GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 4]

[AgentSapphire]

Considering that GTA VI needs to outdo GTA V in every way, it’s very much years away. I personally don’t mind the waiting. 
 

I think hardware limitation might be a temporary barrier. But considering how fast hardware is evolving these days, it might not be that big of a problem. 

Edited August 30, 2020 by EspionNoir

[Len Lfc]

8 minutes ago, EspionNoir said:

Considering that GTA VI needs to outdo GTA V in every way, it’s very much years away. I personally don’t mind the waiting. 
 

I think hardware limitation might be a temporary barrier. But considering how fast hardware is evolving these days, it might not be that big of a problem. 

I'm in a similar boat. I don't mind waiting for a good game.

But hardware is always a limitation. However, this is the first time since San Andreas, that we've been going into the next Grand Theft Auto on a next-gen console. So it's pretty exciting. the SSD alone will be huge.

[Orthur]

2 hours ago, mussefar03 said:

Yes. This is my source for news (sometimes). It is pretty interesting.

 

Take it away@Len_Lfc. Stump this rumour to the ground with common sense and ruining my dreams once again

 

It's actually not that far-fetched. If gta 6 was 70% done (Tezfun) in april, we could actually get a teaser this year.

Even for someone like me who still have hopes that it would be announced this year, this is kinda not reliable lmao. Everything Len Lfc said makes sense. That's just some dude rockstar follows. Why the hell would reveal be in December?, Lmao he didn't even say it's GTA.

 

And about Tezfun saying it's 70% done, I was thinking about the same what @Len Lfc said for weeks lmao. It could be 70% done but still 3 years away, I somewhere read (I can't remember where) that the last 30% or something of a game takes more time to finish than the first 60-70%, to make it perfect, polish it. And by Rockstar's standard it's very plausible.

 

I don't understand how they make trailer or any other things about game development but I hope they manage to show SOMETHING out of that 70% this year. I think Jason and The "insiders" are misunderstanding each other.

 

Edit : worth mentioning, that twitter account just obsesses over small details that practically means nothing. 

Edited August 30, 2020 by Orthur The Boah

[anizawa]

54 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

I don't really know. I trust Jason Schreier over any insider, any day. And GTA VI was considered to be early in development, as of April 2020. Which matched with my own analysis. I'd guess, anywhere from 30% - 40%

Keep in mind, the game is still years away. I believe what those insiders could have heard was misunderstood information. The game may have been 70% complete, but still had years left of QA to do, and a lot of work still left to do on the content that they had done. For example, looking at the bug log for GTA V, they had all the missions worked out as of 2011, but they were still working on them up until 2013. A lot. So that 70% may have represented the structure and framework of the game (missions, side missions, activities, general map and locations, etc). But that's just what they could have been told. key word could.

 

But the game is still years away, hasn't even been announced yet. So based on that, 30% - 40% with a little over 3 years left to go sounds about right, presuming full development bagan after RDR2 released, just under 2 years ago. Admittedly, that's more of a progress bar percentage.

 

You mean Jason "lolicon fantasy" Schrier? I wouldn't take his word over anything either. Best shot we have is waiting for an official announcement. Don't think anything's happening year but who knows. At least we got a new Mafia.

[ArthurZussman]

Imo, GTA VI will be announced in final 2021 or beginning of 2022, for launch scheduled for 2023 in September/October. It's only a dream waiting for a announcement this year

[Len Lfc]

1 minute ago, anizawa said:

You mean Jason "lolicon fantasy" Schrier? I wouldn't take his word over anything either.

No, I'm talking about the Jason Schreier who has a near flawless track record, multiple contacts within the industry and is respected enough for actual game developers to anonymously share details about working conditions with him.

[anizawa]

Just now, Len Lfc said:

No, I'm talking about the Jason Schreier who has a near flawless track record, multiple contacts within the industry and is respected enough for actual game developers to anonymously share details about working conditions with him.

