Poker

[STNeish]

Had an... interesting... night of poker.  I only played 5 hands.  You'll see why.

 

First hand, I was dealt three of a kind, all 6s.  Lost to a straight.

Second hand, I had a flush in diamonds, Ace high.  Lost to a straight flush.

Third hand, I had a pair of 4s.  Played it anyway, lost to a pair of 5s.

Fourth hand, I had a 6 high straight.  Lost to a 7 high straight.

Fifth hand, I had three 4s.  Lost to a Full house.

 

So, I gave up.  This is the first time I've had hands capable of winning, and other players who were betting sensibly.  I mean, they worked UP to the max bet, and in each case, I went in... because I should have won.  Three of a kind?  Ace high flush? Straight?  Three of a kind AGAIN?  Lost them ALL??  Baffling.

[kcole4001]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a cheat program out there for poker.

Why someone would bother to cheat just to "win" such a relatively small amount of money I don't understand, but then the cheaters don't exactly represent the pinnacle of intellect, do they?

 

Maybe I'm paranoid about it, but when I play poker I now always move the camera so that my character is blocking the view of my cards, and only look at them very quickly immediately after they're dealt.

My luck is nowhere near as bad as yours, sometimes I win a few hands, sometimes not, so I don't know if that has any effect, but I have had similar runs of just stupidly bad luck, and also seen that the max bet players win far too often on the last card as if they knew from the start what the flop would be.

[imburgundy]

These are just my opinions as someone who has played a lot of poker in real life and in game. Someone on the first page said something about one spot at the table seems to get all the good hands and in a way I do believe that to be true. Over lots of time playing poker in this game my strategy has evolved to keep jumping tables until I get dealt a good hand because that usually means I'll get a run of good hole cards and/or good luck on the community cards. I do also believe though that the spot changes through out the session and its up to the player to understand when to ride the wave or jump off but it definitely does seem like a pronounced pattern in luck that is not based in randomness but more of a simulation glitch carried over from SP. These waves of luck are just way too consistent and since I know I'm not cheating I feel like the theory has truth because I've noticed when I am the lucky seat and noticed when others are on the lucky seat. You almost can't lose at some points and in other times where the cards laugh in your face. Ultimately though that is what poker is in real life.

 

Poker in real life is inherently streaky because poker is mostly psychological. If you've been winning and flipping over good hands people are more likely to believe you have something so your bluffs are more believable. RDO poker suffers greatly from the $5 of fake money max bet. Its so meaningless that bluffing is nearly out of the equation. It's strictly situational so best not to even try until you have gained information on players play style. Whenever hole cards are flipped over you need to recall all the betting in the hand with the knowledge of what they had. Most players show up at a table and max bet every time and you need to identify those people quickly but some people do want to play. I will check/call even with a pair of 2's just to gain the information of what you played with because that's way more valuable than $5 in RDO. If you're max betting and calling everything and you always flip over garbage then you're not going to earn any table credibility.

 

If you want a crash course in poker watch the all time poker classic Rounders. The very first line of dialogue is "Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half-hour at the table, then you are the sucker"

 

I think the correct strategy in RDO poker is to see as many flops as possible for as cheap as possible. The worst hand to get pre-flop is a 7-2 off suit as it's neither suited or 2 cards to any straight but the flop could come 2-2-2 giving you 4 of kind, a nearly unbeatable hand. Very unlikely but possible. Same thing goes for the best hand pre-flop A-A. They are dangerous because they create a false sense of security when the flop could come 7-8-9 suited where the Aces could easily blind you to the danger of that flop. Anything can happen on the flop so unless it's max bet it's worth it to see the flop. If you do connect on the flop meaning you have any kind straight/flush/full house that's a made hand and you're immediately max bet. If you lose with any of those hands that's just poker and for $5 fake money well worth it but best not let someone sneak in and catch something higher on the turn(4th card) or the river(5th card). Make them pay to beat you which again that $5 fake money doesn't illicit too much fear. It's better to win a small pot then lose a big one. If the flop comes and it's not possible for someone to have a made hand then if you have 3 of a kind it's also most likely safe to max bet especially when you have 2 of those 3 in your hand. If you only have a pair or 2 pair then its all situational how you proceed they're not typically safe hands but good enough to win if you've gained enough knowledge of how someone is playing.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

[Carlin_Stanhope]

It's a card game, so mostly it does come down to luck of the draw. But to say there is no skill involved. Learn how to slow play hands. Watch how the tables going, is it a lot of pre flop max betting aka lottery play? If so find a new table. Figure out the fish, slow play and trap. Might have to expand your common playable hands. If your playing tight and never catching a good hand pre flop. Not saying I kill it at the tables either. Im a sucker for suited connectors. Sometimes it's just not your day.

[Buddy Hightower]

I played today for the first time in a few months. Played about 10 hands and turned my $25 into $67. Fold bad hands pre-flop and aggressively play the hands you don't fold.

Do not bluff because no one folds... just value bet the living sh*t out of them.

