Characters that you thought were wasted potential

[Niobium]

what are some characters in the GTA series that you believed did not live up to their full potential? i'll start

 

bulgarin - when we were first introduced to him, he was a powerful, ruthless and threatening man. but by the time TBOGT came along, he became a lot more goofy. he will only show ruthlessness on occasion, like cutting the cook's head off.

 

madrazo - similar to bulgarin, he started out as a powerful, ruthless and threatening man. then he got turned into a joke by f*cking trevor.

Edited May 5, 2020 by Niobium

[Tao Cheng]

On 5/5/2020 at 9:41 AM, Niobium said:

bulgarin - when we were first introduced to him, he was a powerful, ruthless and threatening man. but by the time TBOGT came along, he became a lot more goofy. he will only show ruthlessness on occasion, like cutting the cook's head off.

 

madrazo - similar to bulgarin, he started out as a powerful, ruthless and threatening man. then he got turned into a joke by f*cking trevor.

He's goofy because he didn't have prior bad history with Luis. It's like saying you want Russell Peters, a Canadian comedian, to be funny 24/7 when he has his own mundane moments. 

 

Trevor - made me not want to take this series seriously anymore.

[Lioshenka]

Lamar and Franklin. Each of them could be another CJ, Ryder or Big Smoke, but one just annoyingly babbles in the background while the whole purpose of the second one isn't really clear.

 

Come to think of this, Michael also had more potential, he could do stuff for the house or family.

[TheSantader25]

III: 8-Ball

Vice City: Sonny Forelli, Mercedes

San Andreas: Ryder

IV:Bulgarin, the families of the commission, Little Jacob(wish he had more missions)

V: Martin Madrazo, Franklin, Cheng Sr, Stretch

 

 

[MarshDanni]

5 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

III: 8-Ball

Glad to see someone mention 8-Ball, the guy could've been a great addition to the story, he could've been an ally 

[Algonquin Assassin]

Most characters I would've said have been said already, but for someone who hasn't been mentioned yet then Florian/Bernie.

 

As great of a story as GTA IV's is I've always found it a bit odd that one of the main reasons Niko travels to Liberty City has a relatively minor role. Of course once Niko figures out it wasn't him behind the betrayal he shifts his focus to Darko, but I still think Florian/Bernie could've been used more. He only has three missions and his relationship with Bryce Dawkins is used as leverage by Dimitri, but that's as far as it goes.

 

I was really interested in finding more about him because other than Darko and Roman he was pretty much the only other person who knew Niko from his time back in the old country and the war. 

[Bratva Assassin]

Martin Madrazo. He’s supposed to be this big and bad Mexican gangster yet the missions involving him are literally very minimal.

[Ondr4H]

Johnny K, yeah you get great dlc with him as badass and next game is killed like rat in few seconds.

 

DLC for nothing, at least he could act like main Trevor's antagonist .

 

Martin Mandrazo and Lamar, imagine all those gang wars or business missions .

 

But rockstar decided us to be FiB douches dogs...Wasted story for GTA .

[Copcaller]

Ray Bulgarian- he really should have been the final villain instead of Jimmy P

 

Ryder- imo it would have been cool to see him continue to work with CJ or he should have least died in green sabre loyal to sweet.

 

Martin madrozo- had the opportunity to be a interesting figure in V sometimes your friend or sometimes your enemy but instead we get the silliness of Trevor removing his ear and getting away Scott free. 

 

Most V characters in general are wasted potential. 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Copcaller

[Uncle-John]

Terry Thorpe which ofcourse is my favourite character could've made a great antagonist in his mission to avenge Johnny Klebitz but is killed not long after in the mission which I felt was wasted potential as I thought the Sgt at Arms had the potential to be a leader and a strong antagonist for Trevor who murdered Johnny and is gonna be given a hard time for it. he's an overall great character, same with Clay, it would've been Interesting to see how the grief in Johnny's death would of impacted them both and how they would come together with rallying The Lost to avenge Johnny.

also Johnny Klebitz could of been given a better death rather than the humiliating death he got with the hugging, being glassed and stomped so easily with little fight in him, i'd prefer if he died in that mission but at stab city being executed similar to billy after trevor kills most of the lost members there and Johnny saying the line "you waiting for a speech or something" and pulls out a knife which Trevor almost get gutted but shoots Johnny similar to how Johnny was almost stabbed by Billy.

