George Floyd

[Tchuck]

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

t them defending themselves from very possible death

Yeah! They were only defending themselves! Floyd had it coming! How dare he threaten the officers with possible death via... via... a fake 20?

 

Poor coppers! Look at them, responding to being so threatened!

 

 

Yeah, too many bootlickers on this thread.

[Lonely-Martin]

Edit: I'm not here to argue and don't fully know all the facts. The 2 incidents aren't the same in my opinion, that's all.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[REVENGE777]

7 hours ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

Hating on all cops for the actions of some bads ones is f*cking stupid. There are a lot of good cops out there risking their lives to save people and they don't deserve to be attacked for doing their job.

The bad cops are let to run amuck while all the others are complacent. Until reform happens, I don’t give a f*ck if anyone thinks it’s stupid. 

[Clem Fandango]

12 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

It'll get to a point surely when they just stop wanting to do their jobs and any good cops will quit through fear of being mislabled or unjustly attacked which isn't helpful at all.

Good cops already quit because they live in terror of their "brothers in blue" who will bully ostracise and even kill people who speak out against their violence and criminality. Cops who aren't violent retards quit after a year or so, it's why every cop you meet is a mouth-breathing street thug.

[Detective Phelps]

19 hours ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

Don't forget he pointed the stun gun at the cops before they shot him. That was 100% justified imo. The cop didn't have his stun gun anymore to use non lethal force and if the cop was stunned the guy could easily have stolen his gun as well. This isn't racism the cop would have shot if the guy was white and he wasn't an unarmed innocent black guy that was killed for no reason he stole a stun gun a posed a threat to the cop. That cop was doing his job and should not have been fired.

The officer shot the suspect as he was running away. Now, tasers fire off 2 darts, both of the darts have to hit the target, and even then, clothes can block the dart from penetrating the skin. The suspect wasn't aiming at the officer when he fired the taser. He was running away and he was drunk. The chance that both darts would have hit the officer was extremely slim. The taser was fired and it missed, rendering it harmless as the taser would need to be reloaded. Instead of taking a step back, and making a plan to de-escalate the situation, he goes for his .40 and fires off three rounds, two of which hit the suspect in the back. Now, there were two officers at the scene. The officer who shot the suspect was the other officer, who still had his taser on his right hand. So to state that "The cop didn't have his stun gun anymore to use non lethal force" is incorrect.  He swapped the taser over to his left hand, reached for his handgun, then he dropped the taser, committing to the handgun. He could have went back to the car (knowing that the taser is harmless since 1- the suspect is drunk and can't aim for sh*t, and 2- the suspect almost certainly hasn't got a spare taser cartridge lying around), called for backup (while informing the backup that the suspect had already fired the taser) and arranged for a search. If the police had a further confrontation with him, they would have known that he can't fire that taser, and he could have been arrested (and if he was still resisting arrest, they could tase him ( if he was not complying with instructions to get on the ground, for example)). 

 

This was a split-second decision. Therefore, my problem is with the system. I watched the bodycam footage, and the officer acted rather professionally before the attempted arrest. It became a mess when the suspect ran off with the taser. The issue is that these cops have been trained to shoot (this is also an issue stemming from the police culture, in my opinion), not to de-escalate. IIRC he had around 9 hours of de-escalation training? The officers had the suspect's car, and his licence. They knew where he lived. If he escaped they could easily have found him, and arrested him, instead of shooting him like an animal. 

 

As for the officer, I don't believe that he was a complete dick. He wanted updates on the suspect's condition, and he was professional in the body cam footage (although, on reflection, that could have been out of fear for sake of his own career...). The problem here is the training that the police in the US (and, indeed, in many other nations) receive. Police training should be like law, medicine, and many other professions. Police trainees should be taught for a period of several years, before getting their badge. The current system isn't working. Not just for the people that the police are serving, but also for officers (such as Cariol Horne).

