A question for those who will randomly shoot people.

[Hiply]

5 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Hummmmmm.... so what's your point?

Ok, I'll try again:

Someone deciding their version of  fun comes from ruining someone else's is garbage gameplay.  This isn't a combat simulator where the sole intent of the game is to rack up kills against the other folks.

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Hiply

[GrungeNinja]

Just now, Hiply said:

This isn't a combat simulator where the sole intent of the game is to rack up kills against the other folks.

I complemented my reply, take a read there, and yes, this is a combat simulator set in wild west for ppl shoot one another, its explicit.

[Hiply]

4 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

I complemented my reply, take a read there, and yes, this is a combat simulator set in wild west for ppl shoot one another, its explicit.

Oh I see.  So Trading, Collecting, Bounty Hunting, Stranger Missions, and Moonshining are just vehicles to generate targets for you?  

[GrungeNinja]

5 minutes ago, Hiply said:

Oh I see.  So Trading, Collecting, Bounty Hunting, Stranger Missions, and Moonshining are just vehicles to generate targets for you?  

Play sarcastic the way you want, players are free to do their fun whatever it is, its your choice to play or avoid getting involved in pvp, if you can’t get the heat get out of the kitchen.

Edited May 19, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[Lonely-Martin]

13 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

I complemented my reply, take a read there, and yes, this is a combat simulator set in wild west for ppl shoot one another, its explicit.

And yet there's true PvE content, lol.

[GrungeNinja]

1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

And yet there's true PvE content, lol.

Of course, otherwise there would be only modes and not a sandbox map.

[Hiply]

3 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Play sarcastic the way you want, players are free to do their fun whatever it is, its your choice to play or avoid getting involved in pvp, if you can’t get the heat get out of the kitchen.

That wasn't remotely sarcastic.  You said:

 

17 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

this is a combat simulator set in wild west for ppl shoot one another

Implicit in that statement is this logic:

 

10 minutes ago, Hiply said:

Trading, Collecting, Bounty Hunting, Stranger Missions, and Moonshining are just vehicles to generate targets

It's not my fault you're refusing to tie the two together.

[Lonely-Martin]

Just now, GrungeNinja said:

Of course, otherwise there would be only modes and not a sandbox map.

So it's not explicitly a combat simulator to shoot people. Same with collecting and picking herbs, they make the game even less so that simulator you mention.

 

It's trying to be a diverse game trying to appeal to all playstyles, just it's geared to f*ck the more passive players over that seek the content out that isn't PvP.

 

Basically, broken and warped.

[Hiply]

1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

So it's not explicitly a combat simulator to shoot people. Same with collecting and picking herbs, they make the game even less so that simulator you mention.

 

It's trying to be a diverse game trying to appeal to all playstyles, just it's geared to f*ck the more passive players over that seek the content out that isn't PvP.

 

Basically, broken and warped.

Oh but hey, you can always just run away and session hop...

[Lonely-Martin]

Just now, Hiply said:

Oh but hey, you can always just run away and session hop...

Yeah, lol.

 

And that's why GTA:O, with all its known faults, make this game look like amateurs created it.

[GrungeNinja]

Ok guys, keep complaining and crying about the game mixing pve/pvp and yet keep playing, go figure. Like others posted here, there is a barbie horse riding game out there, maybe try that and be happy?

 

15 minutes ago, Hiply said:

Oh but hey, you can always just run away and session hop...

 

Be thankful you have those options.

 

[Hiply]

13 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Ok guys, keep complaining and crying about the game mixing pve/pvp and yet keep playing, go figure. Like others posted here, there is a barbie horse riding game out there, maybe try that and be happy?

Who cried about anything here?  Let's not try and make out like you're some internet badass and I'm afraid of PvP.  There's good consensual PvP, there's occasional but still good non-consensual PvP, and then there's simple asshattery masquerading as PvP.  I'm sorry if the distinction escapes you, but that's not my fault.

 

13 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Be thankful you have those options.

