character wheel will return.

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Mister Pink
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Literally the argument made by straight white men who are triggered by the thought of playing as any character who doesn't mirror themselves even though they already get to 99% of the time

I would like to see some posts where people legitimately argue that entertainment should only be about filling identity quotas/representing people because they want to live their truth. 

 

I was obviously over exaggerating in my satirical post. I think it's perfectly OK, if someone wants to play as someone they can identify with. There's nothing wrong with that, even if it's straight, white men or black, lesbian, mtf trans wheelchair athletes. Sure, they get to play as straight, white men more than a lesbian, black woman gets to play a lesbian black woman character. But that's because most gamers would be straight, white, men. It's just a majority thing. Just when I walk into a department store and I've to go up 2 floors past the women's clothing because the men's section isn't a store priority because women drive the market, and incidentally the store layout is in favour of the female shopper. That doesn't bother me in the slightest. That's just the way things are. 

 

And most of those straight white guys had no problem with making San Andreas one of the most successful games at the the time. And I'm sure if you did a poll here and I think it's been done all ready, that Franklin was a very favourable character, more than white Trevor. 

 

And many many fans bought and loved a DLC add-on called The Ballad of Gay Tony. I think GTA fans are some of the most open-minded, diverse, and inclusive fans ever. This is why GTA Forums, when forums are kind of a dead thing of the past, still thrives 20 years on. Because we have a very open and inclusive community. 

 

1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

On this very site they come right out and say "I want to play as a straight man because I can identify with them" and freak out at the mere suggestion of anything different.

Your wording makes it sound like there is something wrong or ashamed in men on this site expressing that they want to play as a straight white guy because they identify with them. Nobody here is seriously ridiculing some other minority for wanting to play some obscure minority combination of identity traits, except for me satirizing an obvious extremist that wants to ban some things in the game. 

 

1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

. It's blatantly obvious which "side" makes the biggest fuss about characters needing to represent them and it isn't the one you're going after.

Is it? I'm just satirizing a large twitter-like vocal minority in response to this obvious joke of a thread. It's humour. But you've gone and taken it seriously.  Come on man lol You think I was going to answer sincerely to a suggestion about a GTA protag in a wheelchair? No offence to my wheelchair homies but I imagine even wheelchair bound people would detest a GTA being forced to play as a guy in a wheelchair. In fact, I think it would be insulting to many of them. Life is hard enough living in wheelchair and now you force that sh*t on people in a game!? The only response was to come back with satirical ridicule. But there always one guy that that takes the joke seriously. 

 

My post was about

 

  • Banning things. 
  • Wanting trans bathrooms in a game where you don't even piss. 
  • Looking for racial quotas in the game
  • Thinking that identity politics trumps artistic merit. 
  • Words are LITTERAL violence (excessive abuse/misuse of the word "literal")
  • Calling people that disagree Nazi-rapists. 

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billiejoearmstrong8
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

I would like to see some posts where people legitimately argue that entertainment should only be about filling identity quotas/representing people because they want to live their truth. 

 

 

I don't really recommend clicking on this thread but plenty to be found lmao

 

2 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

 

 

Your wording makes it sound like there is something wrong or ashamed in men on this site expressing that they want to play as a straight white guy because they identify with them. Nobody here is seriously ridiculing some other minority for wanting to play some obscure minority combination of identity traits, except for me satirizing an obvious extremist that wants to ban some things in the game. 

 

 

Your wording made it sound like there's something wrong or ashamed in anyone other than straight white men expressing they'd like to play someone who reflects themselves. There's nothing wrong with either in and of itself but my point is it's the group who's already catered to who does it the most. People in favour of more diverse protagonist choices are usually more just about being open to the idea rather than demanding anything specific (from what I've seen on here at least), and don't act like a protagonist not reflecting them is the end of the world. On the other hand the already catered to group is more often defensive, hostile or derisive towards any more "out there" protagonist ideas and insists that the protagonist must be a certain way. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone in either group, most people are reasonable, but the most extreme views I've seen have been from the anti increased diversity crowd.

 

2 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

 

My post was about

 

  • Banning things. 
  • Wanting trans bathrooms in a game where you don't even piss. 
  • Looking for racial quotas in the game
  • Thinking that identity politics trumps artistic merit. 
  • Words are LITTERAL violence (excessive abuse/misuse of the word "literal")
  • Calling people that disagree Nazi-rapists. 

:D 

 

 And my post was about how people in favour of more diversity in games are mocked with extreme exaggerations even when no kind of remotely extreme views from that side have been expressed. When real views and reactions just as extreme as those exaggerations are more likely to be heard coming from those against the idea of more diversity. And the irony of complaints about identity politics and quotas that come from people who insist a character must have traits that they just so happen to share to be any good (eg being male or straight).

 

I know your post is a joke and I'm not attacking you, I just think the other side has done more to be worthy of mockery. 

 

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Mister Pink
8 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 And my post was about how people in favour of more diversity in games are mocked with extreme exaggerations even when no kind of remotely extreme views from that side have been expressed. When real views and reactions just as extreme as those exaggerations are more likely to be heard coming from those against the idea of more diversity. And the irony of complaints about identity politics and quotas that come from people who insist a character must have traits that they just so happen to share to be any good (eg being male or straight).

 

I know your post is a joke and I'm not attacking you, I just think the other side has done more to be worthy of mockery. 

 

OK, I'm with you. And it's not my intention to mock anyone that wants to experience a character outside of usual white guy character. My post was definitely just lampooning a total exaggeration. I think the wheelchair guy is a total extreme case and mocked it with an exaggeration. 

