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The Coronavirus Thread

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sivispacem
1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

But when he died, the determined cause of death was Covid-19 because he tested positive.

This is a misrepresentation of the actual recording mechanism. Covid-19 has to be recorded as a direct or underlying cause of a fatality in order for it to be recorded as a Covid-19 associated death as per the NHS' recording system.

It also cuts both ways, as people are dying of underlying health issues that would not have otherwise killed them if it weren't for interaction with Covid-19, and not being recorded in statistics because they're either not being tested or tests are coming back after the death certificate has been signed due to the enormous backlog.

Equally, large numbers of Covid-19 deaths are going unreported because the victims are dying outside of the NHS who are the primary figure recording body.

 

There's circa 25,000 excess deaths up to 5th June 2020 in the UK which are not accounted for in Covid-19 recording statistics (circa 65k total with around 40k it slightly lower accounted for via Covid-19 diagnosed mortality). It is highly likely that a significant proportion of these are direct results of Covid-19 infections. All empirical evidence points to the recording system underestimating rates of fatal interaction rather than overestimating them.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

You've posted a link that has literally nothing to do with the discussion at hand. That there are likely to be extremely large secondary impacts, in some cases above and beyond that of the pandemic itself, in less developed countries or those where medical systems struggle and fail to maintain functionality when exposed to the influx of victims, surprises nobody. it also doesn't constitute a rebuttal to anything I've said.

 

These secondary impacts don't magically disappear if you don't lockdown either, in most cases they're exacerbated by higher rates of infection.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

But again, this is only accounting for those who have been tested and confirmed positive.

You clearly didn't even bother to read my post, not that I'm especially surprised given the lengths you are willing to go to try and defend your denialism.

The MIT estimates are total infected persons, including those who asymptomatic.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

You spoke of preventing a second wave like in some countries, and I asked you to name a few.

Which I did. Each of the examples provided has experienced a second wave due to relaxations of regulation designed to prevent the spread except Brazil, which decided to just eschew having any waves at all and seems intent on infecting their entire population.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Also, you might think not locking down is doing things monumentally bad

Countries that locked down early and carefully managed their returns to economic normality, often with significant direct support from the state, have seen drastically lower confirmed fatalities, lower excess deaths and less overall economic impact than those that have not.

I don't know what metrics you use to determine relative "success" but if this looks anything other than positive to you in comparison to, say, the US, I would suggest you're very wrong indeed.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

but one cannot reasonably suggest that the tactic in New Zealand will prove to be any better.

It has so far, and all evidence points to it continuing to do so. If you have something empirical to the contrary, then present it.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

has done more harm than the virus itself such as causing an economic drop on par with the 2008 financial crisis.

How are you defining "harm" here? Whatever the approach, it seems incredibly short-term and rather unrealistic. Had the UK not engaged in the lockdown, there would still have been significant economic impact as individuals chose to self-isolate; as we saw before the lockdown was implemented. We would have also been faced with an existential crisis within the health service, which was only able to cope with the number of cases it did by scrimping and saving, cutting huge numbers of nonessential services and drafting in ex-employees in some cases in their seventies and eighties. Can you propose an approach that would have caused less demonstrable harm. On what basis, and what is your evidence to support it?

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

That's not even considering the amount of people who can't go to the hospital to get treatment for other illnesses that could be fatal.

And how do these figures compare to the total fatalities so far? Almost all critical care services have continued to function during the crisis and though there has been impact in some areas like dialysis and long-term cancer care there's absolutely zero evidence to suggest this is anything like comparable in scale and scope.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

But together, Coronavirus and Rhinovirus are the main causes of common colds.

Rhinovirus are the main cause of common colds, Coronavirus and Influenza viruses are very much secondary causes. Not that it matters because the point is moot for reasons described above; not all viruses within a family are comparable and just becasue some are relatively low-risk does not mean you can dismiss the whole family as not worth worrying about. You clearly lack even the most basic layman understanding of virology.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

You know what else is cherry-picking?

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Tu quoques aren't an argument, FWIW. 

