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Why Vice City WORKS in modern times(my arguments)


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I decided to create this thread due to the very naive, ignorant and just flat out silly arguments regarding Vice City/Miami in a modern setting. And that is the so called belief that a GTA game will supposedly not be able to work in modern settings. Basically that Vice City/Miami is limited to a 80s timeline surrounding the scarface/cocaine cowboy theme with a Miami Vice like soundtrack. I notice most people who make these arguments never been to Miami and if they have they never lived there or they just flat out never been to USA to begin with. Seriously, saying that Vice City/Miami is limited to the 80s is not only annoying but very irritating but whats even worse is that people actually claim that Miami and Los Angelas are the "same." Their only argument is that both are "sunny" and have beaches. This is a flimsy argument.  

 

To elaborate I am not from Miami and so I have zero bias. I'm actually from NY and as a traveler I been throughout the states, however as a Nyer.... Us Nyers see Miami as a vacation destination and constantly go there. I been to Miami/Florida many times and while I am not from there I feel I have enough authority to speak on it and let me tell you..... Miami is a more relevant city than it has been since the 80s. Going back to the 80s would actually be limiting the story. Anyone saying that Miami is "boring" either doesn't have a social life or just seen the wack areas of the city. But first off Miami and LA have nothing in common outside of sunny weather and beaches. For one Miami and southern Florida have a tropical like humid weather and is on a swamp. Palm tress are actually NATIVE Florida whereas palm trees in Cali are all imported. Second, LA's weather is Mediterranean and not tropical and humid. So yea there's that.... Then you have the fact that both are extremely culturally different but I'll elaborate on that later. 

 

Like I said Miami is a totally different Miami since the 80s and I mean for the better.  For one Miami is much, much, much more diverse than it was in the 80s. I'm talking about many different ethnic enclaves from not just Cubans, Colombians, Mexicans and Haitians but also Venezuelans, Brazilians, Central Americans, Mexicans, Jamaicans and other Caribbeans, etc, etc. You have new groups immigrating in now. Just like with NYC with Eastern Europeans and others being new immigrants. Moving on.... Downtown Miami has changed significantly it is much more bigger and so is Miami beach. And according to this wikipedia quote:

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Miami is a major center and leader in finance, commerce, culture, media, entertainment, the arts, and international trade.[12][13] The metro area is by far the largest urban economy in Florida and the 12th largest in the United States, with a GDP of $344.9 billion as of 2017.[14] In 2018, Miami was classified as an Alpha level global city by the GaWC.[15] In 2019, Miami ranked seventh in the United States and 31st among global cities in terms of business activity, human capital, information exchange, cultural experience, and political engagement.[16] According to a 2018 UBS study of 77 world cities, the city was ranked as the third-richest in the United States and the eighth-richest in the world in terms of purchasing power.[17] Miami is nicknamed the "Capital of Latin America" and is the largest city with a Cuban-American plurality

Miami is now a GLOBAL city and is one of the leaders in fiance and international trade. And speaking of "capital of Latin America" from the quote, Miami is basically an extension of Latin America and I mean that literally according to this BBC quote:

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"If you are a business owner in Latin America you can come to Miami, you have an audience, a market, you can make five calls, in Spanish, and set up the infrastructure for your business," he adds, remarking that close to 25% of businesses in the state of Florida are owned by Latin-American immigrants.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36281648

 

25% of the businesses in Miami are Latin-American owned. This was never the case back in the 80s where Miami was still developing as a city.  You also have the fact with sports teams like the Miami Heat. But then you have the fact that Miami is literally a vacation spot for Americans unlike LA. Its economy is literally built off of tourism(and drugs). Whether it be old folks relaxing or young people partying for spring break. I don't know what people mean by Miami is "boring", people still party hard and I just don't mean spring break but festivals these these! 

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I dare anyone of you to show me LA getting down like that or this....

