saintsrow Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 9:33 AM, Dourvas said: And we all know the winner between Offline vs Online ... If they have to sacrifice something its going to be the single player content. What is this GTA VI "single player" of which you speak? Can't imagine such a thing, any more. GTAhare 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBreak16 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) I personally think that GTA VI is in mid-development, at about 60%-70%. As we all know, RDRII took 7 years to be made by Rockstar from 2011 to 2018. I believe that the production of GTA VI have started in 2015-2016, because RDRII was reaching the end of it’s development. If GTA VI take 7 years to make, then from 2015-2016 it would release in 2022-2023, which is the most logical thing to me. Also, the Ps5 and XSX have been in production since 2016-2017 and there release is just at the end of the year, because of that, Rockstar where probably able to get their hands on the tech and could properly spend most of the development time making the game for next gen, and not current gen. Edited April 16, 2020 by MrBreak16 APB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza_GTA Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eternal Moonshine said: you said that you don't want to exclude the possibility that GTA 6 will be a cross gen game but to me it looks like you actually want it to be be released for PS4 and Xbox One. i still can't figure out why because every time i ask you deflect my question by saying that it would be a smart move for Rockstar because I say what's going to happen, we don't care what I want why be afraid of the truth ? do you think doing like kids hiding their eyes will make a difference? ok Santa Claus, I want a GTA 6 exclusively on next gen I hope T2 and Rcokstar listened to me and that it will work REVENGE777 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBreak16 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Forza_GTA said: because I say what's going to happen, we don't care what I want why be afraid of the truth ? do you think doing like kids hiding their eyes will make a difference? ok Santa Claus, I want a GTA 6 exclusively on next gen I hope T2 and Rcokstar listened to me and that it will work Lol, because you come from the future maybe? MyNameIsNotImportantBro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, GTAhare said: That makes a LOT of sense. Maybe GTA 6 was originally a different game but got scrapped due to Online. Maybe because of the reasons you mentioned the game got scrapped and replaced with a different concept. Considering the fact that current gen consoles were outdated even upon release but next-gen consoles will be on par with gaming PCs, maybe Rockstar decided to take advantage of Online’s success to make either a better or a more Online-oriented game. It could be both with Take Two wanting more money with a bigger Online and developers wanting a better game so they reached an agreement or something. I’m really curious how GTA 6 will turn out. But one thing remains: Rockstar has been rapidly changing since the controversy over Red Dead Redemption 2’s working conditions For added clarification, I don't mean GTA VI could have changed to focus on Online more, or even entirely. Just a general sense. The old document from 2012, which Ash will know more about than I, mentioned the possibility of a smaller map but hyper detailed. For example, let's just say that is what they chose to do. Well, after Online blew up, you certainly aren't following up GTA V with an Online service based on a smaller map, are you? You pretty much have to have a bigger map. A reason to spend big money on a private jet, a boat, super cars, etc. That's how you get more players. More players = more money. Edited April 16, 2020 by Len Lfc Kris194, TerryJamieKingDonovan, Ash_735 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAhare Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Len Lfc said: For added clarification, I don't mean GTA VI could have changed to focus on Online more, or even entirely. Just a general sense. The old document from 2012, which Ash will know more about than I, mentioned the possibility of a smaller map but hyper detailed. For example, let's just say that is what they chose to do. Well, after Online blew up, you certainly aren't following up GTA V with an Online service based on a smaller map, are you? You pretty much have to have a bigger map. A reason to spend big money on a private jet, a boat, super cars, etc. That's how you get more player. More player = more money. Makes sense. Maybe Rockstar was originally planning to have a hyper-detailed single city but due to Online they decided to scrap that and focus on multiple cities. GTA 6 could still have single player and even a great one but as you mentioned no doubt Online is affecting future map design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNotImportantBro Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, GTAhare said: Maybe Rockstar was originally planning to have a hyper-detailed single city but due to Online I heared that they R* was going to do a GTA 5 DLC and the location will be set in Las Ventures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris194 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, GTAhare said: Makes sense. Maybe Rockstar was originally planning to have a hyper-detailed single city but due to Online they decided to scrap that and focus on multiple cities. It was never a plan, it was considered possibility way back in 2012, time when GTA V was still in development and RDR 2 wasn't even in full production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just look at the SSD's alone. The next Grand Theft Auto will be a game that is played for the next decade ~ Rockstar surely know that it's better to have a game that is built from it's foundations to take advantage of the next-gen hardware. The SSD's will play a major role there, as well as the much improved CPU's. They may have had ideas for GTA VI a long time ago. But with how big GTA Online has become, and how long it's life-cycle has become. It does make sense that their plans would be re-evaluated. Why have an Online service running until what? 2028? Longer? That is built to run on hardware from 2012~2013? It makes sense they'd want to build something for next-gen, and take full advantage of it. That could explain why GTA VI is still