A question for those who will randomly shoot people.

[YusufAmirsBF]

Because some people are like: "oh, a video game with guns! I mUsT sHoOt!". You can imagine that kids with attention span of 10 seconds aren't in this game to learn it's mechanics, ability cards, crafting and ways to make money. For them everything is PvP, from CoD and PUBG to RDO and FO76. There are other reasons too and people already pointed them, but this is a huge one imo. Making everything PvP is part of what ruined GTAO free roam.

[kcole4001]

On 5/21/2020 at 9:52 AM, 1898 said:

 

 

Rabid griefers probably aren't type that would post on message boards. Bet they have a low opinion and plenty of names for all of us that do.

They do occasionally, especially when these threads come up in the GTA section, and they are often trolls using the typical troll tactics to one-up others.

Their excuses are always the same: 'the game told me to do it'.

They are in the minority in regards to player numbers, any session is proof of that, yet they make more noise than normal people.

The vast majority of players are happy to just do their thing.

 

 

[Enchilada]

There are 2 play styles: Offensive and defensive. Pretty self explanatory, isn’t it? 
 

yes, you can still get shot, but with a little experience, you know what you’re capable of. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Enchilada
Typo

[DentureDynamite]

I ran into one of these rabid griefing morons last night, less than a minute of Fast Traveling to Tumbleweed to collect Desert Sage for dailies.

 

Not only were they griefing, but they were clearly using a "mod" menu complete with aimbot and the "aim and teleport" hack (player aims gun at location and presses fire, and the mod menu teleports you there--YT vids).

[Direwrath]

1 hour ago, Enchilada said:

There are 2 play styles: Offensive and defensive. Pretty self explanatory, isn’t it? 
 

yes, you can still get shot, but with a little experience, you know what you’re capable of. 

Obvious of course, but what drives a player to just want to randomly shoot at another player minding their business in the first place? Isn't it just easier to leave them alone? I know my ability, and I am quite capable of fending for myself, but why should I have to? Why is it my responsibility to comply with a player intent on intruding on my game play? It isn't about whether the mechanics of the game allow you to do it, but rather that just because they do, it still doesn't give anyone the right to push their game onto yours in the first place. Maybe it's my maturity level that gives me pause when it comes to my interactions with other players. Maybe I see them as not simply computer generated models sharing the same digital space that I am, rather I see that other player as a person just like me. I live by the statement that I will not do unto others what I would not want done to me. Unless, of course they annoy me, lol, then my better intentions are gone and it's war.

 

I am pretty sure that everyone here is aware that the mechanics of the game are, well to be blunt, warped as hell. They (R*) want player interaction and they know that in order to sell the game (and the pretty gold bars) they have to cater to the "let's get the big guns and shoot everything crowd". But they also have to cater to the long standing players who are going to invest themselves into the actual game with their time and hard work or they would simply stop playing. Unfortunately they are giving the "young guns" more leeway to screw the game up and not giving the rest of the player base any cause to feel at ease in the world, thus the frustration. Once again, if there were other options I would bet the players would jump on them. And that is what R* does not want, they are really screwing up with a game that has so much possibility.

Edited May 22, 2020 by Direwrath

[STNeish]

So, here's an example of what I mean.

 

I'm doing my Trader resupply mission.  I go to Limpany and get the tanning wagon (is it even possible to get it out of there without damaging it?), and start driving down the road.  My camp is literally 20 seconds away from Limpany.  However, as I come around a bend, there's a player on the road.  I start to steer right to go past him, and he tosses a fire bomb on the road.  So, I steer around it.  So, he starts shooting me and the wagon explodes, mission failed.

 

So, what did he get from that?  There's no xp.  No loot.  Nothing gained from it.  In fact, if anything it COST him, in fire bomb and ammo costs.

 

Makes no sense to me.

 

Oh, and 5 minutes later, 2 headed skeletons start appearing in my camp, explosions, the usual.  Had to change sessions.

