What changes are there in the diamond Casino Heist

[JAMESVX9]

Can anyone tell me what changes that Rockstar did to the diamond Casino Heist with pictures please 

[Da Elite Ninjah]

From twitter Tez2.

 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Da Elite Ninjah
added picture

[Mdc]

25 minutes ago, Da Elite Ninjah said:

From twitter Tez2.

 

 

 

The way they have done it is a bit r* illogical (maid trolley?!) but I suppose it's semi-realistic. Lester keeps going on about how much the duggans insurance goes up everytime we rob them. After 3 months it's only natural there would be a bigger police presence and some security upgrades. I'm surprised they haven't worked out Vincent was the leak on that perma unlocked prep and added some new cameras that don't appear on the map by now. Also some random hacks on doors for hard mode (they rumbled another robbery is being prepped after both guards turn up dead, again, without their keycards or the 6th valet gets dropped in a week...) kinda thing. Lester should be screaming from mission control I told you it was too soon to do this route again, idiotsssss.

 

I know this probably won't be a popular opinion but I'm cool they made changes. The elite challenge was far too easy to obtain and more of a pick up less money and choose low end buyer one time for a guaranteed elite. I also walked through big con and silent sneaky with some pretty terrible players by carrying them with my kid on the 2nd console. Hell when we do it alone the ease of both methods was becoming tedious. It's supposed to be a bit of a challenge not act2 with a seashark or pac standard 3 stay in the bank while the best runs to the bikes and EWOs to bring everyone to a helicopter.  Anyone crying the heist was hard enough as it was either has no decent friends or expects everything handed to them on a plate. It was, and still is a piece of piss to get out undetected with full loot. And thanks to the gold bar dupe and 85% each bugs at the start this DLC should have turned profit within weeks... It's also a very hard pill to swallow when the most difficult awards/unlocks/collectables in a heist DLC are related to poxy arcade games or RNG loving anime princesses.

 

The real issue is, they have had time to do this but not fix bugs like the infinite black screens in preps or the host leaving the board 99% of the time even though people readied up at 15%. Or host starts and you either spawn under the map in a empty arcade or get locked in a infinite launching screen and have to close app to be greeted with you previously left a job you will become bad sport if you do this often. f*ck off with that sh*t already!

[Da Elite Ninjah]

I'm sorry man. Did not mean to get you all worked up

[Mdc]

24 minutes ago, Da Elite Ninjah said:

I'm sorry man. Did not mean to get you all worked up

Worked up? Was just throwing some thoughts out there about the changes. I'm not the usual tez follower who just replies with memes of 'it's a bruh moment' or how dare cstar do such a thing... If you don't have anything useful to add n all that. Move along

[Halal Cyborg]

Relax @Mdc

[Da Elite Ninjah]

55 minutes ago, Mdc said:

Worked up? Was just throwing some thoughts out there about the changes. I'm not the usual tez follower who just replies with memes of 'it's a bruh moment' or how dare cstar do such a thing... If you don't have anything useful to add n all that. Move along

ok boomer. 

[Mdc]

4 minutes ago, Da Elite Ninjah said:

ok boomer. 

I replied to your PM as well. Not sure what the issue is. The OP made 2 threads about these changes and half of tezs followers reply they aren't gonna do this heist anymore. Cos of a trolley and a couple of extra noose... LOL. That's worked up mate.

[Halal Cyborg]

Keep doing gods work @Mdc Rockstar clearly are not scum for deliberately blocking in an illogical and unimmersive fashion the door that takes you to your disguises...not at all it was not motivated by greed and panic that they might sell a few less sharkcards as people worked out their game.

 

How is it not the same as moving goalposts during a footie match?

 

its a disgrace and for some reason you feel the need to defend this incredibly wealthy company who don’t give two sh*ts about you.

 

And I’m an old guy btw

Edited March 2, 2020 by Halal Cyborg

[Da Elite Ninjah]

3 replies Mdc, and still not a single picture added to this thread.