 

 

I can tell many of you guys never attended a Miami carnival/festival. Show me sh*t like that happening in the 80s. People are still doing hard drugs in Miami(and now newer ones besides cocaine), still having sex in elevators, nightlife is still on fire(its top 5 in the USA based off rankings), beautiful women from all over the world are still there and the rich are still flaunting. And going back to Miami's nightlife people around the world talk about it and not just people from Latin America. You guys don't believe me? Well Miami was ranked 8th in the top 20 party cities WORLD WIDE back in 2016.

 https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/best-party-cities-in-the-world/travel?sr=twitter

 

Meanwhile, neither LA nor NYC did not make the list. So not only is Miami a vacation and Latin America capital but it is a party mecca within the USA with its own UNIQUE nightlife from LA and NYC. And before you guys say "well NYC already has a nightlife!", I'm from NYC and our nightlife does not compare to Miami's like at all....  Also Miami Beach is the rich/elites playground. Now people gonna argue that LA has a plastic culture just like LA which is a good argument however these instagram models go to LA to get "Hollywood" they come to Miami for again vacation but also to get "wild." And I never heard of these Instagram models going to LA for ass and breast implants. Nope I mostly see them go to Miami i.e Dr. Miami. In fact Miami is the plastic surgery capital of the USA lol.

https://miaaesthetics.com/why-is-miami-the-plastic-surgery-capital-of-the-u-s/

 

Yes, LA also has models but they are not all in one setting like Miami(Miami Beach) ready for some hot sex. Don't believe me? Just hit up one of those clubs on Miami beach. LA doesn't have some of the finest women coming from around the world vacationing. Then you have celebrities vacationing too. I feel like I am going in circles but like I said Miami is a vacation mecca in USA unlike LA which separates the two. Moving on.... Lets address what really makes Miami unique. Lets go back to the demographic and culture of Miami. Like I said Miami has changed since the 80s and so has its demographic. Today it is more of an extension of Latin America then it was back in the 80s. Back in the 80s Miami did NOT have a extensive Caribbean cultural influence i.e Haitians or Jamaicans but now it does. It now also has an extensive Brazilian and Central American culture. Not just Cuban or Colombian. But speaking of Latin American/Caribbean culture.... Miami is essentially a Little Latin America/Caribbean in the USA. Show me this in LA. 

 

 

 

or this...

 

 

When I was in Little Havana I felt like I was in another country. Never got that type of feeling in any city with large immigrant population. Same when I was in Little Haiti. Like I said the Latin/Caribbean cultural influence on Miami is so strong that you do not even feel like you are in the USA but Latin America/Caribbean. LA does NOT HAVE THAT! And even if you want to bring up LA's Hispanic population, Miami's is more diverse and had more of a impact. Also you have other new groups in Miami like Russians, Israelis, etc, etc.  Moving on.... Miami and Southern Florida has more resorts and hotels than ever. So those of you who are interested in "empire building" storyline then this would interest you. 

 

 

Now lets address the Miami underworld. And why I say its either Vice City or a bust... In fact I would also say again that setting Vice City in the 80s again with the SAME tested Scarface-like story would be limiting the potential stories. There is no alternative city in the USA that can beat out Vice City/Miami for a GTA game. If they don't do VC then they have to do a city outside of America lol. In fact I'd say Miami/VC is much more realistic for a GTA game than LA or NYC and again yes I am from NYC.  Dont get me wrong NYC is NOT super safe. Go to Brownsville or East NY in Brooklyn or the South Bronx. Gangs still have guns but its very RARE that they use them and if they do its over. NYC is a police state. You don't see full scale gang shootouts. Heck even when it comes to organized crime you don't hear much noise outside the Albanians and some Chinese gangsters doing human trafficking. The Italian mafia are basically endangered and have been chased off to Staten Island(which wasn't even in GTA 4 lol) and parts of the Bronx. But yea NYC is mostly safe and is getting gentrified at a fast rate. Heck Bed-Stuy Brooklyn is safe now. Yea you have some kids in Brooklyn with that stupid Woo vs Choo sh*t(if you ever heard of Pop Smoke) but Brooklyn for the most part is not THAT dangerous. It can get dangerous at night or during the Caribbean parade if you at the wrong spot but NOT THAT dangerous and guns are rarely used. And there's police at every corner. Meanwhile this is Miami.....

