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Johnb17

Never forget Digital foundry lied

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Johnb17

Said the 1.09 patch fixed the graphics downgrade specifically the Ambient Occlusion, yet that was a lie. Just check inside the general store and compare with 1.0 version 

 

In the 1.0 version every little object has deep shadows

 

in the present version... none 

 

they lied for some strange reason who knows maybe laziness. 

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FrancisMcReary

technically they didn't lie, but the video was still dishonest.
AO is generally not a slider configuration but an on-off configuration. 

The reason it still appears weaker now is because of the removal of multiple lighting angles. 
To clarify, GTA5 does not have higher resolution models and relatively few higher LOD textures 
on PS4 compared to PS3. Yet it looks stellarly more pretty. That is for 80% thanks to the lighting angles. 
They cost a lot of CPU power. 

 

They increase (the perception of) contrast without crushing colours. 
 

Another observation that further underlines what I'm writing here is the shade of blue Arthurs coat has 
in Chapter 1. It is very, very deep blue in V1.00, but looks blander after every update. 

 

At this point in time R* isn't in the business of fixing or even acknowledging it anymore, but they are 
just hiding it by cheap bandages like colour filters in certain areas. Once you know, you can't un-see. 

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13 hours ago, FrancisMcReary said:

AO is generally not a slider configuration but an on-off configuration. 

The reason it still appears weaker now is because of the removal of multiple lighting angles. 
To clarify, GTA5 does not have higher resolution models and relatively few higher LOD textures 
on PS4 compared to PS3. Yet it looks stellarly more pretty. That is for 80% thanks to the lighting angles. 
They cost a lot of CPU power. 

 

They increase (the perception of) contrast without crushing colours.

That's exactly the first thing I noticed going back to 1.0 after two full (100 and 95%) playthroughs on later updates.

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FrancisMcReary
15 hours ago, CH14R1 said:

That's exactly the first thing I noticed going back to 1.0 after two full (100 and 95%) playthroughs on later updates.

Do you play base ps4? I've got some more tips and tricks to increase graphical fidelity

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CH14R1
2 hours ago, FrancisMcReary said:

Do you play base ps4? I've got some more tips and tricks to increase graphical fidelity

Yes, I’m on ps4 slim. I’m all ears.

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Darealbandicoot

THANK YOU!! 

 

That whole downgrade talk they made was very sloppy. Also the time of day and in some cases weather in every mission replay is changed now for whatever reason making it look even more different 

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52 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

THANK YOU!! 

 

That whole downgrade talk they made was very sloppy. Also the time of day and in some cases weather in every mission replay is changed now for whatever reason making it look even more different 

Guess it’s too late to get Rock Star to actually fix it now ..

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Darealbandicoot

Yep. Everyone kept defending them calling the game perfect and better than ever. Now that it's even more broken they finally open their eyes but it's too late. 

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FrancisMcReary
6 hours ago, CH14R1 said:

Yes, I’m on ps4 slim. I’m all ears.

Alright, v1.00 is the suggested version for this.

 

See, if we're very very honest the ps4 is actually just a tad to weak to smoothly run this game on a solid 30 fps.

 

It uses some AI to pre-render environments. Just like slow movement slows down the progression of time as an immersion trick, walking slowly for a couple of minutes loads in more and higher res textures from more afar. Also more audio bits like npc sentences. More effect hazes and richer rendering of hair and character clothing texture and movement.

 

Not much different from that visible post-rendering in photomode on the updated versions. Even when in an open field like around Emerald Ranch, if you walk slowly for multiple minutes on end and suddenly start running the framerate will drop drastically for multiple seconds and you will suddenly see pop in as the game readjusts the rendering behavior. This gimmick is comparable to how many cars you hit in the back in the renderware generation of gta games like vc and San an. If you crash into half the cars backs, they spawn in with half the boot dented in already. Stop doing that, and after a while the cars spawn without dented boots again.

 

Disabling many first person features save resources. Disable kill effects and slightly decrease the movement speed and acceleration of the cameras.

 

In your ps4 itself, disable bullsh*t popup messages, continues device scanning, auto update tracking, and several other options that the system periodically has to check for just because you left it standard. Key tone and system music, predictive text input, whatever you can think of, disable that baloney.

 

I did it and makes a difference but I'm very perceptive.
People that say 'yeah well that's like half a frame per sec you win there lol you ain't no noticing that my dawg' forget to realize that half a frame on 28fps is still close to 2%. That makes the difference between acceptable and annoying many times, and that one extra pixel of depth it renders? Give it to me, baby! The game checks all the time how much reserve it has right this moment so you want your ps4 to leech nothing. It also makes heavy use of temp files to increase loading speeds once you're deeper in the game and have a lot going on. Limit your action variety and progress orderly and slowly, occasionally, like every 16 hours of playtime, deleting those temp files by booting with l1 and r1 pressed together. It may sound far fetched, but the effect is real and noticeable.

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FrancisMcReary
6 hours ago, CH14R1 said:

Yes, I’m on ps4 slim. I’m all ears.

hyE5ayCG_t.jpg

 

Direct link: http://imgbox.com/hyE5ayCG

 

Look at the image here after having read my previous reply. I shot and uploaded it just for you so I could further underline what I'm saying and provide some visual reference.

 

This is a photo I made with my cell phone. It is a cell phone camera  photo from the TV of a screenshot of live gameplay of this evening on a base ps4. Version 1.00 ofcourse.

