ATTENTION PC PLAYERS, Modders can now drain your money!

[DentureDynamite]

^^ Yeah, it's just a matter of time before they hook into more powerful stuff in-game.

 

Wouldn't mind if I stumbled onto a usable hot air balloon though--they do have that option in their menus.

Edited January 2, 2020 by DentureDynamite

[boomboom5950]

9 minutes ago, DentureDynamite said:

^^ Yeah, it's just a matter of time before they hook into more powerful stuff in-game.

 

Wouldn't mind if I stumbled onto a usable hot air balloon though--they do have that option in their menus.

and be falsely accused of modding... i would avoid

[FuturePastNow]

27 minutes ago, Zerdical said:

and be falsely accused of modding... i would avoid

no one at Rockstar is reading those reports

[NChabb]

Fallout 76 at least offered private servers (for a monthly fee indeed) so I could at least  play safely there while things got fixed. As it stands for RDO, there is nowhere to ‘hide’, the risk is permanent.

 

It sucks. I was looking forward coming back from the Holidays and jumping back into the game again but it seems I’ll have to find something else in the meantime.

[boomboom5950]

17 minutes ago, NChabb said:

Fallout 76 at least offered private servers (for a monthly fee indeed) so I could at least  play safely there while things got fixed. As it stands for RDO, there is nowhere to ‘hide’, the risk is permanent.

 

It sucks. I was looking forward coming back from the Holidays and jumping back into the game again but it seems I’ll have to find something else in the meantime.

please don't tell me you bought the membership... 

[CosmicBuffalo]

What if R* instead of actually banning people for using mod menus or creating a network which menus are impossible to use..they just started suing everyone who uses a menu online?  I say this because T2 sued a guy for trying to port RDR to PC recently and it seems to coordinate with their pc release.

[ALifeOfMisery]

17 minutes ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

What if R* instead of actually banning people for using mod menus or creating a network which menus are impossible to use..they just started suing everyone who uses a menu online?  I say this because T2 sued a guy for trying to port RDR to PC recently and it seems to coordinate with their pc release.

The methods T2 used against that person and their family were shady as f*ck.

 

As much as I despise mod menu users, I despise the litigiousness of US civil law even more. T2 shouldn't be suing kids for cheating at or modding or porting video games. Go after the distributor and/or beneficiary of paid for malicious menus, absolutely.

 

After the absolute sh*tshow of GTAO on PC RDO should have been designed for, and run on, dedicated servers. There's no excuse for the sh*tty P2P. However, having made the terrible decision to stick with P2P, R* should have gotten their sh*t together double quick and made sure that their anti cheat was immeasurably better in RDO than it was in GTAO. 

 

They haven't, and so here we are, again.

[NChabb]

1 hour ago, Zerdical said:

please don't tell me you bought the membership... 

And don’t guilt others? What they do with their money is their business, not yours nor anyone’s. I shouldn’t have to defend or justify my personal choices. It comes across as petty.

 

That being said, buying a 1-month subscription in December granted me:

 

- Two permanent outfits with a color variant and a helm for each

- Two permanent emotes

- A fair amount of atoms

 

For barely more money than an atom bundle like those that were released this Summer. Money I can freely use for whatever I want. On top of that, it indirectly gave me security during the famous hacks and allowed me to farm freely during the Christmas event.

 

Yes, Fallout76 is a broken game and yes, Fallout 1st as a whole is discussable, but it’s also a game I play and enjoyed despite its flaws. Not everything is so black and white. Beside, no amount of pouting, virtue signaling or outrage will change how the industry and the games opperate. We stopped having that power a long time ago. Case on point: The subscription still exist despite the strong complaints in October. :shrug:

 

It’s the same thing here. RDO is a bit messy, and yes the hackers/modders are being an issue. I’m not surprised by this. How Rockstar handled the security of their game is worth blaming for. But I won’t have restless nights if in the future I don’t feel like grinding a few gold bars and use the extra money I have for it instead. It won’t mean to me I encourage anything or agree with how things are handled. It will just means I didn’t feel like grinding my gold.

 

Sometime, people just want stuff without having to do gymnastics about the repercussions or any logics behind their purchase.

Edited January 2, 2020 by NChabb

[*Lola]

9 hours ago, BUT THE BENZ said:

Benzless factor etc...