 

Yep. That Miami Liberty City where gangsters flash AK47s and Dracos like nothing and shoot at the police. They don't call it the gunshine state for nothing. Miami native @JStarr31 describes the Miami mainland as "third world" and I agree. I don't even think South Central LA gets that wild. And of course you have sh*t like this.

 

^^^That is some GTA ass sh*t right there. But let me delve deeper on how crime works in Miami. Miami(not NYC, LA, Chicago, Las Vegas, DC, etc) is still the American gateway for drugs and the city is still flooded with drugs. In fact.... More cocaine is being smuggled into Miami more than ever. 

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Colombian cocaine production is at a record high, and traffickers are bringing the drug into the southern half of the Sunshine State more now than in the last decade, Drug Enforcement Administration officials say.

While Americans turned their attention to confront an opioid epidemic, Colombia has been producing more cocaine than at the height of the Miami drug wars in the 1980s, they say.

 

 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-reg-cocaine-surge-fueling-overdoses-20170523-story.html

 

 

Here's another source stating that more cociane is being produced and smuggled into Miami than the Medellin/Cali Cartel days!

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“We’ve never seen cocaine production at these numbers, which tells you there is more cocaine being produced now than at the height of the Medellín and Cali cartels,” Justin Miller, intelligence chief for the DEA’s Miami field division, told The Sun Sentinel. “That’s significant.”

Most of the cocaine that enters the U.S. comes through Florida, and officials in The Sunshine State have seen a dramatic increase in the amount of cocaine they are seizing. Florida Customs and Border Protection seized 61% more cocaine in 2016 than it did in 2015.

 

https://www.thefix.com/more-cocaine-coming-florida-ever

 

Seriously go back to the 80s for what!???? Now you have the Mexican Cartels also in the action. Not only that many times Caribbean countries like my country of Haiti are used as drug transports into Miami with corrupt Haitian ex soldiers playing a part. 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article230000029.html

 

 

Like I shown Miami is still the epicenter of American drug trafficking and there is now MORE drugs being smuggled into Miami than back in the cocaine cowboy days. Even with drug trafficking being big in Miami, the underworld of Miami is much, much, much more diverse now! I'm talking scamming, tax/money laundering rings, diamond/gold trafficking(Jewish mafia), illegal street racing, prostitution, illegal gambling, etc, etc. But here is the BIG ONE.... Florida ranks THIRD repeat THIRD in human trafficking and Miami is the biggest city of that!

 

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 Florida ranks third nationwide in human trafficking cases, and Miami-Dade County is the biggest trafficking hub in the state, according to a report by the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office, which estimates that the average sex trafficking victim may be forced to have sex 20 times a day, seven days a week.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article239767408.html

 

Imagine a story on human trafficking? And like I said you now have new crime groups in Miami like the Russian mafia who own a bunch of real estate there. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1393246/Russian-mob-eclipses-Italian-Mafia-South-Florida-FBI-says.html

 

I'd argue organized crime operates more freely than in NYC or LA. And of course like @JStarr31 said many times the Miami politicians are also in on it too(correct me if I am misinterpreting you). Just imagine a storyline about a Latino or Caribbean illegal immigrant taking part in Miami's drug trade, fighting against human trafficking and avoiding ICE(which is very relevant in modern times). Yes, I know the immigrant storyline was down in GTA 4 however it WAS NOT politicized! Think about it? A poor Venezuelan, Haitian or Central American migrant/refugee working their way up the Vice City underworld. It would be even better if multiple protagonists with different POV. A leader of the Cuban mob(which exists in Miami) who is semi-retired? Or a playboy type protagonist who is in the street racing scene but turns to drugs? The possibilities...  Oh did I forget to mention that biker gangs are invading Miami Dade according to @JStarr31  Going back to the Miami mainland, as I have shown it is very VIOLENT. More violent than any hood in NYC and the majority of hoods in LA. Guns are totally easy to get a hold of in the Gunshine state unlike NY and California. And not only that you can also tell a gap between rich and poor with Miami. Here is what wikipedia says:

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 a 2016 study by the website 24/7 Wall Street, Miami was rated as the worst U.S. city in which to live, based on crime, poverty, income inequality and housing costs that far exceed the national median.[80]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami

 

Miami mainland would be like a mini-Brazil from Max Payne 3 but toned down. Again think about it people. 

