Is GTA Online Still Fun?

[GrungeNinja]

2 minutes ago, Hécate-II said:

Once Bannerlord gets released I uninstall GTA I think, or will play it every 6months. 

 I love medieval theme too, curious if bannerlord will have an online sandbox mode or just skirmishes as MB1.

 

Still, I am hoping to see R* announces the Medieval rumors that are supposed to be in the works, if that come to be true, I’m sure it will be a hella fun game.

[SummerFreeze]

6 hours ago, BOOGIEMAN219 said:

I purposely put myself in bad sport for a long time because I did like it, I fly jets and love dogfighting so bad sport was the place to be. Then god mode jet came about and I haven't had fun in months. So I started doing jet death matches because of the god mode jet and got addicted to that, now people are joining my death matches in god mode, you can destroy the jet but no kill it just ruins everything.

I play on PC so I wasn't really surprised, but I had a guy in godmode join a 1v1 jet deathmatch once. I shot up him down over the Alamo Sea and it took him 2 minutes to swim to land; probably would have taken another 5 minutes to get a new jet, so I just left.

[B165HOW]

I recently jumped back in after a long hiatus (left around the time the original heists dropped as it was impossible to complete the heists with randoms and I didn't bother trying to coordinate with forum users or join a crew). 

 

I mainly rejoined with the sole purpose of completing my desired ideal car collection of British marquees, and I am pretty much there, bar one or two minor additions. I've managed to purchase an office, fully upgraded nightclub, MC businesses, bunker, an arcade and a basic Casino penthouse, but the grind has been long and arduous, and even with afk'ing, has pretty much drained me and the fun out of the game. Once I complete these final few purchases within the next week or so, I'll probably walk away again.

 

The thought of then grinding to start building an arsenal of weaponised vehicles such as the Lazer/Oppressor/Vigilante to bring some parity to PVP just isn't worth it in my view, and it's impossible to roam around without those in your collection now thanks to griefers. 

 

On the flip side, I've met some solid people whilst playing heists/missions this time around and just to echo what others have said, the game is way more fun when played with friends. It's not so fun playing solo anymore in my opinion. 

[Onishiro]

On 2/11/2020 at 9:31 AM, Geisterfaust said:

Absolutely. I want to enjoy more spaces and explore something new and a lot of people want the same too.

 

I'm pretty close to this amount of cash and the game is not worse, than it was with 1/4 of that. Hell, with cash this game becomes easier, much easier.

N O R T H Y A N K T O N

 

Take what was established in single player and expand it. Snowy town, tundra area, forest. Bring in wildlife. Ice lake and the easter eggs. Give us buildings with accessible interiors and varied missions with new contacts that are actually relevant to the series rather than these nobodies we've been getting in GTAO like the Texas dudes, Elon Zuckerdorsey and Agent 69.

[Big Molio]

On 2/6/2020 at 1:53 AM, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

And that's just the surface level, maybe you start trying to make decent outfits and a truly unique look and backstory for your character, maybe you dabble in either the R* Editor, the R* Creator or both, maybe you start taking pics or making vids and machinimas, maybe you join a forum, a subreddit, start a Twitter or YouTube account to showcase the silly adventures of your character from time to time, the fun trascending the game itself...

You said it brother. 

 

I still have fun on the game, and I haven't ever grinded. I never really have any money. I'm pretty rich at the moment though with $9m, but I got a free $1m off Rockstar the other day, and I had a fire sale, selling every bike and car I had that I didn't need for racing.

 

I make Survivals, or Stunt Races or stupid videos. Take photos. I drive around in the R/C and follow players in it jumping up and down like an annoying puppy. If I see somebody out in their blimp or Avenger, I'll try and land on the top of it and start dancing. You can have a laugh with it as long as you don't let it get to you (it does occasionally, but not often)

 

I like getting into Ghost and then happy slapping players, especially those wiggling back and forth in a sniper stand off with somebody else. Just run up to them and start beating them up with your bare hands. It's hilarious. It's fun to get the Hot Property briefcase then go and stand in the air traffic tower control room at Zancudo, watch them endlessly climb the stairs like lemmings until they reach your proximity mines.

 

So much fun to be had.

[TheGhostFromPast]

On 2/11/2020 at 10:19 AM, Onishiro said:

Came here to say exactly this. Killing griefers is hilarious but gets old and most people just want to do heists rather than invest time in other dimensions of the game such as racing or PVE like Survival and contact missions. When you have to grind so much the fun factor is greatly reduced.

I agree and grinding reduces fun factor especially when people are very busy with work and/or other stuff and they barely have a free time for video games.  In fact I've already noticed how much this obvious Rockstar's greed, which is forcing people to grind, has reduced my desire to play this game. I want to get one vehicle, but when I look on it's price and how much it will cost me to modify it, my eyes are rolling and I'm sighing, because this isn't fun at all. I don't have so much free time that I don't know where to shove it all. I just want some fun, not a second job. 

[Guest]

Yep because I make it fun.  Every complaint I've seen theres a solution.  If you're not having fun its because you're a boring hermet. Get you some friends and think of stuff to do.  Control your experience people.

Edited February 16, 2020 by BumpyJohnson

[TheGhostFromPast]

3 hours ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Yep because I make it fun.  Every complaint I've seen theres a solution.  If you're not having fun its because you're a boring hermet. Get you some friends and think of stuff to do.  Control your experience people.

 

In that case what should I say about those who ignores or doesn't see the obvious greed in GTA:O?! 