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Malaria is not a fair comparison 

Malaria is absolutely a fair comparison as it's a widely prevalent infectious disease with global implications. It's transmission method is irrelevant to my point.

 

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Viruses can't afford to kill their hosts because they can't spread and breed without one.

This is drivel on multiple counts. Firstly, malaria is not a viral infection, being caused by a Plasmodium. Coronavirus, however is, as are the likes of the Ebolaviruses and lots of other very very fatal infectious diseases.

I can only assume you meant "parasites" here, which would also be wrong in the case of malaria, as malaria has a mortality rate of between six and twenty percent, depending on the specific strain in question.

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Shnockered1

Ok. So can we all agree that wearing masks is completely unnecessary, that it's a "grand conspiracy" to "control the masses", and if you do wear one, to not forget to don tin-foiled hats?

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Mr. Scratch

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Zello
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Looking at the stats of cities in other countries and how some have no one in the hospital over corona cases. We've really really mishandled the pandemic here.

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On 7/27/2020 at 8:33 PM, sivispacem said:

The US is the primary culprit of "doing things monumentally badly", as are the likes of.....India

Where can I learn more about how India has handled the pandemic(from an outside source though I guess everyone has their biases) if you don't mind me asking? Cause here depending on what you prefer to subscribe to it's either we've handled it relatively well with WHO praising our efforts or we've handled it terribly and are going to overtake US and Brazil soon in number of cases

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Uncle Sikee Atric
9 minutes ago, ~Tiger~ said:

Well, where I live, we are facing the beginning of another lockdown...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

The best bit is, they're busily trying to pass the buck to other nations, while ignoring the mess they've made so far domestically.

 

When it's been so badly handled so far, this was inevitable.

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Detective Phelps

It's a bloody mess, the announcement was poorly timed for Manchester, and the advice is really weird over there. Going to a relative's house is bad but going to the restaurant or going to the pub is perfectly fine? Imo, the lockdown was eased far too early. Then there are people going on holiday, during a bloody pandemic... 

 

Oh, and don't even get me started on that tory MP, what a twat. Using racist rhetoric (it's past the point of dogwhistles now) to pin the blame on scapegoats instead of acknowledging his party's cock up.

 

 

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Uncle Sikee Atric
18 minutes ago, Detective Phelps said:

Oh, and don't even get me started on that tory MP, what a twat. Using racist rhetoric (it's past the point of dogwhistles now) to pin the blame on scapegoats instead of acknowledging his party's cock up.

 

The Tories have been buck-passing and scapegoating since day one regarding Covid-19, yet they claim they're in control?

I think today's cover of the Independent should be forever framed as an example of how well they've done :

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JON22
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^^^^^lmao boris is a prick.

 

On topic, where I live could be locked down because people aren't social distancing. Every time I go out to work and back home I'm zigzagging across the road or turning to go another way because someone ahead is coughing away. Also, not pointing fingers (I'm not muslim), but the people I've seen* going into the mosque near me aren't wearing face masks, and today the street was crowded with worshippers all talking in groups with no masks. I've also seen random people while going to/home from work wearing a mask but their nose uncovered.

 

*when walking my dog or going to the shop to top up my gas/leccy. I'm not one of those people who's always looking out the window.

 

Apparently this was today on a beach. Uk is f*cked.

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Edit: checking my phone to see how long until my tea was ready and saw a message from the nhs saying where I live (preston💩) had a spike in coronavirus so no visitors allowed.

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Arrows to Athens
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My appointments have been cancelled/delayed. Not the first time it's happened, though. I was supposed to have a dermatology appointment in late August as a follow up to my UV light treatment, which didn't prove successful. No re-arranged date has been given.

 

Also, back in early March, before the WHO confirmed COVID to be a pandemic, I saw a doctor about wax blockage in both my ears. She arranged for me to have it removed at a clinic. It's been about 5 months and still no appointment has been arranged.

 

Got a call last month about it, and they said a letter will be posted confirming my appointment date. Don't think I'll be seeing it anytime soon. I have the worst timing imaginable. 