 

I can go on and on and on and on.... But fact is the HD universe has not received as proper Mexican(Colombian) cartel story which has been growing in American popular culture whether movies, TV shows or music(especially Hip Hop) since the late 2000s. But a GTA in Vice City will finally fill that void. Modern Latin American drug trafficking story has not been told yet in GTA games and it would be a shame if we would not get that. It also comes with modern day issues surrounding illegal immigration(not tryna get political) and human trafficking. All in all... A modern Vice City not only works but going back to the 80s would be limiting the potential NEW stories that R can tell. 

 

Discuss....

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

Why did you call them?

 

OT I don't mind Vice City in modern day as long as it's done right and the map is designed better compared to V clusterf*ck of a map

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Just now, Legion of Hell said:

Why did you call them?

Vice City supporters. They can offer even more arguments to this topic.

 

Just now, Legion of Hell said:

OT I don't mind Vice City in modern day as long as it's done right and the map is designed better compared to V clusterf*ck of a map

With next gen coming and the Xbox Series X being a beast R should be able to make a beast of a map if they put thought into it. They can easily do Miami and Southern Florida. Add swamps, the keys and small towns outside of Miami. Stuff like this is whats roaming throughout Southern Florida. 

 

 

They really called this boring??? Oh man.... Also many Florida cats I know hunt gaters, fish and other sh*t. You can easily add that in GTA 6. That is something Vice City would have over GTA 5. Imagine adding many different type of swamp rivers and riding along them on a boat. Whether it be hunting/fishing or drug smuggling. Does LA/GTA 5 have that? Nope!

 

Also since Scarface the World is Yours already done it.... GTA 6 can probably add smaller Caribbean islands since Florida is right next door to the Caribbean. Who knows? But SoFL would be enough for me.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Zello said:

Miami hasn't been relevant since Lebron left.

?????????  Tell that to the record breaking tourism.

https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2019/05/03/2018-was-a-record-breaking-year-for-miami-tourism.html

 

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10 minutes ago, Winged_Kuriboh said:

I'd love to see Vice City again, but my only complaint about it is how flat the land is.

Vice City/Miami being flat is one of the few fair arguments against Vice City/Miami. But that can be salvaged via diverse scenery i.e everglades, Florida Keys, swamps, etc. 

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I wouldn't mind seeing Vice City in any capacity whether 80s or present day,but I definitely agree that VC shouldn't be tethered to the 80s. It'll be more interesting to see how much VC has evolved from then to today imo.

 

Personally i would prefer R* cover a setting they haven't done but then there's always the curiosity about what their reimagined VC would look like after their success with Liberty City and Los Santos. A reimagined VC will basically look like a new setting almost and nothing like the 2002 version anyway.Your description of Miami today has got me somewhat hyped for a modern day Vice City too, considering the activity that still goes on there as you said, they could focus on building our own criminal empire which hasn't been done for a long time in GTA and VC feels like a great setting for that. I would still prefer a brand new setting just to recapture that magical feeling of exploring uncharted territory( DC/Capital CIty is my preferred setting) but VC would be my second choice and like I said it will be great to explore Vice in present day and see how much it has evolved since the 80s.(though if they DO go back to 80s perhaps the late 80s would be somewhat different as they could show what Miami was like when the 80s were dying rather than in its prime in VC and VCS).

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Again did anything really change? Miami is still Miami from the 80s just less violent(yet its still violent) with MORE drugs flowing in.

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@The Made Man good post mate. You’ve put a lot of effort in! We need more discussions like this 👍.

 

I would prefer a past setting but I am not completely against a modern setting. I didn’t mind it as much in IV (as it was new at the time) but in V I felt it dominated and spoiled a lot of the story. My concern with modern is that the soundtrack would be awful and would hurt the atmosphere of the game.

 

To be honest though, I just don’t want another GTA V. If they can have a modern Vice City/Project Americas with a good soundtrack and a return to focusing on gangs and organised crime then fair enough. The rise of cartels can feature in any era (well, late 70s to now) and Miami/Vice City as the “gateway” to the Caribbean/South America would fit with that.

