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Why Vice City WORKS in modern times(my arguments)


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12 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

Imagine if the game had a story with elements such as

 

- The revenge story and working for multiple organizations only to betray them like GTA III

 

- The buying all properties in the city and taking down every other Crime Bosses like GTA VC

 

- The building up your gang reputation and taking over territories like in GTA SA

 

- Working for and with different peoples and making allies like in GTA IV

 

- A drug story like Narcos and Breaking Bad

 

And what if on top of that, we also had a side story where we would own a garage and steal vehicles and customize them, and even organize illegal street races. You know, kind of like how this game is called Grand Theft Auto

 

 

It can be for street racing cuz Miami has a thriving street racing culture. And car customization is big there. Street racing can return bigger like it was in GTA SA. 

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40 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

 

What reason would DC need to be in the game? There needs to be a reason.... With a Latin American(or Caribbean) city it makes sense because the drugs in Miami come from Latin America and many immigrants from Miami are from Latin America. With DC? What's the purpose? Also why skip over Atlanta? Atlanta has more in common with Miami(at least the Black culture) than DC and Miami criminals have set up shop in Atlanta. DC seems random. As for Liberty City? Yes, NYers constantly go down into Miami(even the criminals) but why Liberty city again? Why would Rockstar waste map time adding a city they already did? Just saying. 

 

Vice City really works on its own. The city and surrounding areas such as everglades and even smaller cities like Fort Launderdale are enough imo. But.... Adding a Latin American/Caribbean city makes the game even better because they and Vice City/Miami go together. DC? Just seems random. 


R* could easily do the entire east and southern coast if they want and add locations such as Atlanta, Boston, Philly, DC and Baltimore all of which are major drug hub cities. Miami ain’t the only city known for drug trafficking you know.

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5 minutes ago, Gtaman_92 said:


R* could easily do the entire east and southern coast if they want and add locations such as Atlanta, Philly, DC and Baltimore all of which are major drug hub cities. Miami ain’t the only city known for drug trafficking you know.

Miami obviously isn't the only southern coast city with drug trafficking but its the MAIN one and the biggest getaway for drugs. Again, the question is.... Why do we need all these cities? My not just Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Orlando or Tampa? Which are all southern Florida cities. And are all interconnected in terms of underworld and thus makes sense for the story? Yea they can make an East Coast map but they'll be sacrificing details. 

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19 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

Miami obviously isn't the only southern coast city with drug trafficking but its the MAIN one and the biggest getaway for drugs. Again, the question is.... Why do we need all these cities? My not just Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Hollywood, Orlando or Tampa? Which are all southern Florida cities. And are all interconnected in terms of underworld and thus makes sense for the story? 


R* could do a “Freeway” Rick Ross and Rayful Edmonds type storyline involving a small time dealer doing odd jobs in a smaller east coast city such as DC before making his way to Vice City to make a bigger name for himself before eventually becoming a drug kingpin in the process. He would then expand his drug empire to other cities across the south and east coast. You see what I’m saying? Obviously it would very ideal for R* set VI in only Vice City and other Florida cities along with the Caribbean but them adding other cities outside of Florida, Southern America and the Caribbean isn’t out of the realm of possibilities as well. I believe that R* could make it work.

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25 minutes ago, Gtaman_92 said:


R* could do a “Freeway” Rick Ross and Rayful Edmonds type storyline involving a small time dealer doing odd jobs in a smaller east coast city such as DC before making his way to Vice City to make a bigger name for himself before eventually becoming a drug kingpin in the process. He would then expand his drug empire to other cities across the south and east coast. You see what I’m saying? Obviously it would very ideal for R* set VI in only Vice City and other Florida cities along with the Caribbean but them adding other cities outside of Florida, Southern America and the Caribbean isn’t out of the realm of possibilities as well. I believe that R* could make it work.

I definitely see what you're saying and now agree. But really southern Florida alone can hold its own. 

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10 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

I definitely see what you're saying and now agree. But really southern Florida alone can hold its own. 


Yeah, I still prefer for it to be set only in Florida and the Caribbean.

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59 minutes ago, Gtaman_92 said:


Yeah, I still prefer for it to be set only in Florida and the Caribbean.