 

Are you really saying that people should pretend that they are so blind that they don't even see this obvious greed and accept it like it's normal to be greedy?! Or did I missed something here? Don't get me wrong. I get it that we should control our gaming experience, but I think it's much easier to control gaming experience when people can play at least 2-3 hours every day, but if people can play only 1-2 hours every third day then it's much harder to control gaming experience, especially when greed is so obviously visible in video game. It just somehow sounds to me that you're trying to say that people shouldn't complain about the stuff they don't like in game and accept those things they don't like as something normal. Sorry if I misunderstood you. 

 

P.S.

 

It may seem like an easy task to get friends, who could play GTA:O, but it isn't easy task for all people. And what someone, who can play about 1-2 hours every third day could do in this game, especially if he's playing solo?! Do some contact missions while waiting until bunker goods are ready for selling?  Not fun, at least not really, because contact missions are worth it only when there are double payouts. 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by TheGhostFromPast

[suicidal_banana]

3 hours ago, TheGhostFromPast said:

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Your greed point is completely negated by the 50 million ways to make money fast that have been posted about for almost 7 years now, yes prices have gone up over the past years, but its also 10x easier to make money today then it was a few years ago, even if you only have 1-2hours per 3 days then you really shouldn't have any money trouble if you even vaguely know what you are doing, yes compared to the early years of the game its absolutely insane that some of the new clothes set you back 300k, but if you know where to look you make that 300k in 15 minutes anyway. And yes its ridiculous that cars that cost maybe a 100k in real life cost a million or two in game, but considering you can make that million in a few hours, so what. Im bothered by all the entitled gamers these days tbh, since when is putting in some basic effort too much to ask? suddenly its all 'grinding' and 'a bad game', you guys do realize you can just uninstall the game if it bothers you? nobody's forcing you to get the latest cars/clothes/companies/whatever, just accept that some people have more free time to spend on gaming & just work (read: buy new stuff) at your own pace? or do you need there to be lootcrates or some bs?

I've been casually playing the game since launch (on average a few hours a week) and i've got almost 600mil spent, closing in on my 200th vehicle, having bscly all clothes, all weapons, all companies, etc. You dont need to be some basement dweller or shark card addict to get what you want & more, just look up some guides or whatever to make the most of your time & have fun doing it.

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@Topic starter: Yes.

Edited February 17, 2020 by suicidal_banana
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[Big Molio]

@suicidal_banana
 

What I think is part of the problem is that many gamers are, by nature, completionists. There is an innate desire to complete every single last facet of the game presented to them.

 

In a persistent game like GTAO, where new content is continually added, this is not seen as simply increasing choice, but increasing the number of items that simply must be acquired.

 

This is why there are continual cries for more garage space. It isn’t enough to have space for 200 vehicles or whatever it is, players would like to have space for 500 vehicles, or 1000 vehicles.

 

If space were unlimited, you would see some players attempting to get every vehicle in every conceivable colour and configuration.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

7 hours ago, suicidal_banana said:

Your greed point is completely negated by the 50 million ways to make money fast that have been posted about for almost 7 years now, yes prices have gone up over the past years, but its also 10x easier to make money today then it was a few years ago, even if you only have 1-2hours per 3 days then you really shouldn't have any money trouble if you even vaguely know what you are doing, yes compared to the early years of the game its absolutely insane that some of the new clothes set you back 300k, but if you know where to look you make that 300k in 15 minutes anyway. And yes its ridiculous that cars that cost maybe a 100k in real life cost a million or two in game, but considering you can make that million in a few hours, so what. Im bothered by all the entitled gamers these days tbh, since when is putting in some basic effort too much to ask? suddenly its all 'grinding' and 'a bad game', you guys do realize you can just uninstall the game if it bothers you? nobody's forcing you to get the latest cars/clothes/companies/whatever, just accept that some people have more free time to spend on gaming & just work (read: buy new stuff) at your own pace? or do you need there to be lootcrates or some bs?

Too lazy to quote every single of the points you made, so I'll respond to them in a single reply instead.

 

It may be technically true that it's easier than ever to make money on this game, but there's several things that are you forgetting:

 

- It takes a lot of time, like a real lot, in order to get enough money so you can get the best Businesses (with all their upgrades each one) and the best grinding vehicles (which some have their own paywalls, like the Oppresor Mk II) in order to get to a level of self suficency. For us who have everything in the game is easy as f*ck to make money, for a new player, it isn't.

- The game does a terrible job at explaining all the wholly different, independent of each other and sometimes even contradictory systems. We already know the means to maximize our profits, a new player doesn't and it shouldn't rely on noob unfriendly game guides about how to do so.

- Just because it's "easier" to make millions nowadays it doesn't justify certain things to become suddenly overpriced for the heck of it. Things shouldn't be realistically priced, but when a freaking 80's Volvo or a 90's Subaru starts costing millions instead of something more reasonable like $200k-$500k, it's no surprising when people start to take notice about it.

- No one wants to have everything the game has to offer in a silver plate, people just want for the ingame progression to be more reasonable and fair. And no, there's nothing entitled about that, unless you're talking about the original meaning of that word (being legally owned to, instead or being spoiled), in which in that case, yeah, people are entitled for a fun, fair and balanced game that they paid for.

- Telling people that if they don't like certain aspects of this game, they can just stop playing it, it's not only a terrible argument, it barely counts as one. It's basically an slightly more polite way of saying "if you don't like it, f*ck off!".

- Just because there's worst ways to monetize a game, like lootboxes, it doesn't make things like Shark Cards and the effect they have in the game any better.

 

1 hour ago, Big Molio said:

@suicidal_banana
 

What I think is part of the problem is that many gamers are, by nature, completionists. There is an innate desire to complete every single last facet of the game presented to them.