 

My main concern with modern again is that they never go back to a past setting. That would be a mistake I’d feel. I also worry that’d focus too much on modern social commentary which is way overplayed.

 

Great topic though.

 

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As I said in the now legendary thread I made I would only want Vice City as the location if it is included as part of a fully reimagined state of Florida that also includes multiple smaller cities based on places like Belle Glade, West Palm Beach, Key West, Tampa etc. with additional locations in the Caribbean or South America.

 

Through my various debates with posters that I am no longer allowed to name, I've made it clear that a past time setting/the 1970's is the most ideal scenario for GTA VI. However, considering that it looks increasingly likely that GTA VI could possibly have multiple time settings or even a time jump gameplay feature, a modern day setting could be plausible ONLY if there are multiple time frames where we play as the same protagonist at different stages of his life.  If this is the case then I think the present day portion of the game should be at the latter stages of the main story and the 70's & 80's portion of the game would take up most of the story.

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22 minutes ago, PaddsterG2k3 said:

@The Made Man good post mate. You’ve put a lot of effort in! We need more discussions like this 👍.

 

I would prefer a past setting but I am not completely against a modern setting. I didn’t mind it as much in IV (as it was new at the time) but in V I felt it dominated and spoiled a lot of the story. My concern with modern is that the soundtrack would be awful and would hurt the atmosphere of the game.

 

To be honest though, I just don’t want another GTA V. If they can have a modern Vice City/Project Americas with a good soundtrack and a return to focusing on gangs and organised crime then fair enough. The rise of cartels can feature in any era (well, late 70s to now) and Miami/Vice City as the “gateway” to the Caribbean/South America would fit with that.

 

My main concern with modern again is that they never go back to a past setting. That would be a mistake I’d feel. I also worry that’d focus too much on modern social commentary which is way overplayed.

 

Great topic though.

 

Thanks! I have nothing against people who prefer an older setting. I just dislike it when people claim that a modern Miami/Vice City will not work. smdh.

 

And if R follows what I said in the OP about Miami(drug and human trafficking, illegal immigration, organized crime, etc) it would resemble nothing like GTA 5 which was mostly about the Feds and heists. And I HOPE the project Americas rumor is true. Has it been refuted?

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16 minutes ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

As I said in the now legendary thread I made I would only want Vice City as the location if it is included as part of a fully reimagined state of Florida that also includes multiple smaller cities based on places like Belle Glade, West Palm Beach, Key West, Tampa etc. with additional locations in the Caribbean or South America.

 

Through my various debates with posters that I am no longer allowed to name, I've made it clear that a past time setting/the 1970's is the most ideal scenario for GTA VI. However, considering that it looks increasingly likely that GTA VI could possibly have multiple time settings or even a time jump gameplay feature, a modern day setting could be plausible ONLY if there are multiple time frames where we play as the same protagonist at different stages of his life.  If this is the case then I think the present day portion of the game should be at the latter stages of the main story and the 70's & 80's portion of the game would take up most of the story.

You state things in the definite and have yet to provide solid evidence

 

I could list off many reasons why a past time setting would hinder a MAIN TITLE GTA game

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2 minutes ago, JStarr31 said:

You state things in the definite and have yet to provide solid evidence

 

I could list off many reasons why a past time setting would hinder a MAIN TITLE GTA game

Yea with modern times themes are constantly changing.  Drug trafficking is still big but bigger than EVER. But now you have new situations like the current  migrant situation and human trafficking. All three which are occurring in Miami and are ripe for a good GTA story. 

 

In other news and back to drug trafficking. 

 

Cocaine production in Colombia is at historic highs

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2019/07/06/cocaine-production-in-colombia-is-at-historic-highs

 

And Miami is Colombia(South America/Caribbean in general) main USA destination. Miami is getting flooded with cocaine. So again why do we need a Scarface 80s era again when its already happening but at a much HIGHER rate now? You're from Miami @JStarr31 and seem knowledgeable can you elaborate on this?

 

No offense to those who want past settings but I can't think of any reasons outside of old soundtracks and old cars...

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8 minutes ago, The Made Man said:

Yea with modern times themes are constantly changing.  Drug trafficking is still big but bigger than EVER. But now you have new situations like the current  migrant situation and human trafficking. All three which are occurring in Miami and are ripe for a good GTA story. 