early in development. But again, just a theory. And I can be wrong Eternal Moonshine, Kris194, CyberRock and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Moonshine Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, GTAhare said: Makes sense. Maybe Rockstar was originally planning to have a hyper-detailed single city but due to Online they decided to scrap that and focus on multiple cities. GTA 6 could still have single player and even a great one but as you mentioned no doubt Online is affecting future map design I sooo want this to be true. I really need GTA 6 to feature more cities. This is my biggest expectation. I care about this more than about whether it's set in present day or in the past. And one more thing, RDR2 level of focus on single player Collibosher and MrBreak16 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBreak16 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Eternal Moonshine said: I sooo want this to be true. I really need GTA 6 to feature more cities. This is my biggest expectation. I care about this more than about whether it's set in present day or in the past. And one more thing, RDR2 level of focus on single player Do you think GTA VI could feature Miami, Tampa and Orlando? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Moonshine Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said: Do you think GTA VI could feature Miami, Tampa and Orlando? at the very least but personally i'm hoping that they will expand the map further north. as Leah Sokolovsky said in this podcast, the digital media company that we presume is Rockstar were scouting not only Florida but also other states in the Southeast of the US so i'm actually hoping we'll get Miami, Atlanta and New Orleans but that might be a bit too ambitious. a guy can dream Edited April 16, 2020 by Eternal Moonshine MrBreak16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Eternal Moonshine said: at the very least but personally i'm hoping that they will expand the map further north. as Leah Sokolovsky said in this podcast, the digital media company that we presume is Rockstar were scouting not only Florida but also other states on the Southeast of the US so i'm actually hoping we'll get Miami, Atlanta and New Orleans but that might be a bit too ambitious. a guy can dream It could always just be the countryside. In GTA V, they go as far east as the Salton Sea. Yet, a lot of the other areas nearby, in between, etc aren't present. No Annaheim, no San Diego, no lots of places lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoJesus Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said: Do you think GTA VI could feature Miami, Tampa and Orlando? This could be interesting too. 4 minutes ago, Eternal Moonshine said: at the very least but personally i'm hoping that they will expand the map further north. as Leah Sokolovsky said in this podcast, the digital media company that we presume is Rockstar were scouting not only Florida but also other states in the Southeast of the US so i'm actually hoping we'll get Miami, Atlanta and New Orleans but that might be a bit too ambitious. a guy can dream That is definitely possible. But then they would have to do a lot of compromise. Only air travel and have only the cities probably. MrBreak16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNNEL Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, Len Lfc said: Just look at the SSD's alone. The next Grand Theft Auto will be a game that is played for the next decade ~ Rockstar surely know that it's better to have a game that is built from it's foundations to take advantage of the next-gen hardware. The SSD's will play a major role there, as well as the much improved CPU's. They may have had ideas for GTA VI a long time ago. But with how big GTA Online has become, and how long it's life-cycle has become. It does make sense that their plans would be re-evaluated. Why have an Online service running until what? 2028? Longer? That is built to run on hardware from 2012~2013? It makes sense they'd want to build something for next-gen, and take full advantage of it. That could explain why GTA VI is still early in development. But again, just a theory. And I can be wrong How far do you think they are into development then and are you still sticking to a 2023 release date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Maybe at some point early after the release of Grand Theft Auto 5, R* was planning to actually build and release the next entry during the life cycle of the current generation of consoles. It is a small thing to make a conclusion, but Consejo's listing of 6 in his resume with a date (2018) and his 2014 Instagram Mo-cap picture may tell us that it was actually the plan, but given the resources that Redemption 2 had to take, it was shelved at various points and some assets are now scrapped or reworked to target the upcoming console hardware. They may have started with Vice City in mind, and then it was scrapped, and now the work is being done on Fierro, plus Venturas. Hell yeah! It is a far-fetched theory, but it's interesting to entertain. Budz and Len Lfc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris194 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Why would they scrap Vice City and suddenly move to Las Venturas? What's the point of scrapping your hard work? Why not just expand it to north and/or south? Edited April 16, 2020 by Kris194 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Moonshine Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said: This could be interesting too. That is definitely possible. But then they would have to do a lot of compromise. Only air travel and have only the cities probably. not necessarily. as Len said they could potentially cut a lot of in between areas out and compress everything to fit three different cities all on one map. it worked in San Andreas but this time the map will have to be much bigger. maybe it would look a little like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, YNNEL said: How far do you think they are into development then and are you still sticking to a 2023 release date? I don't know enough to say. All my theorising comes from other facts and experiences. If I were to guess, I'd of said FULL development began as RDR2 was wrapping up. We're 18 months past that, now. So if we were to assume it was to release 5 years after RDR2, like how RDR2 was 5 years after GTA V, then yeah, still being considered