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sivispacem
9 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

Also, back in early March, before the WHO confirmed COVID to be a pandemic, I saw a doctor about wax blockage in both my ears. She arranged for me to have it removed at a clinic. It's been about 5 months and still no appointment has been arranged.

IIRC Boots are doing walk-in ear syringing if you don't want to wait for a GP referral. Pretty sure my dad had his done last month.

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Candy_Licker
13 hours ago, JON22 said:

^^^^^lmao boris is a prick.

 

On topic, where I live could be locked down because people aren't social distancing. Every time I go out to work and back home I'm zigzagging across the road or turning to go another way because someone ahead is coughing away. Also, not pointing fingers (I'm not muslim), but the people I've seen* going into the mosque near me aren't wearing face masks, and today the street was crowded with worshippers all talking in groups with no masks. I've also seen random people while going to/home from work wearing a mask but their nose uncovered.

 

*when walking my dog or going to the shop to top up my gas/leccy. I'm not one of those people who's always looking out the window.

 

Apparently this was today on a beach. Uk is f*cked.

31414500-8579437-image-a-256_15962035562

 

Edit: checking my phone to see how long until my tea was ready and saw a message from the nhs saying where I live (preston💩) had a spike in coronavirus so no visitors allowed.

wow. That's f*cked up. Although it seems congregating outside is far less dangerous than in closed quarters. Still highly irresponsible.

 

But Corona aside, how can anyone enjoy these cramped conditions? 

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*gta star*

Its typical... the first bit of sun the UK gets in a while & thousands flock to beaches. Here's something for the Government to consider... WHY DON'T YOU CLOSE THE BEACHES SO PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO THEM? SIMPLE. 

 

1. People shouldn't be going on holidays during a pandemic, in my view. So there should be no crowded airports because the borders & all the airports should be closed. Going on holiday isn't essential... The only flights that should be landing into this country are freight & medical supplies (Essential travel). People shouldn't be jetting off on their jollies... It may be harsh, but we really need to do something about the number of people arriving & leaving this country each day. 

 

2. The Government are telling people that they need to quarantine if they come back from certain countries around the world. Who is actually enforcing it? You can land into a UK airport & there's no testing upon arrival. If non-essential travel was stopped, we wouldn't need to have stupid quarantine rules that aren't being enforced because there would be no travel in the first place, i.e. No one coming into this country or leaving it that potentially could transmit the virus to others. CLOSE THE BORDERS, STOP NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL. 

 

3. Lockdown measures were put in place again for places like Manchester, Lancashire & West Yorkshire recently. So, people who don't live in your household aren't allowed to visit you indoors or in your garden. Yet, you can go to a pub or restaurant indoors & meet people? WHAT KIND OF RULE IS THAT!??? IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. 

 

The handling of the pandemic by the UK Government has been absolutely shocking. 

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Arrows to Athens
Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, sivispacem said:

IIRC Boots are doing walk-in ear syringing if you don't want to wait for a GP referral. Pretty sure my dad had his done last month.

I already tried that method. Used eardrops (hydrogen peroxide solution) for several days to soften and break down the wax, then used a bulb syringe to squirt water into the ears to help remove it, but to no avail. If anything, it made it worse. The wax is quite deep inside.

 

This is when I decided to get it removed via microsuction and made an appointment with the GP to get it arranged. I got my ears syringed via ear irrigation back in early 2018 and it managed to remove all the wax, but all that water being squirted into my ears gave me a painful ear infection.

 

Also, my GP stopped doing ear irrigation, so microsuction is the best option. It's safer, too.

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JON22

I can't wait until Preston goes into lockdown again. It will serve everyone right for not social distancing. Read that it had the highest rate of infections for the last two days in Lancashire outside of the areas put in local lockdown. Also read that Emmaus, a charity for homeless people that houses them in exchange for training and working in their charity shops closed down for two weeks here because a member had the virus and had only just started. I walk past one of their shops after work. Speaking of work I might not go if we go back into lockdown or infections keep rising. Train station has been busy when walking to the office I clean. I hate my job.