As opposed to what, being held at gunpoint and forced to play the game?  No session hopping would imply a persistent world and in a persistent MMO server model, instead of the peer to peer session model, there are absolutely PvP solutions for asshats.  When you're permanently living in the same environment as everyone else you can't just decide to be a dick and then laugh as you session-hop, you get to live with the consequences of people remembering you.  I would welcome that environment.  Seriously welcome it.

Edited May 19, 2020 by Hiply

[Lonely-Martin]

12 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Ok guys, keep complaining and crying about the game mixing pve/pvp and yet keep playing, go figure.

I don't play, lol. Haven't for a fair while either. It's too childish out there with silly top trumps cards for PvP.

10 minutes ago, Hiply said:

Who cried about anything here?  Let's not try and make out like you're some internet badass and I'm afraid of PvP.  There's good consensual PvP, there's occasional but still good non-consensual PvP, and then there's simple asshattery masquerading as PvP.  I'm sorry if the distinction escapes you, but that's not my fault.

It's a typical response from the griefer and anti-PvP brigade that fail to see what the game actually is.

[GrungeNinja]

1 hour ago, Hiply said:

There's good consensual PvP, there's occasional but still good non-consensual PvP, and then there's simple asshattery masquerading as PvP.  I'm sorry if the distinction escapes you, but that's not my fault.

 Consensual pvp is called duel, the occasinal and asshattery happens in EVERY online game, theres no need to distinct those, its just PvP nonetheless, but if you want to think theres really a difference in all those three, well, its your mind, for me war is war, mainly in a virtual world where pp can hide their faces. But none of these things matter, because the feature is in the game, ppl just gotta deal with it or play anything else.  (Before you reply, I'm not saying you to do so).

 

 

1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I don't play, lol. Haven't for a fair while either. It's too childish out there with silly top trumps cards for PvP.

It's a typical response from the griefer and anti-PvP brigade that fail to see what the game actually is.

 But you will when the update drops, and if you don't, I'm sorry for you to feel that lonely to keep posting in a forum of a game you won't play anymore.

And I a griefer?  Hah, thats funny, easy to make assumptions against someone you don't know, and btw, its not me who joined the conversation to bash someone because you don't agree with their opinion, your behavior contraditc the thing you are defending, who's the griefer now?


Anyway, this discussion is going nowhere, have a nice day you both.

[Caysle]

bro what is "consensual pvp", how did you manage to get such gay words together for a wild west game I can't even

my final take is gotta bully the bully, it's just like how you shame a fatass to lose weight, this time you create enough butthurt to make him submit. sinple really

[Buddy Hightower]

26 minutes ago, Caysle said:

bro what is "consensual pvp", how did you manage to get such gay words together for a wild west game I can't even

my final take is gotta bully the bully, it's just like how you shame a fatass to lose weight, this time you create enough butthurt to make him submit. sinple really

lol good luck in life

[Hiply]

58 minutes ago, Caysle said:

bro what is "consensual pvp", how did you manage to get such gay words together for a wild west game I can't even

Yeah you're right that you can't even...

 

...as in can't even understand the concept of opt-in PVP.  As in both being in offensive mode in the context of this specific game.  As in a concept that's been in mixed PVE/PVP environment MMOs since Asheron's Call launched in the late 90s.  

I'm in Offensive mode - I'm looking for PvP
I'm in Defensive mode - I'm not looking for PvP

It's not a difficult concept.  Now being in Def doesn't stop PvP from happening whether I'm looking for it or not in this game, as opposed to more rigid opt-in structures in other games, but that's a matter of degree not a matter of concept.  Instead of not allowing it, defensive buffs are applied.  And I don't mind that concept at all.  No one in this thread has said they want Hello Kitty, and no one said there shouldn't be PvP.

Oh, and sorry if the word "consensual" triggered you...bro.

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Hiply

[netnow66]

56 minutes ago, Hiply said:

I'm in Offensive mode - I'm looking for PvP
I'm in Defensive mode - I'm not looking for PvP.

That's my approach to the game. Apparently it's too difficult for some to grasp, especially those who'd rather be annoying little pissants..

 

And when I don't want to deal with them, that's what glitched solo lobbies are for.

