Why Vice City WORKS in modern times(my arguments)

[Middle Class Roadman]

3 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

Thanks but you don't have to agree but only focusing on festivals made me think you not bother reading it entirely. I only used Miami's party/vacation culture as a start off to different key reasons. If modern Miami doesn't appeal to you then cool. But there are many cultural elements that need to be noted that makes it unique for a GTA game. Rockstar artists do not ignore the culture of a city when it comes to preparing for the next GTA location. Calling Miami "bland" is what I passionately disagree. 

 

First of all America in general is very plastic. And Rick Ross music videos are not a good enough judging of the city. As for the bolded what about Miami's strong Latin/Caribbean culture? We have not seen that hardly in films or music videos(you can correct me) and we definitely have not seen that in GTA 5. I'm talking about half the population speaking Spanish. I understand that many of us were annoyed with GTA 5 but events are constantly changing. A LOT has changed since 2013. 

 

But I'm going to be fair. What do YOU feel Rockstar should do new? 

 

 

 

Me calling Miami bland was in reference to the main stream materialistic, nightlife, celebrity culture it is known for. While some people may be fascinated by that I personally find that all to be incredibly bland, generic and plastic. Maybe I could have chosen my words differently, as I've observed you seem to be quite passionate about Miami and I don't intend to cause you any offence by my opinions or words. 

 

With regards to the Spanish/Latin presence you have highlighted, I feel like we have seen this twice before in GTA games so it wouldn't be that original. Vice City obviously had a huge Latin presence - guys like Umberto Robina, Colonel Cortez, Mercedes, Ricardo Diaz, Little Havana, The Cubans, the innumerable Latin pedestrians, Espantoso FM etc. Then of course in GTA IV we had Elizabetha, Manny Escuela, the Puerto Rican OG's out in Bohan, those Dominican gang bangers up in Northwood, Luis Lopes, Latin Kings, more Latin peds etc. My point is that we've had GTA games where there has been a big Spanish/Latin American presence so for me it wouldn't really be anything new. Also Spanish speaking communities aren't exactly rare in America, I'm pretty sure Spanish is the second most spoken language behind English so it's not exactly unique to have portions of major cities where Spanish is the most spoken language.

 

I personally would like Rockstar to take a gamble and set the game in a more obscure American city in a colder climate that hasn't been done before. For me the 1970's is the most ideal frame - mainly because it hasn't been done before and a lot happened during that decade that would present a lot of narrative opportunities. As discussed in my other thread The Wire done a great job of making an obscure, not well known city into something interesting and unique. I feel Rockstar has the creative capabilities to do the same. 

[MrBreak16]

We need more opinions

[The Made Man]

15 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

Me calling Miami bland was in reference to the main stream materialistic, nightlife, celebrity culture it is known for. While some people may be fascinated by that I personally find that all to be incredibly bland, generic and plastic. Maybe I could have chosen my words differently, as I've observed you seem to be quite passionate about Miami and I don't intend to cause you any offence by my opinions or words. 

Sorry for the late reply. Anyways.... 

 

Like I said that plastic culture exists throughout all of America especially the bigger cities. And that is what Rockstar is making fun of in GTA games. I don't know what to tell you? It exists in San Fransico, Las Vegas, Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, etc, etc. American culture is vert materialistic. Probably the most in the world. You are probably looking for a location outside of America. 

 

 

15 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

With regards to the Spanish/Latin presence you have highlighted, I feel like we have seen this twice before in GTA games so it wouldn't be that original. Vice City obviously had a huge Latin presence - guys like Umberto Robina, Colonel Cortez, Mercedes, Ricardo Diaz, Little Havana, The Cubans, the innumerable Latin pedestrians, Espantoso FM etc. Then of course in GTA IV we had Elizabetha, Manny Escuela, the Puerto Rican OG's out in Bohan, those Dominican gang bangers up in Northwood, Luis Lopes, Latin Kings, more Latin peds etc. My point is that we've had GTA games where there has been a big Spanish/Latin American presence so for me it wouldn't really be anything new. Also Spanish speaking communities aren't exactly rare in America, I'm pretty sure Spanish is the second most spoken language behind English so it's not exactly unique to have portions of major cities where Spanish is the most spoken language.