 

Anyway, I would just like to state this. If the officer is charged (as far as I am aware, that hasn't happened yet) the officer should have a fair trial, not a trial by mob. People want rapid change and action, and I understand that. However, time is important; rushing to charges can result in a mistrial (as Raavi has already pointed out).

 

I found the CCTV footage from the here rather useful.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Detective Phelps

[Zello]

On 6/14/2020 at 2:09 AM, SonofLosSantos said:

And I'm in Kentucky, we have our own issues far different from Seattle, but nice try.

This whole time I thought you were from Atlanta.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Zello

[GhettoJesus]

1 hour ago, Detective Phelps said:

This was a split-second decision. Therefore, my problem is with the system. I watched the bodycam footage, and the officer acted rather professionally before the attempted arrest. It became a mess when the suspect ran off with the taser. The issue is that these cops have been trained to shoot (this is also an issue stemming from the police culture, in my opinion), not to de-escalate. IIRC he had around 9 hours of de-escalation training? The officers had the suspect's car, and his licence. They knew where he lived. If he escaped they could easily have found him, and arrested him, instead of shooting him like an animal. 

 

As for the officer, I don't believe that he was a complete dick. He wanted updates on the suspect's condition, and he was professional in the body cam footage (although, on reflection, that could have been out of fear for sake of his own career...). The problem here is the training that the police in the US (and, indeed, in many other nations) receive. Police training should be like law, medicine, and many other professions. Police trainees should be taught for a period of several years, before getting their badge. The current system isn't working. Not just for the people that the police are serving, but also for officers (such as Cariol Horne).

I would make bodycam compulsory by federal law for officers as a step in the right direction and then, indeed, increase the training. I don't know how it is in the USA but here officers are required to be physically fit and that's about it I think. They should teach problem solving and law (this is pretty important because it feels like some officers don't even know what's legal and what's not) and whatnot. Although it's not the case here but  I also feel like a lot of these incidents stem from gun culture. If I were a police officer I would be extremely nervous about when will the suspect/civilian pull a gun on me. I think that's hard to work around and I don't think being cool in the head will help you that much in every case.

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

16 hours ago, Tchuck said:

Yeah! They were only defending themselves! Floyd had it coming! How dare he threaten the officers with possible death via... via... a fake 20?

 

Nice try but we were talking about the guy in Atlanta yesterday.

 

16 hours ago, Tchuck said:

Poor coppers! Look at them, responding to being so threatened!

 

That guy is probably just an a**hole.

 

16 hours ago, Tchuck said:

Yeah, too many bootlickers on this thread.

Get f*cked with that. I'm not going to hate on all cops and treat them like sh*t when there are good ones out there just doing their job protecting people.

 

1 hour ago, Detective Phelps said:

The taser was fired and it missed, rendering it harmless as the taser would need to be reloaded.

The other cop fired his taser as well before shooting him so his taser was useless as well. Also that cop ma not have realized the taser was fired.

 

The cops tried to use non leathal force but couldn't. The guy was drunk, he punched a cop and stole his taser. The cops could have just let him get away and tried to find him later but if he was going to assult a cop and steal his taser who knows what he would have done to innocent people if he did run away or he could have even turned around and overpowered the cop and stole his gun. That cop was protecting himself, his partner and innocent people and honestly I may have done the same thing if I was in that cops position. This imo had nothing to do with the colour of his skin except that if it was a white guy he shot he probably wouldn't have been fired and probably wouldn't be charced with murder if he is.

 

That cop that killed Floyd deserves his murder charge and should spend the rest of his life in prison. The cops that knocked over the old guy deserve to be charged with assult but I don't believe this cop deserves to be charged and maybe not even fired.

[Lonely-Martin]

11 hours ago, Clem Fandango said:

Good cops already quit because they live in terror of their "brothers in blue" who will bully ostracise and even kill people who speak out against their violence and criminality. Cops who aren't violent retards quit after a year or so, it's why every cop you meet is a mouth-breathing street thug.

