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GTA VI Protagonist & Diversity

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Has Trevor ever really confirmed as being "bisexual"? I know it's implied throughout GTA V, but I always assumed he was just taking the piss because he's supposed to be unhinged and well just doesn't give a f*ck (no pun intended). Even if this is the case he's shielded somewhat with two other straight male protagonists. 

 

Anyway I don't want to sound homophobic as I understand homosexuality isn't a choice, but we've gone through how many protagonists now where they've been straight males? Why at this stage in the series why R* feel inclined to make the protagonist "gay"? Truthfully if he was gay I wouldn't care as long as he's well written and interesting, but unless him absolutely being gay is a required element for his backstory or even the story itself I just don't see the point exploiting his sexuality.

 

I mean seriously how many video game protagonists (not other characters) are actually "gay"? I don't think it's because developers don't want to be inclusive, but it's rare a protagonist's sexuality (gay or straight) is brought to the forefront because I assume developers just can't think of a way to tie it into the story or something. I don't know. 

 

I'm convinced R* could still make a female protagonist work in the right circumstance since female protagonists in games aren't that uncommon, but making the protagonist gay I feel would be barking up the wrong tree for the sake of something that would probably bring them more trouble than it's worth. If Jack Thompson was still a lawyer I'm sure he'd have a field day with something like this. I have absolutely no problem with LGBT characters being included as minor or major characters as it adds realism and diversity to the character set, but a protagonist who is always at the centre of attention is a different league.

 

Sometimes you're better off just leaving things be IMO.

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The Wolf Man
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Everything can work.

 

Female protagonist, gay, transexual etc... as long as it is done naturally and not forced into the story as a means to satisfy some sort of political (or personal) agenda. 

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OmarMohammed
3 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

Everything can work.

 

Female protagonist, gay, transexual etc... as long as it is done naturally and not forced into the story as a means to satisfy some sort of political agenda. 

I don't want a gay character, I just want a normal protagonist.

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D T
8 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said:

I don't want a gay character, I just want a normal protagonist.

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Gay people are normal you f*cking dunce.

 

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OmarMohammed
Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, D T said:
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Gay people are normal you f*cking dunce.

 

I don't even know why I commented on this thread, well thanks smartass (btw stfu)

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Ash_735
25 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said:

I don't want a gay character, I just want a normal protagonist.

Oooh now we're into the good stuff, aka, people showing their ass.

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WanteD1
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I have no problem with gay people but it's so stupid  all new movies and new games are about gay people!
TLOU2 and Cyberpunk 2077 will support Gay people! it's Enough!
But GTA no! I hope not! especially if game is in 80s it will be a stupid thing to do and R* is so smart...!

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MarshDanni

How about a choice to make your character gay if you want? Why the f*ck do any character need to be predefined in their sexuality, let them be what the players want them to be and everything's fine

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Jabalous
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How about a normal, engaging and believable Crime story and protagonist? There's no need to cater to personalities that are rarely seen in real crime or crime fiction. There would be need for the writers to push sexuality into the story dialogue and events. it's a series revolving around crime fiction and not commentary on sexuality and other societal issues, except in radio chatter and other in-game media. V had enough of that in the story and I'm hopeful that nothing like it would sneak into the writing again. Any rare crime-based personality would turn me off instantly, like in the instance of the game featuring a female protagonist. 

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Ash_735
7 minutes ago, WanteD1 said:

TLOU2 and Cyberpunk 2077 will support Gay people! it's Enough!
But GTA no! I hope not! especially if game is in 80s it will be a stupid thing to do and R* is so smart...!

Cyberpunk supports Straight, Trans, whatever YOU choose to be.

 

Also, "especially if the game is set in the 80s" yeah, it's not like there was anything going on in the 1980's that was centred on homosexuality or anything. Good grief.

 

The best part is, all the people complaining about "GTA wouldn't work with a woman because..." are also against a Gay/Bi protagonist when in this situation, a Gay/Bi Male protagonist would be even easier to pull off as being in the criminal world considering how many actually are in the world. Not all Gay people are "prancing fairies".

