Mafia: The Trilogy

[Craigsters]

I most likely well get this when it comes out sense I had mafia on dvdrom when it first came out

 

there's a side by side comparison  video of the original and new at youtube I seen, but it's probably been posted here already, so I won't post it 

[GhettoJesus]

5 hours ago, Shaksprings said:

Paulie definitely has the worst voice lmao theres no debate

I would be inclined to agree in a sense that his acting is way too forced. But it somewhat fits his character at least in my opinion. At least more than Frank's or Tommy's. Although it's hard to imagine that a guy with this voice would be the one who

Spoiler

organizes something behind Salieri's back and thus betrays him

 

[Zello]

5 hours ago, Shaksprings said:

Paulie definitely has the worst voice lmao theres no debate

Paulie doesn't even look like a mobster in the remake. He looks like some kid who just got out of a glee club or drama club rehearsal.

[slimeball supreme]

dont agree with much of the criticism when it comes to changing the story at all, and significantly prefer the new cast to the old in just about every way. there's significantly more naturalism in the delivery, the dialogue is actually good instead of wooden poorly-translated czech, pretty much every character is actually a character instead of being a generic wiseguy with maybe one or two traits that make them stand out.

 

paulie seems to be getting a lot of sh*t which legitimately surprised me - in the original he was supposed to be the tommy devito, joe pesci-style abrasive gangster but it literally never showed in any part of the game. in the remake he's a squawky little prick: he's far more of a real gangster than any character in the original. he's fun to his friends and has a lot of chemistry and all the same is a vindictive little cocksucker. him being less likable is not a bad thing. he has an actual personality now instead of being typecast as 'one of tommy's pals'. the same goes for sam - who in the original had like two traits (goofy blue bowtie and he was an asshole at the end) and some really lame clinical delivery from agent dwight harris. sam and paulie actually bounce off each other in the new footage whereas in the original i can scarcely recall many scenes where they had any dialogue together at all. across the board everything is more nuanced and interesting. even with the 30's chicago setting it's just more fleshed out and present than the distant maybe-nyc-maybe-chicago of the original (i got a kick out of salieri's "da bears" southside chicago dialect and frank being 100% a sicilian zip).

 

even with tommy's new va. this one i understand since he's the center of it all but it all seems to come down to him having more agency in the plot and sounding a little rougher. he's inducted into the family by chance all the same but he's a hard working blue collar guy - of course he's going to sound like hes from the streets. being a straight lace person doesnt mean you suddenly sound 'proper', the wiseguy accent was never restricted to just gangsters. the guy used to drink bathtub gin and talks about buying coats for his ma. when he's driving the cab he's legitimately intimidated and proves to salieri he's worth being involved by wanting to enact revenge on the guys himself. he isnt just made a member of the family after running to the bar and a cutscene of him drinking with all the fellas, it's a much more involved process for every character and he's not just ferried into a place of prominence. when you're in the life you've got to take it. the tommy angelo of the original was just a contradictory player analogue that simultaneously was the victim of the criminal lifestyle but was also a willing participant for 10 years (even after making enough cash to live comfortably). here he's a victim of poverty who worked a crummy job and, like a lot of guys, saw the camaraderie of a code that ended up being a lie

[Sergiu]

The fun fact is that the original developers were more responsible for those character traits that you people seem to complain about here. Paulie's "new" direction was something that the original devs who are still working at Hangar 13 wished to implement in 2002 but couldn't due to limited tech. Another good example, as Haden stated in his GhostRobo interview, was that the original devs planned to make Sam a ladies' man, but couldn't due to the limitations, so they were able to do that now.

Mafia DE is exactly what was marketed, the original Mafia with less limitations and a higher budget, aimed to fulfill design goals that couldn't be 18 years ago. I'm actually a bit pissed that the game sticks *too close* to the original structure, story and design philosophy, because I believe that a stellar remake might also be a mediocre game for 2020 standards, but oh well... we shall see.

 

 

Either way, all in all, I'd advise people to quit their whining and give this new cast a shot. Rose tinted glasses make most people remember the original direction and voice acting much better than it actually was.