Some, maybe. But I don't buy into this 'all cops are bad' bullsh*t. Sorry.

 

4 hours ago, GhettoJesus said:

I would make bodycam compulsory by federal law for officers as a step in the right direction and then, indeed, increase the training.

Totally agree. Reading the post you responded to say '9 hours of de-esculating training', if true, just isn't enough in my opinion. But cameras would help bring clarity and would surely help cops think about how they react knowing there is a clearer way to analyse their actions taken. Make it law and if in any way those cameras are tampered with or obstructed, that in itself becomes a crime too.

 

And I also agree that the gun culture is an issue in general. If I was in a country where guns/carrying guns can be legal, and sent into situations where it's possible or is a situation with a gun, I'd be very cautious and that is hard to train into some to know if they can handle such a situation calmly too. Training with the knowledge that the 'bad guy' in that training really isn't a 'real life threat' is not the same as being on a live situation where it could mean death in an instant.

 

More training is key, and people need to talk more rather than just point the finger and say because they're a cop, they're automatically bad. That gets no progress and undermines any good done.

3 hours ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

Nice try but we were talking about the guy in Atlanta yesterday.

This is a real problem too, too many jump to conclusions and assume the worst in people too much. I get that there is history on these things, but if people don't read/listen/try to understand other viewpoints too, there's already a problem brewing and that can make things worse than necessary.

 

3 hours ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

Get f*cked with that.

Like with that 'bootlicker' comment. There's no desire to talk, just insult and attack. Gets nowhere really and it's sad people that want change seem to show they're refusing dialogue at least. Daft really.

[REVENGE777]

I see more people bootlicking and defending the cops and opposed to talking about breonna Taylor, and George Floyd’s senselessly brutal unwarranted deaths. 

2 hours ago, Zello said:

This whole time I thought you were from Atlanta.

I grew up in Atlanta from about 2-12, but I’ve also lived in Nashville, and Chicago, but I was born and raised in Kentucky.

[Clem Fandango]

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Some, maybe. But I don't buy into this 'all cops are bad' bullsh*t. Sorry.

You're right: Not all cops are bad, but all cops are bastards.

[Lonely-Martin]

32 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

I see more people bootlicking and defending the cops and opposed to talking about breonna Taylor, and George Floyd’s senselessly brutal unwarranted deaths. 

Just because I don't share your all cops are bad stance doesn't mean I don't know what murder is and that some cops clearly are cunts. 

 

I don't support a blanket approach to all cops being bad. Some are, some aren't. Of course, if you wish to talk rather than just attack and call names and can show me that every police officer is bad or a c*nt, I am willing to change my opinion after learning facts of course.

 

There's no denying, from my POV at least, that those 2 cases you mention were clear murder and I resent you assuming otherwise to be honest. It's a time for discussion, not a time to unjustly attack.

 

12 minutes ago, Clem Fandango said:

You're right: Not all cops are bad, but all cops are bastards.

As above. I disagree, at least until you or others prove otherwise. Until then, I take each cop/incident on merit at the time.

 

To be clear, I'm not denying there aren't bad cops, but I also believe there's bad in everything, from lawyers to doctors, the army and so on. But there is good too.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Autospell fail.

[REVENGE777]

23 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

It's a time for discussion, not a time to unjustly attack.

What the f*ck is there to discuss!? Cops are power tripping pension jockeys that abuse their power, kill indiscriminately and have a toxic urban militia “us versus them” attitude, not even to mention more localized issues like their not so secret affiliations with the KKK and blatant coverups of murders and intended mistrials. 

They don’t give a f*ck about US. ME AND YOU. They. Don’t. Care. The “good” cops would stand by the wayside and watch the badge bullies beat your ass and wouldn’t even bat an eye. Don’t matter how much you stand under the cops cum shower catching every drop, they aren’t here to protect you, they’re here to enforce laws. I’ve personally seen with my own two eyes a WHITE MAN get shot in front of the police station and beat on the door begging for help. And guess what they did?? THEY TOLD HIM TO CALL 911!!

