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Niobium

Was Vic Vance a hypocrite?

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Niobium
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it's been sometime since i played vice city stories (which i consider to be my favorite 3d-era GTA). i remember liking vic vance for being a badass but having a soft side to him, and i appreciated rockstar's first attempt at a more humane protagonist.

 

people considered vic vance to be a hypocrite because he says he hates drugs but still gets involved with them. but my impression was that vic was dragged deeper and deeper into the criminal world due to the circumstances surrounding him, and that his brother lance certainly did not help either. (i just kind of ignore his appearance in vice city btw, because he looks and behaves like a completely different person.) what do you guys think?

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Utopianthumbs

I guess he is considering at the end of VCS he emphatically says he wants nothing to do with drugs but at the beginning of VC he's happily conducting a drug deal. 

 

But that could be inconsistency across timelines. Strictly considering the events of VCS, like you said his involvement with drugs was due to Lance getting him involved with people like the Mendez bros and Diaz. I guess he was just doing what he could to survive, as he tells Diaz on meeting him, 'I don't wanna deal drugs but I don't have a choice'. But then you could also voluntarily involve yourself with drugs in the empire building side mission, when Vic has other options of building his empire so that's another inconsistency. 

 

To conclude, Vic was partly a victim of circumstance due to getting kicked out of the army and partly ushered into it by Lance. He was doing what he could to survive, and it's Vice City so he had no other option but to deal in drugs I suppose. Still makes him kind of a hypocrite though, especially since he's still dealing in it in VC when at the end of VCS he didn't have to and could have left town as he himself said he wanted to. 

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GTAFanLuca

Victor Vance was indeed forced by the circumstances around him to do what he did. Remember that even while working with Reni, he constantly reminds him/her that he is doing this for his brother. If we are to take into consideration all the information we can get from Vice City and Vice City Stories, Victor Vance left town in 1984 (as we can see in the final cutscene when he enters the helicopter with Lance) and then returned in 1986 (as he is seen coming out from another helicopter). Well, of course he could still be seen in Vice City after the last mission of VCS, how else could you finish any leftover side missions?

 

In the game files of Vice City, it's claimed that Victor and Lance would be the owners of a farm in Panama. Who knows? Maybe they started that as some sort of business, but later on Lance convinced Victor once again that also planting drugs would be a good idea. And we do get reminded of Lance's bratty personality in Vice City, even though he seems quite different (remember how he complains about his dead brother who patronized him, and then Vice City Stories showed us why the situation was like that). Lance was indeed a bad influence as a brother.

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universetwisters

Yes. He could've just gotten a job at a local burger place, worked his way up to becoming manager with a strong work ethic, and saved up to attend cheap 1980s college to obtain a business degree while still managing the local burger place. Upon obtaining his degree, Vic would apply to all the Vice-based corporations with vacancies to fill with his college credentials (as well as using the higher-ups from the burger place as well as his college professors as references), eventually getting a job in a cubicle, working his way up to an office, all while making a nice salary to comfortably support himself and Pete.


But NOOOOOOooooo he just HAS to go against his principles and sell drugs and get killed in two years

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OmarMohammed

True, Vic was Like " BrO I dOn'T liKe To TOucH ThAt SH*t" 2 years later gets killed by an ambush-drug deal, even when he solved his problem's 

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Niobium
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it's hard for me to agree that vic was a hypocrite because of VC, when vic is a completely different character from VC than he is in VCS. vic in VC looks fatter, dumber, and has an accent for some reason. it's almost like they retconned vic vance to be a better character, lol

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JetNormalGuy

He is an inconsistent character, thats what happens when they use a dude we never knew in vice city as a protag in a smaller gta game.

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iiCriminnaaL 49

They could've avoided all of that had they just confirmed that the guy in Vice City was Pete rather than Victor.

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OmarMohammed
2 hours ago, Niobium said:

, and has an accent for some reason. 

I think we have a deal my friend HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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JetNormalGuy
2 hours ago, OmarMohammed said:

I think we have a deal my friend HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*proceeds to get shot like a bitch*

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Utopianthumbs
8 hours ago, Niobium said:

it's hard for me to agree that vic was a hypocrite because of VC, when vic is a completely different character from VC than he is in VCS. vic in VC looks fatter, dumber, and has an accent for some reason. it's almost like they retconned vic vance to be a better character, lol

Even if you just consider VCS, while Vic hates drugs part of his empire is built on it(if not a major part), plus he's dealing with it several times in missions with Lance, Mendez', Gonzalez, Diaz despite stating his distaste for them multiple times. So i still think he kinda is a hypocrite. Not that it detracts from his character in my view, it's like he had to do it to survive. 

