1.18 Update Released

[Leftover Pizza]

14 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I'm having a rare busy day at work, I've download 1.18, but not had chance to play yet. I take it that today's update hasn't made much, if any difference?

 

Not for me, at least. 20+ lobby and animals vanish into thin air. First load in attempt resulted in an endless loading screen, stuck at 90%. Second attempt set my camp in the Bayou, instead of Great Plains. I've seen 2 white tail deer in total so far and couldn't be bothered to shoot and donate them. 

[ScrappyBauer]

I'm afraid of them fixing animals spawns and saying "done, we did it" and not fixing random encounters. The game felt so alive with that update now they barely spawn on a full session.

Edited February 14, 2020 by ScrappyBauer

[ALifeOfMisery]

2 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Not for me, at least. 20+ lobby and animals vanish into thin air. First load in attempt resulted in an endless loading screen, stuck at 90%. Second attempt set my camp in the Bayou, instead of Great Plains. I've seen 2 white tail deer in total so far and couldn't be bothered to shoot and donate them. 

I'm not exactly struggling for hard drive space, but I do struggle to see the point in downloading updates which deliver marginal gains at best.

 

I appreciate that R* are trying, I do, but this all feels like them paying lip service to the issues. Delivering updates that make little to no difference to make it look as though they are doing more than they actually are.

[Talisman_83]

15 minutes ago, AmyStone said:

So they don't have 25 people at rockstar who can load into their own private lobby and see if camps and animals spawn?

Across the world with varying connection speeds? Probably.

Would they actually do that? Who can say.

Would that actually resolve issues for every single person playing across the world? Possibly not.

You're working with a chosen sample of 25 people. Perhaps they could resolve matters for that private lobby, but that's not to say that that will then blanket resolve spawn issues for millions of people.

 

Again, I'm not professing to be an expert on the matter as I don't work for R* and I'm not a gaming developer, so I could be wrong.

[Nerfgoth]

7 minutes ago, DarksunDaFirst said:

I never had issues with gang hideouts and moonshine events in populated lobbies.  Always just been the animal spawns for me.

Moonshine works on and off for me.... depending on size of lobby

 

Just now, ScrappyBauer said:

I'm afraid of them fixing animals spawns and saying "done we did it" and not fixing random encounters. The game felt so alive with that update now they barely spawn on a full session.

I have giving up on animals and the Trader roll! Making a roll so dependent on one thing work is borked.

Now I just want the random events to spawn.

[Leftover Pizza]

6 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I'm not exactly struggling for hard drive space, but I do struggle to see the point in downloading updates which deliver marginal gains at best.

 

I appreciate that R* are trying, I do, but this all feels like them paying lip service to the issues. Delivering updates that make little to no difference to make it look as though they are doing more than they actually are.

 

All they addressed so far is the wildlife issues, but still neglect the camp spawn issues, shack issues, sale payout issues and endless loading screen issues. The 3GB patches mainly overwrite an already existing 3GB file that should take care of some network related thing which makes animals spawn or not. I appreciate them trying too, but repeated disappointment overshadows the appreciation so far, again. 

[Jason]

The reality is that for these types of on-going online games there will always be broken stuff, always, in every game. Crashes, bugs, little issues here and there, things that are just broken, it's going to always happen and it'll never be any different.

 

So for that reason, I don't get too fussed about RDO still having many issues, cause I can point to every other online service game as an example of games that have the exact same issues. But animal spawns.... They are a fundamental system of the game, major pillars of the game are built on it, it is the one thing above all else that I look at in RDO and find it inexcusable that it's still not fixed. Moonshiner was when it became a serious issue but the problems started around Frontier Update as well, that's almost half a year of one of the games major systems being broken, and we've only now really started to get communication about it. It's not as if they're really openly talking about it either, it's tucked away in there support social media and website.

 

We're also finally only starting to get more frequent patches to attempt to fix issues (what issues we don't really know, as the notes are always vague). They haven't done that outside of the first two weeks of a major content update release since RDO launched, which was about what, 15 months ago now? 

 

Their support of RDO when it comes to fixing issues is just a complete mess at this point. They need to be more open and tackle the important issues in something like a Newswire post where they can actually give us some details about what they're doing about various issues and the expected timeframe for fixes. The Rockstar classic of keeping players in the dark about this stuff is getting real tiresome.

[kcole4001]

In my opinion lack of any substantial communication is the biggest problem.

Tell players what you think are the issues, that you have ideas to fix them, and are trying to implement them without breaking more things or making current issues worse, and say exactly what the problems are and a reasonable overview of the intended fixes.

Do this and the vast majority of people will be satisfied.

And then they'll be patient (well, some will).

But at least we'll know what's going on.

Treating customers like medieval peasants is not good business practice, even gamers will only take so much sh*t before walking away.

 

:

It's cool, we had a record season, thanks, everything's fine, "couldn't be better".

