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Raavi
1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

imo DNC screwed Bernie twice now

Regardless of the merits of this statement, which are highly debatable in and of themselves - how exactly does this relate to the notion of Biden being the worse "evil"?  

 

1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

Ol' Joseph is quite creepy as well, talking about kids running their hands through his leg hairs, coming up from behind and sniffing on women..

Ah the tired old "creepy uncle Joe" meme. Lets ignore the fact that the actual parents of the children actually seem to applaud it and see it for what it is. Let's also ignore the long long line of sexual misconduct allegations and downright bizarre behaviour on Trump's part with his own daughter.

 

1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

As aforementioned he is a co-author of that crime bill too. Something he was very proud of at that time, doesn't seem to mention it nowadays.

The 80's and 90's were a different time in criminal justice politics. A rising crime rate, the early era of the disastrous war on drugs all marred by the doctrine of "nothing works".  The bill passed 95–4 in the senate with overwhelming bipartisan support. Quite a few of the "Yea's" remain senators to today. The notion of it being wholly attributable to Biden is silly and historical revisionism. 

 

1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

At least Trump is coherent.

Do you watch his speeches with earplugs in? 

 

1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

Something is not right with that guy's mental health, and it shows during just about every appearance that he makes.

I agree. Have you seen the guy try to drink water? Walk down a ramp? Hell, even try to stand up straight? Something is obviously awry with him. 

 

1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

In a dimension where logic supersedes emotions. 

Funny you should say that when the vast majority of what you are actually saying is purely based on emotion and your own biases.

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sivispacem
3 hours ago, Bucky Calvera said:

At least Trump is coherent. 

This has to be some sort of joke. He's basically a living manifestation of Word Soup. An ordinary punter speaking like him in public would get sectioned on the spot.

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Lock n' Stock
2 minutes ago, Raavi said:

Still not as incoherent as Biden imo. Again though,  I don’t think much of EITHER candidates.

 

But if people want to vote for Trump, why stop them? Same with Biden. You can go on about their pros and cons all day, but when it comes down to it, you vote for what your instinct tells you to.

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Raavi
3 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

Still not as incoherent as Biden imo. Again though,  I don’t think much of EITHER candidates.

One at least knows when to shut up and listen to experts that actually know what they are talking about. 

 

 

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sivispacem
1 hour ago, Lock n' Stock said:

 you vote for what your instinct tells you to.

Sadly most people's instinct is sh*t. 

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Smith John
6 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Sadly most people's instinct is sh*t. 

Something tells me this weren't your sentiments on the morning of 04/11/08, or the morning of 06/11/12.

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sivispacem
15 hours ago, Smith John said:

Something tells me this weren't your sentiments on the morning of 04/11/08, or the morning of 06/11/12.

I never said my instinct wasn't sh*t. That's why I like to examine things rationally and empirically. 

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Lock n' Stock

So the full bodycam video has been released.

 

 

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D T
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The only new bit of information here is the pigf*ck drew a firearm on him before he had any reason to do so, further confirming what an absolute c*nt the officer is. The mental gymnastics conservatives are performing to proclaim this justifies his murder is astoundingly stupid.

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Bucky Calvera

If only that dude listened to cops and comply. Kneeling on his neck once he was handcuffed was unnecessary. But he put himself into that position, should've listened to his friends and stayed in the back of a police car.

Also, I found it astounding how many people took the side of a criminal scumbag. That fool is pretty much a black jesus now.

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Raavi

Let's put it this way, that footage isn't doing the prosecution's case any favours. At most I can see the main guy getting convicted albeit for a lesser charge. The case against the other three is dead in the water. I also do not understand the decision to not immediately release this bodycam footage. It would have spared a lot of people a world of hurt.

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SonofLosSantos
5 hours ago, Bucky Calvera said:

 I found it astounding how many people took the side of a criminal scumbag. That fool is pretty much a black jesus now.

Because he was murdered in broad daylight by the people there sworn to protect and serve us. You obviously haven’t been paying attention to anything anybody has been saying.  I don’t care what he did, what happened to him was WRONG. if that happened to a 40 year old white man in a suit you’d be sick to your stomach, but for black people, it’s just another Tuesday.

