santosvagos Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 The next GTA games could be the last game of the series . MrPhillips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhillips Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Emmi said: Now in retrospect ... is RDR2 R*'s story? Dutch is Benz, Arthur is Dan and John is Sam? Makes perfect sense after todays news. Yes it actually makes sense. Expecially if Dan left cuz illness. H-G and D T 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarimNTerr Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Without underestimating any other R* employee/key person, Dan was the one I liked the most. Looking forward to what he'll be doing next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhillips Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, KarimNTerr said: Without underestimating any other R* employee/key person, Dan was the one I liked the most. Looking forward to what he'll be doing next If it is illness that made him leave, probably nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 Oh goodness, I really hope it isn't illness. That'd be heart-breaking. Though I can understand why he wouldn't want to be public with it, I wish we knew more. Mainline421, Spider-Vice, H-G and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Emmi said: Now in retrospect ... is RDR2 R*'s story? Dutch is Benz, Arthur is Dan and John is Sam? Makes perfect sense after todays news. One could say Strauss is... Strauss. Gummy , Killerman29, Bob Loblaw_ and 6 others 7 2 GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said: One could say Strauss is... Strauss. I just wish they could've thrown him out like Arthur does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D T Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Emmi said: Now in retrospect ... is RDR2 R*'s story? Dutch is Benz, Arthur is Dan and John is Sam? Makes perfect sense after todays news. I reckon Dutch is completely based off Sam. His emails between Leslie about taking over the world are reminiscent of the Tahiti rants. John would definitely have to be Leslie as he left the gang to start s new life. 2 hours ago, Spider-Vice said: Or is he... I hope so. I miss him man. If you're out there give us a sign mate. UltraGizmo64 and ballstorture 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Everyone's talking about RDR2 here but I gotta say GTA V's last line could also be reflective. I tell you one thing T, I'm getting too old for this nonsense. Considering Dan's last interview about how they have no idea how they're gonna approach the next GTA, I personally believe if it's not illness, it's just that they think they no longer have it in them for another GTA. I totally get it though after 20 years. santosvagos, Bob Loblaw_, H-G and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~INDIO~ Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Anyone know what time the Take Two conference call is in the UK tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santosvagos Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: Everyone's talking about RDR2 here but I gotta say GTA V's last line could also be reflective. I tell you one thing T, I'm getting too old for this nonsense. Considering Dan's last interview about how they have no idea how they're gonna approach the next GTA, I personally believe if it's not illness, it's just that they think they no longer have it in them for another GTA. I totally get it though after 20 years. I think the same things happened with COD series but they still came up with a hit last year . With Dan's leaving , there're will be some set backs but they will overcome or if the next GTA is gonna be the last games in the series , they better make the best out of it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) I don't think he's ill but someone on here posted something about him being sick a couple months ago but I cant find it. Edited February 5, 2020 by Zello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANDHEIST Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Left after "extensive break" just like Leslie.. santosvagos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prisoneroo Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 hours ago, santosvagos said: The next GTA games could be the last game of the series . I hope not. santosvagos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
éX-Driver Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, TheSantader25 said: Everyone's talking about RDR2 here but I gotta say GTA V's last line could also be reflective. I tell you one thing T, I'm getting too old for this nonsense. Considering Dan's last interview about how they have no idea how they're gonna approach the next GTA, I personally believe if it's not illness, it's just that they think they no longer have it in them for another GTA. I totally get it though after 20 years. A few years back Sam and/or Dan [don’t remember if it was both or just one] claimed to have enough GTA story ideas to last a few decades. Assuming they release a GTA every 6-7 years, that’s at least four games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbatron Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 19 hours ago, éX-Driver said: The point I was making was the ‘force out’ was a planned scheme between the brothers Houser and Benzies. Have him leave, but announce