 

In a persistent game like GTAO, where new content is continually added, this is not seen as simply increasing choice, but increasing the number of items that simply must be acquired.

 

This is why there are continual cries for more garage space. It isn’t enough to have space for 200 vehicles or whatever it is, players would like to have space for 500 vehicles, or 1000 vehicles.

 

If space were unlimited, you would see some players attempting to get every vehicle in every conceivable colour and configuration.

No offense, but it seems like you consider being a completionist a bad thing.

 

I mean, isn't one of the appeals of this game to, well, own things? Cars, guns, bikes, gunship helicopters, flying bikes and everything in between?

 

Not only that, unlike something like Roles in RDO, this game expects you to become some sort of CEO/MC president/arms dealer/smuggler/antihero world savior/professional racer hybrid thing, all at the same time.

 

And sure, you could just try to only buy what you truly want, like only becoming a biker or only having an Arcade, but even then the game pesters you with unskipabble calls about how "exciting" and "fun" these "new" endeavors are and why you should buy them.

 

There's also the issue of the ever rising power creep in each update, new cars become faster than older ones and griefing machines become more broken than older ones, having to keep up with the Joneses in order to catch up or be left behind.

 

Tbf, I do understand your point, some players do get caught up in this "I want everything" mentality, totally forgetting about just chill down a little and smell the roses once in a while, but at the same time, wanting to experience or own everything (or mostly everything) the game has to offer is not necesarely a bad thing per se.

[TheGhostFromPast]

8 hours ago, suicidal_banana said:

Your greed point is completely negated by the 50 million ways to make money fast that have been posted about for almost 7 years now, yes prices have gone up over the past years, but its also 10x easier to make money today then it was a few years ago, even if you only have 1-2hours per 3 days then you really shouldn't have any money trouble if you even vaguely know what you are doing, yes compared to the early years of the game its absolutely insane that some of the new clothes set you back 300k, but if you know where to look you make that 300k in 15 minutes anyway. And yes its ridiculous that cars that cost maybe a 100k in real life cost a million or two in game, but considering you can make that million in a few hours, so what. Im bothered by all the entitled gamers these days tbh, since when is putting in some basic effort too much to ask? suddenly its all 'grinding' and 'a bad game', you guys do realize you can just uninstall the game if it bothers you? nobody's forcing you to get the latest cars/clothes/companies/whatever, just accept that some people have more free time to spend on gaming & just work (read: buy new stuff) at your own pace? or do you need there to be lootcrates or some bs?

I've been casually playing the game since launch (on average a few hours a week) and i've got almost 600mil spent, closing in on my 200th vehicle, having bscly all clothes, all weapons, all companies, etc. You dont need to be some basement dweller or shark card addict to get what you want & more, just look up some guides or whatever to make the most of your time & have fun doing it.

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@Topic starter: Yes.

 

 

Yeah, it's easy to make money in GTA:O when you have so much free time that you don't know where to shove it all. (I'm not talking about you specifically) Been there, done that. But try to make so much money when you can play video games only 1-2 hours every third day and sometimes even less than 1-2 hours! 300k in 15 minutes?! Could you be more specific about that, because right now that makes me think about cheating. 

And payout isn't the only problem. I've played contact missions so many times that even in terms of story and gameplay it's nothing new for me and same goes for all business sale missions and everything else in this game. They are so busy trying to milk money from their customers with new vehicles that they very rarely add new missions.  

[Big Molio]

37 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

No offense, but it seems like you consider being a completionist a bad thing.

 

I mean, isn't one of the appeals of this game to, well, own things? Cars, guns, bikes, gunship helicopters, flying bikes and everything in between?

 

Not only that, unlike something like Roles in RDO, this game expects you to become some sort of CEO/MC president/arms dealer/smuggler/antihero world savior/professional racer hybrid thing, all at the same time.

 

And sure, you could just try to only buy what you truly want, like only becoming a biker or only having an Arcade, but even then the game pesters you with unskipabble calls about how "exciting" and "fun" these "new" endeavors are and why you should buy them.

 

There's also the issue of the ever rising power creep in each update, new cars become faster than older ones and griefing machines become more broken than older ones, having to keep up with the Joneses in order to catch up or be left behind.

 

Tbf, I do understand your point, some players do get caught up in this "I want everything" mentality, totally forgetting about just chill down a little and smell the roses once in a while, but at the same time, wanting to experience or own everything (or mostly everything) the game has to offer is not necesarely a bad thing per se.

Not at all, I have been one myself in the past, but generally on games that have a definitive end and a 100% completion feature to them. All I am saying with something like GTAO, which is persistent and has regular content updates, is that it for some players it maybe gives the feeling of being overwhelmingly unattainable to "complete", whereas for others they just see "more choice"

 

 

[Zee Gate Keepa]

I still find the game fun, although it's easy to burn out if you overdo the money grind (which I have done). I've stepped away from the game a few times over the years, for various reasons, but always found my way back. These days I get most of my enjoyment helping new low level players out and showing them the ropes. It would be even more fun if I could play with my real life friends, like I did back on Xbox 360, but I went PS4 (for the exclusives) and they all went Xbox One.

[Hécate-II]

2 hours ago, TheGhostFromPast said:

Yeah, it's easy to make money in GTA:O when you have so much free time that you don't know where to shove it all. (I'm not talking about you specifically) Been there, done that. But try to make so much money when you can play video games only 1-2 hours every third day and sometimes even less than 1-2 hours! 300k in 15 minutes?! Could you be more specific about that, because right now that makes me think about cheating. 