He was around for RDR 1 and we all know what modders did to that game.

[boomboom5950]

14 minutes ago, NChabb said:

And don’t guilt others? What they do with their money is their business, not yours nor anyone’s. I shouldn’t have to defend or justify my personal choices. It comes across as petty.

 

That being said, buying a 1-month subscription in December granted me:

 

- Two permanent outfits with a color variant and a helm for each

- Two permanent emotes

- A fair amount of atoms

 

For barely more money than an atom bundle like those that were released this Summer. Money I can freely use for whatever I want. On top of that, it indirectly gave me security during the famous hacks and allowed me to farm freely during the Christmas event.

 

Yes, Fallout76 is a broken game and yes, Fallout 1st as a whole is discussable, but it’s also a game I play and enjoyed despite its flaws. Not everything is so black and white. Beside, no amount of pouting, virtue signaling or outrage will change how the industry and the games opperate. We stopped having that power a long time ago. Case on point: The subscription still exist despite the strong complaints in October. :shrug:

 

It’s the same thing here. RDO is a bit messy, and yes the hackers/modders are being an issue. I’m not surprised by this. How Rockstar handled the security of their game is worth blaming for. But I won’t have restless nights if in the future I don’t feel like grinding a few gold bars and use the extra money I have for it instead. It won’t mean to me I encourage anything or agree with how things are handled. It will just means I didn’t feel like grinding my gold.

 

Sometime, people just want stuff without having to do gymnastics about the repercussions or any logics behind their purchase.

well by doing that you are part of the problem. if you don't want to play a game don't play it, you are contributing to developers who give no sh*ts about their game only to design their game around making as much money as possible from people like you. if you don't want to play the game to get the stuff legit, don't play it at all. if you just buy everything with real money the game becomes boring

[NChabb]

11 minutes ago, Zerdical said:

well by doing that you are part of the problem. if you don't want to play a game don't play it, you are contributing to developers who give no sh*ts about their game only to design their game around making as much money as possible from people like you. if you don't want to play the game to get the stuff legit, don't play it at all. if you just buy everything with real money the game becomes boring

What problem? Where did I say I didn’t want to play a game? Why is everything so black and white? Why are you being a fatalist? Just because I’m not in the mood or don’t have the time one week or one day doesn’t mean I don’t want to play the game, nor that the credit card is always the solution. 

 

And nowhere I said I bought ‘everything with money’, that’s quite the baseless hyperbole. The industry is what it is and I’m gone past the point of expecting it to change.

 

Let me ask you this. Did you stop buying anything made in China to stop encouraging bad working conditions and industry abuses in Asia? Do you stop using plastic bags? Do you think about the consequences of everything you purchase? From the bag of chips to the chocolate bar? When you need something, a product, or something superficial, do you think twice about where your money will go and what’s going to happen? I’m pretty sure that you don’t. Sometime, you just want something and you go for the easiest and fastest option to be done with it for whatever legitimate reasons. You’re encouraging an world of consommation daily and you don’t bat an eyes about it.

 

So don’t start guilting others or trying to virtue signal them on how they should manage their purchases. Clean your own carpet first. 

Edited January 2, 2020 by NChabb

[boomboom5950]

Just now, NChabb said:

What is this mess of a reply lol? What problem? Where did I say I didn’t want to play a game? Why is everything so black and white? Why are you being a fatalist? Just because I’m not in the mood or don’t have the time one week  or one day doesn’t mean I don’t want to play the game. 

 

And nowhere I said I bought ‘everything with money’, that’s quite the hyperbole.

 

Let me ask you this. Did you stop buying anything made in China to stop encouraging bad working conditions and industry abuses in Asia? Do you stop using plastic bags? Do you think about the consequences of everything you purchase? From the bag of chips to the chocolate bar? When you need something, a product, or something superficial, do you think twice about where your money will go and what’s going to happen? I’m pretty sure that you don’t. Sometime, you just want something and you go for the easiest and fastest option to be done with it for whatever legitimate reasons. You’re encouraging an world of consommation daily and you don’t bat an eyes about it.

