The Coronavirus Thread

[ddarko12]

46 minutes ago, LordStarship said:

People tend to overreact with this, just because they can't meet with their friends or take a walk or anything they usually do in public. 

Well, I think the biggest problem is money. At least in America. I know people are looking at America right now and asking "why do all they care about is this economy?" and part of that is 1. because lots of people are furloughed or permanently laid off and don't know how they're going to make and 2. the stimulus just isn't cutting it for people out of work and some business. There's legitimately some colleges that are beginning to fold. There is truth to the fact that if your business wasn't doing so great before the pandemic that this isn't entirely the lockdown's fault. But, that is not true for a lot of others. And employees... we've got people who said they have already burned through savings that took a while to build up. Because they lost their income, but the bills don't stop, and it's not as easy as getting unemployment (that's another thing, and no not everybody gets it) as if that would even cover much. This is putting a lot of people in very bad positions. I think people are underestimating and downplaying it.

 

Yes the virus is affecting everyone (especially those getting it/the family members of those dying). My classes are now online, I can't do what I used to do every day, I can't go the places I want- all that. Who cares, I can manage it. I'm not complaining. I may vent about it a little but I'm fine. But there are thousands of people who can't manage this situation and I think that's where a lot of the anti-lockdown crowd stems from. Not "I wanna go to the movies" not "I wanna go see so and so" not "I want my freedom back" or any gibberish like that. It's looking more like "I have no money" "My business is gone" "How am I gonna manage if this persists for 2 more months" I think protesting is not really that effective except to display the already well-established public unrest. I think it's stupid and all that but... these protesters are not upset because they can't go hang with their friends at the movies, they're upset because they ain't got a damn job and no money. And then the economy is not going to bounce back as quickly as some would hope. Part of that reason is, even in America, when restrictions are lifted, roughly 8 out of 10 feel they're not going to want to resume normal activities. So I don't really know how it's going to work. And when this pandemic subsides, and your bill collector's, landlord- whatever stop being so lenient... how are you gonna pay?

 

I don't know it's just things like that I think about. I see people arguing about it every day, calling each other selfish, all of that. I don't agree with "reopening the economy" after April 30th. I don't even feel comfortable with restrictions being lifted til the end of May at the earliest. And this lockdown is working, and I'm fine with it. I mean I don't enjoy it; I'm introverted but more the textbook go out and go places/be around people then recharge type. I don't know about other places, but outdoor exercise is allowed here and I've been doing my daily walks (10-20k steps a day) since our local shelter-in place was enacted. It was part of my regular routine when going on campus to my classes and all, it certainly wasn't just something I started doing because of this, and it keeps me calm. Everyone outside I've seen has followed protocol. Seen no gatherings, everyone gets out of your way or you do the same. It's nice. But come June, if this were to continue... that's when I'm going to get like "okay... what's the plan here?"

 

Because in my eyes, the lockdown was to buy time, e.g. stop overwhelming the healthcare system and better prepare for future outbreaks and figure out our game plan. It was never sustainable. This cannot last until a vaccine. And intermittent lockdowns until then are a fair idea but I feel like only in the areas that need them. But nationally or statewide, I cannot see that working out.

 

But again, as far as me, I'm fine right now. Nobody I personally know is out of a job (yet), and I've been managing. But what happens next?

Edited April 21, 2020 by ddarko12

[Rhoda]

An interesting take I found through-out all of this is that some anti-vaxxers are changing their minds because of this pandemic. Whilst this won't change the more hardcore of believers, I find it odd because if there was ever a vaccine that would have teething problems, it's this one. The rushed production and general urgency surrounding the development of this COVD-19 vaccine means there'll likely be a shorter review period and there won't be the established safety history we already recognise in such vaccines as influenza or measles. A similar thing happened with the polio vaccine, which was also rushed and some considered it impossible at the time. One bad batch from the laboratory had some devastating effects for an unlucky group of 200 people.

 

I digress though - the death rate here in the UK has fallen dramatically over the past few days, practically being cut in half and the trend continues to suggest we're on a downward slope. We're being told constantly that we've passed the peak but there's the ever present warning of a "second peak" which could be more deadly as people relax their attitudes towards the measures put in place.