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Aquamaniac

People in Germany are protesting against Corona regulations, not sure what exactly they protesting for or against, my feeling is that the general situation is like it was in March, possible 2nd wave ahead:

 

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Candy_Licker
15 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said:

People in Germany are protesting against Corona regulations, not sure what exactly they protesting for or against, my feeling is that the general situation is like it was in March, possible 2nd wave ahead:

 

21869085-in-berlin-mitte-draengen-sich-d

 

 

yup, plus all the people on vacation, partying etc. Pretty likely infections will rise again quickly and then it's back to square 1. 

Restrictions have been lifted left and right, yet these Covidiots will make sure this will be rolled back. Great job people, you accomplished exactly the opposite of what you've been protesting for. 

 

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*gta star*

I think the UK went into lockdown too late & eased it too soon. Not all businesses are open yet, but most are.

 

Its no wonder we're seeing a huge spike in the infection rate... people are in contact with eachother more, simply by being back at work etc. By the Government easing lockdown, they basically opened the door again for the virus to come through.

 

Typical Government, thinking of the economy & their pockets before public health. 

 

 

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The mask situation is getting ridiculous and before you go ahead and ignore my post and think I'm on the "anti mask" bandwagon, I'm not, not at all. Rather I'm annoyed by how difficult it has become to obtain genuine products without now having to pay an arm and a leg. 2 years ago a pack of 5 disposable masks would've set you back less than $10. Now it's gone up to $20 and if you want 10 or more in a single pack you can look forward to paying close to $50. The advice situation on masks has changed (funny that huh?) and now the governments and media are pleading for people to wear a mask when out and about. One major supermarket chain has (while not mandatory) encouraged shoppers to wear masks as of today when shopping inside of their own stores. I'd like to play my part & do the right thing but it has been made difficult to even get a mask in the first place. You can hardly find genuine products as I mentioned anymore as cheapos & non genuines have flooded the search results & listings.  If you do find the genuine in the results, be prepared to pay an arm and a leg, if you find one of those genuine masks, let's say made by 3M it can cost $70 - $100. Yes we're putting a price on safety now because f*ck you

 

The Ebay knock offs are the only chance I have to get something but their essentially unbranded and god knows where from and there was already a scare a few months back about fake masks flooding the market so it's become difficult to differentiate if we can trust them or not, I don't really feel like being cheap as in this situation I shouldn't be but I shouldn't be picky on the matter either as I need to go out eventually to get shopping done and all. 

 

I've mentioned in the past I actually have a half-face respirator but I find it a bit too big so something a little smaller would help but if I can't get a decent mask I'll just have to use it. Some B&M stores don't have stock physically in store but again if it's online they've decidedly gone with the price gouging, one I looked at is selling 2 disposables for $15, good grief! 

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WapitiWarrior1899

So,,,,, yeah. My left eye lid just randomly swell up moment ago after eyes and throat being little itchy.. Happened super Quick wtf. My stomach was hurting yesterday little bit and iv had some strange feelings in some of my muscles. Oh boy,,,,,,, my luck,, here it comes.... or maybe its just some random coincidences compained. Idk. Read about symptoms and kind of matches. Worried about my parents though because if i have it they 100% surely have it too because we live in same house at the moment and the other day my mother was talking about feeling belly sick just like i did yesterday... 

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3 hours ago, WapitiWarrior1899 said:

So,,,,, yeah. My left eye lid just randomly swell up moment ago after eyes and throat being little itchy.. Happened super Quick wtf. My stomach was hurting yesterday little bit and iv had some strange feelings in some of my muscles. Oh boy,,,,,,, my luck,, here it comes.... or maybe its just some random coincidences compained. Idk. Read about symptoms and kind of matches. Worried about my parents though because if i have it they 100% surely have it too because we live in same house at the moment and the other day my mother was talking about feeling belly sick just like i did yesterday... 

Stomach problems can be symptoms of COVID, but they are less common. I wouldn't consider them to be a good indicator of COVID, since they're is also a common symptom of food poisoning e.g. gastroentirits. Have you ruled that out? Also, I have never heard anything about itchy eyes and an itchy throat being symptoms. Sore throat, yes, but not itchy throat/eyes. That sounds like hay fever or allergies to me. As for the swelling in your left eyelid, it's possible that you rubbed it or scratched it too much? I have atopic eczema, and I find that if I rub or scratch my eyelids too much, they tend to swell up a bit. Perhaps you did it in your sleep without even knowing. As for the "strange feeling" in your muscles, I don't know what that means. Are they aching? Because that is a somewhat common symptom.

