George Floyd

[sivispacem]

Might I take this opportunity to remind everyone here that racially derogatory slurs are an absolute no-no which warrants an instant and permanent ban. I don't care how long you've had your account or how prominent a member you think you are.

 

24 minutes ago, Korpi said:

If there is not such thing as "white guilt", then tell me what are all these worldwide "Black Lives Matter" protests based upon on?

Reducing police violence towards ethnic minorities and ensuring fair treatment within the criminal justice system regardless of ethnicity. The clue is in both the name and the context of their actions.

[Bartleby]

I would've just left it up, sivis. Let everyone see what a piece of garbage he is.

[Halal Cyborg]

Haven’t seen any racially derogatory slurs anywhere in this thread...unsure why that was necessary...it‘s almost like you’re threatening people that are posting stuff you don’t agree with. 

3 minutes ago, Bartleby said:

I would've just left it up, sivis. Let everyone see what a piece of garbage he is.

Oh if I missed something that was actually racist I apologise 

4 minutes ago, Bartleby said:

I would've just left it up, sivis. Let everyone see what a piece of garbage he is.

Do you call people garbage lightly? Seems a pretty dehumanising thing to call someone and it also destroys any chance of dialogue with said person.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Halal Cyborg

[Bartleby]

4 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Do you call people garbage lightly?

Nope. Using racial slurs are a pretty easy case in which it's safe to call someone a piece of garbage.

[Korpi]

Frankly, I am not surprised at all that someone would start flirting with the idea of someone (e.g. myself) being a racist/bigot/Neo-Nazi or whatever by not agreeing with the seemingly popular opinion

of "justice and equality for all the colored people all over the world" utopia by completely bypassing and ignoring my already clearly stated

statements of police brutality and racial discrimination being real issues in the world that we inhabit.

 

Sure, call me a "white supremacist" or "white nationalist" all you wish -- it is not going to change my personal speculations and conclusions about this issue at hand.

Just because I am not jumping into the white guilt/social justice bandwagon here, does not solidify any of the assumptions made by other people here about myself personally.

 

In the end it all just boils down to the subjective perspective of the individual at question when it comes to debating about anything -- we all have our own opinions. Just remember that, boys and girls.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Korpi

[Halal Cyborg]

2 minutes ago, Bartleby said:

Nope. Using racial slurs are a pretty easy case in which it's safe to call someone a piece of garbage.

I would agree but I didn’t see what was written.

[Zello]

5 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

I would agree but I didn’t see what was written.

He used the word "coon" which is pretty offensive at least here in the US look it up.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Zello

[Halal Cyborg]

1 minute ago, Zello said:

He used the word "coon" which is pretty offensive at least here in the US look it up.

I would agree that that is unacceptable @Korpithey weren’t talking about you.

[sivispacem]

49 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Haven’t seen any racially derogatory slurs anywhere in this thread.

That's because I've hidden the post.

 

49 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

it‘s almost like you’re threatening people that are posting stuff you don’t agree with. 

It would only constitute a "threat" if you intended on posting racial slurs.  But I love the fact your immediate response is to feign victimhood, really says a lot about you.

 

43 minutes ago, Korpi said:

Frankly, I am not surprised at all that someone would start flirting with the idea of someone (e.g. myself) being a racist/bigot/Neo-Nazi

Do you need a hat for your straw man?

 

43 minutes ago, Korpi said:

Sure, call me a "white supremacist" or "white nationalist" all you wish

I didn't; I merely made the point that portraying movements like BLM as a "witch-hunt against the white man" is the sort of narrative aggressively perpetuated by these groups. 

[Halal Cyborg]

new drinking game...drink everytime Sivispacem says straw man  

[sivispacem]

5 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

new drinking game...drink everytime Sivispacem says straw man  

Alternatively, you could just avoid misrepresenting other people's arguments.

Something you've been guilty of previously in this thread and that Korpi unequivocally is above.

 

At the end of the day I'm here to discuss in good faith, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people taking the time to respond to me and others within this thread to do the same.