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AlexGRFan97

It's called "Rockstar being R*-tarded and applying retroactive continuity to a character who none of their attributes as a protagonist are mirrored in their earlier brief appearance."

Again, all they had to do was not say it was Vic or say it was Pete instead. But rather than that, they want their playerbase to believe that a strong, independent Dominican who always stood up for what was right and singlehandedly took down his own superior in the military, all the while building a powerful business empire across the entire state is suddenly this fat, bumbling drug dealer with a full head of hair and a strong accent within the span of 2 years.

 

Yeah, no. Rockstar can stick its head up its own ass for all I care. "Supplier" is not Vic, end of story. IDGAF what the "Word of God" says it is.

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The Made Man

`Vic Vance is probably my least favorite protagonist. Not only that but people talk about CJ being written badly Vic is the definition of that. Also is this dude and his brother Black-American, Dominican or White? Like WTF? 

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The Made Man
15 hours ago, AlexGRFan97 said:

It's called "Rockstar being R*-tarded and applying retroactive continuity to a character who none of their attributes as a protagonist are mirrored in their earlier brief appearance."

Again, all they had to do was not say it was Vic or say it was Pete instead. But rather than that, they want their playerbase to believe that a strong, independent Dominican who always stood up for what was right and singlehandedly took down his own superior in the military, all the while building a powerful business empire across the entire state is suddenly this fat, bumbling drug dealer with a full head of hair and a strong accent within the span of 2 years.

 

Yeah, no. Rockstar can stick its head up its own ass for all I care. "Supplier" is not Vic, end of story. IDGAF what the "Word of God" says it is.

Not only that Lance Vance(in both VC and VCS) and Vic(in VCS) did not appear Dominican or of Dominican descent at all. I thought Lance Vance and Vic were African-American based on their looks(I know Dominicans can be very dark skinned and that there is no one AA look lol) and accent. Second, when did they have a White mother which made it more confusing? The two brothers do not look biracial at all. 

 

VCS was one big continuity mess. 

 

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They shouldve made Vic more like Arthur tbh, maybe instead of making him look clean cut from the get go they shouldve established Vic as sort of an army smuggler for a cartel or something (theyre at fort baxter AIR base), who works in conjunction with Martinez to help support Pete, before he is betrayed by him in a set-up that discharges him and almost kills him. He goes freelance, and soon Lance finds out about this. Excited by the prospect of engaging in drug deals, large scale shootouts and the fast life, he hops on a plane and flies to Vice City to help out with his brother.

 

Character wise, they could write vic in such a way that he is secretly averse to drugs, but he has no choice but to deal because he knows that this is the only source of income that can support his brother and family.

 

That way, there is actually more chacterization for Vic, Martinez and Lance and the reason for vic going after M feels much more justified, and wouldve made the final mission much more impactful and vics death in vice city less surprising tbh.

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watersgta3
On 3/29/2020 at 6:49 PM, The Made Man said:

Not only that Lance Vance(in both VC and VCS) and Vic(in VCS) did not appear Dominican or of Dominican descent at all. I thought Lance Vance and Vic were African-American based on their looks(I know Dominicans can be very dark skinned and that there is no one AA look lol) and accent. Second, when did they have a White mother which made it more confusing? The two brothers do not look biracial at all. 

 

VCS was one big continuity mess. 

 

Maybe Janet is really Vic and Lance's stepmother and that their real mother was also dark-skinned like their father and sometime after Pete's birth, their mother passed away when the brothers were very young, thus having very little knowledge of their real mother, and their father married Janet shortly after and became the boys' stepmother they grew older to see her as their mother since they never grew to know their real mother. That would make much more sense.

 

BOT: If I rewrote Vic's character to make him a lot less of a hypocrite, I would have it in a way where he's only forced into crime life when he gets attacked by the Cholos while enjoying his conventional job and has no other choice but to adapt to the criminal world in order to survive. As for the drugs, we can have it be that the reason he finally decides to build drug empires is because he and Lance need to save their skin from the Mendez Bros and build it in orders of them to pay them back as they work as partner pairs.

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