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Bucky Calvera

Oh for f*ck's sake. Police are sworn to protect and serve us from the scumbags like him. Multiple armed robbery convictions, including pointing a gun at a pregnant woman, multiple drug possession charges, disorderly conduct etc., Stop race baiting, I don't give a single f*ck about his skin color, if he was a white dude he'd still be a criminal scumbag!

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SonofLosSantos
1 hour ago, Bucky Calvera said:

Oh for f*ck's sake. Police are sworn to protect and serve us from the scumbags like him. Multiple armed robbery convictions, including pointing a gun at a pregnant woman, multiple drug possession charges, disorderly conduct etc., Stop race baiting, I don't give a single f*ck about his skin color, if he was a white dude he'd still be a criminal scumbag!

The police aren’t the judge jury or not executioner. It doesn’t matter what he did because In that moment, they didn’t know him from a hole in the wall. they had no knowledge of his criminal history and they killed him in the street. It’s not race baiting, it’s the reality of the world we live in. if we were concerned about rehabilitation instead of damnation maybe we’d have less repeat offenders but that’s a different story.

 

the point is, none of that sh*t you said was relevant when he was killed. He was just another black man on the street. And they treated him like one.

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Bucky Calvera
48 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

The police aren’t the judge jury or not executioner. It doesn’t matter what he did because In that moment, they didn’t know him from a hole in the wall. they had no knowledge of his criminal history and they killed him in the street. It’s not race baiting, it’s the reality of the world we live in. if we were concerned about rehabilitation instead of damnation maybe we’d have less repeat offenders but that’s a different story.

 

the point is, none of that sh*t you said was relevant when he was killed. He was just another black man on the street. And they treated him like one.

As I've pointed out already multiple times, him being killed, already handcuffed face down, that was unnecessary.
But they did recognized him from his previous scuffles with the law, so they knew he was a criminal.
If it were up to me, anyone who've threatened a pregnant woman should be shot right on the spot.
You know who Tony Timpa is?
He is the white dude who was killed by cops in a very similar manner as George in 2016 (except he wasn't a convicted felon, and did not resist arrest). No protests, no outrage from such morally upright people such as yourself. Why? He was white.
There is no evidence of George Floyd being racially profiled and killed. If anything that recent bodycam footage shows that he was given plenty of chance to comply with the police, and he chose not to.

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Lock n' Stock

Regardless of whenever you think he was completely innocent or not, it's clear that the media didn't tell the whole story at the beginning. Why was this footage hidden until now? 

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D T
2 hours ago, Lock n' Stock said:

Regardless of whenever you think he was completely innocent or not, it's clear that the media didn't tell the whole story at the beginning. Why was this footage hidden until now? 

The media didn't have access to the bodycam footage to begin with. There's absolutely nothing more they could've reported on at that point in time. I do love that you're implying they forged some kind of grand conspiracy to obfuscate the truth though, when in reality nothing about this new video negates the fact that a man was murdered in cold blood.

 

16 hours ago, Bucky Calvera said:

But he put himself into that position, should've listened to his friends and stayed in the back of a police car.

Also, I found it astounding how many people took the side of a criminal scumbag.

You find it astounding that others felt empathy after watching a humanbeing plead for his life while being slowly asphyxiated for 8 minutes? There's actually a pretty good article on this you might find informative my dude.

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SonofLosSantos
8 hours ago, Bucky Calvera said:

As I've pointed out already multiple times, him being killed, already handcuffed face down, that was unnecessary.
But they did recognized him from his previous scuffles with the law, so they knew he was a criminal.
If it were up to me, anyone who've threatened a pregnant woman should be shot right on the spot.
You know who Tony Timpa is?
He is the white dude who was killed by cops in a very similar manner as George in 2016 (except he wasn't a convicted felon, and did not resist arrest). No protests, no outrage from such morally upright people such as yourself. Why? He was white.
There is no evidence of George Floyd being racially profiled and killed. If anything that recent bodycam footage shows that he was given plenty of chance to comply with the police, and he chose not to.

He’s from Texas, he’s not even from Minneapolis so how could they recognize him? Using whataboutisms to dismiss police brutality is pretty low brow.