 

So don’t start guilting others or trying to virtue signal them on how they should manage their purchases. Clean your own carpet first.

my point is whats the point in playing if you just throw money at the game in exchange for about 1 hour of fun playing around with the new content and go back to never touching the game 

[gtmike]

19 minutes ago, NChabb said:

And don’t guilt others? What they do with their money is their business, not yours nor anyone’s. I shouldn’t have to defend or justify my personal choices. It comes across as petty.

 

Yes, Fallout76 is a broken game and yes, Fallout 1st as a whole is discussable, but it’s also a game I play and enjoyed despite its flaws. Not everything is so black and white. Beside, no amount of pouting, virtue signaling or outrage will change how the industry and the games opperate. We stopped having that power a long time ago. Case on point: The subscription still exist despite the strong complaints in October. :shrug:

The reason companies get away with, and continue this behavior is people like you continuing to hand them money for releasing garbage. And people on a gaming forum have every right to be critical of that choice. Rewarding a company for giving you a broken product? That's just sad.

 

On topic: RDO was always going to be this way on PC, full of modders, but everyone still handed their money over didn't they? So, you get what you get

 

Hopefully private servers on RedM can save this game on PC. That's the only reason I'd even remotely consider handing Rockstar another dime for RDR2...

[NChabb]

16 minutes ago, Zerdical said:

my point is whats the point in playing if you just throw money at the game in exchange for about 1 hour of fun playing around with the new content and go back to never touching the game 

Except that's not what I do and I never hinted at doing. The outlaw pass 2 on PC was bought with gold I got entirely by playing the game and this happened because I was informed enough to know gold would be required in the next update after the initial PC launch. In other circumstances I could have been locked out of the new content since the Moonshire is not only locked behind 25 gold bar, but also either require 5 extra gold bars or 10 if you haven't bought the trader role yet. I could have skipped the hassle of delaying my access to new content and being restricted to repeat dailies at 0.4 gold the objective for an extra month just so I can try the new toys.

 

That's all I'm saying. I usually play the game and work my way through, but sometime I don't. Because life. Because I'm not a fatalist that think in only two ways.

 

16 minutes ago, gtmike said:

The reason companies get away with, and continue this behavior is people like you continuing to hand them money for releasing garbage. And people on a gaming forum have every right to be critical of that choice. Rewarding a company for giving you a broken product? That's just sad.

1. Garbage is a relative term. It's as if people had different tastes! The horror! I don't consider RDR2 PC to be a garbage release but that's me.

 

2. People have the right to be critical just as much as I can point out the hypocrisy and double standards: how many products that were made and built in factories with horrible working conditions do you own? How many plastic bags or garbages you once threw to the ground either by accident or because you were careless? Do you really contribute to the well-being of the world by discouraging the industry of consommation and abuses? The mobile industry is releasing phones that break on purpose after 2 years to force people to purchase new models and feed the cycle yet I'm sure you own a smartphone regardless. Yet that someone, somewhere in the world, pay 12.00$ for a MTX he's interested in is enough to be worth paying attention for and criticize. Yeah, right.

 

Sometime we just gotta deal with what we have. Sometime we just want something without giving ourselves headaches about the consequences. Fallout76 and RDR2 PC are both extremely messy games, but they also have qualities and provided me with hours of funs and entertainment all at once. I'm fine with that. If I stopped breathing for every issues video game offered, I would be long dead.

 

RDR2: Online just needs to provide private servers until important mods and hacks are dealt with, which will likely happens if GTA:O is any reference. They won't ever find a way to permanently stop griefing or mods that break our experience, but at least our money will be safe.

Edited January 2, 2020 by NChabb

[gtmike]

1 minute ago, NChabb said:

1. Garbage is a relative term. It's as if people had different tastes! The horror!

 

2. People have the right to be critical just as much as I can point out the hypocrisy and double standards: how many products that were made and built in factories with horrible working conditions do you own? How many plastic bags or garbages you once threw to the ground either by accident or because you were careless? Do you really contribute to the well-being of the world by discouraging the industry of consommation and abuses? The mobile industry is releasing phones that break on purpose after 2 years to force people to purchase new models and feed the cycle yet I'm sure you own a smartphone regardless.

 

Sometime we just gotta deal with what we have. Fallout76 and RDR2 PC are both extremely messy games, but they also have qualities and provided me with hours of funs and entertainment.

That Fallout game is objectively garbage, you even pretty much agreed in your original post I quoted.

