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Mysterious hero

Timeline of Arthur's relationship with Eliza and Isaac

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Mysterious hero

I've had this timeline for a while now. But before I show it, let's look at some dialogue from the game:

 

You know, I had a son once.... years ago.

This immediately puts Isaac's date of death, at minimum, in 1897.

This reminds me.... I taught another boy to fish once. A long time ago.

This means that Isaac couldn't have been an infant when he died, he was old enough to have gone fishing. We can assume he was roughly the same age as Jack when he died, as Arthur is directly comparing the two.

No, this long before I met Lenny. Long before you was even born.

Here, Jack is asking if that "other boy" he's referring to is Lenny. Arthur says that it isn't and that this was before Jack was born. This puts Isaac's date of birth quite a while before 1895, as Isaac would've have to been old enough to fish by at least 1894.

Eliza, a waitress I knew. When she got pregnant.....  she knew who I was, what my life was.

"She knew who I was" implies that Eliza knew who Arthur was. This suggests that this was after the robbery of 1887, which made Arthur, Hosea, and Dutch wanted criminals (This is backed up by some dialogue in "The New South").

I didn't want to promise something I couldn't keep, but, I said i'll do right by them. Every few months I'd stop by there for a few days.

This suggests that this was during an era where the Van der Linde gang didn't have to move around as much, as they had less people and no law chasing after them. I think late 1880s, or early 1890s is a safe bet.

He was such a good kid. She was to, I guess, just a kid, nineteen.

People take this as Arthur meeting Eliza when she was nineteen. I doubt that. When Arthur talks about Isaac being a good kid, he states Eliza was also a good kid, which suggests he's talking in the same timeframe. The fact that Arthur even calls her a kid suggest that there's a big age gap between them. 

 

With all that, here's the timeline I created:

Early 1887 - A 24 year old Arthur and 16 year old Eliza meet and have a one night stand.

April 15th, 1887 - Dutch, Hosea, and Arthur rob their first bank.

Post bank robbery, 1887 - Arthur and Eliza meet again and she reveals that he got her pregnant. She recognizes Arthur and that she knows what kind of man he is. Arthur says that while he won't promise anything, he'll do right by her and her child. Isaac is born later that year.

1890 - Arthur teaches a 3 year old Isaac to fish. Later that year, Isaac and Eliza are murdered by bandits.

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Lemoyne outlaw

that is very good. you did some good research on that. im also wondering though where does arthurs relationship with mary come in? because they were together for years. what do you think?

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Mysterious hero
1 hour ago, Lemoyne outlaw said:

That is very good. you did some good research on that. I'm also wondering though where does Arthur's relationship with Mary come in? Because they were together for years. What do you think?

I would presume somewhere around Arthur's late teens/early twenties, so about early/mid 1880's.

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The Wolf Man
On 2/1/2020 at 11:31 PM, Mysterious hero said:

I would presume somewhere around Arthur's late teens/early twenties, so about early/mid 1880's.

Arthur dated Mary before he joined Dutch?

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Mysterious hero
1 hour ago, The Wolf Man said:

Arthur dated Mary before he joined Dutch?

Maybe? Arthur joined Dutch and Hosea at the age of 14. He was born in 1863, so around 1877. I assume his relationship with Mary was a little later on.

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The Wolf Man
7 minutes ago, Mysterious hero said:

Maybe? Arthur joined Dutch and Hosea at the age of 14. He was born in 1863, so around 1877. I assume his relationship with Mary was a little later on.

Yes. Probably later on. She had contact with some of the gang members (Anabelle).

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Dudu RDRII

Kinda strange this video being uploaded so close to the creation of this topic... 

 

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Mysterious hero
2 hours ago, Dudu RDRII said:

Kinda strange this video being uploaded so close to the creation of this topic... 

 

Wow. Mr. Boss is really scraping the bottom of the barrel if he has to plagiarize. He didn't even credit me or mention that his information came from GTAForums.

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UpTheDowngrade
55 minutes ago, Mysterious hero said:

Wow. Mr. Boss is really scraping the bottom of the barrel if he has to plagiarize. He didn't even credit me or mention that his information came from GTAForums.

He linked to this thread in the video description

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Mysterious hero
1 minute ago, UpTheDowngrade said:

He linked to this thread in the video description

Yes, your correct. Still, it's not like people are going to check the description anyway.

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UpTheDowngrade
15 minutes ago, Mysterious hero said:

Yes, your correct. Still, it's not like people are going to check the description anyway.

Of course not. It is a sneaky move.

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Dudu RDRII
5 hours ago, UpTheDowngrade said:

Of course not. It is a sneaky move.

I also caught him lying one of these days, he made a video about Guido Martelli's character model not being used in game, when you can cleary see him next to Angelo Bronte during the mission "The Gilded Cage".

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Dan_1983
On 2/3/2020 at 8:23 PM, Dudu RDRII said:

Kinda strange this video being uploaded so close to the creation of this topic... 

 

Mr. Clickbait at it again lol.

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Spadge
On 2/3/2020 at 9:23 PM, Dudu RDRII said:

Kinda strange this video being uploaded so close to the creation of this topic... 

 

 

 Where does this pencil-neck manlet live anyway? I've about had it. I've seen what he looks like, if he's anywhere close to the LA/California aera I'll go up there with a buddy of mine and we'll do to him what Trevor & Micheal did to Lazlow.

 

"Now, I want you to dance sexy, celebrité ..."

 

 

Seriously, watch that clip again, don't tell me that out of all the GTA characters, MrBallSackForTheChin doesn't remind you of HD era Lazlow, I'd go as far as saying that, subconsciously, that little whimp spawned from that character:

 

"Have you seen my show? It's not live, it's not funny. That's my genius, I got no f*cking talent". Yeah, I'd say that sums it up.

 

So anyway, who wants to go to California with me, find that little bitch, force him to take his pants off and film him while he's sh*tscared, awkwardly shaking his skinny ass in the LA River? (DM me).

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For the ladies with the brightly dyed hair in the audience, I'm joking ok, chill.

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Mysterious hero

I'd rather we focus on the original topic at hand, rather than on MrBossFTW. 

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Oldsport

whered you get the age from? fbi might want to speak to mr morgan

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Mysterious hero
42 minutes ago, Oldsport said:

Where'd you get the age from? FBI might want to speak to Mr Morgan

"He was such a good kid. She was to, I guess, just a kid, nineteen".

 

Essentially, that dialogue could be taken in two ways. Either Eliza was 19 when she met Arthur or Eliza was 19 when she died. In my opinion, she was 19 when she died, since Arthur refers to her as a kid, implying a big age gap between them. If they started their relationship around 1887 (after the bank robbery that made Arthur, Hosea, and Dutch have a price on their heads), estimating Isaac was roughly the same age as Jack (about 3 or 4) and assuming Eliza died when she was 19, then she would have to be 16 when her and Arthur started their relationship. 

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