early kinda' makes sense. But as I've said, the 5 years can be explained by the last minute changes, such as adding the letterboxing to RDR2, having to change the name of New Bordeaux to Saint Denis, and all the restructuring caused by Leslie Benzies departure and lawsuit. (Also, I forgot to mention the original 2017 release window, which would have been 4 years. But Rockstar games always get delayed) If GTA VI doesn't have those problems, and is set to be smaller, but updated overtime... well it could be sooner than I estimated. It's fun to think about and try to analyze, though. Edited April 16, 2020 by Len Lfc RDR2 Original 2017 release window YNNEL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoJesus Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, Eternal Moonshine said: not necessarily. as Len said they could potentially cut a lot of in between areas out and compress everything to fit three different cities all on one map. it worked in San Andreas but this time the map will have to be much bigger. maybe it would look a little like that I wouldn't mind that but only if we got a good countryside with small towns. GTA V performed was pretty poorly in this regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kris194 said: Why would they scrap Vice City and suddenly move to Las Venturas? What's the point of scrapping your hard work? Why not just expand it to north and/or south? Maybe Sam Houser took a trip to the Sierra Nevada and he liked it, only later to find himself in his New York office thinking how awesome it'd be to re-imagine that magnificent mountain range in a new-gen Grand Theft Auto title. He flipped his mind and made an urgent meeting with the key development staff to change the course of the work from the sun-drenched beaches of Flordia, to the beautifully varied environments of Nevada and North Cali. His motto was "Let's do Grand Theft Auto 6 justice!". Edited April 16, 2020 by Jabalous Len Lfc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kris194 said: Why would they scrap Vice City and suddenly move to Las Venturas? What's the point of scrapping your hard work? Why not just expand it to north and/or south? The scrapped the single player DLC, and repurposed it for Online updates. They could do that in this example, also. I don't agree with Jabalous, here. But it's always possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANDHEIST Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 R* seems to not want to repeat anything Mafia does (eg. changing New Bordeaux to Saint Denis) if the leak that Mafia 4 is set in Las Vegas is true, then I don't see Las Venturas happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, GRANDHEIST said: R* seems to not want to repeat anything Mafia does (eg. changing New Bordeaux to Saint Denis) if the leak that Mafia 4 is set in Las Vegas is true, then I don't see Las Venturas happening Maybe, but I'm not sure if they had to change the name for some sort of copyright reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta7dev Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Early development my ass. I bet it's been worked on before GTA V even launched seeing how GTA V got it's upgrades so quickly to next-gen. They just took the early technology from GTA VI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Class Roadman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Eternal Moonshine said: This was such a well designed map. Pink Pineapple, MrBreak16, REVENGE777 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris194 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Len Lfc said: The scrapped the single player DLC, and repurposed it for Online updates. They could do that in this example, also. I don't agree with Jabalous, here. But it's always possible. Yes, you're right, they scrapped it but reused most of it for GTA Online and Jabalous is talking about scrapping something entirely. Scrapping one year of work(very important work) is most stupid idea one could have. Quote When making GTA, it is Garbut’s pre-production that sets the tone. And it starts small. “We do a lot of Googling and StreetView scoping,” he says. “And some of us – Sam, Dan, Les and I – tend to meet up in the places we are being inspired by and drive around those places and have random chats. “After that we have six to eight people on the design for around nine months to a year. At that point we have a pretty solid blocked in map. We treat the cities like a sculpture and make sure that perspectives down streets look right. And we also make sure that it has the areas we need – both in terms of missions and as a city. Spoiler widget The Prince Algie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBreak16 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Back from reddit. I can’t believe how f*cking stupid most of these guys are. Literally all the guys that says stupid stuff get upvoted and praised, and every other ones who are actually smart and use logic, they are the ones to get downvoted and receive hate. This sub is obviously filled with kids who don’t know what they are talking about Edited April 16, 2020 by MrBreak16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickPlaysGames Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Journey_95 said: To me it implies the opposite..that they will release an unfinished game and "add" things later on. Thats very worrying..Rockstar games are usually always complete. I mean its good that they are improving things for their employees more but still That was already clear tbh Obviously this wasn't clear to the mods considering they unbanned him and gave him his own thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dourvas Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ash_735 said: 5 hours ago, Ash_735 said: That is exactly my fear. 5 hours ago, Ash_735 said: The ONLY way GTA6 could be in "early production" is if they scrapped everything before 2015, halted the project and picked it up after RDR2 was released. That is exactly my fear. 5 hours ago, Ash_735 said: The ONLY way GTA6 could be in "early production" is if they scrapped everything before 2015, halted the project and picked it up after RDR2 was released. That is exactly my fear. 5 hours ago, Ash_735 said: blockquotedgelockquote widget Edited April 17, 2020 by Dourvas Mods help ! Just want to quote it once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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