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, SonofLosSantos said:

What the f*ck is there to discuss!?

Reform and other ways the system can be more clear and fair, how to impliment change and so on.

 

Just going around angry and pointing fingers and hurling abuse or being crude to others that are actually with you but see things from a different perspective really doesn't help get progress. It just widens that 'us vs them' mentality.

 

It's a time to come together and it may mean taking a step back to listen to thoughts/ideas differently as it may bring new ideas to the table.

 

Although, as someone that has been heavily bullied at one time in my life, I can assure you that when a person is in what they feel is an impossible situation, it's not easy to get out and the fear is very genuine. Sure, some cops may be coerced or bullied into staying silent or complicit, but now is a very good time to be discussing how we can help those cops that may want to raise concerns or other issues. They need to be made to feel safe if they do expose corruption or racism and such. It needs care and understanding.

 

Just calling them all bad or saying anyone looking to support the good one's are 'taking cum showers' only helps a broken system stay broken, it only makes those bullied cops feel there's no point in trying as wherever they turn, they're attacked or hurt. And it only helps the bullies and corrupt keep their hold on any power they have. I want to be on your side and understand more, I am on your side in fact, but if you're just going to attack, I start dismissing any valid points you may have between the crude abuse. I'm not here for that bullsh*t and I'd appreciate if you spoke to me as a human, not a piece of sh*t.

 

Be reasonable, please! If at least with me/us here. You get no progress if you just want to silence me or insult me because I have a different mindset. Granted, I don't know what it truly feels like to be a black man in a bad situation, but I do have empathy and understanding and a desire to see more people treated fairly or properly. Change must happen, but it can't if it's like this, IMHO.

22 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

I’ve personally seen with my own two eyes a WHITE MAN get shot in front of the police station and beat on the door begging for help. And guess what they did?? THEY TOLD HIM TO CALL 911!!

And as you showed here, it's not all a race issue too. 

 

Wholesale change needs to happen, but it has to be done right.

[Clem Fandango]

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

As above. I disagree, at least until you or others prove otherwise. Until then, I take each cop/incident on merit at the time.

 

To be clear, I'm not denying there aren't bad cops, but I also believe there's bad in everything, from lawyers to doctors, the army and so on. But there is good too.

You disagree with a vague slogan that I didn't explain? The point is, when you join an organisation with pre-set goals and conventions, it doesn't matter what you individually think. If you arrest someone, you send them to prison to be raped and to lose their minds in solitary confinement. When you enforce property relations, you perpetuate homelessness, hunger and other deprivations. If you're against these things you wouldn't be a cop, all cops engage in these things. Every. Singe. One.

 

This is why I wish protests would move beyond street level brutality. You're lucky if a cop kills you during an arrest, so that you never experience the horrors of prison.

 

f*ck cops.

Edited June 15, 2020 by Clem Fandango

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Clem Fandango said:

You disagree with a vague slogan that I didn't explain? The point is, when you join an organisation with pre-set goals and conventions, it doesn't matter what you individually think. If you arrest someone, you send them to prison to be raped and to lose their minds in solitary confinement. When you enforce property relations, you perpetuate homelessness, hunger and other deprivations. If you're against these things you wouldn't be a cop, all cops are engage in these things. Every. Singe. One.

 

This is why I wish protests would move beyond street level brutality. You're lucky if a cop kills you during an arrest, so that you never experience the horrors of prison.

 

f*ck cops.

Oh, prisons need big changes too, IMHO. You won't see me argue that. It's a breeding den for crime in so many ways, including corrupt officials. But as many say about George Floyd, it seems prison worked as he was turning his life around. (Admittedly, I need to read more on that but I have read some basics where he'd changed his ways - Who's to say prison wasn't key in that).

 

But at the same token, what do you propose a cop does if someone is breaking the law? We can't let crime go unpunished too. And isn't it for the courts to decide a potential criminals fate rather than a cop on the streets?