And payout isn't the only problem. I've played contact missions so many times that even in terms of story and gameplay it's nothing new for me and same goes for all business sale missions and everything else in this game. They are so busy trying to milk money from their customers with new vehicles that they very rarely add new missions.  

me I didn't played for like 9 months and returned because new heists. The game is fun again for me because new PvE contents, I don't even grind free roam businesses anymore despite I'm playing with a new account so I don't have that much money. But with new heists you can make serious money in no time and you don't have to join pub lobbies, you have artwork loot that reduces the need to find 3 players, so you can just play with a single friend and make 1.5Mio in 2 hours easily. Its really game changing. 

[Lonely-Martin]

5 hours ago, Big Molio said:

Not at all, I have been one myself in the past, but generally on games that have a definitive end and a 100% completion feature to them. All I am saying with something like GTAO, which is persistent and has regular content updates, is that it for some players it maybe gives the feeling of being overwhelmingly unattainable to "complete", whereas for others they just see "more choice"

That damn arena will forever be the straw that broke this camels back, lol. Until then, I found it all mostly a breeze though it was the first thing on mind when playing at times. But it has helped me shake the compulsions I have had regarding completing things which I find a big positive. Although R* haven't helped by leaving some awards bugged or just not generally giving the stats/social club page enough love for my liking (but if it's broken, I find it easy to forget about. I like to complete the possible, lol). But however it's done, that arena is a shocking amount of hours to reach the endgame. I'd say it'd take more hours for that one addition than any full game I've seen it's that bad. I don't like a grind, variety is what pulls me in here all the time (love 'on call'), getting that Go Go Blista was all I grinded like that and never again. (Though forever grateful to those who joined, wow!).

 

I bitch, but I do find myself having just as much fun in GTA even knowing I can't chalk a few bits off, and the arena itself is a real blast I enjoy. I'm pretty chuffed public only hasn't been the focus so much this last year or so too and that surely helped. And though I initially never sought garage space like I do now, It's only because as I keep playing, those numbers in the top right keep growing, it'd be nice to spend some as money does drive my gaming at times too, I like the arcade side to it all, but I like targets too and it's always nice to hit a small goal we set ourselves.

 

I went all out on this arcade, bought the lot, fully upgraded everything, all cars and clothes, and just by having fun on the heist (on call and as host for unlocks/trade prices), both me and the lad have made a bloody mint. He's up about $20m stashed for ghe F1 cars and whatever comes next, and me easily $10m. (I gave him 75% so often, but he doesn't do on call), we bought loads of crap too. Great DLC IMO. Pretty easy elites, very flexible, though some crap preps. (Though I get It's not for all as it's co-op/PvE).

 

This is my favourite DLC for how it felt like a proper one, some good content that suited me of course, but it felt casual more so too, and I think that's partly because the arena and these games did kick me into a bit of a different mindset with all that. I had no compulsions like before I could, especially when the original heists arrived, I was in full on mode, wanted them done and all awards/rewards collected. We got there but I know I was very strong minded and it was my first priority upon loading in anytime I did back then. Here I was more 'It'll happen/if it happens, it happens' regarding the challenges, which only made it more fun all round when I did.

 

Almost $110m stashed now and I keep pinching myself when a car/DLC drops and I can just carelessly log on and blow $2m or whatever on anything, so looking forward to the F1 cars too. It's a huge difference to how I played for so long, but just as much fun. RDRO too (when it works), I haven't even tried completing/unlocking/buying it all there, I just fish, hunt, and find collectibles or buried treasure. 350+ gold and 15k, which is pretty well set going by previous content as all I needed was a shooter and a fishing rod, looting does the rest. So absorbing, I don't play much there though as outside those activities, the game is sh*t, just never been as big on the combat aspects as the others I can get aside racing etc, not a gun man I mean, I'm the driver.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Yeah, err, oops. Soz, just gots to rambling there, lol

[Pedinhuh]

I recently jumped back in to rob the diamonds on the Casino heist and jump back to check the dripfeeed cars, but i have been playing this game once a week only, my interest for it wanned because I have other games to dedicate myself now and frankly, I have seen everything that there's to see in this game by now.

Also because I want to try out new things this year, and I'm kind of getting bored of videogames, I never thought that this would happen but it did...I guess I'm getting old.

I most definitely will hop back to check more dripfeed content and the F1 races picked my interest...But that flame, that spark of joy I had everytime I would start this game, followed by answering the question "What will I do today?" doesn't exist anymore.

[suicidal_banana]

2 hours ago, TheGhostFromPast said:

... But try to make so much money when you can play video games only 1-2 hours every third day and sometimes even less than 1-2 hours! 300k in 15 minutes?! Could you be more specific about that, because right now that makes me think about cheating. ...

Heres some ways:
- Join somebody's bogdan finale (you are not cheating, if host is repeating the finale then yea they kinda are cheating, but thats not your fault/doing, you wont get in trouble for that at all)

- Join any of the heist finale's, theres currently even a few that pay double
- Keep track of what pays double each week, play that (obviously it differs each week how much money you can make from that in 15mins, but 300k is possible in some weeks)

- Sell some import/export vehicles (top tier ones, showroom quality, never sell collections)

- Sell some cargo from any of the companies that have cargo

- Play some high stakes 3card or blackjack (if you pay attention its easy to see a pattern of wins/losses, once you get used to the pattern its easy to make use of it, no cheats needed)
- Win a car on the lucky wheel that you already have, sell the one you already have (yes you can do this without any cheats/repeat trickery)

The list goes on but these are the most obvious ones i guess.

 

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2 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

- It takes a lot of time, like a real lot, in order to get enough money so you can get the best Businesses (with all their upgrades each one) and the best grinding vehicles (which some have their own paywalls, like the Oppresor Mk II) in order to get to a level of self suficency. For us who have everything in the game is easy as f*ck to make money, for a new player, it isn't.