Why are you not helping OP? 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Da Elite Ninjah

[nealmac]

Ok. When you get out the back of the casino, hop across the fence and railing onto the race track as normal. You can still take the normal route round the race track without getting spotted. The only thing you need to do, is to hug the railing on the outside of the track all the way to the ramp (the railing on the right hand side as you're running). For some reason, the new guards won't see you. It's odd, because you will actually pass through their cone of vision too, but they still won't see you. I'm sure Rockstar will patch this though.

 

Tried and tested. Try it out for yourselves and see how you get on.

Edited March 2, 2020 by nealmac

[Mdc]

40 minutes ago, Da Elite Ninjah said:

3 replies Mdc, and still not a single picture added to this thread.

Why are you not helping OP? 

 

 

Wow you can count. I'm sure the OP doesn't need a picture of a pair of rocks though. In fact I'm sure he didn't start 2 threads over this topic unless he wanted some discussion on it as well as the pictures. You don't seem to understand the concept of a merged thread. I picked this one because the 'is it true' one doesn't even have a proper title. OK?

[Tez2]

The heist is still a bit easy with the new changes except for the NOOSE guards outside.

Some people say the cleaner trolley isn't always there, sometimes it's there and the door is locked, other times you can go through the door in the pic above but the other door is blocked. Maybe those players managed to play the older version of the Casino Heist?

To be honest, I agree with @Mdc, introducing new changes to the Casino Heist is cool, in fact I remember lots of players joking about the Casino Heist getting robbed hundred times a day and the Duggan family doesn't do anything about it, but all of a sudden new changes are introduced and everyone start complaining.

However, the way they did it made it feel like they were trying to patch a glitch. I'm all for new changes, but at least pump up the rewards a little bit. Because the idea that the Casino Heist should get harder over time because of all the players robbing it is kinda stupid, at some point, it will end up as Doomsday Act 3 and that will simply ruin the fun of the heist. So either boost the rewards and make it a bit harder, or make those new changes only appear on hard mode.

Edited March 2, 2020 by Fun 2

[Mdc]

1 hour ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Keep doing gods work @Mdc Rockstar clearly are not scum for deliberately blocking in an illogical and unimmersive fashion the door that takes you to your disguises...not at all it was not motivated by greed and panic that they might sell a few less sharkcards as people worked out their game.

 

How is it not the same as moving goalposts during a footie match?

 

its a disgrace and for some reason you feel the need to defend this incredibly wealthy company who don’t give two sh*ts about you.

 

And I’m an old guy btw

I don't defend them at all I'm just pointing out that the elite challenges on this were so easy it seemed too good to be true and they left me with zero sense of achievement. The hardest was aggressive because I had to ensure 80 headshots and these new changes have no bearing on that one. The other 2 could almost be done blindfolded before. Pathetically easy elite challenges compared to doomsday and original heists which needed both skill and some luck to complete.

 

You sure it's all about shark cards? 2m in login bonuses and a 3.5m car off the wheel this past month. Give the most expensive car away before you sell it? Interesting concept. This has been the least paywall update for ages with good profits and I hope the trend continues. Hell they didn't even stitch us with a 200k heist setup fee or anything daft. In fact ever since the casino came out there has been more free stuff than I've ever seen before. Even the noobs can own a garage of supercars nowadays. Sorry, I'm just not upset about a tiny little change which makes elite challenge actually, you know, challenging.

3 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

The heist is still a bit easy with the new changes except for the NOOSE guards outside.

Some people say the cleaner trolley isn't always there, sometimes it's there and the door is locked, other times you can go through the door in the pic above but the other door is blocked. Maybe those players managed to play the older version of the Casino Heist?

To be honest, I agree with @Mdc, introducing new changes to the Casino Heist is cool, in fact I remember lots of players joking about the Casino Heist getting robbed hundred times a day and the Duggan family doesn't do anything about it, but all of a sudden new changes are introduced and everyone start complaining.

However, the way they did it made it feel like they were trying to patch a glitch. I'm all for new changes, but at least pump up the rewards a little bit. Because the idea that the Casino Heist should get harder over time because of all the players robbing it is kinda stupid, at some point, it will end up as Doomsday Act 3 and that will simply ruin the fun of the heist. So either boost the rewards and make it a bit harder, or make those new changes only appear on hard mode.

