GTA VI Protagonist & Diversity

[Wolfman_ 1,679]

Shepard from the Mass Effect trilogy can have a gay romance. It's not an uncommon thing for videogames. I won't be surprised if it happens in GTA 6 or in future installments.

Edited May 1, 2020 by The Wolf Man

[Zello 21,557]

3 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said:

Probably 21+ like they did with RDR2

No just what type of organized crime groups they can join. Instead of being a mobster, Triad, etc that aren't really the most progressive people. They would have to be a freelancer/Hired gun like Claude and Niko or a bank robber.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Zello

[Wolfman_ 1,679]

4 minutes ago, Zello said:

No just what type of organized crime groups they can join. Instead of being a mobster, Triad, etc that aren't really the most progressive people. They would have to be a freelancer/Hired gun like Claude and Niko or a bank robber.

Bill Williamson from RDR2 is gay and he's an outlaw just like John and Arthur. It really depends on what kind of story R* is going to tell.

[Zello 21,557]

Just now, The Wolf Man said:

Bill Williamson from RDR2 is gay and he's an outlaw just like John and Arthur. It really depends on what kind of story R* is going to tell.

Outlaw not the Mafia different types of people and crimes that they commit.

[Wolfman_ 1,679]

2 minutes ago, Zello said:

Outlaw not the Mafia different types of people and crimes that they commit.

But maybe the Mafia boss is a progressive/idealistic guy just like Dutch is. Like I said, R* can work it through if they want to.

[Zello 21,557]

6 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

But maybe the Mafia boss is a progressive/idealistic guy just like Dutch is. Like I said, R* can work it through if they want to.

 

 

That just doesn't happen. If they find out they kill them.

 

 

I don't know why this matters anyway R* hardly does Mafia focused stories these days. So they could make a gay protagonist and not deal with the Mafia at all just look at V.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Zello

[Wolfman_ 1,679]

3 minutes ago, Zello said:

I don't know why this matters anyway R* hardly does Mafia focused stories these days. So they could make a gay protagonist and not deal with the Mafia at all.

Indeed.

[billiejoearmstrong8 5,813]

I feel like it's unlikely the next protagonist would be in the mafia unless the game was set in Liberty City. And that also seems unlikely given they were there two games ago and not long before that they already had a mafia guy in LC protagonist. 

[kingcs 709]

We already had Trevor. He was at least bi. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by kingcs

[DexMacLeod 1,944]

I can't really see any good argument against it. The idea that there's "too many gay people in stuff already" is just ridiculous though. I don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face. If there's too many gay people in media and you're sick of it, why have you not gotten sick of how many straight people are in stuff? Or cops, or doctors, or lawyers. Damn near every type of person in America has been represented millions of times over in media but, for some reason, gay people (the least represented) are the only ones that don't get a pass.

 

I do think it'd be a terrible decision if being gay was a focal point of the story, though. I also think it'd be a terrible decision if their straightness was a focal point of the story. What gender my video game character is or isn't sexually attracted to isn't something I really care about.

 

 

[gig 2,264]

When I saw this thread accumulated 3 pages in 14 hours:

Spoiler

 

[TheSantader25 7,295]

The f*ck are you on about? We already had one before it was cool. Tommy frickin Vercetti. 

[Zello 21,557]

8 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

The f*ck are you on about? We already had one before it was cool. Tommy frickin Vercetti. 

 

[Jasperathome 295]

its kinda the norm now to have someone gay in anything because if they dont they get s*** if they do and they do it the slightest bit wrong they get s*** theres no way to win and i think people are sick of having these out there gay people shoved into every crack of every movie tv show etc but same with what i said about a female protagonist if done right im fine with it

 

and the reason that people are getting sick of having these super flamboyant gay guys is because yes theres alot of straight people in stuff but they dont talk about how they are straight every minute of every day where when someone portrays a gay guy they are so annoyingly trying to show you constantly that they are gay its irritating if its just that the guy is gay and he doesnt act like a arrogant person either trying to call everyone a homophobe and saying that being gay is better, im fine with it

Edited May 2, 2020 by Jasperathome

[Niobium 11,801]

a gay protagonist would be cool, as long as they are well-written. i wonder how strip clubs and hookers would work though....

 

EDIT: lmao at the salt this thread has inevitably brought. an invicible, drug-addicted cannibal rapist hillbilly who runs around in his dirty underwear and abuses people weaker than him is a-ok, but a gay protagonist is too much. this site is a f*cking joke sometimes.)

Edited May 2, 2020 by Niobium

[Niobium 11,801]

10 hours ago, OmarMohammed said:

I don't want a gay character, I just want a normal protagonist.

i guess i'm not normal :((

[Zello 21,557]

26 minutes ago, Niobium said:

lmao at the salt this thread has inevitably brought. an invicible, drug-addicted cannibal rapist hillbilly who runs around in his dirty underwear and abuses people weaker than him is a-ok, but a gay protagonist is too much. this site is a f*cking joke sometimes.)

 

Don't forget his love of wearing dresses.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Zello

[Niobium 11,801]

11 minutes ago, Zello said:

 

Don't forget his love of wearing dresses.

it's not even like he's wearing dresses because he is LGBTQ and wants to show his gender expression or whatever. he's wearing dresses because rockstar did it for the lols.

 

11 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

Has Trevor ever really confirmed as being "bisexual"? I know it's implied throughout GTA V, but I always assumed he was just taking the piss because he's supposed to be unhinged and well just doesn't give a f*ck (no pun intended). Even if this is the case he's shielded somewhat with two other straight male protagonists. 