 

Uh.... Nah. Let me go over this again. I get your point but its not on the money. So let me go over his again.... I'm from NYC and I been to Washington Heights(Northwood) up in Uptown Manhattan and the South Bronx(South Bohan) in the Bronx and while those neighborhoods have a strong Latin influence(Dominican, Puerto Rican, Central American,etc) they have not been Latinized. You still have many Latinos there who not only speak English but many are second gen immigrants or third who never been to their countries. Again only neighborhoods. I been to South Bronx(South Bohan) many times and never felt like I was in a Little Puerto Rico, Dominican Rep or Central America. You still feel like you're in America. 

 

Like I said the entire city of Miami is Latinized. You have a significant population in Miami that was not born in America. Miami is literally an extension of Latin America to the point that many of the business owners, real estate owners, etc are FOREIGNERS who live outside the USA. This is not happening with  LA, Washington Heights, South Bronx, San Diego, etc.....

Miami: The fast-growing gateway to Latin America

https://drugstorenews.com/retail-news/miami-the-fast-growing-gateway-to-latin-america

 

 

For you to fully get what I'm saying you'll have to visit both NYC and Miami and then you'll see. 

15 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

I personally would like Rockstar to take a gamble and set the game in a more obscure American city in a colder climate that hasn't been done before. For me the 1970's is the most ideal frame - mainly because it hasn't been done before and a lot happened during that decade that would present a lot of narrative opportunities. As discussed in my other thread The Wire done a great job of making an obscure, not well known city into something interesting and unique. I feel Rockstar has the creative capabilities to do the same. 

Okay I understand that obscure is very different and unique and can potentially make a good storyline. I agree. And Rockstar could be creative enough. But........ What diversity does a city like Baltimore(Wire) offer to a GTA game? And yes I been through Baltimore(never stayed there to visit) driving down the I-95. And no I am not just talking diversity with just demographics. Rockstar games have become much bigger. Outside of a Black American hood story or story about Italian mafia(believe they exist there) what else? What exactly is a city like Baltimore known for? What type of gameplay content can you put in a GTA game that takes place in Baltimore? I can write a three page essay on content you can put in a modern Vice City game. Yes, Baltimore is MORE violent than Miami and you can tell newer stories but Miami has more content to offer. 

 

As for GTA set in the 70s? That could work. 

[The Made Man]

I talked to one of my homies who lives in Miami and asked him questions about modern Miami's underworld(he's not in it lol but he knows some who are). He said everyone is in the drug game in Miami from the Cubans, Colombians, Haitians, African-Americans, Jamaicans, Venezuelans, etc, etc. He says everyone there is making loads of money and are buying big houses(even those from the hoods. He knows some of them). He said unless you from the hood criminals in Miami are not as "blatant" as they were in the 80s. And he says cartel connects still operate in the city only they have to play it cool now. What caught my interest the most is when he said drug business in Miami is more "classy" now like real estate. Again  EVERYONE is doing it. 

 

My homie is Black and is more familiar with underworld in the Black hoods. He says "Haitian papis" i.e older Haitian men are the main suppliers to the Black hoods(not just Haitian hoods) due to Haiti now being a main transport hub to Miami for drugs(like I said) and you would never think its them due to them being CHURCH pastors lol. That is how secretive Miami's underworld is. Those Miami street dudes you see with the dreadheads and gold grills they dont supply to due to being wild. But either way people in the hoods are making money and buying nice houses in places like Light House Point(which was built off drug money). That tells us that drug trafficking is going very strong in Miami even till this day if that means even the hood dudes are making bank. Many of these cats launder their money and buy businesses to wash their money(empire building anyone)? 

 

How is this not perfect for a GTA game? 

[Middle Class Roadman]

28 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

Sorry for the late reply. Anyways.... 

 

Like I said that plastic culture exists throughout all of America especially the bigger cities. And that is what Rockstar is making fun of in GTA games. I don't know what to tell you? It exists in San Fransico, Las Vegas, Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, etc, etc. American culture is vert materialistic. Probably the most in the world. You are probably looking for a location outside of America. 