Exactly. Hard mode isn't even hard. Not on sneaky or con. Why you need a life if going undetected? It was a flawed concept. Would have been a lot more amusing to have it genuinely harder and Lester screaming at you that he told you going this route again was a bad idea. I'm gonna shut up now anyway cos this is clearly a very unpopular opinion we share and some people are getting really salty.

[Halal Cyborg]

13 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

The heist is still a bit easy with the new changes except for the NOOSE guards outside.

Some people say the cleaner trolley isn't always there, sometimes it's there and the door is locked, other times you can go through the door in the pic above but the other door is blocked. Maybe those players managed to play the older version of the Casino Heist?

To be honest, I agree with @Mdc, introducing new changes to the Casino Heist...the way they did it made it feel like they were trying to patch a glitch. I'm all for new changes, but at least pump up the rewards a little bit. Because the idea that the Casino Heist should get harder over time because of all the players robbing it is kinda stupid, at some point, it will end up as Doomsday Act 3 and that will simply ruin the fun of the heist. So either boost the rewards and make it a bit harder, or make those new changes only appear on hard mode.

Totally agree that it was like they were patching a glitch and this is how ridiculous and cheap their behaviour has been here.

 

I never had a problem with the bike in Pac Standard and could get there faster but given the unpredictability of noobs it was nice to have the Kuruma garage option to keep them alive...I understood why they patched it though as it was doing the heist in a totally different way to how it was intended.

 

What they have done here is stop you being able to go and get your disguises...As if it’s an exploit players have been using when they’re just playing the heist as intended.

And they’ve dumped a giant rock on the grass to slow people down too...

What myself and @IceDree found last night was on the stairs on aggressive a lot more guys spawn at once (4 at one point) and there’s one Noose dude (maybe a cop) up the stairs next to where we grab a random car in the small car park next to the horse track entrance...there were no cars and this f*cked us big time and upon crossing the highway in search of an npc car we got raped by noose spawning and lost a ton of money...overall we always do 60/40 and I was host and got 540k with cash...normally I get around 700k in this situation.

 

Rockstar are petty unimaginative dicks with how they have behaved here and anyone that defends that behaviour is either a shill or a fanboy.

[nealmac]

4 hours ago, Halal Cyborg said:

Totally agree that it was like they were patching a glitch and this is how ridiculous and cheap their behaviour has been here.

 

I never had a problem with the bike in Pac Standard and could get there faster but given the unpredictability of noobs it was nice to have the Kuruma garage option to keep them alive...I understood why they patched it though as it was doing the heist in a totally different way to how it was intended.

 

What they have done here is stop you being able to go and get your disguises...As if it’s an exploit players have been using when they’re just playing the heist as intended.

And they’ve dumped a giant rock on the grass to slow people down too...

What myself and @IceDree found last night was on the stairs on aggressive a lot more guys spawn at once (4 at one point) and there’s one Noose dude (maybe a cop) up the stairs next to where we grab a random car in the small car park next to the horse track entrance...there were no cars and this f*cked us big time and upon crossing the highway in search of an npc car we got raped by noose spawning and lost a ton of money...overall we always do 60/40 and I was host and got 540k with cash...normally I get around 700k in this situation.

 

Rockstar are petty unimaginative dicks with how they have behaved here and anyone that defends that behaviour is either a shill or a fanboy.

Agreed. NO one asked them to "fix" this. Why can't the fix the things that cause actual problems? Like getting stuck in the sky when trying to join the heist? Or spawning people over at NOOSE headquarters at the start of the heist? Or the massive performance drop when you exit the elevator on the vault level (on PC)? Or the radar disappearing from the screen? Or the guards apparently being able to see through walls in silent and sneaky? Y'know, things people would expect to work as intended? They get on my tits. It's clear they don't care about the customer.

 

BTW, to get your disguise, just run the other way round the stairwell to get into the laundry area. You will have to knock out one extra guard (the first guy at the top of the stairs). It's still pretty easy, but it's another needless risk created by Rockstar. Quite often, knocking someone out doesn't always work.