[Craigsters]

 

imgur hosted image

 

LANTOP Full Face Protection Shield Dustproof Anti-Saliva Anti-Fog Anti-Spitting Cap Cover Safety Isolation Protective Hat Outdoor Fisherman Hat

 

Seen this face shield hat at amazon.ca last night and I'm tempted to get it, along with fifty mask from another amazon sale I seen, the rubber gloves where out of stock last night, and then this morning there back in stock

 

 

[Zello]

2 hours ago, Craigsters said:

 

imgur hosted image

 

LANTOP Full Face Protection Shield Dustproof Anti-Saliva Anti-Fog Anti-Spitting Cap Cover Safety Isolation Protective Hat Outdoor Fisherman Hat

 

 

That hat image is always an ad here on the forum lol.

[Craigsters]

If you ever shop online at certain sites, and buy something there, then the site follows you around with thing's you  viewed before at that site, google and some browsers do that to you, think it's ad profiling  or something like that!..

 

I was searching for keyboards online one time and then seen nothing but keyboards ads everywhere for a month straight

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

[Shaundi.]

On 4/19/2020 at 10:59 AM, Craigsters said:

 

got to be a anti vaccinator behind the wheel

That photo is pretty cringe.

 

This might sound incredibly harsh or cruel but if any country is deserving of 6 or even 7 figure deaths to coronavirus, it's the United States. Perfect candidate. These people showed their utter stupidity on the weekend for the world to see.

 

Just because you're told to stay home to stop the spread of a virus doesn't mean your rights and freedoms are being stripped away and doesn't mean it's the ushering in of communism. These people are morons of the highest order.

[Craigsters]

[GhettoJesus]

There are couple of more.

 

[Arrows to Athens]

This bugger has somehow found its way into my facility.

 

[LordStarship]

It's just another stupidity at it's finest. Imagine relating the best procedure to avoid a deadly pandemic to an ideology. My God, why do they even exist? Is this the second wave of flat earth or something?

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

Regarding all those 'protesters....'

[Plage]

12 hours ago, GhettoJesus said:

There are couple of more.

 

I'm quite sure that's not how the name of that state is written, lady.

[GhettoJesus]

1 minute ago, Plage said:

I'm quite sure that's not how the name of that state is written, lady.

And also that is not how you write people.

[Plage]

7 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said:

And also that is not how you write people.

Peapple pie...

[Mister Pink]

I find these protestors a bit selfish. It's about their liberty and "muh freedoms" and I get that. I'm the last person that wants to be told what I can and can't do by the government. However, it's not about me. With this Covid 19, especially since we have no vaccine and very little defence against it, I think we have to think an and act as a collective group and not on an individual level until we get this resolved. 

 

But, they have a right to protest, so I accept that. But "give me liberty" OK. To do what exactly? When most people are complacent in a lockdown scenario, there's f*ck-all you can do anyway. Just accept that it's a huge sh*t sandwich and we're all going to have to take a bite.  

 

I'm an absolute advocate of freedom of speech but damn, it's embarrassing when people conflate defending freedom of speech with sheer stupidity and blatant disregard for human health. 

 

 

 

They want their right to be free, so they can be free to contract and spread a deadly virus. That is more value to them. It doesn't matter if they contribute to spreading a deadly virus that will kill people, they want to be free. 

 

I'm usually able to respect differing views and I've shown empathy and would have some acquaintances that consider themselves conservative/libertarian that just have a different views and different thinking than I. I  respect that. But this to me I just can't. It's selfish. Again thinking about themselves in a selfish manner and not thinking about how by disregarding social distancing they are complacent in the spread of a deadly viral disease. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Mister Pink

[Eutyphro]

I don't agree with those protestors, but in a healthy democracy there will be people protesting all sorts of issues I disagree with. I'm more annoyed by people that think there should be noone publicly disagreeing with them than the protestors to be honest. Some of the signs are ridiculous though, but I find it funny.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Eutyphro

[Mister Pink]

6 minutes ago, Eutyphro said:

I'm more annoyed by people that think there should be noone publicly disagreeing with them than the protestors to be honest.