 

Is your sense of smell normal by any chance? Because loss of smell appears to be a common symptom of COVID amongst younger people, especially under 40's. I had this symptom back in late March, as did everyone else in my household. Couldn't smell or detect flavour for a few weeks. I developed a mild cough as well. Other symptoms I had were a headache, pain in eyes when looking around, burning sensation in nostrils when breathing in through the nose, and a sore throat. No fever or shortness of breath, though. Those symptoms seem to be more common in more moderate-to-severe cases. We all recovered within a couple of weeks. Depending on where you live, you may be eligible for testing, so try to get tested just in case. 

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On 8/2/2020 at 7:13 PM, B7R said:

The mask situation is getting ridiculous and before you go ahead and ignore my post and think I'm on the "anti mask" bandwagon, I'm not, not at all. Rather I'm annoyed by how difficult it has become to obtain genuine products without now having to pay an arm and a leg. 2 years ago a pack of 5 disposable masks would've set you back less than $10. Now it's gone up to $20 and if you want 10 or more in a single pack you can look forward to paying close to $50. The advice situation on masks has changed (funny that huh?) and now the governments and media are pleading for people to wear a mask when out and about. One major supermarket chain has (while not mandatory) encouraged shoppers to wear masks as of today when shopping inside of their own stores. I'd like to play my part & do the right thing but it has been made difficult to even get a mask in the first place. You can hardly find genuine products as I mentioned anymore as cheapos & non genuines have flooded the search results & listings.  If you do find the genuine in the results, be prepared to pay an arm and a leg, if you find one of those genuine masks, let's say made by 3M it can cost $70 - $100. Yes we're putting a price on safety now because f*ck you

 

The Ebay knock offs are the only chance I have to get something but their essentially unbranded and god knows where from and there was already a scare a few months back about fake masks flooding the market so it's become difficult to differentiate if we can trust them or not, I don't really feel like being cheap as in this situation I shouldn't be but I shouldn't be picky on the matter either as I need to go out eventually to get shopping done and all. 

 

I've mentioned in the past I actually have a half-face respirator but I find it a bit too big so something a little smaller would help but if I can't get a decent mask I'll just have to use it. Some B&M stores don't have stock physically in store but again if it's online they've decidedly gone with the price gouging, one I looked at is selling 2 disposables for $15, good grief! 

I've been using a cloth mask.

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12 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

Stomach problems can be symptoms of COVID, but they are less common. I wouldn't consider them to be a good indicator of COVID, since they're is also a common symptom of food poisoning e.g. gastroentirits. Have you ruled that out? Also, I have never heard anything about itchy eyes and an itchy throat being symptoms. Sore throat, yes, but not itchy throat/eyes. That sounds like hay fever or allergies to me. As for the swelling in your left eyelid, it's possible that you rubbed it or scratched it too much? I have atopic eczema, and I find that if I rub or scratch my eyelids too much, they tend to swell up a bit. Perhaps you did it in your sleep without even knowing. As for the "strange feeling" in your muscles, I don't know what that means. Are they aching? Because that is a somewhat common symptom.

 

Is your sense of smell normal by any chance? Because loss of smell appears to be a common symptom of COVID amongst younger people, especially under 40's. I had this symptom back in late March, as did everyone else in my household. Couldn't smell or detect flavour for a few weeks. I developed a mild cough as well. Other symptoms I had were a headache, pain in eyes when looking around, burning sensation in nostrils when breathing in through the nose, and a sore throat. No fever or shortness of breath, though. Those symptoms seem to be more common in more moderate-to-severe cases. We all recovered within a couple of weeks. Depending on where you live, you may be eligible for testing, so try to get tested just in case. 

