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FrankNitti1886

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One of the many things which caught me with the first RDR was the animals hunting each other. Used to head out in the wilderness with a trolley so the predators didn't bother with me and watch cougars hunting, bears chasing wolves, wolves chasing whatever. 

 

I very much looked forward to an even better eco system in RDR2 but so far (a year and a half of playing) I've seen very little of this. 

I don't think I've ever seen a cougar hunt, never seen a gator bite after anything other than me or people I've hogtied.

 

I've seen:

Big birds (Eagles etc) swoop down and grab fish or small critters

Bear catching Salmon in Aurora Basin

I think I once saw a bear fending off some wolves by Aurora Basin

 

Anyone seen anything else?

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Last time i was playing, while rushing trough open plains with my horse i scared some antelopes, who started to run in my direction, 30 seconds after i stumbled on a wolf pack while the antelopes where still behind me.. At first the wolves were coming for me but within a second they started to go for the antelopes and they left me alone 😁 First time it happend to me so i was really impressed by it.

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FrankNitti1886
1 hour ago, RisingCobra said:

Last time i was playing, while rushing trough open plains with my horse i scared some antelopes, who started to run in my direction, 30 seconds after i stumbled on a wolf pack while the antelopes where still behind me.. At first the wolves were coming for me but within a second they started to go for the antelopes and they left me alone 😁 First time it happend to me so i was really impressed by it.

That's awesome! Things like that I wish I'd seen more often. Everytime I spot a predator from a distance there's usually a deer or pronghorn nearby just chilling without a threat from the predator. 

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9 hours ago, FrankNitti1886 said:

One of the many things which caught me with the first RDR was the animals hunting each other. Used to head out in the wilderness with a trolley so the predators didn't bother with me and watch cougars hunting, bears chasing wolves, wolves chasing whatever. 

 

I very much looked forward to an even better eco system in RDR2 but so far (a year and a half of playing) I've seen very little of this. 

I don't think I've ever seen a cougar hunt, never seen a gator bite after anything other than me or people I've hogtied.

 

I've seen:

Big birds (Eagles etc) swoop down and grab fish or small critters

Bear catching Salmon in Aurora Basin

I think I once saw a bear fending off some wolves by Aurora Basin

 

Anyone seen anything else?

 

As far as the alligators...

They will also eat animal corpses that have been thrown into the swamps.

Also, during one of the side missions of "Arcadia for Amateurs", an alligator drags a bore into the swamps.

 

I've seen all the other ones you've mentioned, but I've also seen...

 

...Horses and Buffalo rolling around in the dirt and grass.

 

...Whitetail Bucks fighting each other.

 

...Bighorn Rams having head-butting contest.

 

...A Bull Elk charge a lone Wolf that was harassing it.

 

...Domestic cats chase down, catch, kill, and then carry off, rats.

 

...Dogs play fighting with other dogs in towns, and Wolves play fighting in the wild.

 

...A dog chase a cat.

 

...Coyotes and foxes, chase down, catch, kill, and then carry off, all types of small game especially squirrels.

 

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Side note:

I was once attacked by a pack of coyotes.

Although, this only happened once throughout several playthroughs. So I'm not sure if that's an actual scripted event or if it was just pure luck. I'm leaning towards the idea that it's not scripted because in all the other playthroughs I've tried to retrigger it and couldn't.

I was near "the old world script", north of Annesburg when it happened.

 

I was trying to set up camp but it gave me the message...

"Cannot set up camp while in combat"

 

At first I thought it was a glitch till I looked at my Mini Map and saw the red dots. It was dark while the attack was happening so it was hard to see and I thought it was a pack of wolves, but it turned out to be coyotes.

 

...Cougars, Grizzly Bears, and Wolves, attack just about everything, including random NPCs.

 

Side note:

The crazy woman who randomly pops up at your campsite while in the Roanoke Ridge area, was running out of my camp at the end of the conversation when a cougar took her down and killed her.

 

It was right near the falls at the Northern part of the map. Lots of Big Cats in that area, but I was still shocked when I saw it happen lol.

 

I think I have a video of it. I'll have to try to find it.

 

Also, I was playing online one night and came across Old Man Jones being attacked by wolves at his roadside tent near Strawberry.

I saved him and he still wanted to charge me gold to change my honor lol.

Ungrateful old Cheapskate.

 

...oh, Owls and Hawks also swoop down and grab things as well, and grizzly bears can also be found fishing in the Dakota River.

