What does griefing mean to you?

[AmyStone]

I'm curious what people think griefing means. One thing I enjoy (because it's exciting) is trying to steal other player's sales. I've been called a griefer before for doing this. I never go after a single low ranks because it's a but mean. But if there is a posse of three then they are fair game. Rockstar puts a big red blob on the map so it's part of the game as far as I'm concerned. Also, if someone shoots me in the back randomly then I'll go after them relentlessly. I don't care what rank they are. They can either parley or leave.

 

I actually think it's hard to get griefed in this game. You are only 1 kill away from a parley usually so you can nearly always make it stop.

 

What does griefing mean to you?

[Lonely-Martin]

14 minutes ago, AmyStone said:

What does griefing mean to you?

The end of RDRO before it really began. 

 

The lack of lobby choice kills the game dead given we have no choice but to suffer it or quit and f*ck about with reloading which is hit and miss, parley too.

 

But I do agree it's part of the game, just disagree with it not being optional.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[The Shakermaker]

I can remember driving a wagon ages ago for a mission or something. It got destroyed, I am sure it was by another player. I thought to myself, no point in actually bothering with doing it again. This would infuriate some players though, and I can understand why. To me griefing is preventing another player doing what they want to do, whatever that is. 

[GrungeNinja]

I think attacking other players is part of the game, giving its own theme "Old West Era", its expected, so if the mission involves player vs player, one that is not fond of such mode, should avoid it entirely for not being frustated when it happens with a sad end. I understand people who feels more confortable with private sessions, but RDO is friendly enough to offer you the tools to deal with shenanigans, defensive mode is an excellent idea, proximity system (I think Blips even should be removed), your trader cargo is not lost when other players steal/destroy it, and since you can change sessions at any time, it doesnt really matter if someone is bothering you, I say this, being the case of encountering a very high skilled player/posse or a hacker, I play solo on pc, currently at rank 217, and even on GTAO that is a game way more agressive griefing wise than RDO, I still prefer to play on public sessions, because seeing other players around doesnt make me feel lonely. And if someone attacks me, I will do everything to payback, like OP said, no matter what they are, thats what I like in online sandbox with pvp elements, you can punish people if you think they deserve, acts and consequences.

Answering the thread question, griefing to me is when someone tries to down, harass, bully and shame you in every way they can til their inner bizzar ego is filled, then move to another target. Summing up, a sociopath.


 

Edited May 1, 2020 by GrungeNinja

[1898]

Part of the game, I'd be bored if there was no risk. 

 

I never fire the first shot or go after anyone's goods but if I'm attacked I can fight back or kill their horse and leave but I won't give any SOB the pleasure of making me parley or go defensive. It rarely happens anyway. And I'm not trying sound like I'm one of the hot-shots out there cause I ain't. I was a lot better at PvP in RDR1, it was also about 10 times more fun.

[CosmicBuffalo]

Griefing is interrupting players for no reason other than to bother them.  Is not limited to gameplay can involve messages, following, and any type of harrassment.  Stealing goods is not griefing.  Although players will report you for griefing and cheating if you beat them at anything.

[Enchilada]

 

 

Offensive players trying to knock you out of defensive mode. 

RDO free roam is NOT Pvp. It is a hunting simulator for animals and npcs. You will never have a fair fight against another player. That’s why I stay in defensive so I have a chance to react to unsuspecting attacks.

 

and I’m not even going to mention the griefer uniform and typical load out. I’m a first gen player and I miss the one handed revolver fights. But I can’t do that anymore because I’m scared of over powered bow and arrows
 

 

 

[Direwrath]