Edited May 23, 2020 by STNeish

[Blendi-]

bored to death? desperate irl? just human scumbags lots of reasons

[Buddy Hightower]

On 5/22/2020 at 3:39 PM, Direwrath said:

Obvious of course, but what drives a player to just want to randomly shoot at another player minding their business in the first place? Isn't it just easier to leave them alone? I know my ability, and I am quite capable of fending for myself, but why should I have to? Why is it my responsibility to comply with a player intent on intruding on my game play? It isn't about whether the mechanics of the game allow you to do it, but rather that just because they do, it still doesn't give anyone the right to push their game onto yours in the first place. Maybe it's my maturity level that gives me pause when it comes to my interactions with other players. Maybe I see them as not simply computer generated models sharing the same digital space that I am, rather I see that other player as a person just like me. I live by the statement that I will not do unto others what I would not want done to me. Unless, of course they annoy me, lol, then my better intentions are gone and it's war.

 

I am pretty sure that everyone here is aware that the mechanics of the game are, well to be blunt, warped as hell. They (R*) want player interaction and they know that in order to sell the game (and the pretty gold bars) they have to cater to the "let's get the big guns and shoot everything crowd". But they also have to cater to the long standing players who are going to invest themselves into the actual game with their time and hard work or they would simply stop playing. Unfortunately they are giving the "young guns" more leeway to screw the game up and not giving the rest of the player base any cause to feel at ease in the world, thus the frustration. Once again, if there were other options I would bet the players would jump on them. And that is what R* does not want, they are really screwing up with a game that has so much possibility.

 

40 minutes ago, STNeish said:

So, here's an example of what I mean.

 

I'm doing my Trader resupply mission.  I go to Limpany and get the tanning wagon (is it even possible to get it out of there without damaging it?), and start driving down the road.  My camp is literally 20 seconds away from Limpany.  However, as I come around a bend, there's a player on the road.  I start to steer right to go past him, and he tosses a fire bomb on the road.  So, I steer around it.  So, he starts shooting me and the wagon explodes, mission failed.

 

So, what did he get from that?  There's no xp.  No loot.  Nothing gained from it.  In fact, if anything it COST him, in fire bomb and ammo costs.

 

Makes no sense to me.

 

Oh, and 5 minutes later, 2 headed skeletons start appearing in my camp, explosions, the usual.  Had to change sessions.

but still, why does anyone need a "reason" to shot you, I mean - why not?

 

I have mentioned in this thread and others that I don't like PvP and that I would love to have PVE sessions, however - why does anyone need a reason to shot you. Does the game not invite PvP activity at any time? 

I guess what I am trying to say is that no one "needs a reason" to shot you in the first place and I could simply ask you something similar: "Why does it bother you if someone shots you?" "What do you lose?" "You don't lose XP or money, do you?"

Edited May 23, 2020 by Buddy Hightower

[Direwrath]

5 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

 

but still, why does anyone need a "reason" to shot you, I mean - why not?

 

I have mentioned in this thread and others that I don't like PvP and that I would love to have PVE sessions, however - why does anyone need a reason to shot you. Does the game not invite PvP activity at any time? 

I guess what I am trying to say is that no one "needs a reason" to shot you in the first place and I could simply ask you something similar: "Why does it bother you if someone shots you?" "What do you lose?" "You don't lose XP or money, do you?"

Well, this is a good question. So we will look at this in a better light, if I ride right on by you and go about my own business am I interfering in anything that you are doing? Is my presence going to force you into a situation that you are not looking for? Am I going to frustrate you or upset you because I am walking by to pick up a collectible before I disappear? Or are you just going to ignore my presence cautiously and continue to play the game you want to play because I didn't do a thing to effect it. You see, me being there was in no way hampering your ability to enjoy the game.

The other side of this, if I am to just randomly shoot your horse with dynamite as you ride by because I need to show you I'm a big shot in my mind. Or like stated above, I blow up your wagon to build up the lack of esteem I seem to have in myself. Then I am infecting your game like a virus, changing things to force you to either comply with my demands or making you leave the server. Which, in how this game is bugged, is a frustration all in it's own making.