 

Gamers:

 

Look, he found a bird, everything MUST be OK then.

[DentureDynamite]

4 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

I joined a lobby with 19 players, animals were spawning in Great Plains, players count raised up to 25, animals stopped spawning.

I did encounter a gang camp and a moonshine event, I also moved my camp 3 times to check if there were any issues, all of this in a lobby with 25 players

Ah, Rockstar. Continuing to willfully shaft ignore the only proven way to get animals to spawn.

 

Their defiance is an embarrassment even to mules.

Edited February 14, 2020 by DentureDynamite

[ALifeOfMisery]

6 minutes ago, DentureDynamite said:

Ah, Rockstar. Continuing to willfully shaft ignore the only proven way to get animals to spawn.

 

Their defiance is an embarrassment even to mules.

At this point I'm hoping that the rumour of PS+ Premium on PS5, and that it will include the ability to create private servers, is true and will be across all games.

Edited February 14, 2020 by ALifeOfMisery

[kcole4001]

Invite only would be ideal, so at least you can invite people who you know aren't cheating f*ckwads.

[DentureDynamite]

1 hour ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I'm not exactly struggling for hard drive space, but I do struggle to see the point in downloading updates which deliver marginal gains at best.

 

I appreciate that R* are trying, I do, but this all feels like them paying lip service to the issues. Delivering updates that make little to no difference to make it look as though they are doing more than they actually are.

R* badly NEEDS to involve (and most importantly, heed) player input and real-world results from outside of their cozy little development biospheres.

 

It's clear that anything short of that isn't going to work.

Edited February 14, 2020 by DentureDynamite

[Kremita]

I really don’t get all the anger? They are actually TRYING to fix this mess, what more do you want? I hate to brake it to some of you people but this ain’t fix with one patch...

[kcole4001]

3 minutes ago, QAnon said:

I really don’t get all the anger? They are actually TRYING to fix this mess, what more do you want? I hate to brake it to some of you people but this ain’t fix with one patch...

As I posted elsewhere, no communication other than Zelnick saying "things couldn't be better" (yes, those are his actual words regarding the state of R* games and Houser leaving) and R* announcing a record breaking season is simply not good enough.

Something like 'yes, things are broken, we're working on it, it's complicated, please be patient' would go a long way to placating everyone.

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by kcole4001

[DentureDynamite]

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I really don’t get all the anger? They are actually TRYING to fix this mess, what more do you want? I hate to brake it to some of you people but this ain’t fix with one patch...

Rockstar's history and M.O. precede them--even from a game as new as RDO. Old habits die hard, if ever.

 

At the very least, they could lower the max player number to 15 or 20 (IMO preferably 15) per session while they try to fix their borked code.

 

Start with worse-case scenarios. Contact some players known to have Internet issues, and test their new code on those systems first, before using the whole gaming community as unwilling guinea pigs.

 

But they defiantly refuse to do even that.

Edited February 14, 2020 by DentureDynamite

[Leftover Pizza]

9 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

At this point I'm hoping that the rumour of PS+ Premium on PS5, and that it will include the ability to create private servers, is true and will be across all games.

 

At this point I'm actually hoping for all the content being able to be played offline. Store all data on your console/PC and run the game from there like Story Mode+, without interference of Rockstart Services. No reduction of players in a lobby, no private sessions, but no sessions at all. Use the online option if you want to do some PvP or play with friends in an IO session, like the system they use for Diablo III. 

Rockstar can keep pushing updates and patches as they do now, which we can download and install. I'm pretty sure gold sales won't decline much (or at all). 

[ZakeBudek]

So, sounds the same based on my experiences with player counts back in December 2019, so I'm not logging in this week. 2020 no RDO streak continues.

 

Limiting lobbies to 16 players would be a fix I believe. I suggested this in my December ticket to R*, in a "please consider" way, not a smartass "i kno hows to fix ur dum game noobs" way.

 

Because it really seems like they're working the problem from the wrong end. They're trying to add animals/events to lobbies with 24 players. They should be trying to add players to lobbies where animals/events work. Step #1: limit PS4 lobbies to 16, the game works. Then try solutions to add players.

[Chrismads]

Anyone else had issues with rare flowers as well? I can only find Cardinal flowers, the rest of them won't spawn so I can only get them from looting.

 

I do not get why R* can't just limit the sessions to 18 players until they find a fix. People are furious

Edited February 14, 2020 by Chrismads

[Leftover Pizza]

9 minutes ago, QAnon said:

I really don’t get all the anger? They are actually TRYING to fix this mess, what more do you want? I hate to brake it to some of you people but this ain’t fix with one patch...

 

Well, they should have started fixing these issues about 130 days ago, when the problems were gamebreaking for 15 days already. Had they listened to the crowd, had they tested their own game as any other consumer has to, they'd have found there really is a problem a long time ago. 