All I'm saying is that VC needs to get its shine first and then after R can venture into something very different. 

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Alright, it’s time for me to do crazy speculations again. So here is my GTA VI release date theory:

 

GTA V started development in April 2008 just a few days after GTA IV release. It was announced 3 years later in October 2011, the development finished 2 years later in summer 2013, then it was release a few months later in September 2013. 

In total, GTA V took 5 years of development and it released exactly 5 years after GTA IV.

 

Now we have RDR2, which started development in May 2010, again just a few days after RDR release. It was announced 6 years later in October 2016, RDR2 is then set to release in 2017. the development finish in early 2017, but the game release is pushed back for October 2018, because R* to retouch some stuff in the game. A year later, the game release in October 2018.

In total, RDR2 took 7 years of development and it released exactly 8 years after RDR.

 

So based on that, we know that RDR2 development started 2 years after GTA V started development or 1 year before GTA V was announced, and it released 5 years after GTA V release. Knowing how detailed and how much effort was putted in RDR2 and all the infos above, I have a scenario (this is my scenario, so feel free to make your own one) :

 

GTA VI start developing in 2015, and the reason why I choose 2015 over 2013 and 2014, is simply because in 2013 and 2014, Rockstar where both focused on developing RDR2 and making enhanced ports of GTA V on Ps4, Xbox One and PC. So between GTA V PC release in early 2015 and RDR2 announcement and marketing by late 2016, they had a full year to start developing, writing a story, finding actors, scouting and starting to find ideas and features for GTA VI.

 

Now as we know, RDR2 took 7 years to make and it’s the most ambitious and most detailed game they made, which required a lot of time and effort. Let’s assume that GTA VI have a development time of 7 years like RDR2. If they started as soon as the PC release of GTA V came out in April 2015, then the development would probably be done for summer 2023, which would be 5 years after the release of RDR2, and would follow the 5 years pattern between each game like GTA IV, GTA V and RDR2.... Assuming that the game will most likely finish being developed in summer 2023, and since Rockstar seems to love releasing there games around the month of October, then I will go for an October 2023 release for GTA VI.


Now for the announcement part. As we have seen with GTA V and RDR2, Rockstar Games seems to announce their game 2 years before the release. From what I have learned with GTA V and RDR2 development, both games where announced 1 year before the supposed release date, but they ended pushing back the game release 1 year later, for many reasons such as polishing the game, or to avoid competition with other major games (like GTA IV did back in 2007 due to HALO’s release).


So I am expecting an announcement for next year either around April 2021 or October 2021.

So now let’s recap all of that :


1. GTA VI start development around April 2015

2. GTA VI gets announced 6 years later in October 2021 (could be around April too)

3. GTA VI is set to release in 2022

4. In early 2022, GTA VI release date is delayed to October 2023

5. The development finish in late 2022

6. GTA VI gets released on the PS5 and Xbox Series X on October 2023


Since in 2023 both consoles would have been out for 2 and a half years, a lot of peoples will have already buy them and it will then be pointless to release GTA VI for PS4 and Xbox One which would have been outdated

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8 hours ago, The Made Man said:

And yet GTA Vice City was about the drug trade and no one. And I mean no one found that game "boring." Instead it is among everyone's top favorite. 

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I'm going to have to disagree with that. In Vice City Tommy barely touched drugs at all. Only at the beginning when the drug deal went wrong and the Ice cream truck asset mission. Very few missions in Vice City dealt with the drug trade.

 

Vice City stories though did have more involvement with drugs.

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8 minutes ago, Zello said:

I'm going to have to disagree with that. In Vice City Tommy barely touched drugs at all. Only at the beginning when the drug deal went wrong and the Ice cream truck asset mission. Very few missions in Vice City dealt with the drug trade.

The Haitian/Cuban missions dealt with drugs especially when you destroy the Haitian drug factory. Richardo Diaz missions were all drug based. The boatyard missions again all drug smuggling. Vercetti's main source of income were drugs which enabled him to buy all those properties(like in real life Miami) to clean his money. 

 

Edit: In the final scene of GTA VC Tommy himself even calls himself a "drug dealer." 

 

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Vice City stories though did have more involvement with drugs.

 

Yes, and they were still fun and creative. 