 

 

 

Uh.... Nah. Let me go over this again. I get your point but its not on the money. So let me go over his again.... I'm from NYC and I been to Washington Heights(Northwood) up in Uptown Manhattan and the South Bronx(South Bohan) in the Bronx and while those neighborhoods have a strong Latin influence(Dominican, Puerto Rican, Central American,etc) they have not been Latinized. You still have many Latinos there who not only speak English but many are second gen immigrants or third who never been to their countries. Again only neighborhoods. I been to South Bronx(South Bohan) many times and never felt like I was in a Little Puerto Rico, Dominican Rep or Central America. You still feel like you're in America. 

 

Like I said the entire city of Miami is Latinized. You have a significant population in Miami that was not born in America. Miami is literally an extension of Latin America to the point that many of the business owners, real estate owners, etc are FOREIGNERS who live outside the USA. This is not happening with  LA, Washington Heights, South Bronx, San Diego, etc.....

Miami: The fast-growing gateway to Latin America

https://drugstorenews.com/retail-news/miami-the-fast-growing-gateway-to-latin-america

 

 

For you to fully get what I'm saying you'll have to visit both NYC and Miami and then you'll see. 

Okay I understand that obscure is very different and unique and can potentially make a good storyline. I agree. And Rockstar could be creative enough. But........ What diversity does a city like Baltimore(Wire) offer to a GTA game? And yes I been through Baltimore(never stayed there to visit) driving down the I-95. And no I am not just talking diversity with just demographics. Rockstar games have become much bigger. Outside of a Black American hood story or story about Italian mafia(believe they exist there) what else? What exactly is a city like Baltimore known for? What type of gameplay content can you put in a GTA game that takes place in Baltimore? I can write a three page essay on content you can put in a modern Vice City game. Yes, Baltimore is MORE violent than Miami and you can tell newer stories but Miami has more content to offer. 

 

As for GTA set in the 70s? That could work. 

 

My point is it seems like you want that plastic culture to be at the forefront of everything. Of course you're right in saying that 'plastic' culture exists in all the major American cities, as well as major cities across the world - but for me Miami and LA are synonymous with it. I just feel with those depictions of the aforementioned 'plastic' culture GTA VI runs the risk of being insanely generic as well repeating many things that were already seen in GTA V.

 

GTA IV had a very overt theme of immigration and foreigners that weren't born in America all throughout the game - it was the most internationally themed GTA game to date. You had foreign nationals from Eastern Europe, Jamaica, Korea, Latin America, Ireland, Russia and China among other places that made up the majority of main story characters and NPC'S. It was fairly common to hear pedestrian dialogue spoken in another language or to see store signs in another language in GTA IV. Again I feel you're explaining that international/foreign angle as if it would be a super unique and original feature of the game, when essentially it's been done before. Besides if you feel so strongly about wanting to be in a setting with foreign Latin communities that aren't American and don't speak English then why not just set the game in San Juan, Havana, Bogota or Santo Domingo? lol. I'd actually find any one of those settings infinitely more interesting. For the record I have been to both NYC and Miami, I see the difference between what you explained, but again I just don't see it as anything unique or original for a GTA game. 

 

I'm not saying to set the game in Baltimore I was just using it as an example to explain how it's possible to turn an obscure, non mainstream city into something unique and interesting. I think many people believe that you absolutely have to use a mainstream, well known city to have an interesting setting. I personally just don't think thats the case. I respect your opinions though but ultimately I don't think we're gonna agree on this, so I think it's an agree to disagree scenario to avoid lengthy back and forths. 

 

 

[Schwartzxz]

I think any bigger city could work in any era honestly. its just that Miami in the 80s visually was just awesome.

[The Made Man]

9 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

My point is it seems like you want that plastic culture to be at the forefront of everything. Of course you're right in saying that 'plastic' culture exists in all the major American cities, as well as major cities across the world - but for me Miami and LA are synonymous with it. I just feel with those depictions of the aforementioned 'plastic' culture GTA VI runs the risk of being insanely generic as well repeating many things that were already seen in GTA V.