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Lock n' Stock
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22 hours ago, D T said:

The media didn't have access to the bodycam footage to begin with. There's absolutely nothing more they could've reported on at that point in time. I do love that you're implying they forged some kind of grand conspiracy to obfuscate the truth though, when in reality nothing about this new video negates the fact that a man was murdered in cold blood.

You want to know who else was murdered in cold blood?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8515507/Young-mother-24-shot-dead-fianc-saying-lives-matter.html

https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/police-identify-16-year-old-boy-killed-during-chop-shooting/

 

And believe me, I was as sympathetic as anyone when I saw the video of Floyd being kneeled on, but after his past crimes were revealed, that sympathy went down. Sorry if that makes me a bad person, but it's hard for me to feel sympathy for someone who harms another individual (imagine yourself in his robbery victim's shoes for a second, seeing the man who stuck a gun in her face getting martyred nationwide). Again, I don't approve of how the cops behaved, nor do I feel that Floyd deserved to die the way he did, but it is what it is.

 

On the other hand, I'd gladly support someone like Breonna Taylor's killers getting punished.

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sivispacem
30 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

You want to know who else was murdered in cold blood?

Nice whataboutism.

 

32 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

but after his past crimes were revealed, that sympathy went down. 

Does his previous criminal history have any bearing on the circumstances of his death? I didn't realise having a criminal conviction justified police brutality.

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Lock n' Stock
1 hour ago, sivispacem said:

I didn't realise having a criminal conviction justified police brutality.

I never said it did. I'm saying though that he hardly deserves to be considered a martyr.

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sivispacem
2 hours ago, Lock n' Stock said:

I'm saying though that he hardly deserves to be considered a martyr.

I don't think you understanding the meaning of the word "martyr". Nothing about it precluded one from being one because they're a bit shifty, or have a criminal past.

Plenty of actual religious martyrs were god-awful people; genocidal mass-murderers rapists and slavers.

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Yokelsson
3 hours ago, sivispacem said:

I don't think you understanding the meaning of the word "martyr". Nothing about it precluded one from being one because they're a bit shifty, or have a criminal past.

Plenty of actual religious martyrs were god-awful people; genocidal mass-murderers rapists and slavers.

Hey, don't forget that awesome conservative logic! I mean, why couldn't Jesus just follow the laws? If he didn't do anything wrong, he wouldn't get crucified.

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Smith John

That Muhammad bloke was a bit of a cock too!

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Mister Pink
55 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

“That is reparations,” Atkins said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

 

This is so flawed, it's really, it's insane. So, people think stealing and damaging property from otherwise hard-working, innocent people is reparations for things they most likely had nothing to do it. That's like me going over to England, robbing and looting stores because they occupied and oppressed Ireland and created unrest and murder and let us die in famine because our foods were shipped to Britain. 

 

I had this conversation with my friend who happens to be black and he says I should be outraged at the British like BLM are at white America. Needless to say, I disagreed with him and told him so. He tried to make the point that English people could be living some sort of privilege gained from the occupation of Ireland for all those years. I told him that was weak argument. And completely immeasurable. Only, very few people in high places would have got gains. And so many years ago. That's completely removed from my life and the average joe living in Britain. And if I kept that mentality, how would we progress as a society. 

 

I'm not saying black people can't be disadvantaged in the US. I'm certainly not denying their pain and anguish. I'm disagreeing with the looters logic and reasoning. I agree with the movement on some level, just not the methods. All types of people are disadvantaged in the U.S. And all those with businesses aren't all establishment people been around for years. Many are immigrants such as the Irish who never had slaves or had any perceivable advantage from being white. About 33 million people in the US claim their heritage to be Irish. And God knows how many people from places all over the world trace their lineage back to places unconnected with slave trade etc. Not to mention the millions of people that arrived after slavery was abolished in the U.S. These millions are the same people these looters claim are getting reparations from by looting. 

 

And look, my data is thrown together. But that's my point. How do you measure, who owes what for reparations? And then to forcibly receive reparations with violence, theft and damage, indiscriminately against people and then claim "these businesses are insured." The lack of empathy these looters have to the lives they are damaging, while simultaneously trying to get people to empathize with them is a double standard and is an oxymoron. 

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