What does griefing mean to you?

[rusbeckia]

IMO griefing begins when someone spawnkills you relentlessly. Everything else is just regular and expected gameplay.

[DarkReign27]

Well most people said what griefing really is already but the griefing I've been having and why i never trust anyone is the being nice then shooting you. The first Gang hide out in Beta (Never forget your first time right) when I first got the game, a guy waved at us and shot both my friend and I dead while looting shot us right in the back with a shotgun I'd consider that griefing. They are almost always in black or no shirt with overalls with terrible shooting skills.

 

Now I've had roughly 20 emotes done to me in the life span of the game because GTA and this game pretty much any R* game online has taught me to never go near anyone they aren't waving to be a buddy. Out of the 20 that even came near me I remember only 2 didn't attack me, acting friendly gaining trust to get close is griefing. Also the ramming me off my horse then going into a shop is pretty common or TNT or shooting fire arrows while I'm just fleeing ya fun stuff definetly griefing, so friendly yay GTA in the West.

 

Things'll never change though, always realize it I just quit when this happens no pleasure for killing that way. Would be nice to go near people or sit in a saloon without it being lit on fire but I really don't witness friendly time when I see more than one dot in one area, all my friends quit this game I just wander in it sometimes but that was last week this week haven't played it again. I can see where GTA6 is going they should stick to single player they're good at it. Just be play'n story on that one for me no more of these R* rules/logics, griefers, or shinanigans it's gotta die with this game for me sadly such stressful times in this company's games also they sure seemed to have abandoned this one even before COVID, no money in horses huh. 

[AmyStone]

7 hours ago, rusbeckia said:

IMO griefing begins when someone spawnkills you relentlessly. Everything else is just regular and expected gameplay.

Well it would depend on whether you have done anything to deserve it. If someone shoots me in the back then I'll do that and won't care what rank they are.

[Rotarl]

4 hours ago, AmyStone said:

Well it would depend on whether you have done anything to deserve it. If someone shoots me in the back then I'll do that and won't care what rank they are.

Had exactly that happen to me in my very last session. Greeted a duo of rank 30somethings. Got shot. They hid at camp. I went to Valentine and there they were. Shot me again and tried to kill my horse.

One died once and hid in the General Store. The other was being used for target practice. The first one came back, we traded a few kills and he decided to Parley.

Mind you: They only wanted to kill my horse which was revived no less than 6 times.

At that point they're just taking the p*ss.

[Direwrath]

9 hours ago, DarkReign27 said:

Well most people said what griefing really is already but the griefing I've been having and why i never trust anyone is the being nice then shooting you. The first Gang hide out in Beta (Never forget your first time right) when I first got the game, a guy waved at us and shot both my friend and I dead while looting shot us right in the back with a shotgun I'd consider that griefing. They are almost always in black or no shirt with overalls with terrible shooting skills.

This is why you can never let down your guard even when a player seems to be complacent. Most of my emotes are sent to a player high tailing it away from me on their horse and I don't blame them, sometimes if you let a player get too close you learn to regret it. I'll always give every player the benefit of the doubt before I react, paying close attention to their movements before I encounter them, if they give me an indication that they might be trouble I will be vigilant. But I don't want to be the kind of player that shoots at every random player that comes by me, by doing so I am becoming the very thing in this game that I do not care for. 

 

5 hours ago, AmyStone said:

Well it would depend on whether you have done anything to deserve it. If someone shoots me in the back then I'll do that and won't care what rank they are.

In these situations I don't consider it griefing to get some sort of revenge if you've been attacked by another player for no legitimate reason. If they start a fight, obviously they want a game and it's their fault if they cannot rise to the challenge. If they wanna start off by playing dirty, than they are foolish to believe that they are not owed the same courtesy.

 

59 minutes ago, Rotarl said:

Had exactly that happen to me in my very last session. Greeted a duo of rank 30somethings. Got shot. They hid at camp. I went to Valentine and there they were. Shot me again and tried to kill my horse.

One died once and hid in the General Store. The other was being used for target practice. The first one came back, we traded a few kills and he decided to Parley.

Mind you: They only wanted to kill my horse which was revived no less than 6 times.

At that point they're just taking the p*ss.

If they weren't willing to fight they could have just as easily left you alone. You retaliated against their griefing behavior and they couldn't stand their ground, all you did was turn their game back around on them. Nothing wrong with that.