Fair point on paper, but now just look around an average freemode session, most low levels have a MK2 etc as their initial goals, to a point where MK2 griefing has mostly died down these days apart from the low levels who just bought theirs

 

3 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

- Just because it's "easier" to make millions nowadays it doesn't justify certain things to become suddenly overpriced for the heck of it. Things shouldn't be realistically priced, but when a freaking 80's Volvo or a 90's Subaru starts costing millions instead of something more reasonable like $200k-$500k, it's no surprising when people start to take notice about it.

I completely agree that the higher prices we get these days are not really justified towards new players, but if you think about it this is really just a result of the 'economy' of GTA:Online though, prices are based on what kind of money an average player has, because of all the money glitches, biggest portion of playerbase are long time players etc, the average funds for a player have been rising for years, and this directly relates to prices for ingame stuff rising. To long time players all these new prices are pretty reasonable, to new players they are not.

 

3 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

- Telling people that if they don't like certain aspects of this game, they can just stop playing it, it's not only a terrible argument, it barely counts as one. It's basically an slightly more polite way of saying "if you don't like it, f*ck off!".

I stand by my earlier reply, i kinda am trying to say that in a polite way.

 

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5 hours ago, Big Molio said:

@suicidal_banana
What I think is part of the problem is that many gamers are, by nature, completionists. There is an innate desire to complete every single last facet of the game presented to them.

In a persistent game like GTAO, where new content is continually added, this is not seen as simply increasing choice, but increasing the number of items that simply must be acquired.

This is why there are continual cries for more garage space. It isn’t enough to have space for 200 vehicles or whatever it is, players would like to have space for 500 vehicles, or 1000 vehicles.

If space were unlimited, you would see some players attempting to get every vehicle in every conceivable colour and configuration.

 

I completely get that point (and i too would wanna buy a 100 car garage or whatever) but my counterpoint is that a new player should quickly realize they cant play the completionist role in this game, its simply been receiving updates too long for that.

[Jimbatron]

On 12/30/2019 at 1:22 AM, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

...if you have people to play with. 

I’d say this is true for a lot of R* titles.

 

Its certainly the case for Heists where you need a team, but its always better with people you know than randoms (even the competent ones).

 

But it was also the case for many of the best modes in GTA IV too. Cops ‘n Crooks I still maintain is the best thing they’ve come up with: if you have two teams of experienced players. The reality is even a mode I rate so highly (the best ever, and that’s a bold statement for someone who has played computer games since 1985) is limited fun with random players who don’t work strategically as a team. When we had a dip of players post the launch of V we dreamed up objective of making it to all 26 getaways on foot as it created a challenge against random newbies. But after you’ve done them all that gets old. A group of two experienced teams, constantly innovating and adapting though, that’s got lasting appeal. I guess the thing V’s online lacks is competitive modes with lasting appeal. They’ve all a bit short and don’t really have the depth to develop team strategies. Heists though are fine co-op modes.

 

If you like racing, maybe that’s something you can enjoy on your own, although I’ve always felt it was a bit more arcade-y than IV. The real way they keep the fun going is by adding new content, unfortunately I think that means they tend to churn out too much novelty stuff lacking in lastability.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, TheGhostFromPast said:

Yeah, it's easy to make money in GTA:O when you have so much free time that you don't know where to shove it all. (I'm not talking about you specifically) Been there, done that. But try to make so much money when you can play video games only 1-2 hours every third day and sometimes even less than 1-2 hours! 300k in 15 minutes?! Could you be more specific about that, because right now that makes me think about cheating. 

And payout isn't the only problem. I've played contact missions so many times that even in terms of story and gameplay it's nothing new for me and same goes for all business sale missions and everything else in this game. They are so busy trying to milk money from their customers with new vehicles that they very rarely add new missions.  

You only being able to play 2-4 hours a week is not a legitimate complaint towards the games' payouts.  The game is designed for the majority who play daily.

 

9 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

- No one wants to have everything the game has to offer in a silver plate, people just want for the ingame progression to be more reasonable and fair. And no, there's nothing entitled about that, unless you're talking about the original meaning of that word (being legally owned to, instead or being spoiled), in which in that case, yeah, people are entitled for a fun, fair and balanced game that they paid for.

- Telling people that if they don't like certain aspects of this game, they can just stop playing it, it's not only a terrible argument, it barely counts as one. It's basically an slightly more polite way of saying "if you don't like it, f*ck off!".

- I disagree.  After listening to the complaints over the years its clear that most people want everything on a silver platter.  They don't want missions to be hard or take long AND at the same time want big payouts. Want proof?  Sharkcards.  Look how many rather pay than play.  Entitlement is the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.  You got what you paid for and much more yet you think you should be getting more.  That's entitlement.

 

- I don't think its an argument tho.  I think its more of a suggestion since you are not happy and nothing will be done about your complaints.

Edited February 17, 2020 by BumpyJohnson

[TheGhostFromPast]

  

5 hours ago, BumpyJohnson said:

You only being able to play 2-4 hours a week is not a legitimate complaint towards the games' payouts.  The game is designed for the majority who play daily.

 

- I disagree.  After listening to the complaints over the years its clear that most people want everything on a silver platter.  They don't want missions to be hard or take long AND at the same time want big payouts. Want proof?  Sharkcards.  Look how many rather pay than play.  Entitlement is the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.  You got what you paid for and much more yet you think you should be getting more.  That's entitlement.

 

- I don't think its an argument tho.  I think its more of a suggestion since you are not happy and nothing will be done about your complaints.