[gtafaninwest]

Frankin. In the GTA V trailers, his story was so hyped. But he turned out to be a third wheel of the trio.

[kobeni]

Bryan Forbes in VCS. He's easily one of the more interesting characters in the game, but he only appears in 3 missions, which is kind of sad because he would've made a great corrupt DEA agent-type character.

[Niobium]

On 5/9/2020 at 5:47 PM, Uncle-John said:

Terry Thorpe which ofcourse is my favourite character could've made a great antagonist in his mission to avenge Johnny Klebitz but is killed not long after in the mission which I felt was wasted potential as I thought the Sgt at Arms had the potential to be a leader and a strong antagonist for Trevor who murdered Johnny and is gonna be given a hard time for it. he's an overall great character, same with Clay, it would've been Interesting to see how the grief in Johnny's death would of impacted them both and how they would come together with rallying The Lost to avenge Johnny.

also Johnny Klebitz could of been given a better death rather than the humiliating death he got with the hugging, being glassed and stomped so easily with little fight in him, i'd prefer if he died in that mission but at stab city being executed similar to billy after trevor kills most of the lost members there and Johnny saying the line "you waiting for a speech or something" and pulls out a knife which Trevor almost get gutted but shoots Johnny similar to how Johnny was almost stabbed by Billy.

a villainous johnny klebitz who would become the very thing he was against (a power-hungry psychopath like billy) would have been interesting

Edited May 11, 2020 by Niobium

[E Revere]

Toshiko Kasen. I know the Forellis say Japo and Italo blood don't mix well but I just really wanted to see them hold hands. But instead she just gets killed off while Toni watches soullessly.

 

And Dave Norton. I liked the friends-not-friends relationship he and Michael had. Unfortunately the game's lack of detail caused its lackthereof too.

Edited May 11, 2020 by henrardwal

[Phil Collin]

avery getting killed in lcs pretty fast 

[bahraini_carguy]

The first thing came into mind when I read the thread's title was Ray Bulgarin. I was honestly expecting to see an indepth story between Niko Bellic and Ray in GTA 4's storyline. Especially considering Niko's past with Bulgarin but nope,  instead we only saw him in like two missions and that's it. While it's nice to see him getting a bigger role in TBoGT, his personality left more to be desired. Not a bad character by any means tho.

 

Another one would be Ryder, his betrayal and death felt like a last minute change. They spent time building his character during the LS Missions but then cheapy kill him midway through the game. Characters didn't even care about Ryder betraying them as much as Big Smoke which felt odd. Almost as if Ryder didn't even exist and wasn't even supposed to betray the grove. I was hoping to see him further throughout the game with bigger roles, be it with or against CJ.

[Sunglasses]

Massimo Torini. LCS's big bad ended up being probably the most lackluster antagonist of the series. I would have liked to see more of his manipulation, more of the gang politics, it certainly would have made him a much more worthwhile character and halfway interesting.

[Evil empire]

If I had to choose one: Ryder.

[H-G]

- Instead of turning Ryder's character into something with very questionable quality, R* could've had him die as a loyal OG during the gunfight in "The Green Sabre". There, a simple and proper send-off.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Staunton Assassin

[macpo333]

I think Kent Paul. It would  be great to see him in HD universe. Imagine Kent Paul as a mission giver in GTA 5

[H-G]

On 5/12/2020 at 3:01 AM, henrardwal said:

Toshiko Kasen. I know the Forellis say Japo and Italo blood don't mix well but I just really wanted to see them hold hands. But instead she just gets killed off while Toni watches soullessly.