[Caysle]

yesterday I got griefed by 3 bugmen, one is a low level who parleyed after I got some kills on him, other is a not so smart bugman who got out of defensive mode just a few meters from me. got him carcano'd multiple times then he left the session like the pussy he is

last one was high level posse leader who just shot everyone he came across, he got me 2-1. he used explosive repeater second time, then bailed. I got express explosive pamphlet right after that. turns out I've paid thousand for a paper that told me to put express ammo with animal fat lmao, that's not really thousand dollar information brother

I guess I don't mind getting shot by other bugmen as long as I beat them and they get visibly butthurt over it (parley, leaving the session or slurs from dm)

[SynVok]

On 5/5/2020 at 5:15 PM, Direwrath said:

Defensive is a joke and so is parley, you can be destroyed in defensive with a simple stick of dynamite. And parley? It takes the player already being killed for that to make a difference. Face it, players choosing to mess with other players for the "thrill" of it...

And to compare the beginning of the game to what we have now is not really working, back when the game started we were all on the same ground. Now you have high level players with explosive arrows and cards that give an advantage against lower level players who go without, not to mention the players who have learned to mess with the game somehow and find exploits to use. 

It seems the digital world of RDO is fraught with risks. Kind of the the point of an 'online multiplayer' game. Has to be some surprises and interaction. As for higher level players having advantages, isn't that the point? We've all been low level players, and the advantages made us want to level up. Circle of life.

[Direwrath]

1 hour ago, SynVok said:

It seems the digital world of RDO is fraught with risks. Kind of the the point of an 'online multiplayer' game. Has to be some surprises and interaction.

 

This idea would work if the game did not give players game modes for the ones who want pvp over pve, but they do. You want to shoot up other players, showdowns are available. If you want to involve yourself in a shootout during a mission another player is on, you have the opportunity to do so after a certain time has passed with most of them. You want to steal a wagon, look for a player involved in a mission, there you go. But if a player is not involving you in their own game and are in defensive just leave them alone. Just because this is "online" and "multiplayer" it does not give any player the right to invade another player's right to play. You do realize that some players just want a way to play this game with their friends right? Or maybe they enjoy the fact that they could create a life of their own in this big beautiful world that R* has given them? If R* gave many the opportunity to play their characters offline with a group of friends I'd bet they will do it just to alleviate the problems of players who like to infringe upon them. The option isn't there so we are left with this. If I want to play gunslinger I go into offensive or do missions that allow player vs player interactions, or I do showdowns, I never go out and interfere with another player's game time. 

 

1 hour ago, SynVok said:

 As for higher level players having advantages, isn't that the point? We've all been low level players, and the advantages made us want to level up. Circle of life.

No, I do not believe in bullying lower level players just because I am high level. Never have, never will. Should they attack me, I will fire back if they are using dirty tactics, but one shot killing a player again and again is just not something I find entertaining. Normally even if they irk me I kill them once and move on, my way of telling them not to be so stupid in the future. At that point they get the same response any other player will get, they're just lucky I get bored easily, because sometimes they deserve to be chased off the server. Hell, when I have low levels come at me with the bounty missions that they are given I toy with them using my weakest guns and let them kill me to finish their mission. You'd be surprised how many lower levels come riding up to collect that bounty, pause, and start riding the other way when they see my level. Lol, I'll chase them down and force them to shoot me dead so they don't lose. I don't see low level players as easy targets, I'm more willing to help them out over shooting them dead.

 

For me this "trigger happy" attitude that some players seem to take this game for ruins it because the better interactions that I could get from other players are marred by the bad incidents that they and I have had with griefers. You want to hang out in a saloon and drink with other players, so do I. But there are times when I ride into town when every player in town makes sure to keep their distance from me so that just isn't going to happen. I can emote kind greetings all I want but due to griefers everyone's fingers are on their triggers and they are so high strung they don't really want to interact. Do I love interacting in this game, heck yeah! I love seeing the names players give their horses, and I love seeing everyone else's characters. I want to get into a good old bar room brawl every once in a while, but bad interactions have made the player base uneasy. 

 

Trying to explain this almost feels like I keep repeating myself. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Direwrath

[netnow66]

59 minutes ago, Direwrath said:

Trying to explain this almost feels like I keep repeating myself. 