 

In other news and back to drug trafficking. 

 

Cocaine production in Colombia is at historic highs

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2019/07/06/cocaine-production-in-colombia-is-at-historic-highs

 

And Miami is Colombia(South America/Caribbean in general) main USA destination. Miami is getting flooded with cocaine. So again why do we need a Scarface 80s era again when its already happening but at a much HIGHER rate now? You're from Miami @JStarr31 and seem knowledgeable can you elaborate on this?

 

No offense to those who want past settings but I can't think of any reasons outside of old soundtracks and old cars...

No offence taken. I just don't trust Rockstar with modern soundtracks, tbh. And I feel the soundtrack adds so much to the atmosphere of the game - y'know?

 

You asked has Project Americas been refuted - it hasnt but it hasn't been proved either. Not to blow my own trumpet but I advocated the idea of before the leak even happened - years ago. a Vice State + Caribbean/South American setting is essential for a new Vice City setting, and would work in either era. 

 

Out of interest, are we both in agreement that VC can be done again still be fresh? I don't understand the argument that somehow VC has been done yet three lone gunman mafia games in LC and two cowboy games in RDR are not overdone... VC needs a makeover.

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2 minutes ago, PaddsterG2k3 said:

No offence taken. I just don't trust Rockstar with modern soundtracks, tbh. And I feel the soundtrack adds so much to the atmosphere of the game - y'know?

I agree. But outside of soundtracks and cars what else? Modern day Miami does the same things 80s Miami does but more. The only difference is that its less violent(no shootouts in malls), people not dressed in 80s clothing. As for modern soundtracks? I did not find anything wrong with IV's or V's soundtrack. But if Rockstar wanted to go with some Miami/Vice City like atmosphere then if I was them I'd add some good Cuban/Latin stations(not reggaeton...) to capture that Latin tropical vibe. Trust me my friend it can work if done right. 

 

 

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No doubt Miami is an interesting city. And I don't get that people are claiming it couldn't work for a new, modern GTA. Just some people would prefer an older one. 

 

I'm like Paddster. I don't mind if it's set in a modern setting again. Just that for me,  it's a bit obvious and predictable if they do go to modern Miami. Like can we not have somewhere new? 

 

And if it is modern Miami, then definitely want some islands or some South American country. And although I like an older setting, we've had Vice City, Vice City Stories, Scarface: The World Is Yours. I know Rockstar will make a crazy new city and do it there was but I still feel I want to explore somewhere I don't quite know but will want to get to know after playing the game. 

 

And posting things like Ultra festivals is cool and Ultra didn't exist back in the 80's but it's not like we go to music festivals in GTA anyway. :) 

 

But good topic. You put a huge amount of effort in to it. Must have taken you some time. 

 

Well done. 

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of course between that :

 

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and that :

 

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the choice is clear, the past is restrictive in all areas : what a city has to offer, diversity of vehicles, music, clothing, weapons ...

Rockstar knows that and will not make the suicidal choice of the past, this diversity is essential in the revenues generated by online

we have nothing to fear, only the nostalgic naives of the 80s will be disappointed

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10 minutes ago, Mister Pink said:

No doubt Miami is an interesting city. And I don't get that people are claiming it couldn't work for a new, modern GTA. Just some people would prefer an older one. 

 

I'm like Paddster. I don't mind if it's set in a modern setting again. Just that for me,  it's a bit obvious and predictable if they do go to modern Miami. Like can we not have somewhere new? 

 

And if it is modern Miami, then definitely want some islands or some South American country. And although I like an older setting, we've had Vice City, Vice City Stories, Scarface: The World Is Yours. I know Rockstar will make a crazy new city and do it there was but I still feel I want to explore somewhere I don't quite know but will want to get to know after playing the game. 

 

And posting things like Ultra festivals is cool and Ultra didn't exist back in the 80's but it's not like we go to music festivals in GTA anyway. :) 

 

But good topic. You put a huge amount of effort in to it. Must have taken you some time. 

 

Well done. 

Thanks for the post. But regarding the bolded it could work in terms of a mission or chapter of the game. Think Assassins Creed 2 during the Renaissance festivals. 