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Sergiu

[gooeyhole]

^ that is so bad it has soul though it almost comes around to being good again lol

Edited August 28, 2020 by gooeyhole

[Zello]

 

Some people are really angry over Paulie. Bruh

[GhettoJesus]

18 minutes ago, Zello said:

 

Some people are really angry over Paulie. Bruh

That's just beyond pathetic. It's fine to dislike his act but come on now.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sergiu said:

because I believe that a stellar remake might also be a mediocre game for 2020 standards

Journalists will praise it based on the gameplay I have seen. Of course I haven't experienced the controls for myself but it has plenty of options to tweak so it can be accessible or it can give you a good challenge. Plus it even has a trip skip option which will surely be appreciated by those who aren't fond of driving. It's really just up to how well they like the story and the gunplay. I don't think they will praise it as GOTY but it will be worth a solid 8/10 for them

Edited August 28, 2020 by GhettoJesus

[Sergiu]

So far so good, it's shaping up to be a solid 8, maybe a stretched 9.

 

Then again, if the later part of the story is as well portrayed as in the 2002 game I'm definitely feeling 9s. The first part of Mafia's story was never so deep to begin with, but the later part definitely turned into it. As of now, we've seen the "marry me" scene in DE, it's promising.

Edited August 28, 2020 by Sergiu

[slimeball supreme]

im sure the guy who originally played paulie would jump at the chance to reprise his role. mainly because as far as i know william demeo is largely known for making really sh*tty straight to dvd gangster movies that he sells out of the trunk of his car in sheepshead bay

[Alex816]

this looks great.

 

i never played the original, but from what i've seen the voice acting is much improved.

 

i avoided the gameplay vids cause as i said i never played the original. everything will be new to me besides the ending which is the only part of the story i know

[Sergiu]

There's a small detail I noticed about Sam's outfits.

 

He has two default ones and I'm not yet sure if they're used randomly or not. He wears a suit with a button shirt and no tie in some gameplay vids of the preview build and a suit with a suit shirt and blue tie in some other scenes in the preview.

 

I do like this a lot...

[kobeni]

I don't get the complaints and hate on M:DE either. I thought Hangar 13 did a fantastic job on the game so far.

 

Most of the rants here seem to be aesthetic nitpicks through a nostalgic lens and the heavy expectation that it would be just like the original game in terms of gameplay, atmosphere and dialogue. I personally thought the game looks stellar, beautiful even. If anything, I felt that it was a lot more authentic to the 1930s than it was before. The voice acting is phenomenal (yes, that includes Paulie, his unique, Joe Pesci-ish appearance and voice was a great way to distinguish him from everybody else), definitely heaps better than the 2002 game.

 

The car dialogue was great, and serves as a great way to link all the events in the chapter together as well as build up the camaraderie between Tommy, Paulie and Sam, something which I felt was missing in Mafia: Lost Heaven.

 

It's a remake in the same vein as Resident Evil 2 so obviously they would have to take some liberties to the script  to make it more in line with like a modern-day Netflix, Cinemax or HBO show. If you're expecting the same dialogue, VAs, cutscenes, textures. sound effects etc. for this you're better off just playing the original game, because obviously the end result for you would be nothing short of disappointing.

 

The anachronism argument is pretty invalid considering the fact that Mafia 2 is full of them.

 

Plus, Tommy actually drinks coffee in Running Man, that's f*cking dope man!

 

Obviously there's no way I can change your opinions on the preview but regardless of what any of you think of it, I'm glad that this remake is happening, since we don't get too many, if any, open-world crime games set in the 1920s to 1930s.

 

 

Edited August 28, 2020 by DownInTheHole

[D9fred95]

21 minutes ago, DownInTheHole said:

It's a remake in the same vein as Resident Evil 2 so obviously they would have to take some liberties to the script  to make it more in line with like a modern-day Netflix, Cinemax or HBO show. If you're expecting the same dialogue, VAs, cutscenes, textures. sound effects etc. for this you're better off just playing the original game, because obviously the end result for you would be nothing short of disappointing.

 

 

I personally don't have an issue with them redoing scenes. It just stuff like the Morello scene making less sense here than the way it was done in the original that's bothersome.

[Sergiu]

In a way it does make sense, this time around he's not hitting a random civilian, but a member of his own family.

 

The police still do not intervene because of the fear they have for Morello.

 

 

The only thing I can gather that's maybe worse than in the original is that this time around Morello is made to be a low IQ brawler guy who's just inherently evil and always angry. Fair portrayal of a 30s black hand mobster, yes, but I still feel like the cunning Morello from the original was better. He was spite incarnate.

[GhettoJesus]

1 hour ago, Sergiu said:

In a way it does make sense, this time around he's not hitting a random civilian, but a member of his own family.