 

 

I'm sorry but something like this can say only someone, who has so much free time that he or she doesn't know where to shove it all! I'm not trying to condemn and criticize those, who has so much free time that they don't know where to shove it all, but don't you dare to tell me that my complaint isn't legitimate just because I have a life. You want to be a video game slave?! Okay, fine, whatever! Your life, your decisions, I don't have problems to accept that, but I'm not a video game slave and I don't want to become a video game slave! And no, I don't need big payouts and easy missions, I just want some fun, not a second job. After all games where created for fun...at least from the beginning, but I guess nowadays even games are becoming like a job! 

 

By the way the fact that games like GTA:O are trying to turn its customers into video game slaves is a huge problem and it sounds like you're trying to say that I and the rest of the people should ignore this problem! If that is true then I have to say you can ignore this problem as much as you wish, but don't try to tell me that I should ignore this problem! 

 

And FYI: people also are buying those fish cards because they don't have so much free time, which they could dedicate to grinding in a video game, but at the same time they can afford to buy those fish cards.

Basically this game is telling its players that either they should become GTA:O slaves, who are grinding non-stop or buy fish cards, if they want even 1-2 vehicles, which they can modify!

 

I don't need a special treatment, but how about some damn balance in this game?! 

  

7 hours ago, suicidal_banana said:

Heres some ways:
- Join somebody's bogdan finale (you are not cheating, if host is repeating the finale then yea they kinda are cheating, but thats not your fault/doing, you wont get in trouble for that at all)

- Join any of the heist finale's, theres currently even a few that pay double
- Keep track of what pays double each week, play that (obviously it differs each week how much money you can make from that in 15mins, but 300k is possible in some weeks)

- Sell some import/export vehicles (top tier ones, showroom quality, never sell collections)

- Sell some cargo from any of the companies that have cargo

- Play some high stakes 3card or blackjack (if you pay attention its easy to see a pattern of wins/losses, once you get used to the pattern its easy to make use of it, no cheats needed)
- Win a car on the lucky wheel that you already have, sell the one you already have (yes you can do this without any cheats/repeat trickery)

The list goes on but these are the most obvious ones i guess.

I don't want to sound like ungrateful individual, but I have a bad experience with heists. Since my friends are just as busy as I am playing heists with random players isn't fun, because they in 95%-99% mess up heist.

I do keep track on what pays double each week, but honestly I'm tired of playing same missions over and over again.

Sometimes I do that, but only when I know for sure that npc's with 600% accuracy won't make me very angry.

 

 

Besides I'm not trying to say that this game isn't fun at all. What I'm trying to say is that for starters this game needs less new vehicles and more new missions. At least in terms of story and gameplay there would be something new. 

 

  

10 hours ago, Hécate-II said:

me I didn't played for like 9 months and returned because new heists. The game is fun again for me because new PvE contents, I don't even grind free roam businesses anymore despite I'm playing with a new account so I don't have that much money. But with new heists you can make serious money in no time and you don't have to join pub lobbies, you have artwork loot that reduces the need to find 3 players, so you can just play with a single friend and make 1.5Mio in 2 hours easily. Its really game changing. 

I'm really glad to hear that this game is still fun for someone, but I'm tired to see how they add new vehicle every week or almost every week while new missions are added so rarely. Their desperate attempts to milk money are boring and depressing.

Edited February 17, 2020 by TheGhostFromPast

[VROmead]

No. The last time I had true fun on this game was years ago. 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

On 2/17/2020 at 10:54 AM, BumpyJohnson said:

You only being able to play 2-4 hours a week is not a legitimate complaint towards the games' payouts.  The game is designed for the majority who play daily.

Actually, that's a legitimate complain, not everyone has hours of disposable time to waste no lifing this game, you know? Some people go to school, some go to work, some take care of their families, some do all of the three at the same time, they shouldn't be at a disadvantage just because they can't play the game all the time.

 

On 2/17/2020 at 10:54 AM, BumpyJohnson said:

- I disagree.  After listening to the complaints over the years its clear that most people want everything on a silver platter.  They don't want missions to be hard or take long AND at the same time want big payouts. Want proof?  Sharkcards.  Look how many rather pay than play.

Not wanting for the ingame missions to be boring, repetitive fetch quests with artificial difficulty, overpowered NPCs and low payouts ≠ wanting everything handed on a silver plate.

 

Have you ever realized that the reason why people would rather pay than play is because R* has made the act of actually playing this game as frustating and boring as possible on purpose, so people would rather skip all that bullsh*t and buy a Shark Card to buy whatever fancy flavor of the week gets added?

 

On 2/17/2020 at 10:54 AM, BumpyJohnson said:

Entitlement is the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.  You got what you paid for and much more yet you think you should be getting more.  That's entitlement.

The original meaning of entitlement was of the right of having certain benefits or privileges, mostly in a legal sense. For example, someone who bought a product that ends up being of poor quality is entitled to either get said product improved, fixed or replaced.

 

That the word "entitled" has become a buzzword to unfairly call people who claim this right of theirs as "whiny" or "spoiled" is completely irrelevant and an act of bad faith.

 

On 2/17/2020 at 10:54 AM, BumpyJohnson said:

- I don't think its an argument tho.  I think its more of a suggestion since you are not happy and nothing will be done about your complaints.

Except that it's not a suggestion made in good faith most of the time. It also doesn't work as an argument because it doesn't adress the point made at all, it only serves to shut down any criticism, deserved or otherwise.

 

For an example, let's say that you don't like the goverment of your own country. "Well, if you don't like your country, you could just move out to another one then!". Except that not everyone who disagrees with their own goverment can afford moving out of their country and honestly shouldn't have to.