1. Not really. I really want drug trafficking/cartels to be the forefront of everything and the theme of GTA 6. The two which are very relevant in today's America underworld. 

 

2. Unlike LA's "plastic culture" the one Miami is mixed with illegal sh*t. And like I said plastic culture exists throughout America. If you set GTA game in Atlanta for example all you'll be getting is a "Black Hollywood" type of plastic culture. NYC? Oh it exists here and its going strong. Chicago? It exists there too. Las Vegas? Again there too. You can't escape it. American culture in general is very "plastic" unless you go to some very hick ass state like Mississippi, Alabama, Nebraska,  Wyoming, etc. But its doubtful R is going to choose those location as hardly anything happens there. 

 

3. And what is wrong with Miami's "plastic culture." Nightlife was hardly explored in HD universe GTA outside of TBOGT which was limited and Miami is king of nightlife. And like I already said nightclubs, stripclubs, bars, etc can be apart of "empire building" like back in Vice City and so I don't see the exact issue? 

 

 

9 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

GTA IV had a very overt theme of immigration and foreigners that weren't born in America all throughout the game - it was the most internationally themed GTA game to date. You had foreign nationals from Eastern Europe, Jamaica, Korea, Latin America, Ireland, Russia and China among other places that made up the majority of main story characters and NPC'S. It was fairly common to hear pedestrian dialogue spoken in another language or to see store signs in another language in GTA IV. Again I feel you're explaining that international/foreign angle as if it would be a super unique and original feature of the game, when essentially it's been done before. Besides if you feel so strongly about wanting to be in a setting with foreign Latin communities that aren't American and don't speak English then why not just set the game in San Juan, Havana, Bogota or Santo Domingo? lol. I'd actually find any one of those settings infinitely more interesting. For the record I have been to both NYC and Miami, I see the difference between what you explained, but again I just don't see it as anything unique or original for a GTA game. 

1. I get your point but still not on the money. Yes, NYC has a very diverse immigration population. But the foundation of NYC culture is still American. The city caters to Americans in general. Most of the big business are American owned. The diverse ethnic population of NYC actually makes it harder for one culture to take root. Meanwhile with Miami the foundation culture is Latin. Most of the big businesses are Latin American. Miami caters to Latin Americans which is why Latinos both domestically and internationally flock there. You go to a Target in NYC you will find many English speakers but in Miami when I went there I hardly could find an English speaker and had to rely on my sh*tty Spanish. That's the difference between Miami and NYC. Also to give you another example the root culture of El Paso Texas is Mexican and caters to Mexicans. 

 

2. As for the bolded my wish is not specifically a game for a strong Latin community. Oh though I really wouldn't mind one especially a game in South America if the Project Americas rumor is true. More importantly I am merely pointing out the uniqueness of Miami since some people here argue that its "bland" or worse "too much like LA." lol. Miami's title of Capital of Latin America refutes those claims. NYC is not the Capital of Eastern Europe, Jamaica, Korea, Latin America, Ireland, Russia, or China.  Also GTA is American setting those Latin countries would have to be included along with Vice City.

 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

I'm not saying to set the game in Baltimore I was just using it as an example to explain how it's possible to turn an obscure, non mainstream city into something unique and interesting. I think many people believe that you absolutely have to use a mainstream, well known city to have an interesting setting. I personally just don't think thats the case. I respect your opinions though but ultimately I don't think we're gonna agree on this, so I think it's an agree to disagree scenario to avoid lengthy back and forths. 

 

 

I'm glad you respect my opinion and glad we can have a civil debate. But tbh the only cities I see as an alternative to Miami are Las Vegas, Chicago, New Orleans or Atlanta on a good day but even still those cities would be hard especially the latter two. Las Vegas would mostly work in a past setting. Yes, obscure cities can work in fiction in TV shows/movies but GTA is a different and hard to compare to two.

 

Anyways respectfully agree-disagree. If you continue to respond I don't mind.

[Zello]

13 hours ago, The Made Man said:

Meanwhile with Miami the foundation culture is Latin. Most of the big businesses are Latin American. Miami caters to Latin Americans which is why Latinos both domestically and internationally flock there. You go to a Target in NYC you will find many English speakers but in Miami when I went there I hardly could find an English speaker and had to rely on my sh*tty Spanish. That's the difference between Miami and NYC. Also to give you another example the root culture of El Paso Texas is Mexican and caters to Mexicans. 