Any blood can mix well, it's just that the Forellis are depicted as somewhat racist during "A Date With Death" in LCS. Anyway, Toni wasn't exactly interested in Toshiko. He was in it for the money and needed to obey Salvatore's orders by stopping the Yakuza from expanding at all costs so I really can't see that happening. I think Toshiko had to die either way because Kenji and Asuka would've probably gotten her assassinated in retribution for Kazuki's death.

[muvdafucupouttahere]

Ryder, without a doubt. He starts off as one of the main characters in LS and is then turned into a traitor just for the sake of having a twist to the story. Not only was there no real motivation or foreshadowing, no one even acknowledges him. CJ tells Sweet about Smoke's betrayal and doesn't even mention Ryder. Then when CJ is having a discussion with Cesar and Kendl, Cesar mentions that the bad guys were Big Smoke and the two dirty cops, doesn't even mention Ryder at all. Then when it's time to kill him, it's so unceremonious that you would forget that Ryder was even there at all. You can tell R* didn't even know what to do with Ryder as the story progressed.

 

They want to kill off Ryder? That's fine. But do it in a way that's gonna impact the story. They could have simply killed him off at the Green Sabre mission, which I thought was the perfect mission to see his death. He goes out as a loyal badass, and it gives CJ more of a motivation to want to go after Smoke.

 

They want to make Ryder as an antagonist? That's also fine. But actually give him a real f*cking motivation for his actions, and have him play a bigger role as well. We could say Ryder betrayed the GSF because the PCP caused him to lose his mind and get paranoid (similar to how the coke f*cked up Tony Montana's mind in 'Scarface'). I would've had CJ confront Ryder sometime before the Riot mission and have the two engage in an epic gun battle. Ryder could've had a cool death and still go out as a badass. Even Jizzy B and T-Bone's deaths were more profound than Ryder's.

 

Overall, Ryder's character after Reuniting the Families was just poorly written and not well-executed at all, and unlike Big Smoke, Ryder just seems completely forgotten by many of the SA fans. Hell even OG LOC OF ALL f*ckING CHARACTERS is considered more memorable than Ryder. Waste of who could've been a great and memorable character.

 

BTW, if you are reading this watersgta3, I read your rewrite version of the storyline and you did a much better job at writing Ryder's character after the Green Sabre mission.

[Algonquin Assassin]

7 hours ago, muvdafucupouttahere said:

Ryder, without a doubt. He starts off as one of the main characters in LS and is then turned into a traitor just for the sake of having a twist to the story. Not only was there no real motivation or foreshadowing, no one even acknowledges him. CJ tells Sweet about Smoke's betrayal and doesn't even mention Ryder. Then when CJ is having a discussion with Cesar and Kendl, Cesar mentions that the bad guys were Big Smoke and the two dirty cops, doesn't even mention Ryder at all. Then when it's time to kill him, it's so unceremonious that you would forget that Ryder was even there at all. You can tell R* didn't even know what to do with Ryder as the story progressed.

 

They want to kill off Ryder? That's fine. But do it in a way that's gonna impact the story. They could have simply killed him off at the Green Sabre mission, which I thought was the perfect mission to see his death. He goes out as a loyal badass, and it gives CJ more of a motivation to want to go after Smoke.

 

They want to make Ryder as an antagonist? That's also fine. But actually give him a real f*cking motivation for his actions, and have him play a bigger role as well. We could say Ryder betrayed the GSF because the PCP caused him to lose his mind and get paranoid (similar to how the coke f*cked up Tony Montana's mind in 'Scarface'). I would've had CJ confront Ryder sometime before the Riot mission and have the two engage in an epic gun battle. Ryder could've had a cool death and still go out as a badass. Even Jizzy B and T-Bone's deaths were more profound than Ryder's.