 

Also, this "nothing will improve, ever, stop complaining" mentality is exactly why this game has stagnated so badly, because people don't think that their voices actually matter (because they get told just that by the mindless masses), they get told to not care for anything, ever; to just consume and enjoy or to shut up and f*ck off.

 

Sorry mate, but people like you are part of the problem here.

[Lonely-Martin]

On 2/17/2020 at 4:32 PM, Jimbatron said:

I’d say this is true for a lot of R* titles.

Minecraft comes to mind so much on this too. Much like these R* games, that game is one I love as a lone wolf doing my own things, but also to join others and create big things or adventure together. For me, most games are either one or other so much more.

 

That's a huge draw over games like FIFA/WWE or a GT Sport etc. Don't get me wrong, they're fine games in their own right and I'm sure there's many games that offer many players a bit of both (I don't do space or fantasy gaming like Star Wars or Skyrim, not much combat based at all either really), but most other games like those I mention I either enjoy as a lone wolf only, or with other players only, lol. Something like COD, don't play it much but as a PvE/Co-op only gamer, I'd only ever do story modes on the older ones, football and wrestling I'd only relly enjoy fully with friends more as I find the campaigns less interesting or quite easy so they don't last where there's always a challenge in others and those are fun for nights in with mates old skool style.

 

But GTA, RDR, and Minecraft are the 3 main games I play because no matter my mood/fancy, these games are easily as much fun weather alone or with a friend, family, or group. But add to that I/we can play more arcade-like or on creative in Minecraft, or more sim-like or a survival approach too. Even if the games are a bit buggy or faulty, the flexibility is still a huge draw.

[Lonely-Martin]

On 2/17/2020 at 4:54 PM, BumpyJohnson said:

You only being able to play 2-4 hours a week is not a legitimate complaint towards the games' payouts.  The game is designed for the majority who play daily.

I've always been a believer that games should be more casual than this can get. I get that some are impatient at times, but also the way R* create plenty of the content here is designed in a way to make the cards appeal as best as. The way the game is garnered with those in mind does hamper creativity from R*'s end I feel. It limits things, like cooldowns on VIP work or joining the new heist on call (bastards, lol) for example, they're unnecessary roadblocks IMHO.

 

Naturally a gamer that can only play a few hours a week will make slower progress which is fair and completely acceptable, but with a game constantly growing and with each addition having a buy-in, it can become a bit tedious to repeat certain things just to open the game up more for a more casual gamer that just wants to play the new content after having already played the last.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Dammit, that should've merged my posts. Sorry about that.

[Sn1perguy1040]

It's a broken bugfest full of tryhards and griefers!

[Guest]

11 hours ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Actually, that's a legitimate complain, not everyone has hours of disposable time to waste no lifing this game, you know? Some people go to school, some go to work, some take care of their families, some do all of the three at the same time, they shouldn't be at a disadvantage just because they can't play the game all the time.

How much time you have in your personal life is not a legit complaint sorry.  No game is designed in favor of those who rarely play it.  If the majority of the people who play can barely get on then you would have something.

 

Not wanting for the ingame missions to be boring, repetitive fetch quests with artificial difficulty, overpowered NPCs and low payouts ≠ wanting everything handed on a silver plate.

Yep because most of the games' missions don't include these extremes yet most of you cry them out like its every mission all to justify wanting everything easy.

 

Have you ever realized that the reason why people would rather pay than play is because R* has made the act of actually playing this game as frustating and boring as possible on purpose, so people would rather skip all that bullsh*t and buy a Shark Card to buy whatever fancy flavor of the week gets added?

Never realized it because its not a fact just your opinion passed off as EVERYONES'.  lol  A fact is that not all people who buy sharkcards do it because theyre frustrated with the game or want to skip bullsh*t.  As you just mention above,  a lot of people don't have the time to invest in mission grinding but go ahead and use that strawman to try and give your opinion weight.

 

The original meaning of entitlement was of the right of having certain benefits or privileges, mostly in a legal sense. For example, someone who bought a product that ends up being of poor quality is entitled to either get said product improved, fixed or replaced.

The original meaning?  Basically the same thing I wrote?    You got what you originally paid for and on top of that continous changes,  patches AND multiple FREE dlc content yet you still expect more.  If that's not entitled then Idk what is.  Theres plenty that should be fixed no doubt but most is just people wanting things easy.

 

Except that it's not a suggestion made in good faith most of the time. It also doesn't work as an argument because it doesn't adress the point made at all, it only serves to shut down any criticism, deserved or otherwise.

Because most of the time its directed at those with just complain annoyingly.  Also,  as I mentioned before its not an argument so it isn't meant to work as one.  Its a suggestion since the complainer wont accept anything else and just rather criticise.  Nobody likes hearing someone cry over spilled milk or watching someone beat a dead horse

 

Also, this "nothing will improve, ever, stop complaining" mentality is exactly why this game has stagnated so badly, because people don't think that their voices actually matter (because they get told just that by the mindless masses), they get told to not care for anything, ever; to just consume and enjoy or to shut up and f*ck off.

False.  The game has stagnated because its old and most people say stop complaining about the stuff that most likely wont get fixed AND about things you have the ability to deal with yourself.  Nobody said ZERO complaining.  Not sure what legit complaint youre talking about where people tell them to f*ck off. Then again theres always a few who like to troll or just be against people but those people don't speak for the majority.