I understand what you're saying I went down to Miami back in 2015. Felt like I was in another country. I spent a night with an aunt of mine who lived near the neighborhood where the Marlins play. That place looked like the DR.

Edited March 29, 2020 by Zello

[The Made Man]

Yes, Miami still has neon lights.

 

Perfect for a GTA setting... And that's just Miami Ocean Drive alone...

 

 

 

11 hours ago, Zello said:

I understand what you're saying I went down to Miami back in 2015. Felt like I was in another country. I spent a night with an aunt of mine who lived near the neighborhood where the Marlins play. That placed looked like the DR.

Yep. The whole city feels like an extension of Latin America from not just the culture but also architecture too. And I think I heard of that area you were at.

[The Made Man]

I know it may seem like I maybe spamming this thread and I sincerely apologize to the mods if this is against the rules. But I just want to bring the point very home and kill any hesitations on a modern Vice City.

Half of This Year's Murders in Miami-Dade Went Unsolved

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In the first six months of 2019, just 52 of 102 reported murders in the area resulted in arrests. For aggravated assaults, only 37 percent of cases ended up with a suspect in handcuffs. For rapes, the clearance rate was just 21 percent. And the numbers get bleaker the further you dive into the data.

Overall, Miami-Dade's clearance rate — the percentage of reported crimes that are resolved by police either by arrest or other means — was an abysmal 17 percent during the first six months of 2019. In other words, a full 83 percent of crimes in the area went unsolved. Across Florida, only Martin, Glades, and Gilchrist Counties were worse, with crime clearance rates of 16.4, 16.5, and 13.3 percent. The statewide rate was 25.8 percent.

 

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/coronavirus-domestic-violence-and-abuse-escalates-in-miami-11607525

 

Anyone still doubting a modern Vice City? A modern Vice City would be more violent, corrupt and dangerous than Los Santos or Liberty City. While still maintaining that party, vice and vacation charm and glitz. 

 

 

[MrBreak16]

This guy got some hints that GTA VI might take place in Vice City after the events of GTA V :

 

 

So from what he said :

 

1. The homeless guy that find the diamonds at the end of TBOGT have the intention to open a weapons and liquor store in Vice City

 

2. In some conversations in TBOGT, it his hinted that Hercules and Maisonette will be franchised and that we will see new ones in Vice City.

Edited March 29, 2020 by MrBreak16

[The Made Man]

27 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

This guy got some hints that GTA VI might take place in Vice City after the events of GTA V :

 

 

 

 

 

Watching and liking how he explains a modern VC is relevant to the HD storyline since its connected. 

[The Made Man]

Let me add some more organized related crimes in Miami. I guess this thread will officially serve as me updating you guys with news regarding Miami whether crime or non-crime related to debunk the myth that modern Miami is irrelevant.  @MrBreak16 @JStarr31 @Official General @Copcaller

 

Anyways, for those who are fans of organized crime. Welp.... Modern Miami has a bunch of it including gold/diamond trafficking/robbery. 

A $2.8 Million Gold Heist Shows Cuban Gangs Still Rule Miami

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a-28-million-gold-heist-shows-cuban-gangs-still-rule-miami-6392711

 

^^Cuban organized crime is well alive in Miami and not just that they are even committing GTA-like heists. 

 

Colombian drug kingpin, 'Diego Rastrojo' pleads guilty in Miami
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-drugs-rastrojo/colombian-drug-kingpin-diego-rastrojo-pleads-guilty-in-miami-idUSBREA0N1U720140124

 

^^The Colombian cartel is still deep in Miami as I have shown repeatedly throughout this thread.

 

A Night Inside South Florida’s Gang Wars
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/a-night-inside-south-floridas-gang-wars/

 

^^There are 250 gangs in Miami probably more now. The police are also outnumbered....

 

Thirteen Arrested in Miami in Massive Mafia Crackdown

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/thirteen-arrested-in-miami-in-massive-mafia-crackdown-6562182

 

^^For those who are fans of the mafia.