 

Cops aren't judges, although as shown with some horrendous cases like George's, some do think they have that power of course, but so do some civilians by shooting others or seeking other revenge. George deserved his day in court, not to be killed by a bully/twat. But had the cops actually just arrested him, those cops wouldn't have been the one sentencing him.

 

But I agree, the whole system needs changes. So the key question is how? 

 

And at what point do you then start to trust it to not see all cops/prisons as bad? Going by your stance and SonsofLosSantos' it does feel as though nothing could change your opinion and therefore, any change is probably never going to be enough and you'll always see cops as bad. 

[Clem Fandango]

1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

And at what point do you then start to trust it to not see all cops/prisons as bad? Going by your stance and SonsofLosSantos' it does feel as though nothing could change your opinion and therefore, any change is probably never going to be enough and you'll always see cops as bad. 

We need entirely new institutions. New forms of detention to replace prisons, and new forms of law enforcement and social intervention to replace cops.

[Lonely-Martin]

Just now, Clem Fandango said:

We need entirely new institutions. New forms of detention to replace prisons, and new forms of law enforcement and social intervention to replace cops.

Absolutely. But it's how we get there that's the puzzle. Funding, training, understanding all races/religions and all other demographics, equality, diversity, compasion etc. The whole lot needs change, and it comes from the top. Having Trump being on Twitter with such a dividing approach really doesn't help things IMO.

 

It's certainly stuff that can't be done overnight though unfortunately. But things should be further along than what they are of course given history. Just I don't feel a violent or aggressive approach is ideal with some of what we've seen too. Looting and rioting is pushing the police into reacting instead of forcing them to reconsider things, if I make sense. Instead of them being pulled in to be trained better or spoken to etc, they're out there on the streets still with the same mindset or being backed into corners and forced to react in some cases with the leaders looking at that rather than the bigger issues, but at the same token, they can't just let the place burn and innocent victims lose businesses and so on. It's such a vicious cycle I feel.

 

But I am an outsider as I'm not American of course, so I don't propose to know it all or anything like that. I don't mean to sound preachy if I come across like so.

[GhettoJesus]

38 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Absolutely. But it's how we get there that's the puzzle. Funding, training, understanding all races/religions and all other demographics, equality, diversity, compasion etc. The whole lot needs change, and it comes from the top. Having Trump being on Twitter with such a dividing approach really doesn't help things IMO.

I think the problem goes all the way back to the two party system and not just Trump. I mean most of the time you will end up choosing bad but red and bad but blue. Well, that may not always be the case, but different parties struggle a lot in the USA. If America was a multiparty state with a parliament it would be a lot better. At least that's what I think, Americans can correct me if they feel otherwise.

[Lonely-Martin]

9 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said:

I think the problem goes all the way back to the two party system and not just Trump. I mean most of the time you will end up choosing bad but red and bad but blue. Well, that may not always be the case, but different parties struggle a lot in the USA. If America was a multiparty state with a parliament it would be a lot better. At least that's what I think, Americans can correct me if they feel otherwise.

Good point, and though I mentioned Trump, it's not like the country didn't have these issues before of course too, other leaders have had a chance to help things over the years, but it does feel very divided regarding Trump from over here though which I imagine doesn't help, especially if the alternative doesn't seem much better/different. 

 

Mind you it does feel a bit like that here in the UK, lol. It's either Labour or the Conservatives that tend to win out in the end, although we do have other parties involved though. Like you, I'm not fully sure of how things work in the States so can't really add much other tgan an outside perspective. 

[GhettoJesus]

5 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Mind you it does feel a bit like that here in the UK, lol. It's either Labour or the Conservatives that tend to win out in the end, although we do have other parties involved though. Like you, I'm not fully sure of how things work in the States so can't really add much other tgan an outside perspective. 

It's what it was like Hungary since around 2002 but maybe even 1998 and look where we ended up with it.