 

Overall, Ryder's character after Reuniting the Families was just poorly written and not well-executed at all, and unlike Big Smoke, Ryder just seems completely forgotten by many of the SA fans. Hell even OG LOC OF ALL f*ckING CHARACTERS is considered more memorable than Ryder. Waste of who could've been a great and memorable character.

 

BTW, if you are reading this watersgta3, I read your rewrite version of the storyline and you did a much better job at writing Ryder's character after the Green Sabre mission.

I noticed that when I was playing San Andreas a few weeks back. He seems to be a villain for the sake of being one. In some ways he's worse than Stretch in GTA V because as sh*t as Stretch is as an antagonist atleast he has a proper motivation for screwing over Franklin whereas with Ryder it's just...well just because it seems.

 

I agree it would've been way better if he got killed during Green Sabre and it would've made more sense since he was just hot out of the oven so to speak. By the time Pier 69 rolls around he's stone cold and his death sucks as it's just like killing some random guy rather than a close childhood friend that sold his boys out.

 

[H-G]

Leo Teal - This has to be the most lacking character in the entire GTA series. According to the official Flash website of VC, and only according to it, he and his fellow undercover chefs are supposed to be responsible for attacking the deal at the beginning of the game. But in-game, Tommy just kills him with little to no evidence coming forth that he and his fellow chefs did it. Sometimes, VC's story feels like it's skipping some of it's pages.

[GhettoJesus]

III - 8 Ball, King Courtney, El Burro, D-Ice. I wish they were more involved in the story. I suppose King Courtney might be off the hook here because he ends up betraying you which adds to the story.

 

VC - Leo Teal, Cam Jones. I feel like Cam could have been a good mission boss for a few jobs. Kinda how you can do missions for Phil after the bank job.

 

SA - Ryder, Hernandez. Ryder is simply a badly written villain. No two ways about it, he was simply made a villain in the last moment. If they wanted him dead then he could have died as an OG either in The Green Sabre or in End of the Line. As for Hernandez, he could have been a bit more vocal or even try to interact with CJ to conspire against Tenpenny.

 

IV - Little Jacob, Dwayne, Ray Bulgarin. Little Jacob and Dwayne could have had more missions, Dwayne especially could have introduced us to what is it like in the projects and what was the golden age of his drug business like.

Bulgaring could have been a more active antagonist as well. Maybe he could have fought alongside Dimitri.

 

V - Franklin and Lamar. Their dynamic is really good. Someone who wants to get out of the gangbanger life because he realized that the golden age is gone while the other naively believes in it and wants to commit to it full time. I would rather had GTA V be about them.

 

[H-G]

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Edited May 28, 2020 by Staunton Assassin

[Algonquin Assassin]

19 hours ago, RenegadeAngel said:

Madrazo. He seems pointless for GTA V's type of story. Has too much potential to be flushed down the drain so miserably. Would love to see him in the next game if it's "drug related".

He's kind of got the same problem as Bulgarin in GTA IV. The only difference is Madrazo is set up like a ruthless minor antagonist (a bit like Vlad), but then Trevor bites off his ear and he kind of turns into a limp dick. WTF?

[jaylenpizarro12]

  gordon saint michael wade

Edited July 18, 2020 by jaylenpizarro12

[Copcaller]

On 5/27/2020 at 3:21 AM, Staunton Assassin said:

Leo Teal - This has to be the most lacking character in the entire GTA series. According to the official Flash website of VC, and only according to it, he and his fellow undercover chefs are supposed to be responsible for attacking the deal at the beginning of the game. But in-game, Tommy just kills him with little to no evidence coming forth that he and his fellow chefs did it. Sometimes, VC's story feels like it's skipping some of it's pages.

Imo he should have been the VCS playable character he seemed to be respected as a skilled contract killer and assassin.

[DJ-Jelly-Doughnut]

8 Ball. He was all over the place for anything related to GTA 3 back in the day. Then he barely makes an appearance in the actual game... I also would have liked to see more about Kent Pau. He was the reveal for Vice City to begin with! Kent Paul's Nostalgia or something along those lines.