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19 hours ago, MrBreak16 said:

Alright, it’s time for me to do crazy speculations again. So here is my GTA VI release date theory :
 

GTA V started development in April 2008 just a few days after GTA IV release. It was announced 3 years later in October 2011, the development finished 2 years later in summer 2013, then it was release a few months later in September 2013. 
In total, GTA V took 5 years of development and it released exactly 5 years after GTA IV.

 

Now we have RDR2, which started development in May 2010, again just a few days after RDR release. It was announced 6 years later in October 2016, the development finish 2 years later in summer 2018 and the game release a few months later in October 2018.

In total, RDR2 took 7 years of development and it released exactly 8 years after RDR.

 

So based on that, we know that RDR2 development started 2 years after GTA V started development or 1 year before GTA V was announced, and it released 5 years after GTA V release. Knowing how detailed and how much effort was putted in RDR2 and all the infos above, I have a scenario (this is my scenario, so feel free to make your own one) :

 

 

GTA VI start developing in 2015, and the reason why I choose 2015 over 2013 and 2014, is simply because in 2013 and 2014, Rockstar where both focused on developing RDR2 and making enhanced ports of GTA V on Ps4, Xbox One and PC. So between GTA V PC release in early 2015 and RDR2 announcement and marketing by late 2016, they had a full year to start developing, writing a story, finding actors, scouting and starting to find ideas and features for GTA VI.

 

Now as we know, RDR2 took 7 years to make and it’s the most ambitious and most detailed game they made, which required a lot of time and effort. Let’s assume that GTA VI have a development time of 7 years like RDR2. If they started as soon as the PC release of GTA V came out in April 2015, then the development would probably be done for summer 2023, which would be 5 years after the release of RDR2, and would follow the 5 years pattern between each game like GTA IV, GTA V and RDR2.... Assuming that the game will most likely finish being developed in summer 2023, and since Rockstar seems to love releasing there games around the month of October, then I will go for an October 2023 release for GTA VI.

 

Now for the announcement part. As we have seen with GTA V and RDR2, Rockstar Games seems to announce their game 2 years before the release. From what I have learned with GTA V and RDR2 development, both games where announced 1 year before the supposed release date, but they ended pushing back the game release 1 year later, for many reasons such as polishing the game, or to avoid competition with other major games (like GTA IV did back in 2007 due to HALO’s release).

 

So I am expecting an announcement for next year either around April 2021 or October 2021.

 

So now let’s recap all of that :

 

1. GTA VI start development around April 2015

2. GTA VI gets announced 6 years later in October 2021 (could be around April too!)

3. GTA VI is set to release in 2022

4. GTA VI release date is delayed to October 2023

5. GTA VI finish development in summer 2023

6. GTA VI gets released on the PS5 and Xbox Series X on October 2023

 

Since in 2023 both consoles would have been out for 2 and a half years, a lot of peoples will have already buy them and it will then be pointless to release GTA VI for PS4 and Xbox One which would have been outdated

Hey, I know you mean well, but I'm not certain that's how the timeline went.

 

Development started after the PC version was released in late 2008. There was an interview-based article explaining this in 2013, that their GTA 5 project began in late 2008/early 2009. It wasn't earlier than that at all.

 

Full fledged production began after the release of RDR in May 2010. By September 2010, they were now doing motion capture and recording.

 

They said that GTA 5 took "roughly" 3 years. Not "over" 3 years, but "roughly". It sounds like very close 36-37 months as opposed to 3.5 years, to August 2013.

 

Within little over a year, they announced the game on October 25, 2011 and released a trailer on November 2, 2011. November 2012 was a date of release targetted.

 

During 2012, a delay came to be known and spring 2013 mentioned as the release date.

 

Towards late 2012, GTA 5 was announced for Fall 2013 release. Max Payne did not help with the timing, pushing it from spring.

 

August 25, 2013 was the day GTA 5 production was wholly wrapped and submitted for manufacturing.

 

Just 3 weeks and 2 days after being submitted, it was released September 17, 2013. The gap between completion and release isn't that long.

 

RDR 2 might have begun planning in early 2011, but actual production didn't start until 2013, ironically the same year that GTA 5 was released. It was targeted for October 2017 release, but went into development hell and launched 1 year later.