[REVENGE777]

47 minutes ago, Korpi said:

Frankly, I am not surprised at all that someone would start flirting with the idea of someone (e.g. myself) being a racist by not agreeing with the seemingly popular opinion

of "justice and equality for all the colored people all over the world"

 

Not agreeing with that sentiment sounds pretty f*cking racist, no matter how unrealistic the idea. You don’t just “disagree” with racial justice and equality. That’s a disgusting attitude to have.

[Halal Cyborg]

9 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Alternatively, you could just avoid misrepresenting other people's arguments.

Something you've been guilty of previously in this thread and that Korpi unequivocally is above.

 

At the end of the day I'm here to discuss in good faith, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people taking the time to respond to me and others within this thread to do the same.

You’re here to patrol your forum and shut down with personal attacks that skate the fine line of acceptability anyone who says anything that challenges your world view.

 

You also ignored my report yesterday and I had to pm someone else to get a post removed about me that broke the rules of the forum...at least try to hide how incredibly biased you are.

 

I am guilty of nothing except having an opinion you find unacceptable and you’d jump at the chance to ban me if I broke any arbitrary rule...I have your number.

 

Convenient how you just misrepresented my post given I already apologised and acknowledged what was said was unacceptable isn’t it?

 

And I am not sorry to say but responding to posts with opinions is not “misrepresenting” anything and my above example illustrates that you’re the one doing that here.

 

You are clearly very educated and articulate and able to form arguments...maybe stick to that rather than personally attack people? You are meant to be an unbiased moderator after all.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Halal Cyborg

[REVENGE777]

13 minutes ago, Halal Cyborg said:

I am guilty of nothing except having an opinion you find unacceptable and you’d jump at the chance to ban me if I broke any arbitrary rule...I have your number.

I can’t express how funny it is that you think there’s some grand conspiracy against you to get you banned just because you have sh*tty opinions. Literally nobody is paying that much attention to you. No one cares, stop crying about your virtual “discrimination” lol

Edited June 14, 2020 by SonofLosSantos

[Halal Cyborg]

3 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

I can’t express how funny it is that you think there’s some grand conspiracy against you to get you banned just because you have sh*tty opinions. Literally nobody is paying that much attention to you. No one cares, stop crying about your virtual “discrimination” lol

I’m sorry why are you talking to me?

 

I thought it was clear you had no interest in having any kind of meaningful mutual learning experience with me when you made it clear you had no interest in finding any kind of concurrence with me.

 

I am glad I’ve gone from not being allowed an opinion to having a sh*tty one though...I suppose that’s progress for you  

[Korpi]

30 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

Not agreeing with that sentiment sounds pretty f*cking racist, no matter how unrealistic the idea. You don’t just “disagree” with racial justice and equality. That’s a disgusting attitude to have.

Traveled as much as I have, seeing and befriended people from so many different backgrounds of color etc. in my life I would call it ignorant of you to call me a racist.

 

It's also - like I stated before - such an utopistic and naively idealist, (yet noble though) view this "equality and justice for everyone in the world" -- such perfect ideal existence in human history will most likely will never be succeeded. 

 

It's no help being a naïve, romanticist platonist trying to save the world and rid it from all of it's problems, but rather a realist and accept the world in it's current state as it is. Racism and injustice against minorities etc. will most likely always exist in one form or another.

 

All of the "curb your white priviledge" talk wont help solve anything.

 

And also, no "Black Lives Matter" movement will get rid of it unfortunately either. 

 

Tough sh*t, right? 

All we can do is just to show at least a bit more compassion and understanding towards each other, but that is just about it.

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Korpi

[Halal Cyborg]

Forget it @Korpihe doesn’t think you’re allowed an opinion you’re wasting energy

[REVENGE777]

@Korpi I never said anything about white privilege, but it is s very real thing. I know that universal equality is an unrealistic idea. Nothing will ever be 100 percent perfect but nothing will ever change if people like you who are indifferent to the suffering of others don’t get with the program and try to do the right thing. You have the privilege of kicking your feet up and turning off the TV and being perfectly fine with ignoring these realities that people like me go out into the world and face everyday. 