Some of us get what you're saying. Others won't...and they're the ones you have to watch out for. They're the ones I've blocked and reported in RDO since this game began.

 

I find it funny that of the two games I play most right now, the very players that I block while playing one (RDO) are players that I would love to play with/against in the other (CoD). Go figure.

 

As far as RDO, if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times--if I couldn't play in glitched solo/private lobbies to avoid certain types of players, I'd probably leave this game.

[Krommer]

On 5/5/2020 at 7:42 PM, CosmicBuffalo said:

I get a popup telling me one of my Moonshiner customers has been captured and I need to free her. 

 

Whoa, I wish that happened to me!

Been moonshiner and max honor too, since it was added. Never had that happened a single time.

 

It is lame other players hung around and killed her.

 

I always follow the golden rule, I stay out of other player's hair and expect the same.

 

This seems easier where I play, around Hennington's Stead and the desert; way less people seem to bother you, than if you are up around Valentine or something.

I also have never seen anyone in these areas trying to mess up my Moonshine delivery. I've actually had a couple of people HELP, shooting revenuer's or something.

I also wonder if sometimes I made the right choice in playing a female character I always try to wear a skirt, so it  is even more obvious at a distance.

 

Lately I've only had REALLY obvious "newbs" mess with my long distance trader sale (which only has one bag, by the way, since I'm only doing it to get "distance in a delivery wagon" or "long distance delivery with a wagon" whatever, otherwise I blow up the wagon and just use the horse unless it specifically mentions "in/with a wagon.") They must get the "prompt", that there is a rival trader and they can go offensive to mess with them, because suddenly it gives me a warning and the player is red. Since I was prepared for this, I already have my bolt rifle with the explosive rounds and am level 200 plus whatever as well. Plus, I drink a moonshine or health tonic. So maybe that other player barely does anything, then gets blasted with the explosive rifle. The funny part is, they COME BACK , then they get it again. I think it is newbs because other players know it isn't worth it, seeing that tiny butt wagon.

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Krommer

[Buddy Hightower]

On 5/1/2020 at 12:06 PM, AmyStone said:

I'm curious what people think griefing means. One thing I enjoy (because it's exciting) is trying to steal other player's sales. I've been called a griefer before for doing this. I never go after a single low ranks because it's a but mean. But if there is a posse of three then they are fair game. Rockstar puts a big red blob on the map so it's part of the game as far as I'm concerned. Also, if someone shoots me in the back randomly then I'll go after them relentlessly. I don't care what rank they are. They can either parley or leave.

 

I actually think it's hard to get griefed in this game. You are only 1 kill away from a parley usually so you can nearly always make it stop.

 

What does griefing mean to you?

Griefing would be:

1. cheating / hacking
2. following players into other lobbies by using their username to track them

[Hiply]

Griefing, ok, here goes:

Hijacking someone's long distance trade run is not griefing - the game specifically tells you that you are now at risk.

Being in offensive mode and getting headshot out of nowhere is not griefing - you put yourself out there.

Now then, what I think griefing is:

A player becomes a griefer when their actions against another player are motivated solely by getting enjoyment from ruining someone else's gameplay.  

To whom it may concern: If you began an interaction with another player with the specific intent of ruining their time in the game and you're now laughing because it worked and they bailed or raged at you in chat then you, my friend, are a griefer.
 

[Direwrath]

9 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

Griefing would be:

1. cheating / hacking
2. following players into other lobbies by using their username to track them

 

Regular griefing is not a reason to report a player, at least in my opinion. But if they are obviously abusing the game mechanics to cause trouble or stalking you then yes, they need to be reported.

[ALifeOfMisery]

What does griefing mean to me?

 

R* announcing a PS5 remaster of a 7 year old game with a video showing footage from 2013 and saying f*ck all about RDO.

 

Yeah, that feels like I've been griefed.

[Looted]

Griefing;

 

1) When players exploit bugs and game mechanics to harass other players.

 

2) when a group of player's literally assault or kill repeatedly or chase another player to a place where they can not retreat from.

 

3) verbal abuse; ie racial slurs, predjudicial comments said at any point.

 

4) Batman.