 

 

 

Or even GTA SA during the riot setting. Festivals would essentially change the city and even gameplay. 

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3 hours ago, JStarr31 said:

You state things in the definite and have yet to provide solid evidence

 

I could list off many reasons why a past time setting would hinder a MAIN TITLE GTA game

 

You are free to list them as you please...

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30 minutes ago, Forza_GTA said:

the choice is clear, the past is restrictive in all areas : what a city has to offer, diversity of vehicles, music, clothing, weapons ...

It's weird, do you think people in the 80's were missing clothes of the future that didn't exist yet? There were plenty of weapons, cars, clothes. Nothing is going to be restricted. Technically, if Rockstar wanted to, they can make more options of clothing in an 80's GTA VI than in a modern GTA V. You might not get current styles but you can certainly get as much and if not, more choices of clothes. It's just a matter of including more variations. So the choice, isn't clear. 

 

As for vehicles, there wont be modern supercars. But we have lots of games to play modern super cars but little games like GTA to play in older settings. People spammed the sh*t out of modern supercars in GTA that in became a farce. it looked ridiculous. I actually miss GTA IV for the fact that it resembled something like real life, unlike GTA where everyone pissing around it some hideous looking alien-green super-car. 

 

Going from IV to V, the Infernus just looked the same. The Futo barely changed. So many cars were the same. When you bounce between times, everything changes stylistically and very drastically. So if you like diversty, having 2 modern set GTA's IV and V and then having an older set game would be a good example of diversity in time-setting ;) 

 

30 minutes ago, Forza_GTA said:

Rockstar knows that and will not make the suicidal choice of the past, this diversity is essential in the revenues generated by online

Suicidal choices of the past? What are you taking about? Can you be specific? And regarding diversity, using your own logic, we should go in the past again to keep the titles diverse, like VC and SA. ;) 

 

30 minutes ago, Forza_GTA said:

we have nothing to fear, only the nostalgic naives of the 80s will be disappointed

I was a toddler in the 80's so don't remember it much. And really enjoyed Vice City. I never lived in the 40's and enjoyed L.A. Noire. Pretty sure I didn't live during the 1800's but love Red Dead Redemption. I'm hardly naive nor nostalgic for times I've never experienced. 

 

Those images you posted are hardly and argument either. 

 

The game will be really scaled down anyway. So showing a city with more high-rises is kind of mute. Yeah, the modern images look more appealing to live-in, in real life but remember, this is going to be a videogame. Take the first and second image you posted: 2nd image would be scaled down to something like the first image anyway. And buildings are buildings in GTA, you just drive around them or might have an apartment in them. It doesn't add much value. It ads scenic value but not much more. 

 

Using your own arguments, Vice City and San Andreas should never have been made! ha

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Some of these arguments for a modern day setting are preposterous. I mean you've got guys posting music festivals as reasonings to why VI should be a modern day setting lol. 

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3 minutes ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

Some of these arguments for a modern day setting are preposterous. I mean you've got guys posting music festivals as reasonings to why VI should be a modern day setting lol. 

And yet.... I don't see your counter-arguments? None. And my OP debunked most of the anti-modern Vice City/Miami arguments especially when it comes to crime. The music festival wasn't even my main reason if you actually read the OP but it was to show how vastly different and unique Miami is from not just 1980s Miami but also LA and NYC culturally. Try again.

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Eternal Moonshine

i'm not going to argue with every single point made in this thread. i'm just gonna express my opinion. personally i'm tired of games being set in current times. i want GTA 6 to let me experience the world as it used to be. without the internet, smartphones and all this modern stuff that i'm surrounded by everyday in real life. maybe Miami could work in a modern setting. i'm sure R* could pull it off if they wanted to. i just hope they will focus on a period setting because to me it would make the game much more interesting

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Excalibur Voltaire

I mean, being set in modern Miami doesn't mean they can't add 80's soundtrack right?

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Why not have it set in both the 80’s and the modern era? The majority of RDR 2 was in 1899 and the epilogue was in 1907. R* could easily set the first half of GTA VI in 80’s VC and then the latter half in present day VC.

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