 

The police still do not intervene because of the fear they have for Morello.

 

 

The only thing I can gather that's maybe worse than in the original is that this time around Morello is made to be a low IQ brawler guy who's just inherently evil and always angry. Fair portrayal of a 30s black hand mobster, yes, but I still feel like the cunning Morello from the original was better. He was spite incarnate.

He actually feels (and looks) a bit like his brother from the original, he seemed to be more of a muscle. Regardless I think his personality doesn't or at least won't differ much from the original. Sure the scene got remade but he is the same angry and sadistic guy as in the original. Although I feel like beating a civilian to near death just because of a traffic accident is already sadistic enough. Sure, I get it that beating a guy who gets you money is even more sadistic but still.

 

1 hour ago, DownInTheHole said:

Plus, Tommy actually drinks coffee in Running Man, that's f*cking dope man!

They made the mission nicely detailed and I hope they will add those little bit of extras to other missions as well. Honestly it's way better how you actually speak to your customers (and on this note generally the car dialogues were a needed addition). Makes it way more alive and immersive which the mission is supposed to be doing.

[LittleJesus]

Each to its own but I'm really liking the new cast especially Paulie, I find the trio chemistry more natural. The story and character dialogue its definitely gonna be the best of this game. 

My only concern so far is the look of some animations but that's about it.

[Sergiu]

They changed up the contrast a bit, moved a few props around, you'll notice a few more light sources in Salieri's office, a few more neon signs in the An Offer You Can't Refuse cutscene and last but not least differences in the weather templates, sun position and ambient colors in Running Man and Molotov Party.

[GhettoJesus]

On 8/28/2020 at 4:39 PM, Sergiu said:

They changed up the contrast a bit, moved a few props around, you'll notice a few more light sources in Salieri's office, a few more neon signs in the An Offer You Can't Refuse cutscene and last but not least differences in the weather templates, sun position and ambient colors in Running Man and Molotov Party.

Looks a bit better, I think they worked on the hairs as well plus the work they did with the lighting is great. Think they worked on the skins too? They don't look as smooth anymore on certain occasions.

 

Just noticed from another gameplay that the woman and man who were supposed to meet are still in the Running Man mission. Nice detail from the developers there.

Edited August 29, 2020 by GhettoJesus

[Original Light]

Not sure if this has been discussed yet, but a "Free Ride" mode is on the main screen.

 

 

[Ivan1997GTA]

14 hours ago, GhettoJesus said:

Look a bit better, I think they worked on the hairs as well plus the work they did with the lighting is great. Think they worked on the skins too? They don't look as smooth anymore on certain occasions.

 

Just noticed from another gameplay that the woman and man who were supposed to meet are still in the Running Man mission. Nice detail from the developers there.

Yeah. I hope the loading screen artwork from the original game will be reused as artwork for achievements/trophies for completing missions, since from the looks of the previews, the missions title cards have omitted the artwork.

[Acky.]

It feels like I’m the only one out of everyone on here looking forward to this? I’ve been so excited for any form of a new addition in the MAFIA franchise since III was an absolute sh*t show.

[Zello]

24 minutes ago, Acky. said:

It feels like I’m the only one out of everyone on here looking forward to this? I’ve been so excited for any form of a new addition in the MAFIA franchise since III was an absolute sh*t show.

Oh yeah I'm still getting it as much as I have criticized it lol. Just can't decide if I want to buy it digital or physical or if I want to just buy the entire trilogy.

Edited August 29, 2020 by Zello

[GhettoJesus]

2 hours ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

Yeah. I hope the loading screen artwork from the original game will be reused as artwork for achievements/trophies for completing missions, since from the looks of the previews, the missions title cards have omitted the artwork.

They would make for nice collectibles.

 

1 hour ago, Acky. said:

It feels like I’m the only one out of everyone on here looking forward to this? I’ve been so excited for any form of a new addition in the MAFIA franchise since III was an absolute sh*t show.

Nah if I had the PC for it I would be getting the game myself. After all I have yearned for a remaster for a long time and hell we are getting a remake instead. Above and beyond. I am very excited to see what the whole game has in store.

[Zello]

 

We can argue on Paulie's voice all day long but I gotta say Salieri's voice sounds very similar to Dennis Farina's voice and I like it.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Zello

[GhettoJesus]

Anyone feel like the Sarah scene at the end of Trip to the Country is kinda anticlimactic? The other scenes with her are very well done but I feel like that there is just a tad more downtime than there should be although she could have just felt that this was a hard day for Tommy and he isn't interested in chatter. Also Sarah is surprised at first but she just only raises her eyebrows and literally says "okay" to Tom's marriage proposal.

