MyNameIsNotImportantBro 855 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Just now, Collibosher said: Ideas for the next GTA: -normal protagonist -normal story You know how to get people excited! R* game presents; GTA 6: A normal story about a normal guy Coming in 2023 Pre-order now! I think you didn't get the meaning of my comment Link to post Share on other sites
Collibosher 2,027 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, marquuard said: Basically the problem is that if you have no opinion about homosexuality, or oppose its representation because of different values, whether in movies or games, you will be stigmatized as an ignorant idiot who is stuck in the Middle Ages and thinks only traditional women can give birth. On the other hand, if you have an opinion on homosexuality, or if you stand up for it, you are the traitor of the nation who denies traditional values and do not mind that traditional male-female roles are ruined. Sorry but there really is just one conclusion; Homosexuals do exist and it's not a choice or "value". The existence of homosexuality is not a matter of ones "opinion" as they don't cease to exist even in the most traditional cultures. Therefore being "against" it is eternally invalid stance. 13 Link to post Share on other sites
DonnieVega 407 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, OmarMohammed said: I think you didn't get the meaning of my comment And I think you don't get the meaning of what it is to be gay. I'm sure you know people who are gay. Seeing as you seem to be from Egypt they'll probably be closeted but still they could be your friend. Are you horrified about this? That you, a person of such upstanding morality might be friends with a gay? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
MyNameIsNotImportantBro 855 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, DonnieVega said: Seeing as you seem to be from Egypt they'll probably be closeted but still they could be your friend. I have a lot of friends in Egypt, none of them are closeted, and there is no sexual relationship at all, tbh I don't like to talk about these kind of subjects, and I don't even know why I commented on this in the first place. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DonnieVega 407 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said: I have a lot of friends in Egypt, none of them are closeted, and there is no sexual relationship at all, tbh I don't like to talk about these kind of subjects, and I don't even know why I commented on this in the first place. I know why you commented. You're a little confused. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Kirsty 37,673 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 hours ago, OmarMohammed said: I guess I have sh*tty opinions, thanks man. I mean yes, you kinda do, but that's just my opinion too, man. People are allowed opinions, but the problem is the entitlement people think it gets them on deciding what is good for GTA and the rest of the fanbase. Think of the amount of women and LGBTQ people working on creating and developing GTA games for you to play. Think of the gender ratio and sexual orientations ratio of gamers as a whole, it's probably 50:50 under any "label" you want to give. I've seen countless threads like this over the years and every time I read comments like these my eyes get lost rolling so far into the back of my head. Normally it's not worth biting over it because its the same rinse and repeat comments as we always get, and tbf this should probably go in a "female protagonist" topic than a "gay protagonist" topic but oh well. "I want a normal protagonist" as if men are the only gender in the world to play games "I want to be able to f*ck hookers and go to the strip club" as if GTA is their personal wet dream and doing this as a woman wouldn't be tantalising enough "It won't be realistic if a woman shoots a gun" as if women can't be killers "It won't be realistic if a woman beats up a guy" as if women can't lift "sexuality isn't part of GTA so why should R* cater to gays" as if protagonists in recent games haven't been portrayed as straight with girlfriends/ability to have girlfriends "homosexuality offends my religion and I don't want it in my face" as you're not playing a game called Grand Theft Auto which is soaked with equal amounts of satire and crime "why have R* got to start representing other groups just because other companies are" as if every single game in the GTA series has been anything other than a straight male. We had a game of 3 protagonists in one enormous game and they still didn't offer something new. Other companies might be acting overly "woke" for bad reasons but at least they are offering variety. TDLR; You can state your preference is a straight male protagonist without needing to sugar it with blind ignorance. Something different is not something bad, and Rockstar doesn't need to cater to the people who have these complaints. 20 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MyNameIsNotImportantBro 855 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kirsty said: homosexuality offends my religion and I don't want it in my face" as you're not playing a game called Grand Theft Auto which is soaked with equal amounts of satire and crime I never said that homosexuality offends my religion, I just found that a gay protagonist will be disgusting IMO But thanks for information sir and clearing the topic Link to post Share on other sites
marquuard 1,980 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said: But thanks for information sir and clearing the topic actually ma'am 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Western Gunslinger 1,963 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) The thread really produced a lot of salts 52 minutes ago, Kirsty said: homosexuality offends my religion Lol, I'm actually muslim, and I rarely bothered about homosexuality, as long as it's not included solely for Political Correctness 42 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said: I just found that a gay protagonist will be disgusting IMO But why? It's not like a gay people want to f*ck every guys they saw, they only like guy they found attractive, just like how straight people are attracted to attractive opposites Edited May 2, 2020 by Legion of Hell 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Spider-Vice 43,359 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Getting closer and closer to the lock. What matters is that we get to see the true side of some of our members in these topics 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Officer Ronson 3,969 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Do we really need a gay protagonist? These days diverse characters are not nuanced or anything really, they're just there because developers felt they needed to add artificially insert characters that stray out of the norm without making them actually people, instead their whole identity revolves around what they are, not who they are. What if we had a racist character who changed his ways? That wouldn't be a normal character either, but I guess we aren't keen on that either to explore how a racist person comes to be. What if we had a practicing character? I bet most would mock him for his faith despite the violence he generates. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JESUS CHRlST 294 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 I mean, aren't we all at least a little bit gay in the end? I know I am! (just a tad tho) 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
imViolet 327 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 My opinion on it? Most of you need to grow the f*ck up. Women play video games too, I can attest to that first hand. We exist. Gay people do too. There's nothing wrong or "disgusting" about either. Might I remind you that one of the games was literally f*cking titled "The Ballad of Gay Tony"? 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites
IzzyBlues 1,863 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 This thread in a nutshell. 4 9 Link to post Share on other sites
Grotti Vigilante 1,286 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) I don't think I'd care too much about a gay protagonist. Matter of fact you could just as well use it as to why the protagonist is a bit of a crazy sociopath. Sexual repression can be very dangerous, especially for men, so imagine a gay character whose not able to properly express his sexuality and ends up the way he is. While homosexuality may not be illegal, it doesn't mean people still find it acceptable. With a country as conservative as the United States, I'd be surprised if there wasn't any stigma against it in some parts. For a place like Liberty City or San Fierro it won't matter, but for Vice City I imagine you'd do a lot better with the repressed individual. Perhaps they turned to the criminal underworld because not only are they sexually repressed, they feel society doesn't care for them, so they chose to be a criminal working against it. It's not like the homosexuality would show either. Tony Prince could probably pass himself off as straight if he wasn't known as "Gay Tony". After all, it's only really a stereotype that homosexuals are feminine men who dress in pink, talk in a feminine voice, and have the face of Eddie Izzard. For the most part, it's easy to hide being gay. It's how they lived in the past after all, and it's not like it's a total non-issue for many in western society. Homophobia is still a real thing. Now granted, I'd still prefer my protagonist to be straight. I prefer them to be womanising bad boys who can pick up prostitutes and enjoy going the strip clubs, even though they aren't really my thing in GTA. It wouldn't be something I opposed though in all honesty. I mean very few of the protagonists actually were womanisers, so it's no big deal if they aren't. Edited May 2, 2020 by Grotti Vigilante 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,214 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Please don't lock this guys. It's fun. Link to post Share on other sites
kingcs 706 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 8:04 AM, Schwartzxz said: this is only a matter of opinion but for me its like a specific role in the movie. it cant be played by anybody. GTA protagonist needs to be a masculine guy. another reason I want a masculine guy who f*cks hookers more now than ever is because it would feel very forced right now if they had a protagonist who is trans, gay or a woman. I would like to see them to go against that. Im not completely against the idea of having a woman as a protagonist. just not right now and certanly not as the only protagonist. This guy wants Donald Trump as the protagonist. Fragile masculinity and all. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
The Time Ranger 2,791 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, JESUS CHRlST said: I mean, aren't we all at least a little bit gay in the end? I know I am! (just a tad tho) Can I ask you a question I always wanted to ask the real Jesus Christ? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ash_735 17,273 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said: but for Vice City Just to pull on this one, Miami-Dade itself is like the Gay Retirement Capital of America, if anything that's where you're MOST likely to see rich older gay men and women or even flamboyant ones depending on which scene you hang around, there's an older movie even depicting this part of Miami called "The Birdcage", if Rockstar ever got to do an expanded Vice City and make it much bigger, they could easily represent this part of modern Miami as well as the more crime ridden parts, after all Florida Man antics are mainly in other parts of Florida. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Grotti Vigilante 1,286 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ash_735 said: Just to pull on this one, Miami-Dade itself is like the Gay Retirement Capital of America, if anything that's where you're MOST likely to see rich older gay men and women or even flamboyant ones depending on which scene you hang around, there's an older movie even depicting this part of Miami called "The Birdcage", if Rockstar ever got to do an expanded Vice City and make it much bigger, they could easily represent this part of modern Miami as well as the more crime ridden parts, after all Florida Man antics are mainly in other parts of Florida. I stand corrected then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
D T 3,205 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Nah mate, you got banned for being a bigoted dipsh*t. 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JESUS CHRlST 294 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, The Time Ranger said: Can I ask you a question I always wanted to ask the real Jesus Christ? I guess so... kinda felt like I've done enough already, you know, dying for everyone's sins and all... But sure go ahead. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
El Penguin Bobo 3,328 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 This thread's only been around for a day and already got 4 pages... it's not looking too pretty either. Link to post Share on other sites
The Wolf Man 1,451 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, JESUS CHRlST said: I guess so... kinda felt like I've done enough already, you know, dying for everyone's sins and all... But sure go ahead. Liar. This is what really happened. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
José_Sócrates 199 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Only if it's a female protagonist. Even though I don't care much about that sh*t, I still want the option to go to strip clubs and f*ck whores. Not because I like to do that sh*t in the games, but because it's GTA and GTA ain't really GTA if you can't spend money on women. Link to post Share on other sites
The Time Ranger 2,791 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 58 minutes ago, JESUS CHRlST said: I guess so... kinda felt like I've done enough already, you know, dying for everyone's sins and all... But sure go ahead. Am I handsome? Link to post Share on other sites
DexMacLeod 1,875 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 It seems more and more like half the internet is just completely blind to the idea of a middle ground or subtly. Why do so many people think that the protagonist has to either be straight or flamboyantly in your face and kissing other dudes all the time? A gay protagonist could be as simple as a comment here or there. Or maybe there's just two different strip clubs and a wider variety of prostitutes and you get to choose which ones you interact with, if any. I don't get why the thread would be locked. I understand it's easier than giving out warnings, bans, and deleting posts but silencing the conversation entirely sends a terrible, terrible message. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MrBreak16 1,162 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Why is there so much weird discussions all of the sudden? Link to post Share on other sites
José_Sócrates 199 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, DexMacLeod said: Or maybe there's just two different strip clubs and a wider variety of prostitutes and you get to choose which ones you interact with, if any. That would only work with a bi protagonist, which in my opinion could be the best option to appease both genders in terms of strip clubs and sex workers. Link to post Share on other sites
The Wolf Man 1,451 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 The way I see, there is no need for a discussion. Every GTA has a new set of characters and a totally new plot. So it is completely viable to create a story with a gay protagonist if R* wants to. Nobody is asking to modify an already estabilished character. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