Kinda going into off-topic territory here but Jason had all the research and leg work done for him. He was in the right place at the right time, now that he's out of Kotaku don't expect to see anything worthwhile outta him, the amount of people that take everything he says at face value is sad tbh

[Len Lfc]

Just now, anizawa said:

Kinda going into off-topic territory here but Jason had all the research and leg work done for him. He was in the right place at the right time, now that he's out of Kotaku don't expect to see anything worthwhile outta him, the amount of people that take everything he says at face value is sad tbh

And so is denying his work for no reason. Follow everything he does, his track record speaks for itself. Kotaku was just where he worked, and now that he's at Bloomberg, he will do the same as he has before. Except now his work is published there, not Kotaku. I don't know why you are so against him.

He's very quick to block people, and argue, and I'm no a huge fan of his in that respect. But his work is great and I won't argue with that.

[anizawa]

1 minute ago, Len Lfc said:

And so is denying his work for no reason. Follow everything he does, his track record speaks for itself. Kotaku was just where he worked, and now that he's at Bloomberg, he will do the same as he has before. Except now his work is published there, not Kotaku. I don't know why you are so against him.

He's very quick to block people, and argue, and I'm no a huge fan of his in that respect. But his work is great and I won't argue with that.

We could talk privately on the matter if you're interested, my main qualms are with the whole neo-gaming 'journalist' movement and Kotaku (which is nearly dead, thank f*ck). I'm just saying that you're not getting any GTA-related news outta him. 

[marquuard]

2 minutes ago, anizawa said:

...Jason had all the research and leg work done for him. He was in the right place at the right time

I think this pretty much applies to Yan who is blessed to heaven here despite he hasn't leaked a single thing for a while.

 

[Len Lfc]

1 minute ago, anizawa said:

We could talk privately on the matter if you're interested, my main qualms are with the whole neo-gaming 'journalist' movement and Kotaku (which is nearly dead, thank f*ck). I'm just saying that you're not getting any GTA-related news outta him. 

That's fine. I don't like to go down that route, as often it leads to never ending disagreement, etc. All I'm saying is what jason reports is always true, or at least true at the time of reporting. The most recent examples were AC being viking themed, and Rocksteady doing a Suicide Squad game, that he told us over a year ago. I know we're not getting any GTA news out of him, besides what we've already heard: GTA is next, and it's early in development, which if you were ever paying attention you would already know anyway.

 

But if Jason says something, you can be 99% certain it's true. Kotaku =/= Jason

[Kirsty]

Jason is doing good things at the moment exposing game developer abuse/crunch/underpaid work etc. Only frustrating thing is that you can't easily read his articles anymore because of the Bloomberg paywall, which kinda defeats the purpose of making sure it spreads as far as possible and these game developers get the help they need. 

[seth297]

jason s has a solid record so to question him when he interview rockstar employees is nonsense . 

people have taken the whole early development out of context that could just mean early development as in it ramped up production in 2018 which is likely anyway he even said after gta v for ps5 got announced he expects the game in 2022 2023 which is about right. 

a smaller title with the success of online and the crunch of rdr2 its not shocking . 

a shorter story about the same size of gta v seems likely the question is the map size i have said vice city only maybe but i can see the everglades in a south florida version of the gta v map  for the reason map size i concede is not everything the reason rdr 2 was crunch related was the sheer level of detail in rdr 2 not the size of the map. 

[Len Lfc]

1 minute ago, Kirsty said:

Jason is doing good things at the moment exposing game developer abuse/crunch/underpaid work etc. Only frustrating thing is that you can't easily read his articles anymore because of the Bloomberg paywall, which kinda defeats the purpose of making sure it spreads as far as possible and these game developers get the help they need. 

Yeah, same with The Athletic (if you're a football fan) a lot of good writers going behind a paywall is amazing for the quality of their work. But... I don't get to read it. Too many subscriptions and things I enjoy to pay for yet more...