 

You see, the pve player is not going to be a bother therefore their presence is not going to infiltrate your game. A trigger happy griefer player on the other hand can be an intruder.

For me the "reason" is the important part. There should always be a good reason why you are willing to interfere with another player, now that's thinking in a mature manner. This game gives players many options that invited them to do so, that's what those missions are actually for ya know. It's quite clear, unreasonable pvp attacks, or rather griefing attempts are not justifiable whether a player wants to pull out the "well they give us guns" excuse or my favorite "It's the wild, wild, west y'all! So yeehaww and let loose the bullets".

 

So if a player who engages in that kind of type of behavior feels upset that people are calling them out and mocking them, well, they better just sit back and take it because in the end they are the one choosing to be that way. Don't blame the peaceful players for being upset when they are not the ones choosing to interfere with other players.

Lol, like I've said before, online is like a playground. You have the older kids hanging out by the swings listening to their music and not messing with anyone (pve) and you have the bratty 8 year old bullies who have to go around upsetting the rest of the kids to gain some sort of fulfillment in their lives (griefers). Unfortunately we don't have any playground monitors there to grab little bully Timmy by the cuff of his shirt and drag him back into the classroom, where he cannot bother anyone else and well, he gets a sense of having his day ruined as well.

 

Long story short, one player lets others be and is in no way a bother. The other type of player, well to put it bluntly, gets in the way. I blame the ones who make the wrong choice. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Direwrath

[STNeish]

And again.  6 hours of trying to get a cargo together, I'm making my delivery run and two jerks ride up and destroy my wagon.  They get nothing out of it and ruin my whole day's work. 

 

I should say, it was a moonshine cargo.  If it had been a Trader delivery, I could quit the session and it would reset the mission, but with moonshine, it ends the mission when the wagon is destroyed, so it's unrecoverable.

 

Again, if there was something they were getting out of it, I would understand.  They attack the wagon to steal the moonshine?  Ok, that's fair game.  They attack me to get a bounty, perhaps turn me in to the law as a moonshiner?  Ok, that would be fair game too.  They even get some xp from it, I'd be fine with it.  Annoyed, but fine.  Part of the game.

 

But doing it just to screw me over?  To me, that's just griefing.  I mean, it's about PURPOSE.  In the former cases, the reason to do it is to gain some benefit.  In the latter, it's just to cause another player grief, and that's the very definition of griefing.  I was even in defensive mode.

 

Not that there's anything to be done about it, I suppose.  As someone else said, some people just want to watch the world burn.  What a shame.

Edited May 24, 2020 by STNeish

[STNeish]

1 hour ago, STNeish said:

And again.  6 hours of trying to get a cargo together, I'm making my delivery run and two jerks ride up and destroy my wagon.  They get nothing out of it and ruin my whole day's work. 

 

I should say, it was a moonshine cargo.  If it had been a Trader delivery, I could quit the session and it would reset the mission, but with moonshine, it ends the mission when the wagon is destroyed, so it's unrecoverable.

 

Again, if there was something they were getting out of it, I would understand.  They attack the wagon to steal the moonshine?  Ok, that's fair game.  They attack me to get a bounty, perhaps turn me in to the law as a moonshiner?  Ok, that would be fair game too.  They even get some xp from it, I'd be fine with it.  Annoyed, but fine.  Part of the game.

 

But doing it just to screw me over?  To me, that's just griefing.  I mean, it's about PURPOSE.  In the former cases, the reason to do it is to gain some benefit.  In the latter, it's just to cause another player grief, and that's the very definition of griefing.  I was even in defensive mode.

 

Not that there's anything to be done about it, I suppose.  As someone else said, some people just want to watch the world burn.  What a shame.