[kcole4001]

PvP can be fun, it can also be a total waste of time, not to mention ammo, horse revivers, etc.

 

Examples:

Fun can be had during the new special showdowns that only allow limited, map available weapons, no explosive or incendiary ammo here, unless it's on the map for everyone to pick up.

Or in regular showdowns if you're decent at them.

You also earn a little money and gold, and more importantly (to me, anyway) you can strike off some of those daily challenges.

 

Waste of time- while trying to achieve the daily for '3 collectibles looted from NPC enemies' I was trolling the roads for lone NPC riders - just shoot their horse and they'll become enemies, then kill and loot them.

Time consuming and tedious, but if you can't find a roadblock or hideout because of the broken p2p server system, ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

During one of these shootouts, a low level random that I had passed some distance back decides to start potting at me from across Dewberry Creek.

Do I turn around and engage, or ride away?

What do I gain from engaging?

What does he gain from shooting at someone clearly not interested bothering with him?

My answer: no, I have things to do, and can see no benefit from shooting at another player.

There's no XP, money, or more importantly gold up for grabs, like there would be in a showdown or freeroam event.

 

That's what this thread was about: what's to gain by blasting at someone who is actively engaged doing something else?

I have yet to see any explanation of the point of random shootouts since this game was launched.

 

Alleviation of someone's boredom with the game?

Simple solution is to just do something else that doesn't bore you, come back to it when the game doesn't bore you (IE: new content)

That's what normal people do.

[Caysle]

2 hours ago, Hiply said:

Yeah you're right that you can't even...

 

...as in can't even understand the concept of opt-in PVP.  As in both being in offensive mode in the context of this specific game.  As in a concept that's been in mixed PVE/PVP environment MMOs since Asheron's Call launched in the late 90s.  

I'm in Offensive mode - I'm looking for PvP
I'm in Defensive mode - I'm not looking for PvP

It's not a difficult concept.  Now being in Def doesn't stop PvP from happening whether I'm looking for it or not in this game, as opposed to more rigid opt-in structures in other games, but that's a matter of degree not a matter of concept.  Instead of not allowing it, defensive buffs are applied.  And I don't mind that concept at all.  No one in this thread has said they want Hello Kitty, and no one said there shouldn't be PvP.

Oh, and sorry if the word "consensual" triggered you...bro.

 

well in an online game if you give players any chance to kill players or disrupt other players' business they will do it, whether you are itching for some pvp or not. there's no point in arguing what was the motive behind it, the griefer could've just said my pet snake who I communicate telephatically told me to do it and you would have to believe it because that was what he told you so. it is developer's business to satisfy players and they haven't given us a friendly free roam sessions like they successfully did 10 years ago with the first game. they've gone retarded with all the lust of gold money

so I believe just git gud at pvp and you won't be troubled much even if somebody forces themselves upon you. there's lots of information about it especially on youtube, I suggest onlypvpcat that's where I learned from. tbh though I glitch myself to solo lobbies too, everything works so much better there you just don't want go back to lobbies with red dot cunts, game doesnt work properly in those too. I'm level 125 I play since december and I've only seen one bison in public lobbies, that was in great plains. first lobby I play solo I've seen a whole pack of bison spawn in heartlands during a bounty mission

the problem I have with the word consensual is what is implied by it, not because I have something against you. it is that we are stupid creatures and someone or something has to tell us what is wrong or right. no you are just as clueless as me and I don't accept your larping and authority

besides consensual is a unaesthetic word, the only way to make the word sensual aesthetic is by spelling it with bachata. my latin dancer absolute chad bros will know this

Edited May 19, 2020 by Caysle

[Lonely-Martin]

4 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

But you will when the update drops, and if you don't, I'm sorry for you to feel that lonely to keep posting in a forum of a game you won't play anymore.

And I a griefer?  Hah, thats funny, easy to make assumptions against someone you don't know, and btw, its not me who joined the conversation to bash someone because you don't agree with their opinion, your behavior contraditc the thing you are defending, who's the griefer now?


Anyway, this discussion is going nowhere, have a nice day you both.

