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LloydGTA3

So how come fans hate Tommy for his treatment of Lance but not Vic?

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LloydGTA3

Whenever I see fans talk about Tommy, the most common complaint about him is the way he treated Lance. People always say that they don't blame Lance for doing what he did because of the way Tommy treated him, but what about Vic in Vice City Stories? Wasn't he the exact same way towards Lance in that game as well? He always berated Lance for his stupidity and lazing around, yet folks give him a free pass, but when Tommy did the exact same thing to Lance (berating him for f*cking up his plan to take out Diaz and not helping Tommy with a job and instead decides to sit and drink), fans always give him a lot of sh*t. Hell Lance even called Tommy at one point and told him that he didn't like how Tommy treated him because it reminded him of the way his brother treated him in VCS. So I ask this, why do people give Tommy all the sh*t for his treatment on Lance yet don't give a sh*t about Vic giving Lance the same exact treatment in VCS?

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GTA-Biker
Posted (edited)

My guess is that much less people played VCS than VC,so a lot of people simply don't know how Vic and Lance were getting along.Also,Lance seemed much more irresponsible and stupid in VCS,while he seemed a bit more matured in VC,so maybe people consider Vic's treatment of Lance more justified.

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El Penguin Bobo
Posted (edited)

Never really knew why people hate Tommy for treating Lance like sh*t which never happened in the story? He only yelled at him once, and that was just due to his f*ck-ups.

 

People who think that really makes me wonder if they ever played the game or not.

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Algonquin Assassin

What was wrong with how Tommy treated Lance anyway? If Lance sits around drinking instead of pulling his finger out of his arse by being more useful or f*cking up plans then I don't blame Tommy for berating him. So he should.

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Americana

I mean, I've never seen anyone complaining about that particular thing?

 


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Niobium

the reason is because they don't pay attention to the story

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iiCriminnaaL 49
Posted (edited)

Tommy only blamed Lance when it was needed. Also, Vic is Lance's elder brother, in which Tommy is not. Not to mention that Lance was much more reckless in Vice City Stories than he was in Vice City.

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watersgta3
21 minutes ago, Americana said:

I mean, I've never seen anyone complaining about that particular thing?

 

 


You'd be surprised. There have been past topics about other users defending Lance and his betrayal of Tommy. Some say that Tommy treated him like sh*t since day one (which is complete bullsh*t since Tommy hasn't once been an asshole towards Lance in one cutscene), and in a topic way back in 2007 (the one about Lance "surviving" his death), there was even one past user who flat-out stated he'd/she'd do the same thing Lance did.

 

OT: I think the reason why fans hate Tommy for it is because they dislike his psychopathic demeanor and quickly judge him on how he acts, whereas they're more used to Vic being that way towards Lance due to seeing it as a "family" thing (which is a pretty lame excuse since if Lance's own brother can't stand him, what makes fans think anyone else, especially a cold-blooded murderer who gets constantly annoyed with Ken's whining, would tolerate him?). Plus Tommy had only berated Lance twice in the whole story and had even had a more conciliatory convo over the phone with him to take it easy, as well as adding in the fact that Lance is free to call Tommy out if he screws things up for a change.

 

You also know what I find funny? How the fans who actually took Lance's side tries to call out Tommy for betraying Sonny and Ken while he was getting mad at Lance's betrayal, even though the former had set him up 15 years ago (and was even implied to have sold Tommy out from the start) and the latter was a useless coke addict whose addiction would have jeopardized the businesses in Vice. Yeah, because f*ck Tommy for not showing loyalty to those two. (sarcasm)

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EkaSwede
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Yeah, people give Tomym a bit too much crap. Sure, he yelled at Lance like... twice. Once in Death Row because Lance tried to jump Diaz on his own. "There goes my careful planning all to sh*t. All thanks to you, Lance, you screwed up real  good!" or something like that. And Death Row is kind of a hard mission the first time you play it. That time limit is really tight if you don't know the city that well.

 

The second time was Lance just being lazy and Tomym was just re-establishin the protectino racket.

 

But the Lance would start calling Tommy and whining about not getting a slize or being treated fairly. Tommy tries his best to be reasonable and calmly explain things to Lance.

 

But I guess it's also a game problem that Vice City is a really short game. There aren't many story missions if you exlude the property missions (except from PRint Works, since that's the only mandatory property along with the required total). But to be fair, this is a game that was made in less than a year and was originalyl supposed to be an expansion of GTA III before it became a standalone game.

 

Also, one could argue tha tLance doesn't get to participate in the other businesses at all, but agian this may have been done by the devs to avoid completing ALL the assets is mandatory for the story. It wouldn't make sense if LAnce would appear in a cutscene for an asset after we killed him, right?

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Copcaller

It's funny cause I had to explain to some friends why exactly Lance made that phone call and I agree VCS is probably less remembered by fans than VC

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billiejoearmstrong8
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First time I've heard that anyone has a problem with how Tommy treated Lance. Hilarious :lol:. They weren't BFFs, they had a business relationship running a cutthroat criminal empire. Tommy saved Lance's life and trusted him and treated him fine, he only criticised or yelled at him for good reason. 

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Ryo256
12 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

First time I've heard that anyone has a problem with how Tommy treated Lance. Hilarious :lol:. They weren't BFFs, they had a business relationship running a cutthroat criminal empire. Tommy saved Lance's life and trusted him and treated him fine, he only criticised or yelled at him for good reason. 

It's not even that weak of a relationship because Tommy even gave Lance permission to criticize him if he screws up. Tommy was a reasonable boss.

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Ahmedmfroezspeed

maybe because vic was lance's brother,so people passed it for him

but Tom ain't Lance's Brother, so people went bezerk about it...

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Algonquin Assassin

The more I think about it the fact Lance was made out to be stupid and goofy in VCS makes his f*cks ups in Vice City even more alarming since theoretically he should've matured by then.

 

So once again I don't blame Tommy for berating him when he should know better.

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muvdafucupouttahere
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Because the fans like Lance so much that they try to justify his actions and dislike Tommy because he doesn't care about anyone (never mind the fact that there isn't a single character in the game worth caring for, except Colonel Cortez and Earnest Kelly) and they like Vic better because he showed signs of caring, so they overlook Lance's behavior there in VCS because he's Vic's brother. Honestly, Lance deserved the treatment he received from both Vic and Tommy, because he's a lazy moron who f*cks everything up for both of them.

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Limefong
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The thing is, Vic is Lance's brother but Tommy ain't.

And Lance always f*cks up, he deserves this treatment due to his childishness. When Tommy yelled at Lance, I couldn't help but laugh.

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Zello

Vic and Lance are brothers. Brothers have a bond and they fight each other all the time. 

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