it as him being forced out. Have him launch a frivolous lawsuit with small-time lawyers to make it seem believable. Then Dan leaves. Then Sam leaves. They join forces, and nobody asks questions. All to cut TakeTwo out of it without any legal issues. i don’t know, just pissing in the wind It’s not completely implausible. It would effectively be the trick the Top Gear Trio looked to have pulled to get out of their BBC contracts and earn far more with Amazon. Clarkson punches a chef, who is conveniently highly compensated, he has to leave, Hammond and May rightly say there’s no point in carrying on without him and leave shortly after... But... This is a much grander scale with GTA. Benzies in particularly would be missing out on a massive wedge from GTA V by being the first jumper-pretending-to-be-pushed. Would they really have had to wait another 6 years if that’s been the plan for the next one to go? There would have been a motive for them to hatch such a plot when seeing the first release of sales in 2013, but I’d generally avoid believing plausible theories a lot of us would like to be true when there isn’t any actually evidence to support them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, éX-Driver said: A few years back Sam and/or Dan [don’t remember if it was both or just one] claimed to have enough GTA story ideas to last a few decades. Assuming they release a GTA every 6-7 years, that’s at least four games. That was Leslie Benzies. And that really didn't go well did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFranchise Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Update from Polygon: Sam Houser isn't leaving and his role remains "unchanged" per Rockstar. I wonder is Dan is retiring then. If it was a beef with T2, I feel like Both Houser's would of left. https://www.polygon.com/2020/2/4/21123170/dan-houser-departs-rockstar-games-red-dead-gta Edited February 5, 2020 by TheFranchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfamster Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 He's tired of the job,hers is my speculation: RDR2's story is not so innovative .feels more like a cold manufactured product rather than a art filled with author's love and heart. some part is acturally copy from previous R's games. :because he did feel the atmosphere isn't right,I can understand him,it need freedom and space to creat art,but the gaming industry don't supply these. when idea runs out,the artist wears out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 44 minutes ago, TheFranchise said: I wonder is Dan is retiring then. If it was a beef with T2, I feel like Both Houser's would of left. Depends, Sam has a higher-end role at the company, he might want to see out GTA VI's release before joining his brother in leaving. 36 minutes ago, skyfamster said: RDR2's story is not so innovative .feels more like a cold manufactured product rather than a art filled with author's love and heart. Wow... speak for yourself man. RDR2's story kicks GTA V and some other Rockstar games into a curb. I'd say it's their newest magnum opus. Xerukal, AUScowboy, H-G and 3 others 5 1 GTANet | Red Dead Network | black lives matter | stop Asian hate | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerukal Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Yeah... I don't agree with that sentiment at all. RDR2 was quite possibly the best game Dan could've ended his career at Rockstar on. So there's that, at least. We'll have to see what GTA VI holds though, and just how much he participated. Edited February 5, 2020 by Xerukal Jabalous, Peckinpah, AUScowboy and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfamster Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 ^ the beautiful visural and game world confused you.bully and gta4 has much inspiring story wrting and performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStarr31 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Emmi said: Now in retrospect ... is RDR2 R*'s story? Dutch is Benz, Arthur is Dan and John is Sam? Makes perfect sense after todays news. Yea... I think Benz is John and Sam is Dutch Dan seen his brother slowly ruining the gang and hated seeing what it was doing to Benz and his efforts... So he conspired to "drive" him out to give Benz a better life/opportunity... Now this is his exit... Knowing Benz is safe he'll take the final fight with Sam and whoever has been playing Micah in his ear We really need to find out whos been being a Micah in the company.. He ruined R* Edited February 5, 2020 by JStarr31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainline421 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Legion of Hell said: After Benzie left, R* start to ignore SP, canceled the long promised Story DLC, turned GTAOnline into a mess (which reaches it's final point with RDO being a disguised mobile game) After Dan left, I fear R* games no longer have a compelling story and writing like they used to, not to mention their 45 years worth of idea will be gone I don't know why that version of events is still being pushed by some. Benzies openly takes credit for GTA Online and even accused Sam of not having played GTA Online until well after release! If anyone has quit because of Online taking over R* it's Dan, it's of note he didn't write any of the new heists etc. in GTAO, and the whole direction of the game with flying cars and other such things is very contrary to the theme of the series as a whole. That said I do not think this is why DH quit, we may never find out the true reasons behind his departure but if we do it likely won't be any time soon. The other interesting question is how much influnece he has already had on GTAVI. They've probably decided the setting/themes and ideas for some missions but I suspect the dialogue and finer plot points probably have yet to be written, wouldn't trust whatever T2 say about this but it will be interesting to see how he's credited. On the bright side there's still Garbut and Sam, plus Lazlow doing the radio, so hopefully R* can still deliver a proper new SP GTA. Edited February 5, 2020 by Mainline421 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