There was a typo in the post you replied to, I meant anti-PvE not anti PvP. My bad. I never called you a griefer though, I said (or was meant to had it not been for that typo) saying go play Barbie or whatever is the go-to response for the griefer and the anti-PvE player, you made it clear you were anti-PvE, so I called you that.

 

As for returning when content arrives, sure, I'll pop by then of course. Be a bit wrong to have criticism of something I know nothing about, lol. I'll pop by here to see what comes and if it looks worthy of my time, I'll try it out and see before I do comment/pass my thoughts.

 

As for being lonely, you read too much into my guise here. I'm never lonely, but good try.

 

But regardless or our opposing view on the way the game plays, there's no denying this game is limited and broken in many ways, so there's no harm in visiting this side of the forum in hope of good things and enjoying some chat/banter about the game. It's a discussion forum, quite literally the reason for this place to exist, so hop down off that high horse next time. Neither of us has the moral high ground, so settle down cowboy. I'm active across many sections of this cool place, and a pop by here regardless of how active I currently am isn't breaking any rules. I got no beef and if you do feel I was calling you a griefer, I apologise as that wasn't my intent. Sorry for that. 

[Direwrath]

8 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

Hummmmmm.... so what's your point?    Because everything I read in your reply is the same as I said and what ppl complained said aswell. You interpreted what I said "this should be a free for all shoot up" when this is exactly what the game is, if you're not a dick that goes around shooting everyone, good for you, you're part of the good guys, as I am, so whats the problem having dicks on the game that is the opposite?  what will happen is exactly what you experiencied in Van Horn, if one can't deal with someone or a posse, theres 3 options, parley, move session or run, i don't see why ppl get so serious about a game when you have options to avoid dicks, play games like Conan Exiles and there you will see what nightmare is.

Or people could just leave other people alone? It really is that simple... Once again, I cannot see why this is so hard for people to grasp? Live and let live, join a showdown if you want to shoot other players for no particular reason. At least those players are ready and willing to give a challenge to build that ego up, and since those are the actual modes of the game built around that kind of game play.

 

My philosphy is if you want to get me into a fight, shoot at my feet or in the air around me, insult me with emotes, but don't keep attacking if I walk the other way. If I want a gunfight I will oblige, if not just leave me alone. It's all I'm asking for and really it's not a whole lot. 

 

I mean it is highly possible to play this game without killing other players randomly, and I am grateful that most players adhere to a sense of respect in this game. You seem to see the game as a free for all "shoot 'em up" game, others obviously do not. So to complain that they are complaining when, in all honesty, the game is not just a battleground COD kind of game is kind of redundant. You think one way, other players feel differently. The only problem is that the other side does not intrude on your pvp game play, you are the ones intruding in theirs. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Direwrath

[GrungeNinja]

@Direwrath I've seem your posts since I became active in these forums after RDR2 PC release, I mostly agree with the things you say, in my previous posts I may not have been clear about what I was trying to say, and what I was trying to say is...

 

7 hours ago, Direwrath said:

people could just leave other people alone? It really is that simple... Once again, I cannot see why this is so hard for people to grasp? Live and let live, join a showdown if you want to shoot other players for no particular reason

I believe that you, I, @Lonely-Martin (srsly now, I called you lonely before and I hadn't even realized you have Lonely in your nick, genuinely haha), @Hiply and most of ppl in these forums being old enough, knows that in life we will always meet "bad ppl", so its not different in the internet, that btw, its even worse because of the screen curtain. So these ppl (same as murderers, psychos and any other kind of mind sickness or social disturbance) won't think like you, I, and every normal ppl in here, because they have a different view on the world and meaning of "fun".

When you say 

 

7 hours ago, Direwrath said:

My philosphy is if you want to get me into a fight, shoot at my feet or in the air around me, insult me with emotes, but don't keep attacking if I walk the other way. If I want a gunfight I will oblige, if not just leave me alone. It's all I'm asking for and really it's not a whole lot. 