Part of the problem?  So my ability to overcome the games' flaws, find best ways to make fast $ and always doing things to make the game fun for me is part of the problem?  lol  

[TheGhostFromPast]

17 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Part of the problem?  So my ability to overcome the games' flaws, find best ways to make fast $ and always doing things to make the game fun for me is part of the problem?  lol  

 

You coming here and basically telling hard working people like me that their complaints aren't legitimate just because they have a life outside the internet and that they should be blind moles, who doesn't see everything and to pretend that everything is fine with video games like GTA:O is a problem, because it sounds like you are trying to say that the rest of the people should accept this attempt to turn video game customers into paying slaves like it wouldn't be a problem at all.  You say that people who want everything handed to them in easy way are entitled or something like that but do you even slightly realize how you look like when you come here and tell people that they should frack off only because they have a life?! 

 

Honestly I don't care how much free time you have and what have you decided to do with your life, but stop saying that I should ignore the fact that video games are trying to turn people into zombies and paying slaves since the day when paying through the internet was invented! 

Edited February 19, 2020 by TheGhostFromPast

[Guest]

^ ^

Your post is nonsense and doesn't even reply to the quote you posted.  lol  I mean did you prove what I said in your quote wrong?  and no I don't know how I look telling people to f*ck off for having a life because I never told anyone that.  Please find that quote or get off my stick putting words in my mouth just so you can rant your opinion.   I also never said anything in favor of videogames turning people into paid slaves.  Puttin words in my mouth again wtf?  I just spoke on the entitlement because clearly a lot are.  Unless you're claiming that ZERO people are entitled then idk wtf your arguing.  I have a life,  job,  kids,  etc and play only a few hours a day like most of you whiners so I think I'm in good position to speak on entitlement but hey guess my experience don't count.

Edited February 19, 2020 by BumpyJohnson

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

17 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

How much time you have in your personal life is not a legit complaint sorry.  No game is designed in favor of those who rarely play it.  If the majority of the people who play can barely get on then you would have something.

Again, it's actually a legit complain. Obviously, people who spent a larger ammount of time playing the game should have an inherent advantage against those who don't, that's fair. What's not fair is when said advantage is so lopsided it forces people to play way more than what they can or should just to keep up with the Joneses.

 

21 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Yep because most of the games' missions don't include these extremes yet most of you cry them out like its every mission all to justify wanting everything easy.

Really? What about some Contact Missions like High Priority Case? The original Heists? Literally every single I/E mission? The Doomsday Heist? The Casino Missions? CEO Work like Headhunter? Way too many resupply and sourcing missions to count too.

 

R* thinks that cranking up both the health and accuracy of NPCs to absurd levels = hard, when actually, it's just a lazy way to make missions more frustating than what they already can be, even more when other players can be involved (like in sourcing, resupply and sale missions).

 

30 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Never realized it because its not a fact just your opinion passed off as EVERYONES'.  lol  A fact is that not all people who buy sharkcards do it because theyre frustrated with the game or want to skip bullsh*t.  As you just mention above,  a lot of people don't have the time to invest in mission grinding but go ahead and use that strawman to try and give your opinion weight.

Except that's actually a fact, not exclusive to this game, but to every single game with microtransactions. For microtransactions to actually work, people need to be enticed to buy them and what better way to do it than to make the game as boring, unbalanced and frustating as possible so people say "f*ck this" and buy microtransactions instead?

 

Videogames nowadays are designed from the ground up to be boring on purpose so people would rather spent more money on them in order to make them more fun, and that's an undeniable fact.

 

34 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

The original meaning?  Basically the same thing I wrote?    You got what you originally paid for and on top of that continous changes,  patches AND multiple FREE dlc content yet you still expect more.  If that's not entitled then Idk what is.  Theres plenty that should be fixed no doubt but most is just people wanting things easy.

Nope, you meant "spoiled", I meant "legally owed to", big difference.

 

And nope, this game's updates aren't truly "free", you either pay for them with your time or with buying Shark Cards.

 

And yes, we do expect more from a company which product is the most profitable media product ever.

 

I bought the game, ergo, that literally entitles me to a good game and I will reclaim what I paid for.

 

37 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Because most of the time its directed at those with just complain annoyingly.  Also,  as I mentioned before its not an argument so it isn't meant to work as one.  Its a suggestion since the complainer wont accept anything else and just rather criticise.  Nobody likes hearing someone cry over spilled milk or watching someone beat a dead horse

Except that most of the time, said remark is directed at anyone who dares to criticise a product they like, god forbid someone on the internet has an opinion that isn't blind ass licking.

 

Instead of actually putting up a proper counterargument, you rather just tell others to shut the hell up and stop playing.

 

By your same logic, if you don't like people rightfully complaining about issues of this game here on this forum, you know, a place meant for discussion, why don't you leave then?

 

40 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

False.  The game has stagnated because its old and most people say stop complaining about the stuff that most likely wont get fixed AND about things you have the ability to deal with yourself.  Nobody said ZERO complaining.  Not sure what legit complaint youre talking about where people tell them to f*ck off. Then again theres always a few who like to troll or just be against people but those people don't speak for the majority.

There's games that are even older than this one, like Runescape, World of Warcraft and even Minecraft, yet those keep getting updated and revamped from time to time. Meanwhile, GTA O barely has 7 years old yet it still has issues from all the way down to 2013. Completely unaceptable.

 

And yes, trolls will troll and all that, but some people are tired of seeing the same old tired complains, while failing to realize that the reason why those complains still exists even after almost 7 years later is because, aside from a handful of them, most haven't been fixed or even adressed at all.

 

46 minutes ago, BumpyJohnson said:

Part of the problem?  So my ability to overcome the games' flaws, find best ways to make fast $ and always doing things to make the game fun for me is part of the problem?  lol  

Nope, what makes you part of the problem is calling the people who have legitimate complains about the game as "whiners" or "entitled".