 

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TheJesus1996

I've seen gators dragging boars into the swamp in free roam also a dog barking to vultures eating another dogs corpse.

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The other day I killed a snake, then a buck (I think) and I went to skin the buck first, and when I turned around to skin the snake an eagle had it in its mouth. i killed the eagle and skinned them both.

 

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11 minutes ago, SneakyDeaky said:

The other day I killed a snake, then a buck (I think) and I went to skin the buck first, and when I turned around to skin the snake an eagle had it in its mouth. i killed the eagle and skinned them both.

 

I've seen a hawk eating a snake I shot and left on a road.

 

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SneakyDeaky

I think there's a lot of these examples but I'm so trigger happy and obsessed with the trapper gear I don't have enough patience just to stand there and take it all in.

 

We should maybe make an "animal watching" thread, where the idea is to watch birds and animals and take pictures of these moments, no hunting, no skinning. We have to be like David Attenborough.

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pigs will eat other dead pigs

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I see coyotes chasing rabbits a lot

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StyxTx

Online...I did see 3 wolves surrounding a Grizzly up on Barrow Lagoon once.

10 hours ago, FrankNitti1886 said:

That's awesome! Things like that I wish I'd seen more often. Everytime I spot a predator from a distance there's usually a deer or pronghorn nearby just chilling without a threat from the predator. 

That is especially true of the cougar near the house with the windmill just outside of Blackwater. Pronghorn's a lot closer to it than I am, if not between, but it raises it's head then comes for me.

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14 hours ago, TheJesus1996 said:

I've seen gators dragging boars into the swamp in free roam also a dog barking to vultures eating another dogs corpse.

I've never seen the gators do anything really. I've pushed NPCs into the water in Lakay right in front of them gators who do not react at all =( Would love to see them a little bit more active towards others than me. 

 

Anyone ever seen the Black bear engage in any way? I've tried to provoke it while on foot, having it cornered etc but it never reacts in any form of attack. Does it hunt other animals? 

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15 minutes ago, FrankNitti1886 said:

I've never seen the gators do anything really. I've pushed NPCs into the water in Lakay right in front of them gators who do not react at all =( Would love to see them a little bit more active towards others than me. 

 

Anyone ever seen the Black bear engage in any way? I've tried to provoke it while on foot, having it cornered etc but it never reacts in any form of attack. Does it hunt other animals? 

I dropped two bodies (they were killed my Lemoyne Raiders) in the water yesterday. In a matter of 2-3 minutes they were both dragged under the water and eaten by crocodiles. One time i saw a grizzly bear growl at another NPC as if it was about to attack (but it never did). Another time I was chased by wolves, and as I passed by a fisherman, the wolfs started to attack him instead of me and eventually killed him.

 

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15 minutes ago, Cyper said:

I dropped two bodies (they were killed my Lemoyne Raiders) in the water yesterday. In a matter of 2-3 minutes they were both dragged under the water and eaten by crocodiles. One time i saw a grizzly bear growl at another NPC as if it was about to attack (but it never did). Another time I was chased by wolves, and as I passed by a fisherman, the wolfs started to attack him instead of me and eventually killed him.

 

Cool. I've tried that once but didn't see it. I'll definitely try it again.

 

 

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DexMacLeod

Yeah, RDR2's world was a little disappointing for me in that regard. There was plenty of stuff in the world to interact and engage with but you really had to go out of your way to make it happen.

 

Especially after the first Redemption where you couldn't just "zone out" traveling from point A to point B because you never knew what might try and attack you. The world was a threat and that made every journey feel dynamic and different. I never really felt that way in RDR2.

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1 hour ago, DexMacLeod said:

Yeah, RDR2's world was a little disappointing for me in that regard. There was plenty of stuff in the world to interact and engage with but you really had to go out of your way to make it happen.

 

Especially after the first Redemption where you couldn't just "zone out" traveling from point A to point B because you never knew what might try and attack you. The world was a threat and that made every journey feel dynamic and different. I never really felt that way in RDR2.

I play in public lobbies and private ones.

 

Public lobbies pretty much suck when it comes to animals, enemy hideouts, camp defenses, and all those things. In a private lobby, travelling from point A to B is pretty dangerous. In many areas of the map, but particularly Tall Trees area, the area north and west of Annesburg, and Big Valley, especially the woods north of there and west of Wallace Station are full of danger. But even outside of those 3 areas there are dangers, especially from wolves. The largest wolf pack I've seen was 10.