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Zello

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Trevor wasn't straight....

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marquuard
3 hours ago, OmarMohammed said:

I don't want a gay character, I just want a normal protagonist.

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Zello
Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Not all criminals are straight and the protagonist's sexuality isn't a particularly important aspect of the game.

A lot of criminals spend time in prison. Prison is notorious for dropping the soap and homosexual relationships. Some guys not all who spend time in prison might be gay when they get released especially if they were in there for a long time. Some of it could just be an exaggeration seen in movies and TV shows maybe a lot more guys would compromise and jack off into a tissue instead of ever thinking about banging another guy but I'm sure it does happen.

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Bloodytears1666

Lesbian would be nice, with a lot of sexual scenes and such.

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ArmenianAssasin77
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Gay people are normal you f*cking dunce.

 

No not really in my opnion.

But hey thats my opinion!

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WapitiWarrior1899
8 hours ago, ArmenianAssasin77 said:
8 hours ago, ArmenianAssasin77 said:

 

And they probably wont because it would ruin the experience of muslim and christian gamers.

 

Im not for it or against it,, i don't care,,, i dont have nothing against gays but I just wish they dont but it in every place like basicly literally every netflix produced show has gay love story now. Its more of a gayflix at this point lol wtf.

.....but If you are so much of a christian/muslim then why are you even playing video game where you murder, sell drugs and rob etc in first place,,,,? I mean,,, isnt that also a a sin?

 WholeWelllitItalianbrownbear-size_restrikekw at the double standards

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Damien Scott
12 minutes ago, Bloodytears1666 said:

Lesbian would be nice, with a lot of sexual scenes and such.

Yes, great idea! By the way, Neil Druckmann could write the story now that Dan is gone.

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Zello
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I'll just leave this here. The most badass character in history who happened to be gay.

 

 

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ArmenianAssasin77
2 minutes ago, WapitiWarrior1899 said:

Im not for it or against it,, i don't care,,, i dont have nothing against gays but I just wish they dont but it in every place like basicly literally every netflix produced show has gay love story now. Its more of a gayflix at this point lol wtf.

.....but If you are so much of a christian/muslim then why are you even playing video game where you murder, sell drugs and rob etc in first place,,,,? I mean,,, isnt that also a a sin?

 WholeWelllitItalianbrownbear-size_restrikekw at the double standards

Its not about my religion, but i dont want to see 2 dudes kissing in a GTA game thats lame AF

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Zello
Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, ArmenianAssasin77 said:

Its not about my religion, but i dont want to see 2 dudes kissing in a GTA game thats lame AF

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Kinda happened already buddy.

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WapitiWarrior1899
7 minutes ago, ArmenianAssasin77 said:

Its not about my religion, but i dont want to see 2 dudes kissing in a GTA game thats lame AF

There has not been any type of kissing scenes or options in r* games as far as i can remember. Not straight or gay.

...Except both in Bully but only if you chose to.

I dont want to play as gay character because i can't relate to it,,, but if theres multiple protagonists and one of them is gay, it would not bother me at all.

I just don't want it to be "pushed to my face" 50% of time like netflix does nowadays.

 

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OmarMohammed
30 minutes ago, WapitiWarrior1899 said:

but If you are so much of a christian/muslim then why are you even playing video game where you murder, sell drugs and rob etc in first place,,,,? I mean,,, isnt that also a a sin?

What should we play then? Subway surf?

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WapitiWarrior1899
3 minutes ago, OmarMohammed said:

What should we play then? Subway surf?

maybe. Theres tons of games that would fit better for that religious person than gta

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billiejoearmstrong8
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On 5/1/2020 at 4:28 PM, SonOfLiberty said:

Has Trevor ever really confirmed as being "bisexual"? I know it's implied throughout GTA V, but I always assumed he was just taking the piss because he's supposed to be unhinged and well just doesn't give a f*ck (no pun intended). Even if this is the case he's shielded somewhat with two other straight male protagonists. 