 

5 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Good point, and though I mentioned Trump, it's not like the country didn't have these issues before of course too, other leaders have had a chance to help things over the years, but it does feel very divided regarding Trump from over here though which I imagine doesn't help, especially if the alternative doesn't seem much better/different. 

Probably it's hard to do meaningful things with a congress that is around 50/50 I would imagine. I don't know if they need an absolute majority for meaningful laws.

Edited June 15, 2020 by GhettoJesus

[REVENGE777]

When one of us hurt, we all hurt. When blacks are attacked by a force outside of our own, we act in unity. We stick together and we have each other’s backs because nobody else will. Nobody else will defend us or protect us. Wether in the US or the UK. We are sympathetic to each other because we all suffer the same struggle and we all fight the same fight. Being black isn’t just the color of your skin it’s the spirit that you feel inside you. You wouldn’t understand unless you know.

[Lonely-Martin]

4 hours ago, SonofLosSantos said:

When one of us hurt, we all hurt. When blacks are attacked by a force outside of our own, we act in unity. We stick together and we have each other’s backs because nobody else will. Nobody else will defend us or protect us. Wether in the US or the UK. We are sympathetic to each other because we all suffer the same struggle and we all fight the same fight. Being black isn’t just the color of your skin it’s the spirit that you feel inside you. You wouldn’t understand unless you know.

Respectfully though, we white folk could say the same thing. When one of us is attacked by a force outside of our own, we act in unity and stick together.

 

But that is contributing to the racism and the divides. We're all human and watching another human get murdered so callously does and should see us all stick together. This 'us vs them' mentality I keep mentioning just needs to go away in general. The only way racism goes away is if white folk let black folk in, and black folk let white folk in too. It has to swing both ways. It just has to.

 

There's an awful lot of white/other race folk out there in full support of these issues that stand with you. Millions and millions do understand and do want to stand side by side with you or all other minorities, races or religions etc.

 

I believe it can only add to the divide and stop people trying to understand if it's all just blanketed as 'you wouldn't understand' or 'you can't know' as only helps push us apart on this, I strongly feel that. We all would have the same fear run through us as George must have had in those tragic last moments if in a similar position.

 

Yes, we need to stop it happening to black people more and more of course as there clearly is a problem with some scumbags that are racist or just abusing their power/authority. But white folk are very capable of understanding and empathy towards all races and know what murder is, and it's being shown by many all around the world. All prejudices need to stop. We need to unite against them and them only.

 

We need to just find a way to bring more communities together and not add to the divides. It shouldn't be black VS white, it should be black AND white together and when racism or an abuse of power is shown, we should all work together to see changes to stop further issues. It's got to change in many ways and by opening ourselves up to more acceptance, whatever race we are, and understanding that we all have to be equal then we can move forward and look to make more positive change.

 

United we win, divided we fail. Black, white, Asian, Jew, straight, gay or otherwise. Together. 

 

Let us in as we should let you.

[REVENGE777]

7 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Respectfully though, we white folk could say the same thing. When one of us is attacked by a force outside of our own, we act in unity and stick together.

 

But that is contributing to the racism and the divides. We're all human and watching another human get murdered so callously does and should see us all stick together. This 'us vs them' mentality I keep mentioning just needs to go away in general. The only way racism goes away is if white folk let black folk in, and black folk let white folk in too. It has to swing both ways. It just has to.

 

There's an awful lot of white/other race folk out there in full support of these issues that stand with you. Millions and millions do understand and do want to stand side by side with you or all other minorities, races or religions etc.

 

I believe it can only add to the divide and stop people trying to understand if it's all just blanketed as 'you wouldn't understand' or 'you can't know' as only helps push us apart on this, I strongly feel that. We all would have the same fear run through us as George must have had in those tragic last moments if in a similar position.

 

Yes, we need to stop it happening to black people more and more of course as there clearly is a problem with some scumbags that are racist or just abusing their power/authority. But white folk are very capable of understanding and empathy towards all races and know what murder is, and it's being shown by many all around the world. All prejudices need to stop. We need to unite against them and them only.