Griefing to me is when a player continues to act aggressively toward another player when that player is in defensive mode or trying to retreat. Shooting players with dynamite while sitting on top of a building or sniping players from a ridge is borderline for me and really, why do something like that? Firing at the back of a player who is riding away or dropping them with a head shot when they are not showing any signs they intend to return fire is griefing to me. And shooting a player's horse to get them to engage, or to give them a lack of options to get away is also griefing to me. I will always allow two shots aimed at my direction before I will pull my gun, sometimes people hit the fire button instead of the emote button, and sometimes they are just players looking for something to do and I feel that is a way to try to engage a player into a fight. If they don't continue to shoot at me as I move away from them then I know their intentions, but if they keep coming at me, or raise the power of the shot to kill me, than to me that is someone just being a jerk and I move on if I can. Should they persist, I pull out the big guns. Now I understand that people like to play this game like it's a lawless wild west movie, but not every player wants to play that way and it's just an asshole move to force them into that. If they're in defensive, just leave them be. Why is that so hard for some people to grasp? Luckily this game is not as bad as GTA, most players are good players and my experiences with others in game are usually positive, albeit, sometimes hilarious and crazy.

[netnow66]

3 hours ago, The Shakermaker said:

To me griefing is preventing another player doing what they want to do, whatever that is. 

That says it for me.

 

17 minutes ago, Direwrath said:

 If they're in defensive, just leave them be. Why is that so hard for some people to grasp?

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by netnow66
saw another comment that makes sense to me

[Gray-Hand]

Griefing is any act committed for the main purpose of annoying or antagonising another player.

 

It isn’t griefing just because someone gets angry, even if their anger would be a reasonable and natural reaction to an act committed for another main purpose.

 

So, if your reason for stealing someone else’s supplies, is to get some supplies, that’s not griefing.  If you stole their supplies because you enjoyed them getting mad, that’s griefing.

 

You’re still a dick, because you know full well that you are most likely spoiling what little fun there is to be had in this game for someone else, destroying their work for your enjoyment, but that doesn’t make you a griefer.

[kcole4001]

To me it's shooting me when I'm obviously just riding by or searching for a collectible or treasure.

 I will retaliate, kill your horse, use explosive ammo, whatever until totally outnumbered, then I'll walk away...not run, mind you, walk.

 

It's actually pretty rare lately, most players respect each other's space and often greet each other.

 

Much more common are cheaters using some kind of mod menu exploding, dropping, teleporting, etc.

These morons can f*ck off to whatever battle royale game or GTA that lets them cheat or use god mode.

[Lemoyne outlaw]

i think griefing is anytime someone kills or ruins someones fun. or bothering them when they are doing their own business. and there are plenty of griefing posses that gang up on solo players. i have had it happen to me multiple times. one time i spawned in and was just looking at the daily challenges and all of a sudden i get killed. and i was just standing there not even armed. and then when i spawn they kept chasing me. that has happened many times. or a time when i was bringing in a bounty and i was coming in town then i got blown up somehow and nearly lost my bounty. people like that are griefers and assholes. i have run into too many of them. and usually when i get ganged up on i have to break out my explosive rounds. desperate times call for desperate measures. players that gang up on one player are just a bunch of cowards. they are just too scared to have a real fight. i would have loved to see it be a fair fight. the way i figure it. if you want to kill either do one of the following.

 

1. go in singleplayer and go on rampages. i know it might not be as satisfying as killing players. but its still fun.

 

2. play the pvp modes. instead of being a bunch of cowards teaming up against one person or low level players. how about have a fair fight. and get rewarded for it too.

 

3. play call of duty. killing is the only thing in that game.

 

 

[Tez2]

Griefing is when someone goes to such lengths to annoy you and interrupt what you are enjoying, if you were to go after someone's wagon to simply destroy it, that would be called griefing.

When you are chilling out in either Valentine or Saint Denis and someone kills you, that's called griefing.

Same case if the player who shot you in the back, decided to parley or ran away yet you chased him whenever he goes.

Everyone has a "hulk" in their lives, but don't give it control much of your life. Know when it's time to stop because that would save you the time you would waste.

 

[RyuNova]

[Caysle]

I caught a bugman trying to burn my horse outside of rhodes post office, made him leave session and got a mom slur. to me it's trying to get me to pvp when im not doing pvp

[TCA]

Running their horse full speed intentionally into to knock you off and then shoot you (Definitely a thing).

Trying to provoke you into fighting by shooting you when in defense mode etc. etc. there’s more but yeah.

 

These and what others mentioned are good reasons to shove an explosive arrow up their ass.