Yeah that bugs me too. I absolutely support people and their right to protest and say pretty much whatever they want, so long as they aren't violent. I may not agree with it but that's necessary for public discourse.

 

Although some people think words are violence but I wont open that can worms, not now. Not in this topic!  

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

It's when the healthcare workers actually respond that makes me smile.
 

 

[Mister Pink]

I'm interested to see how Sweden's approach will pan out. 

 

Not science, but interesting to hear from an American's perspective living there. 

 

[Eutyphro]

8 minutes ago, Mister Pink said:

Yeah that bugs me too. I absolutely support people and their right to protest and say pretty much whatever they want, so long as they aren't violent. I may not agree with it but that's necessary for public discourse.

 

Although some people think words are violence but I wont open that can worms, not now. Not in this topic!  

Yep. Is anyone surprised people will become angry when most of their liberties are taken away for months, maybe up to a year? I'd be worried if that would go over without any discontent. Is anyone surprised among the people disagreeing and protesting there are dumbf*cks? Imagine how stupid the average person is, and that half of people are actually dumber than that. None of this is truly surprising or worrying. What is worrying is the state of American media and democracy.

[sivispacem]

1 hour ago, Eutyphro said:

I'm more annoyed by people that think there should be noone publicly disagreeing with them than the protestors to be honest.

Difference here is that the protesters, by virtue of their actions, might well actually be bringing physical harm on others even just sitting around in a big huddle.

Their failure to practice social distancing and direct confrontation of LE and other authority figures increases the prospect of spreading the virus. 

[SilverRST]

Are Americans that stupid? How many cases of infected people are there, more than 700.000 in the US? Look, I get that you don't want a lockdown but holy f*cking sh*t, I've never seen such pandemic nor experienced so the lockdown to decrease it is justified, get over with. I don't like the lockdown either and am disappointed too but come on. NY seems to be hit the most in the US? Spain and Italy the most hit in EU. "Muh freedumb" Keep that Dumbness-19 for yourself.

[Plage]

I doubt they're all that dumb. The real problem is that they don't have a safety net for such situations in place over there. Now that the big capitalist grinder stopped millions got layed off with basically no means of income. There's no real social security system existing that could buffer the impacts. The government handouts aren't enough and/or simply not reaching the people in need. It has to be scary if the bills are piling up while you're already struggling with the resources you may have. That's why many of them want the bans to be lifted. They're willing to take the risk to put food on their table. That's the liberty they're talking about.

[trip]

Just got the notice...my office is now closed through June 1st.  I've been home since mid March.  Crazy...

[Eutyphro]

3 hours ago, sivispacem said:

Difference here is that the protesters, by virtue of their actions, might well actually be bringing physical harm on others even just sitting around in a big huddle.

Their failure to practice social distancing and direct confrontation of LE and other authority figures increases the prospect of spreading the virus. 

Even in a pandemic a degree of civil liberties such as the right to protest are important to uphold though. Within reasonable bounds, but I think they are fundamental to what a free society is.

[sivispacem]

3 minutes ago, Eutyphro said:

Even in a pandemic a degree of civil liberties such as the right to protest are important to uphold though.

Nobody's denying them the right to free expression, but there are perfectly reasonable and legitimate reasons to prevent their physical congregation given current circumstances. 

Does their right to congregate in protest trump someones else's right to life? Because that's effectively what we're talking about here.

[Eutyphro]

It depends on whether they have a permit to protest. Completely abolishing the right to public protest is very radical to a liberal society. Especially if it will take a year, which seems the time period that this will likely take. In this case it is a choice between the value of civil liberty and safety, which is a classically difficult one. Both should be upheld simultaneously.

[Misumi]

2 hours ago, SilverRST said:

Are Americans that stupid?

American here. Yes, we apparently are. We are a carousel of incompetence.

[scorseses]

2 hours ago, SilverRST said:

Are Americans that stupid?

No. I differ from the belief that a group of complete idiots defines an entire country's population, let alone a country with over 300 million people.