 

Now the image is further compressed by imgbox and you're watching it on God knows what device. Yet still, _still_ you can see the LOD of everything happening. A huge moving train rendered very detailed, the textures, pixel depth of moving effects, volumetrics, all of it is very high. I wasn't playing very long to be honest. After 6 hours of play in the same session you lose some graphical fidelity too. Part due to cache piling up and the system heating.

 

This happened if you go slow :) And ofcourse configure your settings properly. Hope to have helped.

 

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Buddy Hightower

All of this will magically be fixed in the PS5/Series X version...  

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Johnb17
2 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said:

All of this will magically be fixed in the PS5/Series X version...  

Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if it ain’t. 

 

The PC version failed to turn back on the Valentine store lanterns, don’t have too much faith in their ability to care 

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Darealbandicoot
6 hours ago, Johnb17 said:

Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if it ain’t. 

 

The PC version failed to turn back on the Valentine store lanterns, don’t have too much faith in their ability to care 

Rockstar lied about the PC version saying its "much more than a port" when it's literally a port with graphic sliders lol

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Posted (edited)

@Darealbandicoot
You keep saying about superiority of 1.0 version above the others. Prove me few comparsion screens with EXACT the same time, EXACT the same weather and EXACT tht same scenes. Prove me wrong but I don't buy this graphics bullsh*t.

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Darealbandicoot
4 minutes ago, _CP_ said:

@Darealbandicoot
You keep saying about superiority of 1.0 version above the others. Prove me few comparsion screens with EXACT the same time, EXACT the same weather and EXACT tht same scenes. Prove me wrong but I don't buy this graphics bullsh*t.

There's an entire thread of comparisons. I've been posting like for like comparisons for nearly 2 years now. 

 

Plus it's not just me saying this. If you play version 1.00 and compare it to the current garbage patched version you'll instantly notice the differences. 

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33 minutes ago, _CP_ said:

@Darealbandicoot
You keep saying about superiority of 1.0 version above the others. Prove me few comparsion screens with EXACT the same time, EXACT the same weather and EXACT tht same scenes. Prove me wrong but I don't buy this graphics bullsh*t.

How about this, try it yourself and you will see. You can see the difference straight away even the ground textures are much more sharper and detailed in 1.0

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14 hours ago, _CP_ said:

@Darealbandicoot
You keep saying about superiority of 1.0 version above the others. Prove me few comparsion screens with EXACT the same time, EXACT the same weather and EXACT tht same scenes. Prove me wrong but I don't buy this graphics bullsh*t.

Okay, trusting you are a man of character I want to make you an offer. Tell me what I can do to persuade you into installing the unpatched disc version.

 

How about this: if you honestly see no difference, I will give you an RDO shark card. I'll pm you the code (actually just ps store credit but that sounds so vulgar). I'm good for it and done it many times on Reddit.

 

If you do see difference, you still won because you enjoy a prettier game. Now you have yourself a situation in which you simply cannot lose. Will you install v1.00 and report on your findings?

 

Again, I trust you as a man of character and if you still don't see it I won't argue and just pm you that credit.

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Johnb17
1 hour ago, FrancisMcReary said:

Okay, trusting you are a man of character I want to make you an offer. Tell me what I can do to persuade you into installing the unpatched disc version.

 

How about this: if you honestly see no difference, I will give you an RDO shark card. I'll pm you the code (actually just ps store credit but that sounds so vulgar). I'm good for it and done it many times on Reddit.

 

If you do see difference, you still won because you enjoy a prettier game. Now you have yourself a situation in which you simply cannot lose. Will you install v1.00 and report on your findings?

 

Again, I trust you as a man of character and if you still don't see it I won't argue and just pm you that credit.

Oooh the stakes have just been raised 

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Darealbandicoot
On 5/4/2020 at 10:45 AM, FrancisMcReary said:

Okay, trusting you are a man of character I want to make you an offer. Tell me what I can do to persuade you into installing the unpatched disc version.

 

How about this: if you honestly see no difference, I will give you an RDO shark card. I'll pm you the code (actually just ps store credit but that sounds so vulgar). I'm good for it and done it many times on Reddit.

 

If you do see difference, you still won because you enjoy a prettier game. Now you have yourself a situation in which you simply cannot lose. Will you install v1.00 and report on your findings?

 

Again, I trust you as a man of character and if you still don't see it I won't argue and just pm you that credit.

I think he only has a PC

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Johnb17

We need to bring awareness 

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puredorian
Posted (edited)
On 5/3/2020 at 10:31 PM, _CP_ said:

@Darealbandicoot
You keep saying about superiority of 1.0 version above the others. Prove me few comparsion screens with EXACT the same time, EXACT the same weather and EXACT tht same scenes. Prove me wrong but I don't buy this graphics bullsh*t.

Are you seriously doubting that?

I mean if anything just look at GTA V and it's updates, ever since Lamar update the game lost it's stability in the overall presentation.

 

For example, GTA Online Rashkovky lost it's glasses in the Prison rescue cutscene, in the story mode prologue cutscene, where Trevor shoots from the getaway car M4 missing a clip(and in other scenes as well) plus many other small - but noticable bugs.

Rockstar introduces more issues in each update than fixes, and it still stands and shows to this day. They got sloppy with their QA.

 

I just wish we would be able to play version 1.0 on PC.

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Johnb17

Darealbandicoot has been doing comparisons for ages , keep em coming man , great job 

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_CP_
20 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

I think he only has a PC

My PS4 copy is a digital one.

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Darealbandicoot
3 hours ago, _CP_ said:

My PS4 copy is a digital one.

I stand corrected then. 

 

Still not 1.00 though 

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