 

Anyway I don't want to sound homophobic as I understand homosexuality isn't a choice, but we've gone through how many protagonists now where they've been straight males? Why at this stage in the series why R* feel inclined to make the protagonist "gay"? Truthfully if he was gay I wouldn't care as long as he's well written and interesting, but unless him absolutely being gay is a required element for his backstory or even the story itself I just don't see the point exploiting his sexuality.

 

I mean seriously how many video game protagonists (not other characters) are actually "gay"? I don't think it's because developers don't want to be inclusive, but it's rare a protagonist's sexuality (gay or straight) is brought to the forefront because I assume developers just can't think of a way to tie it into the story or something. I don't know. 

 

I'm convinced R* could still make a female protagonist work in the right circumstance since female protagonists in games aren't that uncommon, but making the protagonist gay I feel would be barking up the wrong tree for the sake of something that would probably bring them more trouble than it's worth. If Jack Thompson was still a lawyer I'm sure he'd have a field day with something like this. I have absolutely no problem with LGBT characters being included as minor or major characters as it adds realism and diversity to the character set, but a protagonist who is always at the centre of attention is a different league.

 

Sometimes you're better off just leaving things be IMO.

you can take a character's identity and have it be woven in with the story in a clever way.

 

take johnny the jew for example. he's always loyal to his brothers and honest, but despite that, billy and brian think he is a rat. his heritage is part of why billy and brian don't trust johnny. their anti-semitism is the root of their distrust. "the market has a value for everything, and i guess that a disloyal jew bastard ain't worth sh*t to me." i like how they made johnny's heritage an actual part of the story, and not something that doesn't matter or affect the plot. that's what i think they should do with a gay protagonist (if they make them gay), as long as it is written well.

 

also who even remembers or cares about jack thompson anymore? he's a loser 😂😂😂

Edited May 2, 2020 by Niobium

[Lemoyne outlaw 2,708]

no just no.

[Kirsty 38,046]

1 hour ago, Niobium said:

i guess i'm not normal :((

 

Don't worry, most of the sh*tty opinions in this topic don't reflect the staff here or even half the fanbase, really.

 

 

[MyNameIsNotImportantBro 862]

1 hour ago, Kirsty said:

 

Don't worry, most of the sh*tty opinions in this topic don't reflect the staff here or even half the fanbase, really.

 

 

I guess I have sh*tty opinions, thanks man.

[newb0rn 308]

3 hours ago, Kirsty said:

 

Don't worry, most of the sh*tty opinions in this topic don't reflect the staff here or even half the fanbase, really.

 

 

Lesbian Kirsty when. 

[Budz 270]

Wouldn’t mind it. Just can’t see Rockstar doing it again.

[Western Gunslinger 2,173]

I wouldn't mind personally, but only 1 question remain

 

Why?

[MyNameIsNotImportantBro 862]

 I'm getting the f*ck out of here before sh*t gets intense.

Edited May 2, 2020 by OmarMohammed

[Algonquin Assassin 50,929]

Realistically if R* were going to do a gay protagonist he'd probably be modeled similarly to Tony Prince who isn't openly flamboyant about his sexuality, but it still forms a big make up of his personality. The guy is literally called "Gay Tony" afterall.

 

[TheSantader25 7,295]

I personally don't have a problem. The problem for me arises when I see threads like this. The moment developers ask themselves whether or not should they do a female protagonist or a Homosexual protagonist is when I know things might go bad. It should never be like this.

 

They shouldn't do these protagonists just for the sake of it. "Guys we never had one before so we HAVE to do it now" is a poor reason to do this. Just like straight characters, others shouldn't be different as well, they should naturally be introduced when the writers feel like they are needed for their "narrative". GTA IV and the two DLCs are prime examples. A lot of LGBT characters in there with loads of stereotypical "lol ur gay" jokes yet they all feel like natural characters that contribute to the story. Unlike many other occasions in the media where these types of characters feel forced, GTA IV in my opinion executes this naturally.

 

If R* manage to that again, I would be grateful. Just like any other time when they do any other character right. Also another note, being gay or trans should never be a "defining" characteristic for a character. They are "people". Surely they should have broader characteristics as fictional characters than just "Yo. I'm gay." 

So there's that as well. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by TheSantader25

[marquuard 2,842]

Basically the problem is that if you have no opinion about homosexuality, or oppose its representation because of different values, whether in movies or games, you will be stigmatized as an ignorant idiot who is stuck in the Middle Ages and thinks only traditional women can give birth. On the other hand, if you have an opinion on homosexuality, or if you stand up for it, you are the traitor of the nation who denies traditional values and do not mind that traditional male-female roles are ruined.

 

It should be noted that there is never a consensus on issues where personal opinion and personal perception needs to be expressed. Not just on the issue of homosexuality, but nowhere. Personally, it would bother me because of the way I see the world and the way I want to see it. Nor am I that extremely liberal-minded in other areas of life. However, it must be recognized that these types of conversations always come to a dead-end. Whatever is planned at Rockstar, be well executed and everyone will be fine.

[MyNameIsNotImportantBro 862]

How about a normal protagonist with a normal story, instead of the bs that is in the topic?

[Collibosher 2,063]

32 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said:

How about a normal protagonist with a normal story, instead of the bs that is in the topic?

Ideas for the next GTA:

-normal protagonist

-normal story

 

You know how to get people excited!

 

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A normal story about a normal guy

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