 

Yes, but you're the one telling others what they can and can't comment on, or at least insinuating that they shouldn't.

 

You can ramble on with silly conspiracy theories all you want, but I really don't care, and it won't change my opinion that anyone who gave Bethesda money for that pass is a punk. Same if you buy gold bars, then come here and whine about RDO.

[NChabb]

13 minutes ago, gtmike said:

That Fallout game is objectively garbage, you even pretty much agreed in your original post I quoted.

 

Yes, but you're the one telling others what they can and can't comment on, or at least insinuating that they shouldn't.

 

You can ramble on with silly conspiracy theories all you want, but I really don't care, and it won't change my opinion that anyone who gave Bethesda money for that pass is a punk. Same if you buy gold bars, then come here and whine about RDO.

lol nowhere did I 'pretty much agreed', I acknowledged that something broken (and I repeat, BROKEN, not garbage) also provided me hours of fun. Because I don't have an all-or-nothing thinking. Because I can appreciate something in spite of its flaws and the other way around too. I can recognize the goods that are done just as much as I notice the bad. It's healthier and give me way less hassle and headaches generally. 

 

Guilting others (especially strangers) about purchases is petty. I stand by this. The tone I was originally replied to, with this sense of 'disbelief', is tiresome, and in every gaming forums I go it's always a repeated pattern. People guilt others about purchases. Every damn time. It's hypocrite at best, because everyone on this forum is guilty of doing something similar in their life, either in video games or with everyday life needs. So I don't come here to be lectured by randoms on what's good and bad. Nobody is really in position to lecture others, call them 'punks' or be told that what they do is sad. It's immature. That wasn't the point of this thread at all, nor why I originally referenced FO76. My credit card usage is not that frequent, it's actually quite low despite everything, yet for some reasons both you and that other user assumed it was like a daily practice just because I said it happened sometime.

 

And you're free to be lower yourself with your name calling all you want, it won't change what I think and what I do. So we can all agree to disagree and move on from this pointless argument.

Edited January 2, 2020 by NChabb

[gtmike]

4 minutes ago, NChabb said:

lol nowhere did I 'pretty much agreed', I acknowledged that something broken (and I repeat, BROKEN, not garbage) also provided me hours of fun. Because I don't have an all-or-nothing thinking. Because I can appreciate something in spite of its flaws and the other way around too. I can recognize the goods that are done just as much as I notice the bad. It's healthier and give me way less hassle and headaches generally. 

 

Guilting others (especially strangers) about purchases is petty. I stand by this. The tone I was originally replied to, with this sense of 'disbelief', is tiresome, and in every gaming forums I go it's always a repeated pattern. People guilt others about purchases. Every damn time. It's hypocrite at best, because everyone on this forum is guilty of doing something similar in their life, either in video games or with everyday life needs. So I don't come here to be lectured by randoms on what's good and bad. Nobody is really in position to lecture others, call them 'punks' or be told that what they do is sad. It's immature. That wasn't the point of this thread at all, nor why I originally referenced FO76. My credit card usage is not that frequent, it's actually quite low despite everything, yet for some reasons both you and that other user assumed it was like a daily practice just because I said it happened sometime.

 

And you're free to be lower yourself with your name calling all you want, it won't change what I think and what I do. So we can all agree to disagree and move on from this pointless argument.

You're the only one lecturing here buddy, we're just stating our opinions on a subject that you brought up. By all means, feel free to drop it anytime.

[NChabb]

6 minutes ago, gtmike said:

You're the only one lecturing here buddy, we’re just stating our opinions

Just stating your opinion by calling me punk, telling me that what I do is sad or by using hyperboles or implying I don’t want to play the game...

 

That was really fun!

[gtmike]

1 minute ago, NChabb said:

Just stating your opinion by calling me punk, telling me that what I do is sad or by using hyperboles or implying I don’t want to play the game...

 

That was really fun!

I meant every word.

[NChabb]

1 minute ago, gtmike said:

I meant every word.

So did I when I called this immature. It goes both way.

[Menstrual Deranged]

The last two nights in a row I've had the modder experience of getting spawned on top of everyone else in the lobby, usually up in the snowy region, and then blown up again and again.