 

Thats what pisses me off more than anything. I’ve experienced this my whole life. I know how it feels. I know what it’s like. Most of you don’t, and because you don’t, you’re indifferent  because it doesn’t affect you personally. 

Edited June 14, 2020 by SonofLosSantos

[sivispacem]

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

You’re here to...shut down with personal attacks...anyone who says anything that challenges your world view.

Nothing could be further from the truth; across the course of this thread I have consistently offered lengthy and coherent responses to other posters. It's a manifest untruth to suggest I've got any interest in "shutting down" contrary thought; in fact I would go as far as to counter that the only reason you seek to use this ad hominem against me is as a deflection tactic to try and handwave away your own abject failure to address the topic in any meaningful or coherent way and without obvious fallacy.

 

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

You also ignored my report yesterday and I had to pm someone else

Contrary to popular belief, I don't spend all my waking time on this forum. There's a dozen other moderators or administrators active here, do you consider it a personal insult to you that none of them dealt with your report in a manner you felt timely enough or is that accusation solely reserved for me?

 

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

I am guilty of nothing

I believe you're guilty of wilfully and intentionally misrepresenting other people's arguments, and I would also suggest that you're using false accusations as a shill gambit to try and discredit someone merely because you're unable to discuss coherently with them.

 

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Convenient how you just misrepresented my post given I already apologised

I did no such thing. And I would hardly call that an "apology"; it certainly doesn't constitute one for the borderline rant you directed at me beforehand.

I really don't know where this misplaced sense of grievance comes from. Until this thread the scope of my interactions with you basically comprises a single temporary ban I gave you back in 2016 for using the forum report system to call another member a twat.

 

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

And I am not sorry to say but responding to posts with opinions is not “misrepresenting” anything

Do you want me to go back across your previous contributions and highlight all the instances in which you've misrepresented the statements of other poster's? You clearly have s very short memory because it was only a couple of days ago you were falsely stating Sonoflossantos made claims about a genocide of blacks...

 

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

You are meant to be an unbiased moderator after all.

Being a moderator doesn't prohibit me from having an opinion, or indeed pointing out the flawed logic in other people's contributions. If you need some kind of "safe space" where your views aren't challenged by others then I suggest you go elsewhere.

 

1 hour ago, Korpi said:

It's no help being a naïve, romanticist platonist trying to save the world and rid it from all of it's problems, but rather a realist and accept the world in it's current state as it is. Racism and injustice against minorities etc. will most likely always exist in one form or another.

Isn't this just a nirvana fallacy though? The fact it's probably impossible to strike down racism for good doesn't make it any less worthwhile as an aspiration, and doesn't mean we shouldn't try to create more fair and just societies, does it?

[Bucky Calvera]

Oh damn Atlanta is on fire now. Some thug been shot over there.

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--politics/atlanta-police-shooting-death-rayshard-brooks-roils-city/7ju3cAcaLfolTbocqLfArN/

 

Apparently he's been fighting with cops, grabbed stun gun from one of the officers and then tried to take off.

Now they're burning Wendy's. Cause it's all that smug lil bitch's fault!

Pretty sure that restaurant employs people of color, so now more minority lives have been impacted negatively by a mob of half-witted anarchists.

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Bucky Calvera

[REVENGE777]

34 minutes ago, Bucky Calvera said:

Oh damn Atlanta is on fire now. Some thug been shot over there.

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--politics/atlanta-police-shooting-death-rayshard-brooks-roils-city/7ju3cAcaLfolTbocqLfArN/

 

Apparently he's been fighting with cops, grabbed stun gun from one of the officers and then tried to take off.

Now they're burning Wendy's. Cause it's all that smug lil bitch's fault!

Pretty sure that restaurant employs people of color, so now more minority lives have been impacted negatively by a mob of half-witted anarchists.

 

Man I’ve seen plenty of drunk white dudes wrestler with cops Way worse than that and come out unscathed. Id hardly consider some drunk 30 something to be a “thug.”  