 

Basically, in private lobbies you see all the animals that are missing in public ones. It's almost an overpopulation of animals.

 

Also, all the camp hideouts, revenuer roadblocks, stranger rescues and those other things are all over the place in private lobbies. I really don't like the public lobbies because they are pretty boring with very few things to keep your attention.

 

Anyone who has never been in a private lobby has no idea what they are not seeing.

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24 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

I play in public lobbies and private ones.

 

Public lobbies pretty much suck when it comes to animals, enemy hideouts, camp defenses, and all those things. In a private lobby, travelling from point A to B is pretty dangerous. In many areas of the map, but particularly Tall Trees area, the area north and west of Annesburg, and Big Valley, especially the woods north of there and west of Wallace Station are full of danger. But even outside of those 3 areas there are dangers, especially from wolves. The largest wolf pack I've seen was 10.

 

Basically, in private lobbies you see all the animals that are missing in public ones. It's almost an overpopulation of animals.

 

Also, all the camp hideouts, revenuer roadblocks, stranger rescues and those other things are all over the place in private lobbies. I really don't like the public lobbies because they are pretty boring with very few things to keep your attention.

 

Anyone who has never been in a private lobby has no idea what they are not seeing.

I play single player offline. Gave up with online pretty early. Last I played there wasn't a consistent way to get a private lobby.

 

But, yeah, wolf attacks are the only non-scripted thing that ever really happen to me and there's very few reasons to go to the areas with wolves.

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Taterman
11 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

I play single player offline. Gave up with online pretty early. Last I played there wasn't a consistent way to get a private lobby.

 

No nat lobby option? Haven't played online yet, still in chapter 4.

 

 

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21 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

I play single player offline. Gave up with online pretty early. Last I played there wasn't a consistent way to get a private lobby.

 

But, yeah, wolf attacks are the only non-scripted thing that ever really happen to me and there's very few reasons to go to the areas with wolves.

There is an easy working method to get a private lobby. Send me a message and I'll explain it if you want.

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Taterman
5 hours ago, StyxTx said:

There is an easy workng method to get a private lobby. Send me a message and I'll explain it if you want.

Does it work on Xbox 1 or just PC?

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StyxTx
14 minutes ago, Taterman said:

Does it work on Xbox 1 or just PC?

Just PC.

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31 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

Just PC.

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Buddy Hightower

I once saw an eagle swoop down and snatch up a rabbit. I chased on the horse and used the .22 to shot the eagle. When it hit the ground it still had the rabbit in his clutches!!

I plucked the eagle and skinned the rabbit...

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On 4/21/2020 at 8:58 PM, DexMacLeod said:

Yeah, RDR2's world was a little disappointing for me in that regard. There was plenty of stuff in the world to interact and engage with but you really had to go out of your way to make it happen.

 

Especially after the first Redemption where you couldn't just "zone out" traveling from point A to point B because you never knew what might try and attack you. The world was a threat and that made every journey feel dynamic and different. I never really felt that way in RDR2.

 

I never liked the animals behavior in RDR. They were a lot like NPC:s in GTA V: over aggressive and predictable. If I wanted to explore Tall Trees there was simply no way of doing that without getting into constant fights. The area was a war zone and unless you wanted to go to war with the wildlife one had to keep away from it. The animals were predictable because you knew that more or less all types of predators would attack you no matter circumstances. In some areas such as Tall Trees predators would spawn all the time in a very predictable ma. Bear hunting in RDR was basically sitting on a horse blasting at 4-5 bears with a shotgun, riding on a bit further and repeat the process again. Animals felt more like robots than actual animals. In RDR2, animals spawn differently, and their level of aggression is more normalized. Bears, for example, can attack you but only during certain circumstances (and I think even depending on what type of bear it is!) Crocodiles attack you if they have the chance e.i if you're in their range.

 

Now, some animals in RDR2 are certainly very aggressive. A pack of wolfs will attack you on sight and are therefore dangerous. But wolfs are generally out only during the night. Cougars are as dangerous as in RDR and generally you're dead when you see them - especially if you don't use deadeye to kill and have your minimap disabled - but they spawn with less frequency than in RDR.