 

Oh did I also forget to mention that half of Miami's real estate is funded by drug money? And mainly from outsiders from Latin America and Eastern Europe?

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/miami-where-luxury-real-estate-meets-dirty-money/

 

 

 

Edit: I'd go as far as to even argue that Miami has MORE organized crime activity than NYC. 

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by The Made Man

[Official General]

6 hours ago, The Made Man said:

Let me add some more organized related crimes in Miami. I guess this thread will officially serve as me updating you guys with news regarding Miami whether crime or non-crime related to debunk the myth that modern Miami is irrelevant.  @MrBreak16 @JStarr31 @Official General @Copcaller

 

Anyways, for those who are fans of organized crime. Welp.... Modern Miami has a bunch of it including gold/diamond trafficking/robbery. 

A $2.8 Million Gold Heist Shows Cuban Gangs Still Rule Miami

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a-28-million-gold-heist-shows-cuban-gangs-still-rule-miami-6392711

 

^^Cuban organized crime is well alive in Miami and not just that they are even committing GTA-like heists. 

 

Colombian drug kingpin, 'Diego Rastrojo' pleads guilty in Miami
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-drugs-rastrojo/colombian-drug-kingpin-diego-rastrojo-pleads-guilty-in-miami-idUSBREA0N1U720140124

 

^^The Colombian cartel is still deep in Miami as I have shown repeatedly throughout this thread.

 

A Night Inside South Florida’s Gang Wars
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/a-night-inside-south-floridas-gang-wars/

 

^^There are 250 gangs in Miami probably more now. The police are also outnumbered....

 

Thirteen Arrested in Miami in Massive Mafia Crackdown

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/thirteen-arrested-in-miami-in-massive-mafia-crackdown-6562182

 

^^For those who are fans of the mafia.

 

Oh did I also forget to mention that half of Miami's real estate is funded by drug money? And mainly from outsiders from Latin America and Eastern Europe?

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/miami-where-luxury-real-estate-meets-dirty-money/

 

 

 

Edit: I'd go as far as to even argue that Miami has MORE organized crime activity than NYC. 

 

Great informative post man ! 

[HikikomoriYume]

Vice City is a very boring island, also the idea of centering the game around drug smuggling is so boring.

GTA is about starting out as a nobody and working your way to the top, taking jobs from various gangs and criminals.

V abandoned the GTA formula, if VI goes that route too they might as well turn it into a new series. 

[GTA-Biker]

While I guess R* could make modern Vice City work,I'd still prefer 80s Vice City,that was the most iconic decade in Miami history.

If they do plan to make another GTA with contemporary setting,I'd prefer a new city in the Midwest based on Chicago and/or Detroit.We never had a Midwest setting in GTA so far,and from what I hear,Midwest cities have been pretty violent in recent years.

[Wolverine78]

So according to some people here , Narcos TV Show is boring and doesnt work , Scareface Movie is boring and doesnt work , Miami Vice was boring too ? what about 80s music ? Miami s history and its connections to Central and South America in the 80s is a certainly not a positive history but surely not a boring one.

 

What i think is that some of the people saying such things are not even younger generations because a lot of young people have educated themselves enough on 80s cultures to know it was a far from boring , its just people who are very much into modern cars and modern music and culture and maybe flying motorcycles ? i dont know , who would reject the incredible opportunity of the next GTA being set in the 70s/80s.

[MrBreak16]

6 minutes ago, Wolverine78 said:

So according to some people here , Narcos TV Show is boring and doesnt work , Scareface Movie is boring and doesnt work , Miami Vice was boring too ? what about 80s music ? Miami s history and its connections to Central and South America in the 80s is a certainly not a positive history but surely not a boring one.

 

What i think is that some of the people saying such things are not even younger generations because a lot of young people have educated themselves enough on 80s cultures to know it was a far from boring , its just people who are very much into modern cars and modern music and culture and maybe flying motorcycles ? i dont know , who would reject the incredible opportunity of the next GTA being set in the 70s/80s.