[marquuard]

You can try to search for certain keywords like "8yp422" and "p4yw4ll" and "plug1n" on Google and you'll be overwhelmingly surprised by the methods offered for jumping across some hurdles.

[B_E_N_1992]

Do you think the Airboat (swamp boat) will be in VI?

 

It has to be as it’s a quick way to get around The Everglades.

[Kerminator369]

12 hours ago, Gtaman_92 said:

I wonder what his reaction was when V was announced for PS5 and Xbox Series X lmao.

picking his money back up probably 

1 hour ago, Kirsty said:

Jason is doing good things at the moment exposing game developer abuse/crunch/underpaid work etc. Only frustrating thing is that you can't easily read his articles anymore because of the Bloomberg paywall, which kinda defeats the purpose of making sure it spreads as far as possible and these game developers get the help they need. 

He exposes when its convenient for him. Hence the bloomberg paywall 

Hes not a journalistic hero 

[HippyHagrid]

I don't agree with a few takes and opinions Schreier has but I sure believe any leaks he releases. I defended him a few months ago when many people on the forum were joking about him and holding this tweet above everything else,

around the preacher craze. Now that the preacher hype has died since the GTA 5 remaster reveal came, most of the dismissal has gone. Which is a good thing, imo.

[Zapper]

6 minutes ago, HippyHagrid said:

I don't agree with a few takes and opinions Schreier has but I sure believe any leaks he releases. I defended him a few months ago when many people on the forum were joking about him and holding this tweet above everything else,

People took his words in an entirely different way. Partly it was Schreier's fault for not providing context for the phrase 'years away'. All of us straight up thought about an extreme 2024-'25 release and got riled up when Schreier himself predicted a 2022-'23 release later in a podcast which was in line with expectations. (Hell I even memed Jason ffs!)

 

Quote

“I will say, that I know a lot of people out there, especially a lot of avid GTA fans, probably skewing younger have been upset because I said that GTA 6 was in kinda early development and won’t be out for a few years,”

Also further expressing, 

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“I think GTA 5 coming out next year to PS5 is evidence of that, [and if that isn’t evidence of a later GTA 6 release] then I don’t know what else is. Because GTA 6 is a ways away. Like, I wouldn’t expect that game until maybe the end of 2022, 2023. I think [that’s more realistic] for a game like that.”

All of it comes back to 2022-'23 again just like @Len Lfc said. I was always skewed towards 2022 but 2023 is more likely now. 

[Len Lfc]

23 minutes ago, B_E_N_1992 said:

Do you think the Airboat (swamp boat) will be in VI?

 

It has to be as it’s a quick way to get around The Everglades.

Absolutely! I mentioned this last year, and linked a video to something.

 

I think Jason said it best: It's not what fans want to hear. People like comforting lies as opposed to painful truths.

[Zello]

3 hours ago, B_E_N_1992 said:

If GTA VI is announced this year, I will fall in love with Rockstar again. 
 

Currently we’re not on playing terms.

 

My relationship with Rockstar.

[seth297]

quite obvious what rockstar plan is moving  in to the future. 

gta online standalone and charging people for it is map exapansions. 

liberty city first if they are redoing vice city why would you not redo a already hd city which was a planed map expansion before .

and rockstar making the new online free for the first three months makes me more confident thats about the average time  between updates summer to winter probably a little later next year reason is get people to buy ps5 lc free for three months would be a selling point. 

as for vice city i am confident gta 6 will be sp only which would allow rockstar to double dip in a way same as gta v people who only want sp can buy it people want both pay for both. 

 

[GTAhare]

It totally makes sense that GTA 6 is early in development. Red Dead Redemption 2 used so much of their resources it’s impossible they were in the background just making GTA 6 when RDR2 was using their resources. Now RDR2 is over with and they’re making GTA 6.