 

We need to just find a way to bring more communities together and not add to the divides. It shouldn't be black VS white, it should be black AND white together and when racism or an abuse of power is shown, we should all work together to see changes to stop further issues. It's got to change in many ways and by opening ourselves up to more acceptance, whatever race we are, and understanding that we all have to be equal then we can move forward and look to make more positive change.

 

United we win, divided we fail. Black, white, Asian, Jew, straight, gay or otherwise. Together. 

 

Let us in as we should let you.

 

Im multiracial, just to clarify, but I identify as black. I have nothing against any other race, as I come from a racially, culturally, an sexually diverse family... BUT, that doesn’t retract from my original point. There are sooo many people of all races in BLM and their allied groups. It’s not “us vs them” as in white vs black, it’s “us vs them” as in oppressor and oppressee.

Edited June 17, 2020 by SonofLosSantos

[Lonely-Martin]

2 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

Im multiracial, just to clarify, but I identify as black. I have nothing against any other race, as I come from a racially, culturally, an sexually diverse family... BUT, that doesn’t retract from my original point. There are sooo many people of all races in BLM and their allied groups. It’s not “us vs them” as in white vs black, it’s “us vs them” as in oppressor and oppressee.

I'm with ya there. Though IMO, it does come across as the former a bit when reading though to be fair and wanted to use that as a base of my points above about unity because we do see alot of people divided on so much and this is one area that really does need fixing, big time.

 

I truly hope this era proves to be where the big changes occour and this stuff starts to be relegated to the history books. Take care out there (including this poxy pandemic!).

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

On 6/15/2020 at 7:30 PM, Lonely-Martin said:

Like with that 'bootlicker' comment. There's no desire to talk, just insult and attack. Gets nowhere really and it's sad people that want change seem to show they're refusing dialogue at least. Daft really.

I'm happy to talk and be civil but when people are a**holes I become one too. 

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

23 hours ago, Lock n' Stock said:

 

This image pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

Couldn't agree more with her.

[REVENGE777]

15 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

I'm happy to talk and be civil but when people are a**holes I become one too. 

Tensions are high, people are angry, destruction is ensuing and we are TIRED. It might seem like a bunch of violent sh*t to you, but it’s emotional to me.

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

2 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

Tensions are high, people are angry, destruction is ensuing and we are TIRED. It might seem like a bunch of violent sh*t to you, but it’s emotional to me.

I don't agree with all the voilence and destruction but I do understand why some people are doing it. I know black people have been treated like sh*t for years and I'm betting it isn't just from the cops either. I also know there are a lot of racist cops that see black people as nothing but violent criminals but there are good cops that are being unfairly attacked. I don't like to see all cops being labeled as bad because of the bad one. Every race, religion and gender has good and bad people and I think it is unfair to label everyone the same because of the actions of a few all cops are bad, all black people are criminals etc. 

[REVENGE777]

1 hour ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

I don't agree with all the voilence and destruction but I do understand why some people are doing it. I know black people have been treated like sh*t for years and I'm betting it isn't just from the cops either. I also know there are a lot of racist cops that see black people as nothing but violent criminals but there are good cops that are being unfairly attacked. I don't like to see all cops being labeled as bad because of the bad one. Every race, religion and gender has good and bad people and I think it is unfair to label everyone the same because of the actions of a few all cops are bad, all black people are criminals etc. 

It’s not just the actions of one. Its the actions of MANY MANY MANY police officers, and the LACK OF ACTION by all the rest, and the failure of the justice system to prosecute these rouge cops. If not all cops are bad, then all the ones that aren’t bad are letting the bad ones get away with is. That officer knelt on that mans neck of 8 minutes while the other ones watched as George Floyd died. That’s what we’re dealing with here. Bastards or cowards.

 

 

 

PLEASE WATCH THIS. This expresses my sentiments more than anything I can conjure up on here.

Edited June 17, 2020 by SonofLosSantos