Yeah i have summer allercies but it has never happened before like this. I was just chillin home and my throat, ear and eyes just started to itch out of nowhere. My eyes were also hurting and so of course i rubbed them and moment later my eye swell, but i have been rubbing my eyes every summer at least 18 years and never has my eye swoll up like that. But,, i was in other part of country yesterday, so maybe there was some other plant dust there that did this. I read it from internet that eyes may swoll up because of covid... But Idk. 

I dont know how to explain the muscle feeling but just pain and weird numbness type of strange feeling that i have never had on random muscles.,, but i lift weights/gym a lot so could be from that. Ofcourse the stomach problem could be from something we ate 3 days ago but who knows. 

 

Maybe this is just some weird coincidence and i over think, but these weird things happening all at same time that have not really happened before is strange. 

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On 8/2/2020 at 7:13 PM, B7R said:

The mask situation is getting ridiculous and before you go ahead and ignore my post and think I'm on the "anti mask" bandwagon, I'm not, not at all. Rather I'm annoyed by how difficult it has become to obtain genuine products without now having to pay an arm and a leg. 2 years ago a pack of 5 disposable masks would've set you back less than $10. Now it's gone up to $20 and if you want 10 or more in a single pack you can look forward to paying close to $50. The advice situation on masks has changed (funny that huh?) and now the governments and media are pleading for people to wear a mask when out and about. One major supermarket chain has (while not mandatory) encouraged shoppers to wear masks as of today when shopping inside of their own stores. I'd like to play my part & do the right thing but it has been made difficult to even get a mask in the first place. You can hardly find genuine products as I mentioned anymore as cheapos & non genuines have flooded the search results & listings.  If you do find the genuine in the results, be prepared to pay an arm and a leg, if you find one of those genuine masks, let's say made by 3M it can cost $70 - $100. Yes we're putting a price on safety now because f*ck you

 

The Ebay knock offs are the only chance I have to get something but their essentially unbranded and god knows where from and there was already a scare a few months back about fake masks flooding the market so it's become difficult to differentiate if we can trust them or not, I don't really feel like being cheap as in this situation I shouldn't be but I shouldn't be picky on the matter either as I need to go out eventually to get shopping done and all. 

 

I've mentioned in the past I actually have a half-face respirator but I find it a bit too big so something a little smaller would help but if I can't get a decent mask I'll just have to use it. Some B&M stores don't have stock physically in store but again if it's online they've decidedly gone with the price gouging, one I looked at is selling 2 disposables for $15, good grief! 

Where are you from? Asking because I’m finding a 50 pack box of disposable for $15

 

Amazon has a 50pc for $17 and then have reusable cloth mask for between $10-$30 you don’t need anything special like they’re using on COVID floors a regular cloth mask is good enough as long as it covers your face and nose is more than enough no mask is 100% even if you do find N95’s there is still a chance you’ll get it many nurses and doctors who wear full PPE including N95’s still got sick.

 

These mask are more or less to reduce the risk of getting it not to eliminate it all together.

 

 

12 hours ago, Zello said:

I've been using a cloth mask.

 

I just realized I have just as many mash as I do shirts and shorts now and this isn’t counting the mask I probably have in

my car and the box of 50 disposable mask I keep on hand for family/friends who might need one.

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JON22

Welp where I live (Preston sh*tty) will be back in lockdown from midnight. Serves everyone right for not social distancing (my brother included. He's gone to his mates to smoke the grass even though I said he's an idiot for going because his mate could have it without knowing it).

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ṼirulenⱦEqừinox
24 minutes ago, JON22 said:

Welp where I live (Preston sh*tty) will be back in lockdown from midnight. Serves everyone right for not social distancing (my brother included. He's gone to his mates to smoke the grass even though I said he's an idiot for going because his mate could have it without knowing it).

They all think they’re invincible when they’re in their teens and early 20’s or they think it’s a hoax or “Just a little flu”

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Cameron Star

All my relatives and their friends are all flaunting social distancing rules. We're constantly having people coming over and had two barbecues in the back garden already. They talk about keeping distance from each other but then they all touch the same things and don't wash their hands, not to mention the babies running around the house who probably haven't been washed in three days.

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