éX-Driver Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mainline421 said: I don't know why that version of events is still being pushed by some. Benzies openly takes credit for GTA Online and even accused Sam of not having played GTA Online until well after release! If anyone has quit because of Online taking over R* it's Dan, it's of note he didn't write any of the new heists etc. in GTAO, and the whole direction of the game with flying cars and other such things is very contrary to the theme of the series as a whole. That said I do not think this is why DH quit, we may never find out the true reasons behind his departure but if we do it likely won't be any time soon. The other interesting question is how much influnece he has already had on GTAVI. They've probably decided the setting/themes and ideas for some missions but I suspect the dialogue and finer plot points probably have yet to be written, wouldn't trust whatever T2 say about this but it will be interesting to see how he's credited. On the bright side there's still Garbut and Sam, plus Lazlow doing the radio, so hopefully R* can still deliver a proper new SP GTA. GTA 6 is well in development, I assure you. Rockstar generally starts writing on and working on the next GTA game before they even launched the current one. GTA 5 first started storyboarding in 2007 if I recall. They have almost certainly been working on GTA 6 for 5 years at this point. That’s probably why they had to bring in so many of their other studios to assist with Redemption 2; effectively developing two mainline Rockstar titles at the same time. H-G, ballstorture and Spider-Vice 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUT THE BENZ Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I hope OLIVER STONE is on the case, would love to see him turn this whole thing into a movie, a documentary thriller. you know stone is great at it (JFK). facts mixed with a bit of thorro interpretation of the unknown 7 hours ago, GRANDHEIST said: Left after "extensive break" just like Leslie.. what are the odds, right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Rosenthal Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, skyfamster said: He's tired of the job,hers is my speculation: RDR2's story is not so innovative .feels more like a cold manufactured product rather than a art filled with author's love and heart. some part is acturally copy from previous R's games. :because he did feel the atmosphere isn't right,I can understand him,it need freedom and space to creat art,but the gaming industry don't supply these. when idea runs out,the artist wears out First of all, RDR2 is a stellar game and a grand achievement. Second, if there’s anyone in the game industry who hasn’t had to conform, and who’s had a huge amount of artistic freedom, not to mention incredible tools (game engine and overall professional staff) to realize those creative dreams, it’s Dan Houser. Of course I could be wrong about this, but c’mon. The man loves writing stories and games as a creative medium, you can quote him on that from multiple interviews. What better place to do that than at the very studio he co-founded? Movies/TV-series? I mean, why? He’d have a lot more freedom at R*, not to mention the experience. This doesn’t make sense at all to me. Either there’s a huge falling out with T2, but that doesn’t explain Sam staying. Conspiracy theories about starting a new studio? Who knows? But all the IP’s they’ve created along with the technology is (I guess?) owned by R* Games, so what’ll they build with? Unity? Jokes aside, I’d really like to know what’s going on, and I really hope it’s not because of health issues (and if it is, that they’re not very serious). Maybe he’s just going to the Himalayas to burn stacks of dollar bills and smoke kush. Edited February 6, 2020 by Dr.Rosenthal ballstorture, H-G and Peckinpah 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMcLoviin Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/5/2020 at 12:56 AM, MrPhillips said: Rockstar is and always will be these peoples: Sam Houser Dan Houser Leslie Benzies Aaron Garbut Adam Fowler Rupert Humphries If they all leave, there is no more Rockstar. Don’t forget Imran Sarwar Emmi, Azaan60, H-G and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) Those were the days... Edited February 6, 2020 by Jabalous Xerukal, Alexander Pierce, H-G and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Jabalous said: Those were the days... Some would argue these were WanteD1, H-G, TheWhiteHat and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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