[Krommer]

Reading this again, I might try the poker in RDO now!!!

 

1) I know nothing about poker at all, in real life (no idea what a "straight flush" would be, no idea what "flop/pre-flop" would be,  etc., so I'd only be aware of having a "high card" or "good pair." )

I assume I'd know if I REALLY had nothing, like not even a pair/three/four of a kind, so I'd probably know when to fold.

 

2) people keep mentioning no skill is involved!!!! That would EXACTLY be me! 

 

 

3) I'm up to $24,000 again, in game, with nothing to really spend it on; it sounds like max bets are pretty low, so what the hey?

 

4) Sounds like a good way to "cool down" after Harriet sprays me, or if the daily is "24 hours without killing an animal." 

 

 

It sounds like this is nothing better than a way to waste some time, as I mention in #4, because unlike in real life everyone is a "whale" (very rich, as far

as $ for the max value of poker in game.) 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Krommer

[StyxTx]

On 6/26/2020 at 1:47 AM, STNeish said:

Had an... interesting... night of poker.  I only played 5 hands.  You'll see why.

 

First hand, I was dealt three of a kind, all 6s.  Lost to a straight.

Second hand, I had a flush in diamonds, Ace high.  Lost to a straight flush.

Third hand, I had a pair of 4s.  Played it anyway, lost to a pair of 5s.

Fourth hand, I had a 6 high straight.  Lost to a 7 high straight.

Fifth hand, I had three 4s.  Lost to a Full house.

 

So, I gave up.  This is the first time I've had hands capable of winning, and other players who were betting sensibly.  I mean, they worked UP to the max bet, and in each case, I went in... because I should have won.  Three of a kind?  Ace high flush? Straight?  Three of a kind AGAIN?  Lost them ALL??  Baffling.

That's called Poker griefing.

[kcole4001]

6 hours ago, Krommer said:

Reading this again, I might try the poker in RDO now!!!

 

1) I know nothing about poker at all, in real life (no idea what a "straight flush" would be, no idea what "flop/pre-flop" would be,  etc., so I'd only be aware of having a "high card" or "good pair." )

I assume I'd know if I REALLY had nothing, like not even a pair/three/four of a kind, so I'd probably know when to fold.

 

2) people keep mentioning no skill is involved!!!! That would EXACTLY be me! 

 

 

3) I'm up to $24,000 again, in game, with nothing to really spend it on; it sounds like max bets are pretty low, so what the hey?

 

4) Sounds like a good way to "cool down" after Harriet sprays me, or if the daily is "24 hours without killing an animal." 

 

 

It sounds like this is nothing better than a way to waste some time, as I mention in #4, because unlike in real life everyone is a "whale" (very rich, as far

as $ for the max value of poker in game.) 

 

 

There are numerous basic tutorials on youtube, they are posted with the intent of selling an advanced course, but for our game purposes the basic is all you need, as the advanced one seems to focus on counting and percentages which don't apply.

It's actually a pretty simple game.

 

It's always been a decent way to wind down a session and kill time.

Edited December 23, 2020 by kcole4001

[STNeish]

Another interesting poker experience.  Played only ONE hand, and you'll see why.

 

I was dealt a Jack and three of Clubs.

Flop was a 2, 4 and Ace.

Since I had a 1, 2, 3 and 4, I figured I'd play on the possibility of a straight.

Next card was Jack.  Last card was a 3.  So, I had two pair, Jacks and threes... right?

Nope.  When I put my cards down at the end of the hand, my three had magically transformed into a red seven, and I lost to a guy with a pair of Aces.

 

So, I quit.  Not sure if it was a bug or hack, but I give up on trying to play the poker here.

[DrKrankenstein]

fyi: with poker, not all players are real.

       watch the belt buckles to spot the npc. the one usually winning lol

[Buddy Hightower]

On 11/30/2021 at 8:21 AM, DrKrankenstein said:

fyi: with poker, not all players are real.

       watch the belt buckles to spot the npc. the one usually winning lol

BS

[DrKrankenstein]

7 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said:

BS

lol you lost to an npc didn't ya.

 

go ahead, test it out. 

[Buddy Hightower]

2 hours ago, DrKrankenstein said:

lol you lost to an npc didn't ya.

 

go ahead, test it out. 

I rarely play poker in RDO because of the stupid $5 limit per hand, but I find it hard to believe that there are NPCs playing.

[FRIDA_KAHLO]

I have a hard time believing it, particularly since no partner is always available, though, if they want to fool us that is sure an easy detail to fake periodically. Why do you think so?

[DrKrankenstein]

dont take my word for it, go and find out.

notice how the tables always full? starts off with 3 and fills up.

you can clearly spot them by their wardrobe/facial features.

belt buckle is the first giveaway.

 

@Buddy Hightower if you rarely play it, then what makes you so sure? i've been here since beta.and play a lot of poker online. 

some are legit players, but theres always a npc in there. or two.

have a go at it. see if you can win. rofl

[AmyStone]

I have a hard time believing I'm playing any real players (apart from those who sit down at my table). Quite often my timer runs down while I make a decision. All the other players make their decisions at a consistent speed. Maybe you can share some videos and point out the differences.