Actually, while I was thinking about it, it occurred to me how short sighted they were blowing up the moonshine wagon like that.  What they SHOULD have done is ride up and say to me, "Posse up with us so we can get a share of the payout."  I would have grouped up and we would ALL have been paid.  If I'd said no, they THEN could have threatened to blow up the wagon.

 

 

[Hiply]

3 minutes ago, STNeish said:

Actually, while I was thinking about it, it occurred to me how short sighted they were blowing up the moonshine wagon like that.  What they SHOULD have done is ride up and say to me, "Posse up with us so we can get a share of the payout."  I would have grouped up and we would ALL have been paid.  If I'd said no, they THEN could have threatened to blow up the wagon.

 

 

Makes sense, armed extortion makes a lot more sense in the context of the Outlaw Life than "Hur Hur, let's blow up his wagon - I'll bet that pisses him off!"  But we all know it's not about anything resembling what would make sense in the context of the setting; sh*t like that is griefing, pure and simple.

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Hiply

[Buddy Hightower]

On 5/23/2020 at 9:19 PM, Direwrath said:

Well, this is a good question. So we will look at this in a better light, if I ride right on by you and go about my own business am I interfering in anything that you are doing? Is my presence going to force you into a situation that you are not looking for? Am I going to frustrate you or upset you because I am walking by to pick up a collectible before I disappear? Or are you just going to ignore my presence cautiously and continue to play the game you want to play because I didn't do a thing to effect it. You see, me being there was in no way hampering your ability to enjoy the game.

The other side of this, if I am to just randomly shoot your horse with dynamite as you ride by because I need to show you I'm a big shot in my mind. Or like stated above, I blow up your wagon to build up the lack of esteem I seem to have in myself. Then I am infecting your game like a virus, changing things to force you to either comply with my demands or making you leave the server. Which, in how this game is bugged, is a frustration all in it's own making.

 

You see, the pve player is not going to be a bother therefore their presence is not going to infiltrate your game. A trigger happy griefer player on the other hand can be an intruder.

For me the "reason" is the important part. There should always be a good reason why you are willing to interfere with another player, now that's thinking in a mature manner. This game gives players many options that invited them to do so, that's what those missions are actually for ya know. It's quite clear, unreasonable pvp attacks, or rather griefing attempts are not justifiable whether a player wants to pull out the "well they give us guns" excuse or my favorite "It's the wild, wild, west y'all! So yeehaww and let loose the bullets".

 

So if a player who engages in that kind of type of behavior feels upset that people are calling them out and mocking them, well, they better just sit back and take it because in the end they are the one choosing to be that way. Don't blame the peaceful players for being upset when they are not the ones choosing to interfere with other players.

Lol, like I've said before, online is like a playground. You have the older kids hanging out by the swings listening to their music and not messing with anyone (pve) and you have the bratty 8 year old bullies who have to go around upsetting the rest of the kids to gain some sort of fulfillment in their lives (griefers). Unfortunately we don't have any playground monitors there to grab little bully Timmy by the cuff of his shirt and drag him back into the classroom, where he cannot bother anyone else and well, he gets a sense of having his day ruined as well.

 

Long story short, one player lets others be and is in no way a bother. The other type of player, well to put it bluntly, gets in the way. I blame the ones who make the wrong choice. 

You never even addressed the question here. I'll try again.  

• Why does it bother you if someone shots you, or interrupts your activity in any way?
• Do you lose XP?
• Do you lose money?

One question that the PvE crowd always asks is "Why do they do this? What do they gain? Do they gain XP, do they gain money?

So it's a fair question I think.... Why not? 

[Leftover Pizza]

6 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said:

You never even addressed the question here. I'll try again.  

• Why does it bother you if someone shots you, or interrupts your activity in any way?
• Do you lose XP?
• Do you lose money?

One question that the PvE crowd always asks is "Why do they do this? What do they gain? Do they gain XP, do they gain money?

So it's a fair question I think.... Why not? 