Edited August 30, 2020 by GhettoJesus

[Cutter De Blanc]

I have only significantly played Mafia 3 and did not enjoy what I played of the 2nd one. That being said, this remake on paper seems  like I would enjoy it, checks off a lot of boxes, but looking at it, it seems lacking fundamentally somehow, something I cant put my finger on. Like its just another open world game where I'll play it and then get bored with it after a few weeks, just like Mafia 3. 

 

I dont understand it, since I can play Rockstar and Bethesda open world games for years before getting tired of them. I suspect it has something to do with world design. Like this remake is going to have the freeroam between missions, but it really seems like they put it in there for its own sake, rather than having any reason to. Throwing in some random ass collectibles around the map that dont enhance gameplay in any way, there ya go! Now you have a reason to free roam, right? You free roam in a rockstar game because its fun to, you free roam in a lot of these other games just to tick more checkmarks off your 100% completion list.

 

I dunno, this game doesnt jump out at me, and seems like a petty cash grab. And thats probably the last I'll say on this subject.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Cutter De Blanc

[D9fred95]

15 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I have only significantly played Mafia 3 and did not enjoy what I played of the 2nd one. That being said, this remake on paper seems  like I would enjoy it, checks off a lot of boxes, but looking at it, it seems lacking fundamentally somehow, something I cant put my finger on. Like its just another open world game where I'll play it and then get bored with it after a few weeks, just like Mafia 3. 

 

I dont understand it, since I can play Rockstar and Bethesda open world games for years before getting tired of them. I suspect it has something to do with world design. Like this remake is going to have the freeroam between missions, but it really seems like they put it in there for its own sake, rather than having any reason to. Throwing in some random ass collectibles around the map that dont enhance gameplay in any way, there ya go! Now you have a reason to free roam, right? You free roam in a rockstar game because its fun to, you free roam in a lot of these other games just to tick more checkmarks off your 100% completion list.

 

I dunno, this game doesnt jump out at me, and seems like a petty cash grab. And thats probably the last I'll say on this subject.

Honestly the collectibles are welcome because the original didn't really have anything to do except literally explore around and drive all the different cars you unlocked at your leisure. I'm glad they're keeping freeroam because it was annoying in Mafia 2 where there was none so you had to replay chapters to find all the stuff around the map. Also, cars you unlocked in later chapters didn't carry over to earlier chapters when you replayed them so I didn't feel compelled to save certain cars as much as I'd like.

 

I'm hoping they somehow implement Freeride Extreme because that looked like it was alot of fun. I never got to play that mode because on PS2 we only got races in exchange.

[Jabalous]

23 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I have only significantly played Mafia 3 and did not enjoy what I played of the 2nd one. That being said, this remake on paper seems  like I would enjoy it, checks off a lot of boxes, but looking at it, it seems lacking fundamentally somehow, something I cant put my finger on. Like its just another open world game where I'll play it and then get bored with it after a few weeks, just like Mafia 3. 

 

I dont understand it, since I can play Rockstar and Bethesda open world games for years before getting tired of them. I suspect it has something to do with world design. Like this remake is going to have the freeroam between missions, but it really seems like they put it in there for its own sake, rather than having any reason to. Throwing in some random ass collectibles around the map that dont enhance gameplay in any way, there ya go! Now you have a reason to free roam, right? You free roam in a rockstar game because its fun to, you free roam in a lot of these other games just to tick more checkmarks off your 100% completion list.

 

I dunno, this game doesnt jump out at me, and seems like a petty cash grab. And thats probably the last I'll say on this subject.

I agree. Who would mind adding interesting stuff to find and stumble upon while exploring beside collectibles? Think of it as what we can find in Redemption 2's world (i.e. stranger missions, random encounters, interiors, NPC routines and dialogue). It's difficult to enjoy Mafia 1's type of open worlds in this day and age. It's just a remake anyway, so I understand why they didn't go this way, but they still could've if they wanted to expand the scope of the experience.

[GhettoJesus]

Any plotholes/stupid parts of the plot you guys wanna see fixed? My main gripe is in the Priest mission where Tommy clearly sees the Priest approaching the door (he is clearly visible as well) yet he just stands there instead of trying to back off.

Edited August 31, 2020 by GhettoJesus