 

 

Well yeah, but if you don't give a f*ck what the gender of people you have sex with is you're not straight regardless of whether you don't give a f*ck about anything else either lol. If the three hang out after finishing the story Franklin asks Trevor if he's gay and he says (paraphrasing) "yes...no...labels man...do you want me to be gay?" and then says like, whatever makes me happy is what I do. Throughout the game he also makes comments like "I'd rather suck dick than smoke weed, and I've done both", (on having sex with men in prison) "When in Rome..." etc. And we can clearly see that during the game he's attracted to men as well as women (his behaviour with Floyd and Wade, things like groping the young guy when he's pretending to be a cop, and also only half jokingly flirting with guys like Lamar in a non intimidating way). So although he might prefer not to be labelled it's reasonable to describe him as bisexual or pansexual and completely accurate to say he's not straight.

 

There's also an interview with Steven Ogg where it's mentioned and he talks about how he got positive feedback from fans about how Trevor not being straight is just there as a part of his character and not made a big deal of in the narrative or by other characters, and is good representation. So I think that confirms it. 

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OmarMohammed
1 minute ago, WapitiWarrior1899 said:

maybe. Theres tons of games that would fit better for that religious person than gta

Bro, You are acting like you are my father

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The Wolf Man
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Sure... gays aren't normal people, but a regular GTA protagonist, a lunatic, cold-blooded killer, sometimes a rapist (Trevor) is a normal person. 
 

WTF.

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Ash_735

GTA3 - Straight Male

GTA VC -Straight Male

GTA SA - Straight Male

GTA LCS - Straight Male

GTA VCS - Straight Male

GTA IV - Straight Male

GTA TLAD - Straight Male

GTA TBOGT - Straight Male

GTA Advanced - Straight Male

GTA V - 2x Straight Male + 1x Anything Goes Male

GTAO - Straight Male or Lesbian Female

 

"Maybe there could be a Gay protagonist?"

"WOAH WOAH WOAH THERE, THAT'S TOO FAR, STOP SHOVING THAT IN MY FACE! GAYS ARE EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW, WHY DOES SEXUALITY MATTER, THIS IS GRAND THEFT AUTO NOT SJW COCK SUCKING SIMULATOR, STOP FORCING THIS ON ME, I WANT TO PLAY AS A NORMAL PERSON, NOT A FILTHY UNNATURAL GAY"

 

The irony is, GTA1 is more progressive compared to later games as it offered both male and female protagonists and they could go either way (storyline wouldn't change so flirty comments from both men and women would be applied to whichever character you chose).

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billiejoearmstrong8
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5 hours ago, Jabalous said:

How about a normal, engaging and believable Crime story and protagonist? There's no need to cater to personalities that are rarely seen in real crime or crime fiction. There would be need for the writers to push sexuality into the story dialogue and events. it's a series revolving around crime fiction and not commentary on sexuality and other societal issues, except in radio chatter and other in-game media. V had enough of that in the story and I'm hopeful that nothing like it would sneak into the writing again. Any rare crime-based personality would turn me off instantly, like in the instance of the game featuring a female protagonist. 

What if it wasn't pushed into the story dialogue and events any more than the sexuality/romantic life of straight protagonists has been? Or Trevor's bisexuality? With The Ballad of Gay Tony they made a game with lots of LGBT characters including the deuteragonist and even with constant references to that theme and a gay club etc it worked fine as a crime story. By comparison to that a protagonist just happening to be gay the way other protagonists have just happened to be straight or bisexual doesn't seem like it would have to be a big deal to me. @Zello's example of Omar from The Wire shows perfectly how this is possible.

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Zello

There would have to be some restrictions to a gay protagonist. He can't be a mobster because the Mafia isn't really accepting of homosexuals in it's ranks. Now he could be in the closet and that would somewhat work then his crew finds out and it brings up a huge conflict.

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OmarMohammed
Just now, Zello said:

There would have to be some restrictions to a gay protagonist

Probably 21+ like they did with RDR2

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