Same as in real life. You could shoot someone, without taking their money. You don’t gain anything, but it’s not a normal type of behaviour. Killing someone else is a bad thing. 
Not everyone is playing this game to act out a dumbed down version of a human being without morals. Those can be recognised by being in Defensive Mode. Chances of those players are working their own schedule and don’t like interruptions is quite high. Any dickhead, preferably dressed in theater cowboy clothing with FP shooter game moves (not skills) and itchy trigger fingers, are nothing but a hassle. Useless hassles and, as said before, outlaws didn’t act that way. Not even in spaghetti westerns. 
 

[C.E.Bolton]

I find it funny when someone attempts to grief you, and cant kill you and get butt sore when you kill them... so then i ask the griefer... why you mad bro? did you lose xp? did you lose money? 

[Hiply]

1 hour ago, Buddy Hightower said:

You never even addressed the question here. I'll try again.  

• Why does it bother you if someone shots you, or interrupts your activity in any way?
• Do you lose XP?
• Do you lose money?

One question that the PvE crowd always asks is "Why do they do this? What do they gain? Do they gain XP, do they gain money?

So it's a fair question I think.... Why not? 

Simply put; it could easily have resulted in the loss of both XP and money.

If  - for instance - you're on a moonshine delivery and some asshat comes by with a stick of dynamite, blows up your wagon, and then finishes it off by killing you then:
 

1. You lost XP
2. You lost money
3. They gained absolutely nothing but the "pleasure" of screwing with you

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by Hiply

[Krommer]

I've only had people mess with me lately if the game somehow incited them to do so:

 

Had it happen the last few times for:

 

Long distance delivery with wagon.

 

Distance traveled with wagon.

 

dailies.

 

The irony is that when I do those for the daily, I'll do them when I have very low supplies; the supplies are so low that I WOULD blow them up and use the horse, but both of those require the wagon. Then I've had a couple few people, on different occasions while trying to complete those, come after me after it says "rival traders can attack."

 

I was prepared, though I use my trusty bolt rifle, High Velocity, for npcs. But at the point where it says other players, I switch to explosive now. So it warns you basically when a player is coming to swipe your supplies, with me also having popped a potent health before that.

 

So one time a guy is coming, for my incredibly obviously tiny wagon with maybe one supply bag, and he is shooting (so the game warns me) and I easily explosive round him. Then he comes BACK, doing the same thing and I do it again (suppose he expected different results??? )

 

Another day, same thing happened. This time the guy only made it close to me the first time, don't think he could find me the next with the crazy twisty wagon path to the directive. The very small wagon is actually pretty fast, as well as being able to turn fairly quick.

 

If it is just do a long distance delivery daily (so no wagon requirement), I do that when my goods bar is low and dynamite my wagon, then throw the one supply bag on the horse. I move so fast then I've never had a player try to get the goods.

 

I've actually had people HELP me with the moonshiner wagon, which made me paranoid. They rode past me and killed the revenuer guys

 

Generally, with the job stuff to do, people attack me WAY less than when I was first playing Red Dead Online (before defensive was even around.) It is rare, seeming to be only something that possibly happens with new naive players (like the people who came after my tiny wagons   )

 

 

I could also be having less trouble because I'm out in the boonies, in Hennington's Stead, rather than near a PVP Central place like Valentine. Generally you are on a path to a "shack" by the river, or something.

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by Krommer

[TheOriginalGunslinger]

1 hour ago, C.E.Bolton said:

I find it funny when someone attempts to grief you, and cant kill you and get butt sore when you kill them...

I absolutely loved this in the first Red Dead Redemption multiplayer. Scrubs with their high-powered and Mauser pistols making an ass out of themselves and failing miserably only to be met with a bullet to the head from a Bolt Action Rifle. I miss taunting those players with the playable character quotes with the press of a button too.

Edited May 25, 2020 by TheOriginalGunslinger

[Lonely-Martin]

2 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

You never even addressed the question here. I'll try again.  

• Why does it bother you if someone shots you, or interrupts your activity in any way?
• Do you lose XP?
• Do you lose money?