An honorable person think that way, they do not, they think exactly the opposite, they want to go against the rules, they want to be noticed, telling you that they're better than you by killing and harassing in any way they can, and most of the times in the worst possible way just to make you uncomfortable and submit to their "power", this is what griefers and hackers do, its no secret for anyone that have online gaming experience.

 

 

7 hours ago, Direwrath said:

I mean it is highly possible to play this game without killing other players randomly, and I am grateful that most players adhere to a sense of respect in this game. You seem to see the game as a free for all "shoot 'em up" game, others obviously do not. So to complain that they are complaining when, in all honesty, the game is not just a battleground COD kind of game is kind of redundant. You think one way, other players feel differently. The only problem is that the other side does not intrude on your pvp game play, you are the ones intruding in theirs. 

 Of course we all can play without killing other players randomly, but if the developer of the game decided that is possible, ppl must expect that! There WILL be players that will attack you, because the game allow them to. RDR being more mature driven than GTAO, and I'm very grateful for that, I even created a thread asking how was RDO back in november before the pc release, we all that choose to play this game knowing that there is no private lobbies, and mainly with GTAO experience needs to know there will be "outlaws" that will take advantage on playing dirty, and honestly, I know that you guys know that this is what R* wants to, they want us to be sitting ducks, so the temptation blooms on the fingers of the bad and curious ppl, hence why the low ranks attacks you when they don't have a clue what they're doing and who they're attacking.

 You know what?  Even not being cool getting interrupted on what I am doing, be a trader or moonshine sell, or just in the middle of a simple flower picking animation (yes, I am a player that likes PvP and I am a flower picker), when the griefer appears and decide that I am their target, I like it, because they're the ones I'll fight, of course I get upset when my cargo is destroyed, but I know this is part of the game so I don't let this get to my nerves for long and I try to do what I can, be fighting, or just facing the defeat and leave. If this game was only PvE I wouldn't play, like Monster Hunter World and all those online coop games I really don't see nothing interesting because there is no thrill to me, but thats of course its just me and the (good) ppl who likes PvP, no one should be forced to play something they don't find fun in it, if the RDO PvE community wants private lobbies, R* should let them have by all means, but while they don't have, they just gotta deal with the tools provided to "fight" against it, its a nuisance having to change sessions, run away when you can, or parley, it is I know, but it is what it is, there is nothing we can do but to come here to express our feelings or send useless messages directly to R* to shape the game the way we want.

I never said the game is just a battleground COD kind of game, I know I said this is an Old West combat simulator, and it is, of course its not only that, again, for you, I and the two I was having the discussion, but the game allows ppl to attack you at anytime when you're not in a safe area, so yes, it is a combat simulator in a sandbox world filled with stuff to do (or supposed to heh R*) thankfully, I don't like modes (some are fun), so I spent my time 99% in freeroam lvling Roles, doing all the PvE kind of stuff and everything else avaliable to do, with that, PvPing the ones who are supposed to, the "bad guys" that attacks ppl without a reason. I like to think that these players are the same as the npc bounty one's in the murals, hell, we have bounty on players, how cool is that for player vs player interaction?  To overcome boredom I even do the Assassination Player/Posse missions that The Boy and the other strangers offers.

I just wanted to say when I first replied to everyone hold our horses here before Hiply felt the need to express his opinion (and there is nothing wrong in that, thats whats the forums are for), the OP question for those who randomly shoots ppl, there is not exactly an answer because ppl's minds work different depending the life they live, one may suffer bullying enough from work, friends, school, parents, that he/she will act where they can, while in real life they can't do much but to go crazy and start shooting ppl in the movies or school, or just a fresh novice player curious about the mechanics of the game where he will attack someone to understand how the game works.

