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Not too familiar with a lot of Goth but what I do like it when I hear it. 



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Can we post electronic "goth" songs like darkwave here, too?



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26 minutes ago, Awful Waffle said:

what exactly constitutes goth music?

like just curious. because I don't know.

The goth music I listen to is kinda a darker post-punk, but it could really be other music too NOT EMO MUSIC, such as what Ambient posted earlier. Listen to bands like Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie n' Banshees, Bauhaus, Danse Society, The Cure, etc and it can probably give you a better idea on what goth music is.


If you're super curious, you could just Google a song/band you're going to submit and see if it falls under that genre. 

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Goth started out as a rock/post punk sub genre in England, also there is a post on reddit I saw some years ago and finally I found it again today with a compilation of interviews talking about that term.



Post-Punk: Do you think the whole association with Bauhaus being Goth is ridiculous?

Daniel Ash: It’s a weird one. To me, the whole Goth thing is very one dimensional. It’s sort of cloak and dagger. It’s ok, it has its place, it’s fun, but we just find it funny that we’re thought of as that...The English press called it Goth and the only thing I can think of is they heard us do “Bela Lugosi’s Dead"...Ironically, we’re just like the original Bauhaus movement, which is art for function, the opposite of gothic...We find the whole Goth thing a joke, really, we sort of laugh about it. We were an art band. We all went to art school. We were like an experimental art band. source

"We never consciously focused on, or identified with any movement or any dialogue other than our own." - Peter Murphy source

On embracing the title “Godfather of Goth”:

“On one hand, I love it because I say, ‘Well, of course. Thank you very much. At last. Well, thank goodness. It’s about time you realize who I was.’ And then I think about goth now, and I say, ‘I’m sorry, kids. I’m not a monster goth. I’m not Lux… whatever his name was [Interior of the Cramps?]. I’m not like some Jagger wannabe, Iggy Pop. I’m not Bowie, who’s just past it. I’m more what they could have been. Ignore these names, and I’m just me, thank you very much, and we’re just goth. That’s why we didn’t talk much about it… I am a performer.” - Peter Murphy source

The Sisters of Mercy:

“I'm not interested in what g*** s think...I recently declined the opportunity to do guest vocals on a single for somebody...I thought "If I sang that rubbish, people would accuse me of being a g*** !”…it's disappointing that so many people have in all seriousness adopted just one of our many one-week-of-stupid-clothes benders...Anyway, I'm constantly confronted by representatives of popular culture who are far more g*** than we, yet I have only to wear black socks to be stigmatised as the demon overlord.” - Andrew Eldritch source

“They have actively discouraged their association with "goth" via regular public statements in the press, not to mention stipulations in their standard contract riders.” source

"Siouxsie, the Cramps and Bauhaus, even the Cure to an extent, were more archetypal [Goth] than we were."- Wayne Hussey

"The Sisters probably were Goth, and the early Mission too... Songs like 'Sacrilege' and 'Serpent's Kiss' were pretty incriminating, weren't they?" - Wayne Hussey source

The Cure:

Even today, Smith bristles slightly at the term "goth", not because he dislikes the term, but because "it's only people that aren't goths that think the Cure are a goth band … we were like a raincoat, shoegazing band when goth was picking up." source

[Robert Smith] finds goth music "incredibly dull and monotonous. A dirge really."

“I’ve been in at least five different groups since I've been in The Cure, I've been everything — punk, goth, psychedelic, pop.” source

"When I joined Siouxsie And The Banshees I was aware that I was stepping into a goth band, in that Siouxie was a goth icon. I became a de facto goth icon around that time. When I was with the Banshees I made the point of wearing pyjamas - I wore a blue stripey pyjama top. I wanted to make a point I was not part of this world...When we did the 'Faith' album in 1981, goth hadn't been invented then, we were actually a raincoat band. We were inventing goth with that album and 'pr0nography'. But we weren't, we were just playing emotional music. I was feeling a bit desperate at the time...The record label had given up on us and the crowds were pretty much non-existent...And we were taking vast amounts of very strong drugs and actually didn't really give a sh*t. And that, somehow, gave rise to goth." source

Siouxsie and the Banshees:

“Both Siouxsie and Severin loathed the way they were sometimes linked to goth music.”