Acknowledging it exists and mentioning it on their support page some 150 days after they started occurring, is not making players happy campers. Pun intended.

 

Like @Jasonsaid, no game is perfect, but taking this long to come up with these "fixes" and not communicate about it properly, is tiresome. I'd add frustrating and disappointing to that and that's where most anger comes from. 

[DentureDynamite]

^^ Unless there was some legal reason why they couldn't, Rockstar could also quite easily build in a temporary means for players to opt into a "new code" test and reporting system.

 

With player permission, would gather some basic data on your Internet access and (if on PC) hardware.

 

Then adds a hotkey that pops up a window with a few yes/no questions regarding animals spawns and gameplay performance.

Edited February 14, 2020 by DentureDynamite

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, QAnon said:

I really don’t get all the anger? They are actually TRYING to fix this mess, what more do you want? I hate to brake it to some of you people but this ain’t fix with one patch...

The game is long past a year old, all this bollocks should have been sorted during beta, lol.

 

I get what you are saying, and it's true, at least they are trying. But it's not good enough and we give them too much licence to wait this long until it gets so bad as it forgives them all too often when issues show and gives them all the room to be complacent. (GTA:O included of course).

 

These are growing issues that really should have been addressed before adding more content, but we can be sure the deadlines will be met given this last year+ as we know R* will add the new content when it's due, regardless of where these issues are at at the time, compounding issues further and making harder work to fix any.

 

I honestly feel we (in general, not aimed at you/anyone personally) just give them too much room to be this cheap with it all. This game (and GTA:O) really need a community that hasn't been so split so strongly, but alas, R*/T2 were cute there.

 

Anyway, I'm done ragging on something that I strongly feel won't change, lol. Sorry to keep being a Debbie Downer, just this long for so little, so much data for little to nothing is just not good enough and it'd sink lesser companies, lol. I'm done with this farce.

Edited February 14, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Though I know one freeloader sacking this crap off won't upset anyone, lol. I was never welcome to begin with!!! It'll please the suits. :)

[CosmicBuffalo]

So, I just had new bug...loaded in and just looking at work.  I go to start riding...it says go to smithfields saloon and assist with some random player as if I joined his posse.  I checked I am in no posse.  This is a moonshine mission for possibly the grizzlies or heartlands shack.  I never had it for my tall tress shack.  

[crybaby17h16]

 

community: there is a serious issue with the animals spawning in rdo

 

rockstar:

[BUT THE BENZ]

Wanted to hop on just for the condor egg (10 minutes left) but thid unexpected update (almost 2 gb of nothing) got in the way.....great......NOT!

[YNNEL]

I had a few animals appear with the update yesterday but after installing the one today it’s back to zero again. Very frustrating.

[ALifeOfMisery]

2 hours ago, QAnon said:

I really don’t get all the anger? They are actually TRYING to fix this mess, what more do you want? I hate to brake it to some of you people but this ain’t fix with one patch...

There comes a time where trying isn't good enough.

 

It's been over 5 months since Frontier Pursuits released, and so over 5 months since the spawning issues started. It's been over 2 months since Moonshiners released, so over 2 months since animals/random events/hideouts etc. basically went AWOL. 

 

The time for R* to be addressing the issues with these core gameplay elements and trying to fix them was weeks if not months ago. It's results time.

 

That's where the frustration comes from. Some little admission of the problems in vague patch notes and hidden away on the Support website doesn't, and shouldn't, cut R* any slack.

Edited February 14, 2020 by ALifeOfMisery

[RaigeGames]

10 minutes ago, YNNEL said:

I had a few animals appear with the update yesterday but after installing the one today it’s back to zero again. Very frustrating.

Same here. Yesterday I had animals spawning all over the place, as well as hideouts, moonshine events, and rescue missions. I could even change lobbies without having to restart the game. Today, everything is broken again. Good thing I filled up my trader materials bar to the top before logging off last night 

[Talisman_83]

I've noticed a slight improvement in spawns. 

Herons and the odd alligator around Lagras, some deer across Heartlands.

 

Still though, its not what it used to be.

You can't give people an experience for a lengthy period of time where they come to expect a certain level of animal spawns, then completely take it away and replace it with a fraction of what it was.

I can only hope that this is part of a process, as they seem to suggest and spawns improve further over the next week or so

[Classique]

>Be me
>Starting up ma PS4 to play cowboi sim
>A wild 3gb update has appeared!

>oh-sh*t.jpg

>Spends an hour downloading that sh*t

>Hoping animal spawns and random encounters have been fixed
>download complete
>celebrate.gif

>Log on to find no animals, no random encounters, and no switching sessions unless you want to see an infinite loop of slideshow of pictures

>log off

>angery.jpeg

 

:'[ 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Classique

[AUScowboy]

Uninstalling as I type this. Maybe if they actually add some full and decent DLCs I'll be able to justify this insane amount of bloat on my hard drive.