One question that the PvE crowd always asks is "Why do they do this? What do they gain? Do they gain XP, do they gain money?

So it's a fair question I think.... Why not? 

I'm definitely going to have to remember this bollocks come award season. Easily the dumbest nonsense I've read this year!

 

Time, money, Xp, progress in general. Pick any one off that list, lol.

 

A few examples...

 

I'm selling via a near sale with defensive on. I lose all of the above just so some wanker can get a stiffy.

 

I'm fishing peacefully and get attacked by a posse of plebs, I lose time after parleying to go back to the task I wanted to do but some limpdicked peckerwoods now force me to move away and look elsewhere now I've got them knowing where the easy pickings are.

 

I'm about to dig up a collectible and get pounced on, leaves me empty handed and now need to wait for them to piss off so I can return to collect what so was there for in the first place.

 

The list goes on. Time is the main thing I/we lose having to f*ck about with pussies looking to simply disturb my game in a way I've made clear by using defensive that I have no interest in. Players looking to force their will and playstyle on me/anyone is just petty and the crap you mentioned is easily the most asinine crap I've read yet. Genuinely. (And that comes from someone that has been involved in many 'griefer' threads full of excuses, lol).

Edited May 25, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
I re-read that and see it's a bit of an immature way to respond with all the swearing and such. But, with immature questions, come immature responses, lol. Ahh well. ;)

[Krommer]

18 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Time, money, Xp, progress in general. Pick any one off that list, lol.

 

18 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I'm about to dig up a collectible and get pounced on, leaves me empty handed and now need to wait for them to piss off so I can return to collect what so was there for in the first place.

 

Yes, that.

 

These things happen once in a blue moon, to me now, as I said above. People seem busy doing their own thing, at least on the Xbox One (PC players still might have it seem like the "Wild West"   )

 

The griefing is mainly about the time loss, maybe that is why they do it?

I remember early in World of Warcraft, where the naive game maker Blizzard said, "PVP with low levels is pointless, so people won't find it worth doing." Ha, ha ha ha, ha, oh you Blizzard!  

Then so many posts on the official forums over the years, "I'm level 10, why are these people camping me, they gain NOTHING???"

 

Because they can and they know it bothers you/interrupts your play, that is why.

[STNeish]

3 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

You never even addressed the question here. I'll try again.  

• Why does it bother you if someone shots you, or interrupts your activity in any way?
• Do you lose XP?
• Do you lose money?

One question that the PvE crowd always asks is "Why do they do this? What do they gain? Do they gain XP, do they gain money?

So it's a fair question I think.... Why not? 

I lost 6 hours of work gathering materials for my shine delivery.  I lost the cash invested in the creation and sale of the shine.  I lost the xp I would have gained from the delivery.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Krommer said:

 

 

Yes, that.

 

These things happen once in a blue moon, to me now, as I said above. People seem busy doing their own thing, at least on the Xbox One (PC players still might have it seem like the "Wild West"   )

 

The griefing is mainly about the time loss, maybe that is why they do it?

I remember early in World of Warcraft, where the naive game maker Blizzard said, "PVP with low levels is pointless, so people won't find it worth doing." Ha, ha ha ha, ha, oh you Blizzard!  

Then so many posts on the official forums over the years, "I'm level 10, why are these people camping me, they gain NOTHING???"

 

Because they can and they know it bothers you/interrupts your play, that is why.

Yeah. Slowing money/Xp progress is usually just the icing on the cake. Just knowing they're stopping another play how they want and waste their time is all the incentive griefers need.

 

Crazy how some do, but it's all on R*/developers for enabling it so. And after the freedom and pandering R* did for griefing in GTA:O, it's a foregone conclusion that many will want to continue their ways in the new game, especially with bait like 'can be killed on defensive' making it that much more tempting. Many still try to kill me when I'm passive in GTA:O, lol.