I think it’s mostly a thread where we discuss why Vice City can also work in the current time period, it’s not a 80s hating thread, don’t worry

[Wolverine78]

4 hours ago, MrBreak16 said:

I think it’s mostly a thread where we discuss why Vice City can also work in the current time period, it’s not a 80s hating thread, don’t worry

mhm maybe i came out a little bit too strong there , but im really wishing to not see flying futuristic stuff this time around and also to have a game with a good plot and incredible music and in my opinion the 80s offer the best breeding ground.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Wolverine78

[The Made Man]

4 hours ago, HikikomoriYume said:

Vice City is a very boring island, also the idea of centering the game around drug smuggling is so boring.

 

And yet GTA Vice City was about the drug trade and no one. And I mean no one found that game "boring." Instead it is among everyone's top favorite. And Narcos is among the most popular crime themes in American pop culture. With the Netflix TV hit Narcos being very big. So all in all your definition of "boring" is most likely different. As for the map of Vice City itself being boring? An HD rendition of Vice City wouldn't even look like the Vice City in the 3D universe. 

 

vs....

 

 

 

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GTA is about starting out as a nobody and working your way to the top, taking jobs from various gangs and criminals.

V abandoned the GTA formula, if VI goes that route too they might as well turn it into a new series. 

 

 

No offense dude but what on Earth are you talking about? lol. Again was GTA Vice City NOT  about that? Tommy Vercetti starting off at the bottom in a new city but then working his way up and becoming boss? That is the formula for many narcos style storylines. Heck, the TV show "El Chapo" was like that too. Not sure what you're getting at? More importantly a modern Vice City will have just that because it is flooded with active organized crime from the Cuban mafia, Colombian/Mexican drug cartel cells, Russian mafia, Israeli crime groups, Haitian distributors, Italian mafia and many upon many African-American/Hispanic/Caribbean street gangs. Drugs are such a main issue in modern Miami and in every facet of the society there that Rockstar will be literally forced to go back to that "formula." 

5 hours ago, Official General said:

Great informative post man ! 

These people just don't know. lol.

2 hours ago, Wolverine78 said:

So according to some people here , Narcos TV Show is boring and doesnt work , Scareface Movie is boring and doesnt work , Miami Vice was boring too ? what about 80s music ? Miami s history and its connections to Central and South America in the 80s is a certainly not a positive history but surely not a boring one.

 

What i think is that some of the people saying such things are not even younger generations because a lot of young people have educated themselves enough on 80s cultures to know it was a far from boring , its just people who are very much into modern cars and modern music and culture and maybe flying motorcycles ? i dont know , who would reject the incredible opportunity of the next GTA being set in the 70s/80s.

No one said those TV shows are boring lol. Narcos is among my favorite shows. And everyone loves cocaine cowboy era film/TV based shows. Fact is some of us are getting tired of people limiting Miami to the 80s. Some people who have never been there. Miami has since then has evolved(culturally, via infrastructure  and even crime). The story for 80s Miami has been told many times but the story of modern Miami has not especially when there are more drugs flowing into the city than back in the 80s. When the Colombia drug cartels and other South American groups are producing MORE cocaine than ever before. And there have been many TV shows in Colombia that have addressed this.

[MrBreak16]

I feel like peoples add Vice City and 80s together because GTA Vice City popularized this, but seriously, after two GTA games set in the 80s, we could see something else, even if it’s not modern era, we still have the 70s Miami or even the 90s Miami, 80s isn’t the only big boy...

[nyminjury]

If they go Vice City I'd like to see at least one or preferably both of a second latin american city and the ability to drive up north to either DC or Liberty City. DC would actually be interesting now that I think about it. 

[MrBreak16]

Just now, nyminjury said:

If they go Vice City I'd like to see at least one or preferably both of a second latin american city and the ability to drive up north to either DC or Liberty City. DC would actually be interesting now that I think about it. 

I don’t think driving up to Liberty City or DC is possible, R* would have to stretch the map and it would probably end up being too big and details would have to be sacrificed

[nyminjury]

Just now, MrBreak16 said:

I don’t think driving up to Liberty City or DC is possible, R* would have to stretch the map and it would probably end up being too big and details would have to be sacrificed

It doesn't have to be a realistic scale. San Andreas had SF, LA, and Vegas. 