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

8 minutes ago, Bucky Calvera said:

Apparently he's been fighting with cops, grabbed stun gun from one of the officers and then tried to take off.

 

Don't forget he pointed the stun gun at the cops before they shot him. That was 100% justified imo. The cop didn't have his stun gun anymore to use non lethal force and if the cop was stunned the guy could easily have stolen his gun as well. This isn't racism the cop would have shot if the guy was white and he wasn't an unarmed innocent black guy that was killed for no reason he stole a stun gun a posed a threat to the cop. That cop was doing his job and should not have been fired.

 

I'm all for equailty but I'm feeling sorry for the cops now. They are getting fired just for doing their jobs if it is against a black man and in Australia they are being attacked for no reason. In Australia there was a cop just doing his job arresting someone when some woman went up and hit him on the head, another cop was arresting someone accused of a knifepoint robbery when a woman went up and started pushing him and tried to bite him and then there was a cop that was attacked by 5 teenagers and had his phone stolen when he went to break up a fight. Some cops are bad but this is getting way out of hand now.

[REVENGE777]

12 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

Don't forget he pointed the stun gun at the cops before they shot him. That was 100% justified imo. The cop didn't have his stun gun anymore to use non lethal force and if the cop was stunned the guy could easily have stolen his gun as well. This isn't racism the cop would have shot if the guy was white and he wasn't an unarmed innocent black guy that was killed for no reason he stole a stun gun a posed a threat to the cop. That cop was doing his job and should not have been fired.

 

I'm all for equailty but I'm feeling sorry for the cops now. They are getting fired just for doing their jobs if it is against a black man and in Australia they are being attacked for no reason. In Australia there was a cop just doing his job arresting someone when some woman went up and hit him on the head, another cop was arresting someone accused of a knifepoint robbery when a woman went up and started pushing him and tried to bite him and then there was a cop that was attacked by 5 teenagers and had his phone stolen when he went to break up a fight. Some cops are bad but this is getting way out of hand now.

The cops just have it so hard killing people all day bless them.

[Lonely-Martin]

5 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

The cops just have it so hard killing people all day bless them.

For some, it's not easy on the mind to be backed into a corner and have to resort to taking a life though. Much like war, many go in thinking they can handle it but when they do have to kill, it proves distressing.

 

The one that killed George has no excuses, but this one above mentioned really doesn't sound race related at all, but it seems that people are going to take it that way unfortunately and contribute to harming any good causes.

[Raavi]

It seems since the tragedy with Floyd there has almost been a 180 as far as 'accountability' is concerned. Perceived improprieties that have been caught on video (emphasis on this) immediately result in terminations and charges. Whilst this might sound like a good thing at first the problem with this is is that the charges that are being drawn up, are being done so hastily, sometimes overnight - which leads to A. charges where the law simply does not fit the facts, charges that are merely drawn up to appease the public with consequentially likely mistrials and acquittals to follow. 

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

6 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

The cops just have it so hard killing people all day bless them.

Hating on all cops for the actions of some bads ones is f*cking stupid. There are a lot of good cops out there risking their lives to save people and they don't deserve to be attacked for doing their job.

[Lonely-Martin]

4 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

Hating on all cops for the actions of some bads ones is f*cking stupid. There are a lot of good cops out there risking their lives to save people and they don't deserve to be attacked for doing their job.

It'll get to a point surely when they just stop wanting to do their jobs and any good cops will quit through fear of being mislabled or unjustly attacked which isn't helpful at all.

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

13 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

It'll get to a point surely when they just stop wanting to do their jobs and any good cops will quit through fear of being mislabled or unjustly attacked which isn't helpful at all.

No way I would want to be a cop now.

[Lonely-Martin]

3 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

No way I would want to be a cop now.

Stuff that. I get grumpy if I can't do my job without interference, let alone something like that under such pressure. 

[Halal Cyborg]

26 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

No way I would want to be a cop now.

Totally thankless job and even more so when you’ve got people angry at them defending themselves from very possible death who in turn wouldn’t shed a tear if a cop was killed...hypocrites

Edited June 14, 2020 by Halal Cyborg