[FRIDA_KAHLO]

Until further any evidence surfaced, I will take the opposite position. They are real players. Don't believe me? Look at the buckles.

Edited December 21, 2021 by FRIDA_KAHLO

[AmyStone]

18 hours ago, FRIDA_KAHLO said:

Until further any evidence surfaced, I will take the opposite position. They are real players. Don't believe me? Look at the buckles.

 

Screenshots?

[DrKrankenstein]

21 hours ago, FRIDA_KAHLO said:

Until further any evidence surfaced, I will take the opposite position. They are real players. Don't believe me? Look at the buckles.

in todays world, ignorance is bliss.  you don't want to see what's behind the curtains?

[parazight]

On 11/30/2021 at 8:09 AM, workingsilence said:

Any activity in which you can win money easily will become a thrill. In order to become addicted, an individual must usually find success early on. This is what happened to me. In 2004, I started with $100.00 and quickly turned it into $1000.00. I was hooked. Over the course of the next six years, I put in about $100.00 per month to try to emulate that early success. It didn't happen. That's why I turned to play online lol. I like it better this way, to be honest. Right now, I'm training here 홀덤 to enter an online tournament.

The forum software here is capable of allowing posters to report offensive posts and advertising spam, which this obviously is.  

 

On 12/20/2021 at 4:50 PM, DrKrankenstein said:

dont take my word for it, go and find out.

notice how the tables always full? starts off with 3 and fills up.

you can clearly spot them by their wardrobe/facial features.

belt buckle is the first giveaway.

I haven't noticed what you pointed out, but I'll definitely look for it now! 

I'll keep in mind that new players don't always have belt buckles and the matchmaking system is not going to put you on a table with only one other person.

 

[AmyStone]

On 12/21/2021 at 3:50 PM, FRIDA_KAHLO said:

Until further any evidence surfaced, I will take the opposite position. They are real players. Don't believe me? Look at the buckles.

 

So a belt buckle and your imagination is enough to make you believe this? So how do you explain all of the other players (apart from the ones you sit down at the table with) taking a consistent amount of time to make their move?

[parazight]

5 hours ago, AmyStone said:

So how do you explain all of the other players (apart from the ones you sit down at the table with) taking a consistent amount of time to make their move?

This is a good question.  Pro players try to take the same amount of time to 'make decisions' because not doing so is a tell.  Phil Ivey is a master at this.  He'll take the same amount of time to decide to fold on an off-suited 2+5 opener as he will a complicated turn card.  Also, you can lose all of your money in 2 minutes and it's still just 25 bucks.  Personally, I make my plays immediately because the money is pretty insignificant.

[FRIDA_KAHLO]

8 hours ago, AmyStone said:

So a belt buckle and your imagination is enough to make you believe this? So how do you explain all of the other players (apart from the ones you sit down at the table with) taking a consistent amount of time to make their move?

 

I have no observation on belt buckles - just making light of the similar argument that seems to be looking at them can reveal they are NPCs.

 

So anyway I do have one thing to point out, on my PC it is still communicating UDP and with the same number of IPs as players at the table, consistently, this morning. Similar to here, speaking of screenshots,

 

 

May vary per platform 

 

In my experience on the PC player response times are all over the place. I often get ahead at some point, rarely fail to quit while ahead, usually leave with similar as I started with or occasionally approaching zero. 

 

Personaly I usually would know how high I would call or not or to raise in advance, but introduce delay to create impressions sometimes. Fun times just wish there was more games like horseshoes again especially "Go fish!"

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by FRIDA_KAHLO

[kcole4001]

2 hours ago, parazight said:

This is a good question.  Pro players try to take the same amount of time to 'make decisions' because not doing so is a tell.  Phil Ivey is a master at this.  He'll take the same amount of time to decide to fold on an off-suited 2+5 opener as he will a complicated turn card.  Also, you can lose all of your money in 2 minutes and it's still just 25 bucks.  Personally, I make my plays immediately because the money is pretty insignificant.

I always make my bets immediately, as it's not that hard to figure out what to do and waiting for the others gives me loads of time to plan my action.

 

I have played with 1 or 2 players, even from the outset of the match, and often 1 or 2 join, then later 1 will leave.

Sure, some may have been bots, but more often that not their clothes will indicate they're a player.

 

[FRIDA_KAHLO]

 

Tonight there seemed to be one IP short of the players at the table. But it gets more interesting. I left valentine with 3 players and the suspect NPC and fast travel to blackwater and join the poker there to compare. It was 3 of the same characters and the same 3 IP addresses, the 4th other player was different. In the first game the apparent NPC (?) had no gun belt that I could see, but in the second game they had on a wide black gunbelt with a big buckle. So I didn't see a tell there really but strongly suspecting it was the NPC

 

But now I admit it takes a just a touch of the magic out of it thinking the other players at the table are superimposed in other saloons even moreso than that some being not real players