 

One thing however that I find to be pretty hilarious is when people suggest Rockstar won’t make GTA 6. Jason already confirmed it’s in development. I am not the biggest fan of GTA 5 coming to the PS5 (it’s a great game but Rockstar should’ve just put out a smaller title in my view, though it makes perfect sense financially.) but that’s how game development works now. Games are now bigger and more detailed and as technology improves it only makes game development take longer as the details add up. Rockstar not making GTA 6 would be like Disney buying Star Wars only to rerelease the franchise for years over. GTA Online makes a lot of money, yes, but so will GTA 6 and it’s own Online mode. Rockstar never making GTA 6 and instead releasing Online updates forever wouldn’t make sense financially because sooner or later the game will become too outdated and people will lose interest, and thus profits would plummet.

 

I am worried about GTA 6 for numerous reasons, but I’m also cautiously optimistic. Having a GTA game for the next gen hardware is exciting just thinking about it. A lot of long-term people at Rockstar are leaving but it has been revealed many of them were pretty problematic and actively prevented the implementation of better game mechanics. I’m sure there is a corporate influence over Rockstar and internal conflict and frustration but we got Red Dead Redemption 2-one of the greatest single player experiences of this generation-only nearly two years ago. With GTA 6 possibly being a “moderately-sized” release perhaps some of the RDR2 magic may be lost but GTA 6 regardless of its scope will have a huge advantage over all previous Rockstar games in its (most likely) being developed for hardware that is far beyond what both GTA 5 and RDR2 were developed for.

 

I saw somewhere people comment how Rockstar now only has shark card folks. No more single player DLC is frustrating but the fact is people seem to forget RDR2 was a thing. I’m sure there’s internal conflict at Rockstar but I’m sure there are a decent number of passionate developers who want to create the best games they can despite having to appeal to a corporate parent company. It’s honestly disrespectful to developers at Rockstar to lump them all in as being shark card people when the devs can’t even control that. Again not to mention quite a few of these “beloved” long-term people at Rockstar were not very prudent people according to insider information Jason revealed.

 

GTA 6 will usher in a new era of Rockstar that I’m both very excited and somewhat worried about. I think how GTA 6 turns out will determine what future games will be like. Seeing how I still like to play GTA 5 every now and then and am still amazed at the details I think GTA 6 will at the very least be a fairly good game, even if it has a low emphasis on single player and isn’t much bigger or even smaller than GTA 5, because GTA 5 is still a fairly large game even for today’s standards.

 

I’ve been really enjoying the ride to GTA 6 so far. Here’s to 2021 and an announcement late that year!

[Zello]

 

A GTA and RDR crossover 

[Orthur]

8 hours ago, Zapper said:

People took his words in an entirely different way. Partly it was Schreier's fault for not providing context for the phrase 'years away'. All of us straight up thought about an extreme 2024-'25 release and got riled up when Schreier himself predicted a 2022-'23 release later in a podcast which was in line with expectations. (Hell I even memed Jason ffs!)

 

Also further expressing, 

All of it comes back to 2022-'23 again just like @Len Lfc said. I was always skewed towards 2022 but 2023 is more likely now. 

If Jason himself says it's 2022-2023 then 2020 Announcement is more plausible, if the release is still planned for 2022 and not delayed to hell by the current situation.

[Gentle_Shelby]

7 hours ago, GTAhare said:

I find to be pretty hilarious is when people suggest Rockstar won’t make GTA 6. Jason already confirmed it’s in development.

So was Agent.

 

/s

[PacVCF10]

2 hours ago, Gentle_Shelby said:

So was Agent.

 

/s

And Sp dlc's

[Middle Class Roadman]

I personally think that Jason Schreier's name should be bleeped out when typed. 

[Gentle_Shelby]

2 minutes ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

I personally think that Jason Schreier's name should be bleeped out when typed. 

Fam we ain't in China. Chill with the censorship. It's enough we can't use the L word out here no more.

[MagicManGotNoJams]

About that dude who is Rockstar follows on Twitter. Maybe it's for the new Heist coming in December? If he did some work on GTA V that could be the thing or maybe even some next gen stuff for GTA V.