 

The only thing more frustrating to me than the modder is the anger toward the modder. Tonight, a couple guys started yelling at the idiot, calling him all sorts of names, telling him what a coward he was, etc etc. While they were correct, there is no point in saying anything or displaying any kind of reaction to these morons. It's what they want. That's what they crave, it's what they're there to do.

 

It's easier just to hurry up and report them (if it's even obvious who is doing it), and then simply join a new session. These weirdos are like small children nursing at the breast discovering that you will put on a show if they chomp down on your nipple with their newly-erupted teeth. No matter how much you're sweating it, you can't show them. They are mental midgets. They are children and should be treated as such.

[Oliver Tressillian]

Now this is the part where a US Lawyer should get involved to start a class action suit against Rock Star for the current problems on the PC format.

 

That said I have not seen any game with this much going for it, if only the online problems can be fixed, as it could not only be one of the legendary games out there but the top of the list.

 

Rock Star please listen and fix yer online part of the game, as this franchise can be added to, i.e. more territory to expand the map, missions, interaction with objects and so on.

 

The story part is cool, but all have been waiting for the online option to be able to enjoy such a good game with friends, which is currently been ruined by hackers.

 

Now if i'm not mistaken me buying the game and playing in in the online mode makes me a customer / client, is this company so arrogant that it does not take note of the things their customers have problems with?

 

Some thing to remember no matter what kind if games people like to play, everybody wants to be a cowboy and its this that is the golden goose via the PC format and online game play.

 

Anti cheat is a given if you are a company that produces something like RED Dead on PC, it should be standard practice.

 

Also the game does not provide a element of loss, i.e. when you die you can re-spawn immediately and almost right there where you died, with no consequences.

 

If yer in the open world and yer just there to screw around everybody else like killing all AI's in a town an "Sheriff" and posse should be able to hunt you down with "god" like abilities and kill you out right, as this is something that can be detected via programming check and balances.

 

and please don't say it cannot be done, as you have already done more than most other companies have with what you have created. You have the talent who helped you to create this game please use them.

[Shimazu_X]

I've noticed most if not all of them are from Russia/China after viewing their social club profiles. I know it wont fix the issue for any honest players of those countries but I wish the matchmaking were a bit stricter in terms of putting me with people closer to my geographic location.

 

When I look at players in my lobby at any given time half of them seem to be from those countries. I normally don't have an issue with that but after being killed by magical explosives with no visible animation and getting a "You blew up" death screen like 6 times last night, I'm just frankly ******* sick of it. Not to mention they spoof a player so you can't even be sure the guy it says killed you (if you are even lucky enough to see that) is the right person. I was sitting in Valentine a few days ago as a modder was spawning in bears and killing people, the game was saying it was the guy sitting next to me who was afk on his horse getting high hostility. The modder blows him up and while hes dead the poor guy was still being listed as murdering everyone before he had a chance to respawn.

 

Anyway, if you report someone try and make sure its the right person. It's easier said than done.

 

Private lobbies would also be nice but I doubt that will happen.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Shimazu_X

[The Blast]

On 1/2/2020 at 1:55 PM, CosmicBuffalo said:

What if R* instead of actually banning people for using mod menus or creating a network which menus are impossible to use..they just started suing everyone who uses a menu online?  I say this because T2 sued a guy for trying to port RDR to PC recently and it seems to coordinate with their pc release.

Every time I read someone attack Rockstar rather than the degenerate modders who ruin everything for everyone, I think exactly like this.

The companies making the games need to pursue the individuals who mod and drop the gavel on them as hard as possible to send a message. Rockstar (TakeTwo/whatever) has the money to do it and they should.

They owe it to the community to prosecute people who violate the terms of service to the fullest extent of the law.

[FuturePastNow]

Found out tonight that being at your camp with the flag raised protects you from being teleported and killed by the modders. Which means R* is perfectly capable of giving us a defensive mode that actually defends, they've chosen not to.

 

Edit: not anymore lol, whatever new menu is out today can do it

Edited January 9, 2020 by FuturePastNow

[Tha-Jamz]

12 hours ago, The Blast said:

Every time I read someone attack Rockstar rather than the degenerate modders who ruin everything for everyone, I think exactly like this.

The companies making the games need to pursue the individuals who mod and drop the gavel on them as hard as possible to send a message. Rockstar (TakeTwo/whatever) has the money to do it and they should.