I'm not an anti-PvE like Lonely-Martin thought, and yes apologies accpepted Martin, I apologise aswell for my bad temper and english if I wasn't clear enough lol,  I know I may write in a confused way because I'm a brazilian learning english trying to communicate with you, I was just trying to say this, in this game, like in GTAO, being R*, there WILL BE dicks around regardless the theme and seriousness of the game. The players who despise PvP interaction in freeroam without private lobbies will have to use defensive/parley/run or move session to avoid it, but first, even being PvE, I know that they will fight back, we ALL fight back, we have guns in our hands, the game is set in violence, so the reaction when a dick comes try to ruin our game is to defend ourselves even if we don't like it, its a natural reaction. Its cool for the OP to create this thread because he wants to know why there are ppl who do that, what I was saying to hold the horses was because some replies were saying that "in the year X there were no outlaws who went on killing spree, just some years ahead, and this, and that,  heeeey, are we forgetting this is just a game? Its meant for chilling and fun, not to check if its date events are correct, we all love the precision R* with the details, but its a game, and we should remember that what happens in our day is more important than what a moron did to our virtual avatars, be that wasting our time and pestering us.

Sheesh, thats a text wall. Summing up, I don't want to diminish anyone here I was having discussion with, nor PvE and neither even the griefers because without them, I wouldn't have the pleasure to PvP with , I wish everyone to stay safe and have a good game, for real, in forums we can have some nasty discussions, but at the end, nothing of these will matter because we're all just players seeking the best for the game, and of course, be mad at R* for not making it what could be done.



ps curiosity*    Have you noticed that no one answered the OP question identifying themselves as those who does the attacks?   

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[Lonely-Martin]

@GrungeNinja. It's all good, and your English is pretty good. I always have respect for anyone that can speak my language when it's not their own too, unfortunately I can't speak more than my own, and struggle with that at times, lol.

 

It's just unfortunate that R* are too keen to see the playstyles clash rather than look to enable more variety and choice in this game. IMHO, it's a key reason I feel GTA:O thrives as it takes all kinds and if anyone fancies something else, the game let's us slip off quietly to play among friends or to join the feisty side in a public lobby and what-not. But hopefully this current spell is seeing R* look around more and read feedback etc too and things improve all round for all.

 

I can come off as anti PvP myself but I don't want that side of the game hampered, just a bit more freedom to choose our way without feeling like easy prey for those players that relish it bring so easy at times.

[Direwrath]

@GrungeNinja You are right, and I hope that my posts aren't coming mean or rude. I have a big problem with trying to say things without seeming mean online and I really apologize if that was how it came to sound.  People who know me tell me that I can seem abrasive when I am not trying to.  

 

And I completely understand that some players see this game as a free roam "shootout". In a way I understand their reasons, because with all honesty there is very little in this game that is asking for us players to interact with one another in a non hostile way, we cannot trade with one another, there are no free roam scenarios that ask us to come together to work for a common goal. So we are literally left with either leaving one another alone, sending a greeting every once in a while, or prodding one another into a shootout. R* has little if any understanding on how to actually make the world a place where all types of players can roam about together without having it frustrate or bore us. We need more stuff to do, I mean we were promised the ability to really play the outlaw and yet we still aren't there yet. No bank robberies, train robberies, livestock rustling, nothing. Not to mention the showdowns are kind of boring after a while, and that's if you can get other players to join. The past few times I decided to join along I was the only one waiting for the game so I left.

 

Also, I do enjoy pvp in this game in free roam, for example I love when I get to be the target of that group of highwaymen out their doing their part to make the roads a little less safe to travel. Or that time when a gang that was specifically called the "Lasso Gang" hogtied me and I literally hitchhiked on the back of their horse across the map for almost an entire gameplay. It was so cool because one of them had a high bounty and we had two other posse groups chasing after us to collect, all while I was still tied up on the back of their horse. That was an adventure! 

It's when players take the time to flesh out their characters and actually play a part it really brings the world some life, and you're right, it is the "dicks" or the true griefers who are the ones that sour the pvp for everyone else. This is why I like to be very specific when I mention that this game is not the hostile environment that GTA tends to create. For me, I tend to be cautious with other players because I don't want to interfere in their game, and most other players seem to think the same way as I do. So I cannot really understand how easily other players can find it to just start shooting at a random who rides by. Would I consider them "dicks" or "griefers". No, because like you said, the game is allowing them the choice to do just that. Whether it's right or wrong it is an option. But if they intend on engaging then they also need to understand that they may not get the reception that they were hoping for. In my mind, griefers are a whole other kind of animal, they are the ones that pve players need better protections from. And the relief that players are given, which is defensive mode, well that just seems to edge those types of players on. If R* just gave different server options people could feel safe playing the game that they want. 