 

I believe GTA 6 project began in 2015, after release of all versions of the core GTA 5 game was achieved. The pre-production phase just might've taken much longer than the year and half long period it was for GTA 5.

 

In 2017 or 2018, production on GTA 6 began. It just might 4-5 years to execute, releasing in 2022 versus the 36 months for GTA 5 between Q3 2010 and August 25, 2013.

 

When they've released HD trailers in the past, it has always been an expectation of 12 to 18 months out, but delays then occur.

 

22.5 months elapsed between GTA 5 trailer and initial release, including delays.

 

GTA IV planning began in November 2004 and was completed ultimately around February 2008. Niko's voice actor began his work around November 2006 during a Broadway production, a mere 4 to almost 5 months before the first trailer surfaced in March 2007.

 

They announced the game in May 2006, just 18 months after start of planning and 10 months prior to trailer 1. It was due for October 2007, eventually becoming April 2008.

 

I am confident about a 2022 release date barring COVID-19, as 4 years should suffice for a bigger effort and still (come under 10 years since last release), plus be spaced out from RDR 2 (October 2018)

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And as for this thread, the people in support of a modern Miami have well written responses and educated viewpoints.

 

It was about time that someone give a good perspective for once, on why calling Miami "bland" today was a load of opinionated crock and make the case for a modern day Miami.

 

There is so much to do with the beautiful atmosphere and cultural landscape of 21st century Miami, with these newer game engines. 

 

I will actually be disappointed if they go and rehash Los Santos or Liberty City. They've had their shine, now it's Vice City's turn.😎

 

And to be honest a game called Driv3r comes to mind  which although it had so many problems with glitching, the design and game engine showed so much potential of an HD Vice City setting, if done by an even more cash rich entity like R/T2

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1 hour ago, RenegadeAngel said:

Excellent analysis, man. Thank you! I plan on visiting Miami myself after/if all that corona mess is dealt with. Always had faith in Modern Vice City as the main setting, so will personally see if my faith is justified🙂

Have fun. Don't listen to some of these posters "modern Miami" is is lit af. Idk what type of traveler you are but bring comfortable amount of cash(dont wanna be broke down there), good amount of condoms and explore Miami Beach. Dope ass clubs and bars at every corner and a lot of action to get into especially at night. And some fine ass Latinas walking around. Heck women of every ethnicity. If you go into the mainland I'd only stick to Little Havana or downtown Miami I'd avoid the hoods but thats easy. Also there's a bunch of dope daytime tours that you can do. But the biggest thing you'll have to do is fine a GOOD hotel because it will matter. 

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Just now, RenegadeAngel said:

Appreciate your advices! What bugs me the most, however, is bugs(pun intended). How's the situation with them crawling motherf*ckers? I heard it can get problematic at times.

lol. You gonna be in Miami Beach bro. You good. If you in a f*cked up area then yea they should be concerned. I been to Florida many times especially Orlando(have family that lives there) and never noticed bugs. My main concern would be expenses and how much cash you bring. 

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25 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

lol. You gonna be in Miami Beach bro. You good. If you in a f*cked up area then yea they should be concerned. I been to Florida many times especially Orlando(have family that lives there) and never noticed bugs. My main concern would be expenses and how much cash you bring. 

That's probably been my biggest concern about Miami lol.

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What if the poor houses in the slum areas of Vice City where infested with cockroaches and other annoying bugs. 
 

Also offtopic, but one time I realized that a cockroach was crawling on my leg while I was sitting at my desk. And when I saw it I jumped and looked around to see where it was, only to realize it was still on my leg, so i kicked it and I couldn’t saw it anymore, so I want downstair and took a shoe, when I came back, that little ni**er was on the wall, I was going to kick it and guess what : he started flying across the room 😳. I have never screamed so much in my life...

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13 minutes ago, CM1 said:

That's probably been my biggest concern about Miami lol.

In real life or the game? lol. 

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57 minutes ago, CM1 said:

Real life lol

Been to Florida many times and had no issues with bugs because I was in clean areas. 

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On 3/27/2020 at 1:44 PM, Forza_GTA said:


Rockstar knows that and will not make the suicidal choice of the past, this diversity is essential in the revenues generated by online
 

Why would they then even make and continuously update RDO, if the past is suicidal for online revenue?