[toguraum]

I'm failing to find a video showing a sneaky or big Con run ( with high roller exit disguise) post patch. My Google skills suck.

 

Done both heists twice post patch and everytime I exit the Casino I get detected on the way to the cars. Since the money loss is so minimal (lost 20k last time) I don't bother to retry. The way people describe here in text doesn't work for me, or I can't understand. Video is really needed.

[Gridl0k]

16 hours ago, toguraum said:

I'm failing to find a video showing a sneaky or big Con run ( with high roller exit disguise) post patch. My Google skills suck.

 

Done both heists twice post patch and everytime I exit the Casino I get detected on the way to the cars. Since the money loss is so minimal (lost 20k last time) I don't bother to retry. The way people describe here in text doesn't work for me, or I can't understand. Video is really needed.

I go out the main entrance and straight across the highway to the substation, there's always cars there to get me to the chopper undetected.

 

The sneaky way is Staff Door, turn right, stealth kill the 1 NOOSE behind his van, and into the Lost compound.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Gridl0k

[SummerFreeze]

One change, that I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that at least on Big Con there are a couple armored guards in the staff lobby. They are armored as if you hadn't done Duggan's Shipments, even if you did. That means they take a full Micro SMG clip to the face and won't die.

[SummerFreeze]

Apparently the door is only blocked when using the Gruppe 6 disguises.

[toguraum]

1 hour ago, SummerFreeze said:

Apparently the door is only blocked when using the Gruppe 6 disguises.

I think it's random. Because once as Grupe 6 there was not the cart there

[nealmac]

6 hours ago, toguraum said:

I think it's random. Because once as Grupe 6 there was not the cart there

Yeah, and I did it with the high roller outfits a couple of weeks back and it was also blocked.

[Mdc]

On 3/26/2020 at 11:27 AM, nealmac said:

Yeah, and I did it with the high roller outfits a couple of weeks back and it was also blocked.

It's randomly blocked yes. Sometimes a trolley on the inside, sometimes a cart thing behind it. All part of the fun. Who cares about armoured guards in big con staff lobby... You get out undetected they ain't a problem lol.

[SummerFreeze]

6 hours ago, Mdc said:

It's randomly blocked yes. Sometimes a trolley on the inside, sometimes a cart thing behind it. All part of the fun. Who cares about armoured guards in big con staff lobby... You get out undetected they ain't a problem lol.

I much rather shoot my way out than restart three times.

[toguraum]

On 3/27/2020 at 9:25 PM, Mdc said:

It's randomly blocked yes. Sometimes a trolley on the inside, sometimes a cart thing behind it. All part of the fun. Who cares about armoured guards in big con staff lobby... You get out undetected they ain't a problem lol.

sometimes it's a level 2 card lock on the other side of the door, I've just seen it. And sometimes is simply unlocked. So yeah it's randomized

[Draugnar]

On 3/3/2020 at 7:33 AM, Halal Cyborg said:

I never had a problem with the bike in Pac Standard and could get there faster but given the unpredictability of noobs it was nice to have the Kuruma garage option to keep them alive...I understood why they patched it though as it was doing the heist in a totally different way to how it was intended.

R* were totally aware ppl would do it. You ever noticed, Lesters says "I like your thinking" when you ignored the bikes and picked the kuruma from your garage. I think, they removed the Kuruma option because of the saving/replay exploit which they aparently are unable to fix, so they just tried to make it harder. It is like using the Cargo Bob for Import/Export and ppl saying this is an exploit. If it would be considered to be an exploit ... why had R* included special cutscenes for the Cargo Bob?
 

On 3/26/2020 at 4:51 AM, SummerFreeze said:

Apparently the door is only blocked when using the Gruppe 6 disguises.

In Silent and Sneaky approach it is blocked as well. Not always but often.

Another change:
If you do silent and sneaky and kill a guard in the basement on your way out your cover will be blown when you reach the upper level again. However in Big Con you can kill as many guards as you wish at any time, only Silent&Sneaky is affected

Edit:
Good to know for this change:

 

Edited March 31, 2020 by Draugnar