"At a signing the other day, someone asked me how it felt to be the queen of goth. I said, 'That's rather like being known as the Prince Regent of Fools.' I hate all that. There is a fun, flippant side to me, of course. But I would much rather be known as the Ice Queen." - Siouxsie Sioux source

Sex Gang Children:

Unlike several other bands, you never distanced yourself from the ‘goth’ label, at least not as far as I know. Do you feel comfortable with it?

“And we never embraced it either, that or any other label. I do not believe in the false necessity of labels... The press were trying to hang the 'Goth' label for some time and Bauhaus, Death Cult, Virgin Prunes and ourselves did not want to be stamped with any label as we had established ourselves without relying on such trinkets. It wasn't until 1985 when The Cure broke rank and officially called themselves a Goth band in one of their press releases, that the name became the official moniker that the press and popular media would use to refer to those post punk arthouse bands. These days I don't mind the term as used to describe a subculture. It is what it is now. So long as people realise that it should never become a restrictive uniform in all manner of expression. When Ian (Astbury) and I were discussing this very issue... he told me that Bauhaus, Banshees, Prunes and Sex Gang were more post punk arthouse than gothic.” - Andi Sex Gang source

"No, we didn't think of ourselves as Goth. There was no movement." - Dave Roberts source

Southern Death Cult:

"We never considered ourselves part of the goth thing." - Ian Astbury source

Christian Death:

"But I don't think anybody with any self-respect would admit to being Goth" - Rozz Williams

"I've never been a Goth, not in the traditional sense, although there was a short period where I wore heavier make-up." - Gitane Demone source

Alien Sex Fiend:

Mrs Fiend: Back in the Batcave days, it wasn’t called gothic. They just called us a Batcave band. Later on, the term started to be used in a derogatory way, especially by the music media. Whoever was into us and the other bands coming through at that time ignored those comments and carried enjoying what they were enjoying, regardless. source

DJ Azoicer: What do you think about being described as goth?

Mrs Fiend: It's only a problem if it puts off anyone from checking out our music. Ideally we would prefer not to have any labels attached to us, but that's not very realistic. The media do like their pigeon holes, and they started it!

Nik Fiend: As far as I'm concerned we are Alien Sex Fiend and that's it. I like too many types of music personally to be into labeling everything. Our main mission was to break down musical barriers, and we still try to do that, but I can understand that because of the imagery we are assumed to be "goth" but there is a whole lot more going on. But there again the whole "goth" genre has broadened out over the years, massively.

Mrs Fiend:Yep! Pagan goth, cyber goth, techno goth and so on.

Nik Fiend: It's a pretty large umbrella to be under, so that's ok. What's amazing is how big goth has become, because it used to be used as a very derogative term by UK journalists. So I think it's really hilarious that it's now so widespread. (laughing)

Mrs Fiend: Yeah, they're probably well pissed off that not only is it still around but that it's bigger than ever! Actually we took part on a radio discussion about what is and isn't goth. They ran message boards and what have you; and the upshot of whole thing was no 2 people could agree on what is goth, so there you go! Some goths don't consider us goth because of the humor in our songs or on-stage, so I'm confused myself. Call us what you like! (Laughs) source

Fields of the Nephilim:

So you're reasonably happy to be associated with the goth genre?

Carl McCoy: That's the terminology that the press generally label the fans with, they put them in categories without them knowing, and they're the people who come to our gigs and they don't take the normal path, and without them we couldn't do what we do. So yeah, if they're called goths, then I don't care. What's wrong with that? source

I love McCoy's logic: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck... then it's probably a duck.

and actually didn't really give a sh*t. And that, somehow, gave rise to goth."


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