 

But I understand you and get where you are coming from.  I don't disagree with you. 

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billiejoearmstrong8
Just now, Mister Pink said:

OK, I'm with you. And it's not my intention to mock anyone that wants to experience a character outside of usual white guy character. My post was definitely just lampooning a total exaggeration. I think the wheelchair guy is a total extreme case and mocked it with an exaggeration. 

 

But I understand you and get where you are coming from.  I don't disagree with you. 

I see you weren't doing that now. I guess I don't see it as that extreme, like not necessarily a wheelchair bound protagonist specifically but I think the idea of a protagonist with a disability or health issue of some sort is interesting. There's been hints of it before with Johnny and his limp, other characters with disabilities, some mental health issues, protagonists who are getting on a bit in age, so who knows. I just like the idea of being open to all possibilities when it comes to a protagonist, especially in a series with top notch writers who can and do successfully think outside the box.

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potramen

Honestly a wheelchair bound protagonist would be a fresh and unique addition in a game with (hopefully) multiple protagonists. People say it would interfere with game mechanics but rockstar would obviously account for that. There can even be an unlockable postgame feature that gives them prosthetic legs.

 

I'm all for it.

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m3ssO

I feel like a one armed protag could be good. make it revenge against the guy who took it and make it an actual reason you cant use guns until a certain point where you get a prosthetic after gaining the money thru robberies 

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ChengizVlad09
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I always thought that the video gaming industry with slick rats in thousand dollar suits behind the wheel are the main problem, the issue laying in the big rotten core, indicating to the plethora of paradoxes we face inside the mentioned sphere today, such as the bs propaganda among numerous other things. But, I've come to realize that there's another thing that sucks really hard, which is the overwhelming part of the general public, the consumers and propaganda they fall for.

 

The lack of imagination some people have is unmatched and I'm certain it affects publishers and developers in a way that they can easily drop the bar to the lowest and still manage to go by with more than just fine as long as they follow some nonsense, ridic(k)ulous standards that serve no common sense, since no one would ever notice the main thing anymore, which is the gameplay for instance. Ideas such as; washing hands, defecating, urinating, opening the fridge doors and listen to this - applying the Covid-19 measures in game, Jesus friggin' Christ - as well as having the wheelchair bound protagonist is simply degrading, maybe especially towards the wheelchair bound people in this case. How on earth does any of these things suppose to improve the gameplay in any sense? What, we couldn't escape the police ' on foot ' anymore? Would they send the motorized wheelchair unit after us? How is that being leveled with the GTA nature and spirit? If someone is ' offended ' by not seeing a protagonist that exactly matches their life views or isn't being a member of the same social, ethnic or any other group they might belong to, is actually bounded in even more ways than the potential wheelchair protagonist. I might as well start being offended by not seeing myself as a protagonist, since I tend to relate to myself exclusively because I'm a f'cking psychopath.

 

What ever happened to video games man? Are they really becoming a platform to spread someone's bs political agenda? Does every single game needs to send some ultimate message about this or that and if that doesn't reach to your trans little club in a way you wanted it, than it sucks? Wtf? GTA was supposed to be a crime simulator of sorts and I really miss the simpler times when politicians had a big trouble coping with the big, bad ' virtual violence ' they deliberately portrayed as a problem that's making us killers and not the low wages they established through their criminal laws or offshore companies they run so successfully without paying any taxes, among dozen of other things. Now it's different. If violence isn't spread by a specific group, than that group feels denied, they want piece of that action for ' themselves' and it's just fine when they receive the 'treatment' for it, as if it was ever the case who is spreading it, not to mention it was always supposed to be fun regardless of this bs, to have the virtual violence with no REAL consequences.

 

If Rockstar was the same developer they used to be decade and more ago - which they aren't - they would approach to the problem like this, through the gameplay.

 

Alright, so we gave them the option to take advantage of the prostitutes, it was fun. Why wouldn't we give the virtual prostitutes - endangered species of the virtual gaming world - some options too? If the player wants to beat her with the bat, requesting money back guarantee, let's give her a knife to shank the sucker or a knuckleduster to bust his head, staggering him for a while, giving her a chance? Even better, if the player wins, she could activate some ' panic button ' and summon pimp's right hand devils coming to serve some street justice. We would have to 'man up' - pardon my straight, white male, oppressor expression - and go to a hand to hand combat or a melee fight against dozen of them as a 'punishment' - challenge. Game would even imply something like that. By using firearms, game would announce you as a pu$$y - not a female reproductive organ, but a a colloquial term for describing a coward -  and your 'respect' level drops. Best of all, we wouldn't even know that's possible to happen, game simply wouldn't warn us - like R* likes to explain everything all the time, every single little detail or action is followed by the boring lines of text - which tend to be a surprise factor.

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José_Sócrates

Hey, what about a protagonist that lost his arms and legs and is now blind? I am sure that would be a unique storytelling opportunity and that it would not hinder the gameplay at all. Rockstar would surely find a way to make that work, and we would surely still be able to steal cars, kill people, and explore the world just like how we used to. I mean, how hard could that be? We would have a unique protagonist!

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Lexiture
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Hell yes, online racing could be fun.

 

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MojoGamer
33 minutes ago, Lexiture said:

Hell yes, online racing could be fun.

 

Guy in black shirt definitely did it on purpose, that f*cker a bad lad

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Justin443321

As a sorta of vehicle yes but as a protagonist that would be a giant   

No.

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DexMacLeod

Knowing Rockstar, if they put a wheelchair in the game it'd be for one mission. One mission that essentially plays out like an extended tutorial on how to use a wheelchair. After the mission we never see a single wheelchair again.

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