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@MrBreak16 @JStarr31 @Official General @RenegadeAngel @iiCriminnaaL 49 @Copcaller @Zello

 

Here's how the everglades can be incorporated into the map. Fits perfectly

 

You even have people in the comment sections saying this fits will with GTA 6 lol.

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8 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

I found this thread that you made a while back, another good support for this thread :

 

 

 

Ahhhhh..... One of my OLD gems. 😁 Yep that is definitely how a Vice City modern setting should play out. Since that thread I would add better content though and update some things. And change some of the protagonists. But tbh that thread did age good not to brag lol.

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On 3/28/2020 at 3:46 AM, Gtaman_92 said:

Why not have it set in both the 80’s and the modern era? The majority of RDR 2 was in 1899 and the epilogue was in 1907. R* could easily set the first half of GTA VI in 80’s VC and then the latter half in present day VC.

So Rockstar has to make 2 sub par cities/pedestrians/soundtracks/stories etc instead of one highly detailed one? I'm glad you don't work for Rockstar.

What a dumb argument. Miami does not have global appeal because hardly any culture comes from Miami today compared to cities like LA NYC London and even Las Vegas. Outside of the typical 80s crap the only Miami thing the average person can identify would probably be Narcos which is hardly set there. Just because its humid and has a bunch of different south americans living there doesn't mean its relevant. Miami is flat, humid, and is only known for drugs and pr0n nowadays. Going back to Liberty City with either a scattered range of small towns in the countryside or having Miami as simply a secondary city is a much better choice. Going from LA to Miami would simply feel like a downgraded LA. 

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26 minutes ago, SherifWayne said:

So Rockstar has to make 2 sub par cities/pedestrians/soundtracks/stories etc instead of one highly detailed one? I'm glad you don't work for Rockstar.

What a dumb argument. Miami does not have global appeal because hardly any culture comes from Miami today compared to cities like LA NYC London and even Las Vegas. Outside of the typical 80s crap the only Miami thing the average person can identify would probably be Narcos which is hardly set there. Just because its humid and has a bunch of different south americans living there doesn't mean its relevant. Miami is flat, humid, and is only known for drugs and pr0n nowadays. Going back to Liberty City with either a scattered range of small towns in the countryside or having Miami as simply a secondary city is a much better choice. Going from LA to Miami would simply feel like a downgraded LA. 

Have you even been to Miami let alone LIVE in America making this ridiculous posts.

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Also if you wanna talk about culture. California Hip Hop scene has been dead/stagnate with just Top Dawg artists. Meanwhile Southern Florida has been popping out new and new artists by the year. TF you even talking about? And what culture comes from London that influences us Americans(no offense to London people). And Las Vegas today is IRRELEVANT outside of casinos. The hell????  This post is all around laughable. 

 

Edit: No one wants to go back to freaking New York and this is coming from a person that lives there. LOL. 

10 hours ago, MrBreak16 said:

Check out this map by Sexualizer :

 

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Like the map detail but... The map looks weird with a very BIG rural area that is empty with a tiny Vice City. 

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16 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

 Like the map detail but... The map looks weird with a very BIG rural area that is empty with a tiny Vice City. 

Oh, the map isn’t finished yet

 

 

39 minutes ago, SherifWayne said:

Miami does not have global appeal because hardly any culture comes from Miami today compared to cities like LA NYC London and even Las Vegas. Outside of the typical 80s crap the only Miami thing the average person can identify would probably be Narcos which is hardly set there. Just because its humid and has a bunch of different south americans living there doesn't mean its relevant. Miami is flat, humid, and is only known for drugs and pr0n nowadays. Going back to Liberty City with either a scattered range of small towns in the countryside or having Miami as simply a secondary city is a much better choice. Going from LA to Miami would simply feel like a downgraded LA. 

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9 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:


 

Oh, the map isn’t finished yet

 

Ah... Well then it has potential! 

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I'm now fully confident that people who say Miami today is "irrelevant" have zero social lives. lol. Homeboy really said Miami today is only known for the 80s narcos. Whats worse is that he said Las Vegas is more influential than Miami. lol!

 

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