Edited June 13, 2020 by Looted
Grammer

[eighthdoctor]

1) Cheating and/or using glitches to make yourself immune to being killed by other players (especially when you started harassing them in the first place);

2) following players into different lobbies in the hopes of catching up with them to continue harassing them;

3) ganging up on single players in (especially) large posses making it an unfair fight;

4) continuing to follow a player repeatedly after they've expressed more than once that they do not want to fight/feud with you either via mic, private message or by firing upwards into the air with a gun to send a warning;

5) going out of your way to harass those players who are in Defensive Mode and do not wish to be bothered with those who choose to be in Offensive Mode;

6) joining the Trade Route and Master Archer free roam events just to kill players who genuinely want to do the actual objectives when you already have 5-6 free roam events specifically aimed at shooting other players to stay at the top of the leader board;

7) ambushing players outside (supposed) safe zones when they are minding their own business or in a mission or are simply buying/selling at places like the butchers or fences (had this happen to me twice this week at the Rhodes fence).

 

(Some people here may disagree about the harassment of players at safe zone areas during missions etc but I still think it's a scummy & sh*tty thing to do and honestly makes you look like an assh*le who picks on easy targets.)

Edited June 14, 2020 by eighthdoctor

[Non Funkable Token]

On 6/12/2020 at 11:39 PM, Hiply said:

Griefing, ok, here goes:

Hijacking someone's long distance trade run is not griefing - the game specifically tells you that you are now at risk.

Being in offensive mode and getting headshot out of nowhere is not griefing - you put yourself out there.

Now then, what I think griefing is:

A player becomes a griefer when their actions against another player are motivated solely by getting enjoyment from ruining someone else's gameplay.  

To whom it may concern: If you began an interaction with another player with the specific intent of ruining their time in the game and you're now laughing because it worked and they bailed or raged at you in chat then you, my friend, are a griefer.
 

More or less, this.

 

Although being in offensive isn't an indication of anything per se, IMO. One thing is to stick around another player for too long, which is suspicious, and other thing is to just pass by minding your own business. 

[ScrappyBauer]

I don't treat Red Dead Online like i do GTAO, in gta i'm toxic asf but Red Dead usually doesn't bring that out of me unless i'm attacked first, i sometimes have my moments when i start looking for fights but most of the time i'm max honor. I feel like in general the Red Dead community is super chill and i treat it accordingly. I like playing different games with different mindsets.

Edited June 14, 2020 by ScrappyBauer

[Nerfgoth]

On 6/12/2020 at 11:39 PM, Hiply said:

Being in offensive mode and getting headshot out of nowhere is not griefing - you put yourself out there.

Just being in offensive is not asking for free roam pvp.

5 hours ago, eighthdoctor said:

7) ambushing players outside (supposed) safe zones when they are minding their own business or in a mission or are simply buying/selling at places like the butchers or fences (had this happen to me twice this week at the Rhodes fence).

This! And do not forget fishing.

[netnow66]

7 hours ago, Nerfgoth said:

Just being in offensive is not asking for free roam pvp.

I guess we're all playing this game a little differently because  my current view of the game is that if you choose to be in offensive mode, you're asking for whatever happens to you. Offensive mode is a green light saying "Go" in my opinion.

 

Hell. if I'm in offensive mode, I don't even report it when I get attacked because I view that as my fault. When I get attacked while in defensive mode, win or lose, I report and block the player on PSN.

[Nerfgoth]

24 minutes ago, netnow66 said:

I guess we're all playing this game a little differently because  my current view of the game is that if you choose to be in offensive mode, you're asking for whatever happens to you. Offensive mode is a green light saying "Go" in my opinion.

 

Hell. if I'm in offensive mode, I don't even report it when I get attacked because I view that as my fault. When I get attacked while in defensive mode, win or lose, I report and block the player on PSN.

Don't we all?

 

I do occasionally pvp in free mode events and it kick me out of defensive. So when all load back in I'm not in the mode for pvp.

Same with after showdowns.

[Guest]

When a jackass won't stop bothering me.

[Buddy Hightower]

Griefing means there's no new content to keep players busy...

[eighthdoctor]

9 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

Griefing means there's no new content to keep players busy...

Yeah but there's plenty of other games to play instead of resorting to harassing other players in one game who are just trying to do their own thing. I understand griefers' boredom but at the same time it's not other players' responsibility to entertain griefers.