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18 minutes ago, Cyper said:

I never liked the animals behavior in RDR. They were a lot like NPC:s in GTA V: over aggressive and predictable. If I wanted to explore Tall Trees there was simply no way of doing that without getting into constant fights. The area was a war zone and unless you wanted to go to war with the wildlife one had to keep away from it. The animals were predictable because you knew that more or less all types of predators would attack you no matter circumstances. In some areas such as Tall Trees predators would spawn all the time in a very predictable ma. Bear hunting in RDR was basically sitting on a horse blasting at 4-5 bears with a shotgun, riding on a bit further and repeat the process again. Animals felt more like robots than actual animals. In RDR2, animals spawn differently, and their level of aggression is more normalized. Bears, for example, can attack you but only during certain circumstances (and I think even depending on what type of bear it is!) Crocodiles attack you if they have the chance e.i if you're in their range.

Yeah, they were definitely over aggressive in RDR but I think they completely overcorrected for RDR2. I see the red dots every now and then on my minimap but even if I stop right where I am, the predator often just runs away before I even get a look at it. It's like I was saying before, you have to almost force the world to engage with you.

 

RDR's animals may have felt like robots but RDR2's often just felt like window dressing. I guess that makes "exploration" more peaceful but I'd rather have a game world that's engaging and requires me to react to it than one with pretty places to go sight seeing.

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1 hour ago, Cyper said:

 

I never liked the animals behavior in RDR. They were a lot like NPC:s in GTA V: over aggressive and predictable. If I wanted to explore Tall Trees there was simply no way of doing that without getting into constant fights. The area was a war zone and unless you wanted to go to war with the wildlife one had to keep away from it. The animals were predictable because you knew that more or less all types of predators would attack you no matter circumstances. In some areas such as Tall Trees predators would spawn all the time in a very predictable ma. Bear hunting in RDR was basically sitting on a horse blasting at 4-5 bears with a shotgun, riding on a bit further and repeat the process again. Animals felt more like robots than actual animals. In RDR2, animals spawn differently, and their level of aggression is more normalized. Bears, for example, can attack you but only during certain circumstances (and I think even depending on what type of bear it is!) Crocodiles attack you if they have the chance e.i if you're in their range.

 

Now, some animals in RDR2 are certainly very aggressive. A pack of wolfs will attack you on sight and are therefore dangerous. But wolfs are generally out only during the night. Cougars are as dangerous as in RDR and generally you're dead when you see them - especially if you don't use deadeye to kill and have your minimap disabled - but they spawn with less frequency than in RDR.

One thing I've noticed of late, online, is predators will attack you while you're doing something like fighting off an ambush or doing a camp rescue. I had a Grizzly up in Big Valley come into the camp I was protecting and kill me. Went right past the NPC's that were outside the camp and ignored the travelers inside the camp to get to me. Today, I was fighting off an ambush and 3 wolves came after me, again, passing right through the NPC's that were ambushing me. I don't believe animals IRL will come running to where a bunch of shooting is going on, but in the game they do.

 

One other thing that is kind of stupid is that you have snakes in areas where temperatures are constantly below 50 degrees. IRL, snakes can't survive in temps below 60, and usually not very active below 70. I've even seen snakes right at the snow line. Being cold blooded, they need external heat to stay warm.

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TheJesus1996

A cool detail is tha bears won't attack if you stand still, also I saw a cougar once chewing a pronghorn at little creek, Big Valley 

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Cutter De Blanc

I have seen a cat playing with a mouse in Strawberry, birds pulling fish out of water, and two rams fighting. I came upon the bear fighting wolves but was charging through like an asshole, messed up the whole thing and just shot all of them before I realized I missed something cool

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13 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

Yeah, they were definitely over aggressive in RDR but I think they completely overcorrected for RDR2. I see the red dots every now and then on my minimap but even if I stop right where I am, the predator often just runs away before I even get a look at it. It's like I was saying before, you have to almost force the world to engage with you.

 

RDR's animals may have felt like robots but RDR2's often just felt like window dressing. I guess that makes "exploration" more peaceful but I'd rather have a game world that's engaging and requires me to react to it than one with pretty places to go sight seeing.

Well, it's a matter of personal taste. I prefer animals behavior to be realistic rather than engaging.

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17 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

Yeah, they were definitely over aggressive in RDR but I think they completely overcorrected for RDR2. I see the red dots every now and then on my minimap but even if I stop right where I am, the predator often just runs away before I even get a look at it. It's like I was saying before, you have to almost force the world to engage with you.

 

RDR's animals may have felt like robots but RDR2's often just felt like window dressing. I guess that makes "exploration" more peaceful but I'd rather have a game world that's engaging and requires me to react to it than one with pretty places to go sight seeing.

Many times the red dots are snakes. In the case of other predators, the edge of the minimap turns red long before I see the dots.

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