[netnow66]

3 hours ago, Krommer said:

I've only had people mess with me lately if the game somehow incited them to do so:

Reading the comments here and in other threads, some players get griefed frequently, some players do not. The whys of it? I really don't know.

 

I get griefed.

 

Maybe it's because I play in my original jean overall outfit and appear to be a newbie. Maybe it's because I play a female. Maybe it's because I tend to play in very long sessions so it's inevitable that someone will eventually try to pop me during a play session. All I know is that when I'm in regular sessions, it happens enough for me to find it annoying.

 

And talk about people getting griefed for absolutely no reason, I was invited to a session, joined and found that a friend was doing a long distance delivery in a regular session (he knows better...). So we had a full posse protecting the goods.

 

Other players weren't bothering us as we rode along (though we did have to fight NPCs at the delivery point). To the left on the screen, some random player was apparently picking up an animal he had killed. Some axxxxxe in our posse headshot him for no reason. I was so furious I started to leave my friend hanging (well, he did have the other posse members...). I messaged him later and told him not to invite me if he couldn't control other members of his damn posse. I also asked him why in the hell he did it in a regular lobby. He sent me a shrug.

[Direwrath]

7 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

You never even addressed the question here. I'll try again.  

• Why does it bother you if someone shots you, or interrupts your activity in any way?
• Do you lose XP?
• Do you lose money?

One question that the PvE crowd always asks is "Why do they do this? What do they gain? Do they gain XP, do they gain money?

So it's a fair question I think.... Why not? 

I think those questions have been answered right well already. You see, the pve player is absolutely losing something worthwhile to them during an ill intended attack on their character. It's rather clear and stated above my comment by everyone else. 

Yet the attacking player gains nothing tangible but a bit of sad accomplishment. So, is it right to take the freedom of one player to play the game peacefully by themselves, to destroy something they worked for, or to make them lose the time that they have to play the game, just for some insignificant feelings that only last long enough until the next poor unsuspecting player comes along?

 

And yes, it is upsetting to get attacked for no real reason. Not everyone logs onto this game with the intent on being someone else's plaything.

 

Just who is the one pushing themselves into the situation? Who is the aggressor?

It's far easier for a player to not attack another player for the feels than it is for a player minding their own business to avoid the fools with the kill 'em all mindset and itchy trigger fingers.

 

I am rather lucky that I do not meet with those types of players often, and I am so glad that most Red Dead players are mature individuals who actually enjoy playing the game and exploring the world. That they are more willing to send positive greetings and even sometimes help one another out there rather than being inclined to fire rounds into them. But I have read the horror stories of how other players are not so lucky and it does bother me that R* has allowed this kind of behavior to continue to ruin what should be a wonderful gaming experience. Those players should not be forced into a situation that drags their experience into the dirt just so another player gets to feel better about themselves, and that's what it's usually all about. Way I feel about it, one player's lack of self esteem or control should not ruin things for the other players.

 

Long story short, Pve players do lose when they are randomly attacked. Griefers on the other hand don't gain a darn thing.

 

1 hour ago, netnow66 said:

 

Maybe it's because I play in my original jean overall outfit and appear to be a newbie. Maybe it's because I play a female. Maybe it's because I tend to play in very long sessions so it's inevitable that someone will eventually try to pop me during a play session. All I know is that when I'm in regular sessions, it happens enough for me to find it annoying.

 

 

Lol, I tend to think that my guy character looks too pretty boy and that's why I get attacked when I do. I've actually been attacked while my daughter was right next to me with her female character, they completely ignore her and target me.  Lately though, I think most of the attacks are coming from lower level players just wanting to boast about being able to kill a high level player, though sniping me from a distance with a rolling block or killing me with fire or dynamite is a cowards way imo. I'll bet they never mention how they couldn't get any ground to stand on once I targeted them back in return. Really, I'm a very casual player but I do have my limits, and trying to kill me dirty while I'm in defensive is one of those. I hear you, it is rather annoying and it shouldn't even be possible in the first place.