 

Also the ones that start crap with you and then keeps getting killed trying to run away.

 

Example;

Me and a buddy was getting ready to FT last night. I had to go to armadillo to stock my ammo back up. I noticed on the screen after cleaning my weapons that

 

Player A killed Player B(my friend lvl 39) I asked him what happened and he told me that Player A came up to him and shot him in the head when he was trying to change his outfit on his horse. I told him to hang on I’m coming back. I did just that and killed Player A twice...they immediately went into parley.

Edited May 2, 2020 by TCA

[Hiply]

I think a simple definition is:

Any act taken with the sole goal of angering or upsetting another player.  If you do something with no other reason than to get someone else upset, and that's what's getting you off, then you're a griefer.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons for players to go after other players, or their mission objectives, and I'm not referring to those.  I'm referring to the actions taken for no other reason than to harvest salt.

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by Hiply

[Ronin Ogami]

16 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

To me it's shooting me when I'm obviously just riding by or searching for a collectible or treasure.

 

Or othwrwise minding my own fraking business in any non threatening way.

 

I especially don't get the sloped forhead types who camp out vendors & bother people there. 

[RyuNova]

I mean this with as much respect as I can but I wish people on the GTAO side of this forum would think like people in this topic do. If I am minding my own business and you attack me for no reason out of paranoia you are the griefer. I won't go as far as to say your stuff is free game but if you then proceed to attack me each time I spawn or send your friends after me, I will make it my mission in the game to destroy everything you and your friends own.

[Direwrath]

On 5/1/2020 at 3:26 PM, kcole4001 said:

To me it's shooting me when I'm obviously just riding by or searching for a collectible or treasure.

 I will retaliate, kill your horse, use explosive ammo, whatever until totally outnumbered, then I'll walk away...not run, mind you, walk.

 

It's actually pretty rare lately, most players respect each other's space and often greet each other.

 

Much more common are cheaters using some kind of mod menu exploding, dropping, teleporting, etc.

These morons can f*ck off to whatever battle royale game or GTA that lets them cheat or use god mode.

I just had one of these types try to kill me when I was collecting the brush at the Rhodes saloon. Player was low level and I figured something was up because they spooked my horse away from me at first. Lol, made my horse go kill some things and come back without his luxurious flaxen locks. Anyways, shooting me in the head after I come out of the interaction spell with the object is not something I take kindly too. I was still in defensive when they pulled out the lasso, so I couldn't get a good shot in at first, but was able to get a good hit in with the butt of my gun before the law came to get them. Afterwords I shot 'em in the back after they broke free from the lawman's grapple, the times for playing it fair were over when they tried to head shot me like they did. And R* rewarded me with a disconnect right afterwards, I was mad. Normally I don't raise my gun so fast for one bullet, but the player's intentions were obvious in my mind.

To me this was someone trying to grief, but not being very good at it. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[kcole4001]

Griefers often aren't very good, this ain't GTA, and there's no big radius of death from an exploding rocket.

It's obvious when something gets started accidentally, and that sure wasn't it, so they get what they ask for in my opinion, there are no rules.

They gotta learn not to start stuff when they don't know how to finish it.

 

I will note you ignored the little box of jewellery on the table on the right, always pick that stuff up and sell to the fence (or hold on to it until selling 3 items to the fence is a daily). 

 

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14 hours ago, Ronin Ogami said:

Or othwrwise minding my own fraking business in any non threatening way.

 

I especially don't get the sloped forhead types who camp out vendors & bother people there. 

Those are the ones I come back for on foot: load up my explosive ammo, kill their horse, the horse of anyone with them, and then dispose of them too.

That's usually enough to get the message across.

I'll generally get on my horse and ride away after that, if they follow then they get more of the same.

Edited May 3, 2020 by kcole4001

[Buddy Hightower]

On 5/2/2020 at 2:14 AM, Fun 2 said:

Griefing is when someone goes to such lengths to annoy you and interrupt what you are enjoying, if you were to go after someone's wagon to simply destroy it, that would be called griefing.

When you are chilling out in either Valentine or Saint Denis and someone kills you, that's called griefing.