[MrBreak16]

9 minutes ago, nyminjury said:

It doesn't have to be a realistic scale. San Andreas had SF, LA, and Vegas. 

Yes, but the cities in this game where like the size of Broker from GTA IV, and the cities where extremely close to each other (Los Santos and Las Venturas are separated only by a few hills and a river...)

 

HD era have bigger cities and maps overall, it would suck to have to make a city half the size of Los Santos to make the entire East Cost...

 

And last when you think of it Los Santos and San Fierro are in the same state, so the distance is obviously pretty short between the two cities, If we took GTA V’s map and added San Fierro it would probably be right above Mount Chiliad.

But if you take LC and VC, first off they aren’t in the same state, second they are at each far ends of the East Coast, where the distance between LS and SF is only a portion of the West Coast, and third, there is multiple states between LC and VC...

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by MrBreak16

[nyminjury]

Just now, MrBreak16 said:

Yes, but if the cities in this game where like the size of Broker from GTA IV, and the cities where extremely close to each other (Los Santos and Las Venturas are separated only by a few hills and a river...

 

HD era have bigger cities and maps overall, it would suck to have to make a city half the size of Los Santos to make the entire East Cost...

That's true. I just don't wanna have the first (perhaps only) nextgen GTA be only Vice City. Despite the arguments made in this post I just don't think the city deserves it. 

[MrBreak16]

5 minutes ago, nyminjury said:

That's true. I just don't wanna have the first (perhaps only) nextgen GTA be only Vice City. Despite the arguments made in this post I just don't think the city deserves it. 

They can add other cities from Florida, like Tampa or Orlando. They can even do two maps, One with VC and the other with LC, and you can only switch map using the airport fast travel (tho i doubt it would be very cool for many peoples)

[The Made Man]

40 minutes ago, nyminjury said:

If they go Vice City I'd like to see at least one or preferably both of a second latin american city and the ability to drive up north to either DC or Liberty City. DC would actually be interesting now that I think about it. 

 

What reason would DC need to be in the game? There needs to be a reason.... With a Latin American(or Caribbean) city it makes sense because the drugs in Miami come from Latin America and many immigrants from Miami are from Latin America. With DC? What's the purpose? Also why skip over Atlanta? Atlanta has more in common with Miami(at least the Black culture) than DC and Miami criminals have set up shop in Atlanta. DC seems random. As for Liberty City? Yes, NYers constantly go down into Miami(even the criminals) but why Liberty city again? Why would Rockstar waste map time adding a city they already did? Just saying. 

 

Vice City really works on its own. The city and surrounding areas such as everglades and even smaller cities like Fort Launderdale are enough imo. But.... Adding a Latin American/Caribbean city makes the game even better because they and Vice City/Miami go together. DC? Just seems random. 

[MrBreak16]

Imagine if the game had a story with elements such as : 

 

- The revenge story and working for multiple organizations only to betray them like GTA III

 

- The buying all properties in the city and taking down every other Crime Bosses like GTA VC

 

- The building up your gang reputation and taking over territories like in GTA SA

 

- Working for and with different peoples and making allies like in GTA IV

 

- A drug story like Narcos and Breaking Bad

 

And what if on top of that, we also had a side story where we would own a garage and steal vehicles and customize them, and even organize illegal street races. You know, kind of like how this game is called Grand Theft Auto

 

 

[The Made Man]

12 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

Imagine if the game had a story with elements such as : 

 

- The revenge story and working for multiple organizations only to betray them like GTA III

 

- The buying all properties in the city and taking down every other Crime Bosses like GTA VC

 

- The building up your gang reputation and taking over territories like in GTA SA

 

- Working for and with different peoples and making allies like in GTA IV

 

- A drug story like Narcos and Breaking Bad

 

And what if on top of that, we also had a side story where we would own a garage and steal vehicles and customize them, and even organize illegal street races. You know, kind of like how this game is called Grand Theft Auto

 

 

It can be for street racing cuz Miami has a thriving street racing culture. And car customization is big there. Street racing can return bigger like it was in GTA SA.