R* is to blame, but there could be a bit of courtesy shown to other players in the game until they can fix things right is all I'm saying. And to be truthful, R* probably won't be fixing things we all know that. 

12 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

ps curiosity*    Have you noticed that no one answered the OP question identifying themselves as those who does the attacks?   

 

Lol, I noticed that too. 

 

[GrungeNinja]

8 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

@GrungeNinja. It's all good, and your English is pretty good. I always have respect for anyone that can speak my language when it's not their own too, unfortunately I can't speak more than my own, and struggle with that at times, lol.

 

It's just unfortunate that R* are too keen to see the playstyles clash rather than look to enable more variety and choice in this game. IMHO, it's a key reason I feel GTA:O thrives as it takes all kinds and if anyone fancies something else, the game let's us slip off quietly to play among friends or to join the feisty side in a public lobby and what-not. But hopefully this current spell is seeing R* look around more and read feedback etc too and things improve all round for all.

 

I can come off as anti PvP myself but I don't want that side of the game hampered, just a bit more freedom to choose our way without feeling like easy prey for those players that relish it bring so easy at times.

Ty for the kind words, if you struggle with it, imagine me lol, but I like it, portuguese in other hand is a nightmare.

Yes, their vision of keeping all the players together should be more well executed, I wonder if sometime in the future they could have dedicated servers handling lots of players, 50 would be a good number I think, native and active players would get to know each other in time, posses, the "bad guys" building their infame, PvE/P separated servers, and techical problems (we know no game is bug free) being fixed in honest time (don't wanna push you R* employee), then...  that would be close to a perfect game, I think I'm dreaming high here lol.

Martin, I believe, it may take a bit long, hopefully not, but if R* wants to keep its popularity in the comming years, they will have to do more than well written and developed singleplayer games, so future players (we included I hope) may have a whole better experience. Or not

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Direwrath said:

You are right, and I hope that my posts aren't coming mean or rude. I have a big problem with trying to say things without seeming mean online and I really apologize if that was how it came to sound.  People who know me tell me that I can seem abrasive when I am not trying to.  

 

And I completely understand that some players see this game as a free roam "shootout". In a way I understand their reasons, because with all honesty there is very little in this game that is asking for us players to interact with one another in a non hostile way, we cannot trade with one another, there are no free roam scenarios that ask us to come together to work for a common goal. So we are literally left with either leaving one another alone, sending a greeting every once in a while, or prodding one another into a shootout. R* has little if any understanding on how to actually make the world a place where all types of players can roam about together without having it frustrate or bore us. We need more stuff to do, I mean we were promised the ability to really play the outlaw and yet we still aren't there yet. No bank robberies, train robberies, livestock rustling, nothing. Not to mention the showdowns are kind of boring after a while, and that's if you can get other players to join. The past few times I decided to join along I was the only one waiting for the game so I left.

 

Also, I do enjoy pvp in this game in free roam, for example I love when I get to be the target of that group of highwaymen out their doing their part to make the roads a little less safe to travel. Or that time when a gang that was specifically called the "Lasso Gang" hogtied me and I literally hitchhiked on the back of their horse across the map for almost an entire gameplay. It was so cool because one of them had a high bounty and we had two other posse groups chasing after us to collect, all while I was still tied up on the back of their horse. That was an adventure! 

It's when players take the time to flesh out their characters and actually play a part it really brings the world some life, and you're right, it is the "dicks" or the true griefers who are the ones that sour the pvp for everyone else. This is why I like to be very specific when I mention that this game is not the hostile environment that GTA tends to create. For me, I tend to be cautious with other players because I don't want to interfere in their game, and most other players seem to think the same way as I do. So I cannot really understand how easily other players can find it to just start shooting at a random who rides by. Would I consider them "dicks" or "griefers". No, because like you said, the game is allowing them the choice to do just that. Whether it's right or wrong it is an option. But if they intend on engaging then they also need to understand that they may not get the reception that they were hoping for. In my mind, griefers are a whole other kind of animal, they are the ones that pve players need better protections from. And the relief that players are given, which is defensive mode, well that just seems to edge those types of players on. If R* just gave different server options people could feel safe playing the game that they want. 