Same case if the player who shot you in the back, decided to parley or ran away yet you chased him whenever he goes.

Everyone has a "hulk" in their lives, but don't give it control much of your life. Know when it's time to stop because that would save you the time you would waste.

 

None of that is griefing. It's simply playing the game as it is presented.

If anything is griefing it is R* and their refusal to allow invite only sessions.

Don't hate the players for doing what the game invites them to do.

[Tez2]

3 hours ago, Buddy Hightower said:

None of that is griefing. It's simply playing the game as it is presented.

If anything is griefing it is R* and their refusal to allow invite only sessions.

Don't hate the players for doing what the game invites them to do.

It is.

No dumb outlaw would destroy the wagon he was seeking to steal.

Also griefing is to annoy other players or ruin their experiences, it doesn't matter what the game tells you to do, it's still called griefing.

Edited May 3, 2020 by Fun 2

[Commander S]

On 5/2/2020 at 8:14 AM, Fun 2 said:

Griefing is when someone goes to such lengths to annoy you and interrupt what you are enjoying, if you were to go after someone's wagon to simply destroy it, that would be called griefing.

When you are chilling out in either Valentine or Saint Denis and someone kills you, that's called griefing.

Same case if the player who shot you in the back, decided to parley or ran away yet you chased him whenever he goes.

Everyone has a "hulk" in their lives, but don't give it control much of your life. Know when it's time to stop because that would save you the time you would waste.

 

 

Pretty much. I don't get all that many griefers when I play the game (most folk just seem to get on with whatever they're doing), but there's occasionally the odd player who clearly just wants to kill other players on sight, for no other reason than cheap lulz. And it definitely constitutes griefing, because there's no point to it - you just wind up getting in a shootout with law enforcement, and you've interrupted someone else's experience, because ...why, exactly?

 

The problem with RDO (inherited from GTAO) is with stuff like deliveries/free roam jobs, where the game encourages players to intercept cargo/wagons - sure, you can avoid it, and it is an intended mechanic, but the end result is that R* is ...kinda encouraging a griefer-like mindset. Particularly because (in my experience), people get petty, and destroy stuff out of spite towards the other party - I'm sure the intent from the RDO dev team is that it's all done with a sporting attitude, no hard feelings, etc., but c'mon, that's not how anonymous random players actually interact with each other. There's a world of difference between two people in the same room dicking around with each other for a laugh, and someone just trying to get something done to earn money, only to get someone persistently trying to shoot them and steal their stuff, even though it's something the game tells rival players to do.

[RyuNova]

Is it on purpose that the majority of griefers make their characters look like seriously inbred "The Hills Have Eyes" characters? I don't get it, is it some form of Hive Mind or shared delusion? Its either that or the classic "White Robes" look that was popular during the BETA.

Edited May 3, 2020 by RyuNova

[CosmicBuffalo]

^If there is an opportunity to get a rise out someone, griefers will exploit it...whether it be their profile picture, user name, posse name, type of weapons...when you embrace this type of game play, every thing in your control becomes a potential way to annoy other players that you're bothering...outfit and character appearance is one of the easiest ways to get a message from someone showing their annoyance and is a win for a griefer...usually the uglier and weaker you can make yourself look and still continue to one up players is sure way to get a rise out of them.

 

These little tricks are very powerful and can almost overcome your ability to not respond (which is exactly what they want) especially if you are being repeatedly beaten.  Even when you are full well aware of these tactics.

Edited May 3, 2020 by CosmicBuffalo

[AmyStone]

On 5/1/2020 at 7:53 PM, The Shakermaker said:

 To me griefing is preventing another player doing what they want to do, whatever that is. 

Ok, I don't think that quote works. If I try to steal someone else's sale and they prevent me from doing it then are they griefing me?