They owe it to the community to prosecute people who violate the terms of service to the fullest extent of the law.

 

I agree with you but..., you said the magic word "MONEY" and thats all they care about nowadays, we are living in a time of un-ethical capitalism, every big company has got only 1 thing on their mind, profit maximization <-- !

 

Also they get away with anything, pay some fine or penalty when they've stept over the line (laws) thats not even hurting them but was already calculated in and go on about their business.

Only thing we can do is vote with our wallets but the majority keeps buying their products anyways.

 

And they know it...

Thats also why they can threat their employees as slaves, just look at this example: https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/25/rockstar-red-dead-redemption-crunch/

 

Shareholders are the biggest poison imho, greedy and merciless.

[4eyedcoupe]

I thought everyone loved everyone in Canada......

[StyxTx]

On 1/2/2020 at 6:39 PM, Menstrual Deranged said:

The last two nights in a row I've had the modder experience of getting spawned on top of everyone else in the lobby, usually up in the snowy region, and then blown up again and again.

 

The only thing more frustrating to me than the modder is the anger toward the modder. Tonight, a couple guys started yelling at the idiot, calling him all sorts of names, telling him what a coward he was, etc etc. While they were correct, there is no point in saying anything or displaying any kind of reaction to these morons. It's what they want. That's what they crave, it's what they're there to do.

 

It's easier just to hurry up and report them (if it's even obvious who is doing it), and then simply join a new session. These weirdos are like small children nursing at the breast discovering that you will put on a show if they chomp down on your nipple with their newly-erupted teeth. No matter how much you're sweating it, you can't show them. They are mental midgets. They are children and should be treated as such.

The program he was using allowed him to make it look like someone else was doing it so how do we know the actual modder was being yelled at? Does prove they are cowards though. Probably get their asses kicked any time they leave their home. Screw with people in games to make themselves feel tough. lol

On 1/5/2020 at 8:36 PM, FuturePastNow said:

Found out tonight that being at your camp with the flag raised protects you from being teleported and killed by the modders. Which means R* is perfectly capable of giving us a defensive mode that actually defends, they've chosen not to.

But they can still spawn grizzlies in your camp and kill you. Happened to me a while ago.

Edited January 7, 2020 by StyxTx

[Menstrual Deranged]

59 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

The program he was using allowed him to make it look like someone else was doing it so how do we know the actual modder was being yelled at? Does prove they are cowards though. Probably get their asses kicked any time they leave their home. Screw with people in games to make themselves feel tough. lol

I know they're likely not visible in most situations, but people start yelling out anyways. I think they're hoping the modder can hear them. I don't fully understand how mod menus work so I imagine a lot of other people don't either. People start pointing fingers at who they think is doing it. My point is simply that it's pointless to try to engage with them because if they know they're getting to you, it just makes gives them amusement.

 

There have been a couple instances for me where it was obvious who was doing it, such as two guys who had crazy-looking characters (one looked like a grim reaper or something) and they were teleporting people to them so they could kill them in the middle of a field with a gatling gun. They were in voice chat laughing at us as they killed us. They were in god mode and untouchable. I didn't stick around to be salty and give them a thrill, I simply reported them and left. 

Edited January 7, 2020 by Menstrual Deranged

[StyxTx]

19 hours ago, Menstrual Deranged said:

I know they're likely not visible in most situations, but people start yelling out anyways. I think they're hoping the modder can hear them. I don't fully understand how mod menus work so I imagine a lot of other people don't either. People start pointing fingers at who they think is doing it. My point is simply that it's pointless to try to engage with them because if they know they're getting to you, it just makes gives them amusement.

 

There have been a couple instances for me where it was obvious who was doing it, such as two guys who had crazy-looking characters (one looked like a grim reaper or something) and they were teleporting people to them so they could kill them in the middle of a field with a gatling gun. They were in voice chat laughing at us as they killed us. They were in god mode and untouchable. I didn't stick around to be salty and give them a thrill, I simply reported them and left. 

Some mod users are actually a weird shade of red in the player list, not the usual 2 red shades that people turn when they become hostile. Can't really describe the shade the mod users are, kinda darker than the other 2 shades, but it's easy to tell who they are. The teleporters.

 

I agree with you that letting them know they're getting on your nerves is the wrong thing to do. I just report and change servers.