R* is to blame, but there could be a bit of courtesy shown to other players in the game until they can fix things right is all I'm saying. And to be truthful, R* probably won't be fixing things we all know that. 

 

You were fine, and I understand that ppl have that impression on you, my friends and wife say that often I look and have a vocal tone angry when I was just excited and start to talk loud lol.

 

Yeah, its difficult to label ppls action in games that have pvp, because there will be all kind of behaviors, and the annoying and worst ones always upset ppl who likes to play fair. Thats why I said in my previous posts, that even the p2p servers we have not being the best, having the option to change it with little effort is a gift, imagine if we had instead dedicated servers pested with those modders and hackers without gm moderation?  My God, GTAO wouldn't be in the 10 most played steam list ever. So, when we get those encounters with ppl who stick to us, attacking and everything, we change lobbies and voila, relief hehe, at least thats what happens to me, I love being able to do this because on past experiences (UO, NWN multiplayer, WOW, GW2(it has megaservers nowadays), Rust and Conan Exiles), being struck in a server with some pest you can't get rid off, its the literal Quit Button after a time, along with mundane things and new interests of course.

Thats exactly the feeling I feel with PvP, your description on those events is what makes my veins fill with thrill, my heart beats speed up, the blood boils, a lot of times I make mistakes like everyone else, and I laugh with it, then I come back and try a strike, a very wide pool of possibilities can happen when you are fighting another human being at the other side of the screen from any part of the world. Its like Chess. I like fps, gun fights can be quite fun, but I have an inclination to melee, I love medieval games (God, that rumor about Project Medieval must be true lol), one of my favorite "moves" on pvp is run zig zagging with Slippery active towards the enemy with the Hunting Axe or the Águila Machete, I just love the animations, feels so real and rewarding.

Well, I better stop here before I do another text wall, my restless mind make my fingers act like playing drums on the keyboard.

 

1 hour ago, Direwrath said:

Lol, I noticed that too. 

I think they will never expose themselves lol

Edited May 20, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[MSK_MKIII]

I guess humans killing or hurting each other is hard wired into our dna or something. Coz we seem to do it throughout history. Not just in video games 

 

p.s. guess that's my answer to OP's question.

[Direwrath]

13 minutes ago, MSK_MKIII said:

I guess humans killing or hurting each other is hard wired into our dna or something. Coz we seem to do it throughout history. Not just in video games 

 

p.s. guess that's my answer to OP's question.

Now that is the sad truth. 

 

 

[AmyStone]

Twice in two days while we were riding around collecting, Mark and I had someone ride up behind and use fire ammo on us from around 2 metres away. One of them quit before we could even respawn. The other one stuck around long enough to get humiliated. How pathetic a player do you need to be not only to shoot someone in the back from point blank range but also to need fire ammo to do it.

 

I don't know if I still have the video of it and maybe this should have gone in the justice served thread, but I had one guy last weekend shoot me with explosives while I was riding across The Great Plains. We had a bit of a battle with him and he never used a normal piece of ammo for the whole fight. He used explosives from every gun he had, dynamite arrows and fire. He even started throwing dynamite around when he ran out of special ammo but he still ended up dying a lot more than us. Around 10 minutes after the fight he decided to do a camp sale. We were right on that and he never stood a chance of delivering it. More free stuff for our camp and the pleasure of getting payback.

[1898]

On 5/20/2020 at 4:24 AM, GrungeNinja said:

ps curiosity*    Have you noticed that no one answered the OP question identifying themselves as those who does the attacks?   
 

 

15 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

 

I think they will never expose themselves lol

 

Rabid griefers probably aren't type that would post on message boards. Bet they have a low opinion and plenty of names for all of us that do.

Edited May 21, 2020 by 1898