[Shotgun-Pauley]

ok do u guys or GRIEFING people who read this know there a thing called TIME all have one life and lets say i been grinding 2 days to sell a 111 warehouse to buy that car that come out last week . Now i have 1 more check point to go to make that 4 million then out of no where someone blows it up for $2500 that's nothing not even worth it money all because your horrible C U N T  That dont think of others 

 

Now people on xbox if are selling in a public big lobby DONT do a thing called Nat Test before u sell , you go on network settings then click on NAT Test then as quick as u can go back in the game i been doing this since 2013 and i had not 1 delivery blown up as i don't give the C U N T  the time or day now ps4 and pc players go on youtube and look up how u get a solo public as i only know the xbox way 

 

But yh thats why its wrong say if the person cargo u blow up he or she had cancer only had a couple days left to live dont matter who you do it to u take days of time of someone so for me its not cool 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Shotgun-Pauley
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[Direwrath]

14 hours ago, kcole4001 said:

Griefers often aren't very good, this ain't GTA, and there's no big radius of death from an exploding rocket.

It's obvious when something gets started accidentally, and that sure wasn't it, so they get what they ask for in my opinion, there are no rules.

They gotta learn not to start stuff when they don't know how to finish it.

 

I will note you ignored the little box of jewellery on the table on the right, always pick that stuff up and sell to the fence (or hold on to it until selling 3 items to the fence is a daily). 

 

Lol, yeah I remembered it as I was heading out the door, intending to run back in but R* decided to disconnect me. 

 

It's true though, most griefers rely on glitches or have to find some way to one up you every time. The ones on rocket bikes in GTA are funny, get most of them off that bike they can be killed by a low level 23 with a basic SMG. Sometimes being overly confident can be a downfall.  

1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

Is it on purpose that the majority of griefers make their characters look like seriously inbred "The Hills Have Eyes" characters? I don't get it, is it some form of Hive Mind or shared delusion? Its either that or the classic "White Robes" look that was popular during the BETA.

I figure they don't really care to actually invest in the game enough to care about their characters, they're just there to get some thrills killing players and, like CosmicBuffalo said, it's to get a rise out of other players. Most players take care to make their characters an individual and when a griefer comes in with their half naked, scrawny, barefoot, foolish looking character they know they are going to tick you off if they kill you. Like they're mocking the investment you have made. 

 

3 hours ago, Commander S said:

 

 

Pretty much. I don't get all that many griefers when I play the game (most folk just seem to get on with whatever they're doing), but there's occasionally the odd player who clearly just wants to kill other players on sight, for no other reason than cheap lulz. And it definitely constitutes griefing, because there's no point to it - you just wind up getting in a shootout with law enforcement, and you've interrupted someone else's experience, because ...why, exactly?

 

The problem with RDO (inherited from GTAO) is with stuff like deliveries/free roam jobs, where the game encourages players to intercept cargo/wagons - sure, you can avoid it, and it is an intended mechanic, but the end result is that R* is ...kinda encouraging a griefer-like mindset. Particularly because (in my experience), people get petty, and destroy stuff out of spite towards the other party - I'm sure the intent from the RDO dev team is that it's all done with a sporting attitude, no hard feelings, etc., but c'mon, that's not how anonymous random players actually interact with each other. There's a world of difference between two people in the same room dicking around with each other for a laugh, and someone just trying to get something done to earn money, only to get someone persistently trying to shoot them and steal their stuff, even though it's something the game tells rival players to do.

I still don't understand how R* thought that this was such a great idea? Not everybody wants to play nice, it isn't in their mindset. And without anyone there to actually monitor and counteract the bad players it just leaves the other players frustrated or even scared to interact with anyone else. It's hard to actually emote anyone a greeting anymore because once they see that you are paying any mind in their direction most players flee and they have every right to be timid. Look at how volatile social sites like twitter or facebook can be, R* couldn't be that naive to think that all the players would be buddies with one another.

 

Back to the original post, no if someone steals a delivery wagon or one of the wagons from a mission that I am doing I will not consider that griefing. I actually invite players to come and try to take it, this is the one time that I know I can possibly get into a real gunfight with another player who isn't just trying to be a griefer. I say bring it on Bandits! 

[Hiply]

It's never going to happen, but; one way to mitigate some of this would be persistent servers instead of P2P.  Eventually most griefers in a persistent environment would wind up on KoS lists and become an object of sport instead of an annoyance.