 

[Buddy Hightower]

22 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Same as in real life. You could shoot someone, without taking their money. You don’t gain anything, but it’s not a normal type of behaviour. Killing someone else is a bad thing. 

This isn't real life, it's a video game.

 

21 hours ago, Hiply said:

If  - for instance - you're on a moonshine delivery and some asshat comes by with a stick of dynamite, blows up your wagon, and then finishes it off by killing you then:
 

1. You lost XP
2. You lost money
3. They gained absolutely nothing but the "pleasure" of screwing with you

 

Moonshine delivery is a PvP activity. Your supposed to have a posse with you.

 

 

20 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Time, money, Xp, progress in general. Pick any one off that list, lol.

 

A few examples...

 

I'm selling via a near sale with defensive on. I lose all of the above just so some wanker can get a stiffy.

 

 

The list goes on. 

Selling is a PvP activity, again where's your posse?

 

 

19 hours ago, STNeish said:

I lost 6 hours of work gathering materials for my shine delivery.  I lost the cash invested in the creation and sale of the shine.  I lost the xp I would have gained from the delivery.

Selling is a PvP activity, again where's your posse?

 

I have come to the conclusion that you guys have no idea what griefing is.

[STNeish]

I see rationalization, I fear.  It's not a pvp activity when there's no pvp.  They didn't attack ME, and I didn't have any opportunity to fight back.  They blew up the wagon instantly with one shot.  That's not pvp.

 

 

[netnow66]

11 minutes ago, STNeish said:

I see rationalization, I fear.  It's not a pvp activity when there's no pvp.  They didn't attack ME, and I didn't have any opportunity to fight back.  They blew up the wagon instantly with one shot.  That's not pvp.

 

Who you typically wind up with in a discussion such as this are bullies.

And, considering what they consider logic, they will never understand. They can't. There's some kind of disconnect they have when it comes to decent behaviour.

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by netnow66

[Lonely-Martin]

56 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said:

This isn't real life, it's a video game.

 

Moonshine delivery is a PvP activity. Your supposed to have a posse with you.

 

 

Selling is a PvP activity, again where's your posse?

 

 

Selling is a PvP activity, again where's your posse?

 

I have come to the conclusion that you guys have no idea what griefing is.

Lol. Selling in defensive is not PvP, defensive mode is a 'I'm not interested in PvP' statement. Just sad how some see it as a magnet because they're clearly too scared and weak for PvP. They need their fish in a barrel or they'd never get that hard-on.

 

There's nothing saying we have to posse up, it's free choice and R* have and still heavily advertise this game as one for all types of player, often stating 'lone wolf's' as a playstyle they're appealing to. (Albeit, failing on an epic scale).

 

I'll accept griefing is subjective of course, but I made other examples where I lose time/progress etc through griefing, which you didn't/couldn't answer, so it's clear I do know what griefing is. 

 

I'd say more it's you that doesn't understand what this game is trying to be entirely and missing the point with your defence of weak and petty behaviour out there, lol. So sad!

Edited May 26, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Autospell fail.

[Hiply]

2 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

This isn't real life, it's a video game.

 

Moonshine delivery is a PvP activity. Your supposed to have a posse with you.

 

 

Selling is a PvP activity, again where's your posse?

 

 

Selling is a PvP activity, again where's your posse?

 

I have come to the conclusion that you guys have no idea what griefing is.

 

2 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

I have come to the conclusion that you guys have no idea what griefing is.

And I have come to the conclusion that there is virtually nothing you would classify as griefing in the context of this game.

Distant Trade Runs?  Absolutely a PvP activity since the game tells you it is, which should be a clue that the others are not.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Hiply

[Leftover Pizza]

4 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

This isn't real life, it's a video game.

 

It's still real people on the controls. It's not the game that aim and fire your weapons, right? It's still your eyes seeing someone is in Defensive Mode. It is still your choice to shoot or not. 

It's your common sense deciding. Playing this game doesn't excuse you from using any of the fore mentioned.