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Ahmedmfroezspeed

Is Toni Cipriani a sociopath or a psychopath ?

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Ahmedmfroezspeed

Let me know your opinion

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Max.pain

he is trevor, just a calm version of him

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Ahmedmfroezspeed

For me... Toni is a psychopath 

Because he did not feel remorse for killing casa and chopping him up

Yes sure he felt remorse while he was in the church but he chose the second option and not the first one

Which proves that his remorse was fake, also he blew up half the city in the mission -Bringing down the house- and he did not feel empathy nor remorse , his only response was : "great , don, all I gotta do is just dodge a bunch of whacho italians" and that proves my point, also what makes Toni a psychopath is rampages

Well..., Toni is the ONLY protagonist that targeted pedestrians in his rampages, plus

There is a rampage on portland where you had to kill 25 leones with a shotgun , seriously how can you kill leones since you are a leone yourself ?! It doesn't make any sense.there's 2 possibilities in this one 

1-  he did it because of the way how salvatore treated him after returning to liberty city

2- because he gave him half a million instead of 2 million dollars in the end of the game (the scicillian gambit) 

Well the second possibility isn't true because the rampage existed before the mission slacker for vincenzo

So Toni is a psychopath

Because of all these reasons

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Max.pain

no need to think that long. other than a few protagonists, all of them are psychos

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
On ٢٨ ديسمبر، ٢٠١٩ at 1:22 PM, Max.pain said:

no need to think that long. other than a few protagonists, all of them are psychos

Except for CJ...

he's a sociopath for me...

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Ondr4H

Well he blow part of city for lousy 5000 dollars. He never really stated, that he has problem with that.Only saying that this sure kills lots of people.
He blow also bordello with everybody inside.
KIlls mayor also for few bucks...

This is so evil even for gta protagonist.

Oh I forget also some very cruel and sadistic ways to deal with people that mama dont like...


I think he would probably nuke whole city I say for 10 000 bucks....

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Payne

i don’t think it’s about money, it’s about having a name.

 

what he did to casa was a awkward/stupid alright, but for what? his mom

 

and he does all those blowing/killing stuff for his boss salvatore.

 

at the end yeah it’s maybe a bit too much

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Self-Destructive Man

I guess we can say he is the more "cold blooded" of all protagonists, more even than Tommy.

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
On 1/23/2020 at 12:58 AM, Self-Destructive Man said:

I guess we can say he is the more "cold blooded" of all protagonists, more even than Tommy.

well Toni is the most sadistic/brutal GTA protagonist in the whole series

and he never felt "REAL" remorse for his actions

so he's obviously a psychopath

not a sociopath like CJ ,Franklin, and Vic

edit: i'll tell you why later

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Payne

This is the kind of psycho i accept as an alright protagonist. Not like trevor that pisses on the cutscenes. Toni acts normal but then butchers his old friend.

 

That’s better than T-fake revor

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
13 hours ago, Payne said:

This is the kind of psycho i accept as an alright protagonist. Not like trevor that pisses on the cutscenes. Toni acts normal but then butchers his old friend.

 

That’s better than T-fake revor

how about Tommy ?

what do you think of Tommy Vercetti ?

is he a sociopath or a psychopath ?

he's obviously a psychopath

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Payne

Tommy is alright, as a psychopath i mean. These guys have some quality, unlike T who literally has no idea what he’s doing.

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NewGuybj

Compared to Trevor, he's a saint.

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Jeansowaty

What the f*ck y'all. He's better than Trevor? What did Trevor do? Toni blew up an entire district densely inhabited by innocent people just for a lousy 5000$, cut up a guy and made a sausage out of him and helped a cannibal by bringing him numerous corpses to devour. He's the most evil GTA protagonist ever.

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1 hour ago, Jeansowaty said:

What the f*ck y'all. He's better than Trevor? What did Trevor do? Toni blew up an entire district densely inhabited by innocent people just for a lousy 5000$, cut up a guy and made a sausage out of him and helped a cannibal by bringing him numerous corpses to devour. He's the most evil GTA protagonist ever.

Also Trevor has like, severe emotional turmoil and existential crises going on from all the stuff he's seen and done. He ponders morality and finds ways to justify his terrible actions or blocks them out with drugs for the sake of his conscience. Toni simply doesn't give a sh*t! Evil to the core.

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universetwisters

Def a sociopath if he’s got no remorse for anything at all

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JetNormalGuy

Thats what I like about him, because I feel like the things I do in freeroam actually is coherent to the character Im playing with unlike lets say niko that says

that he'll quit the criminal life after the final mission but you can still do some f*cked up sh*t with him.

 

Toni 10/10 protagonist, we need more cold blooded people like him in GTA

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16 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said:

Thats what I like about him, because I feel like the things I do in freeroam actually is coherent to the character Im playing with unlike lets say niko that says

that he'll quit the criminal life after the final mission but you can still do some f*cked up sh*t with him.

 

Toni 10/10 protagonist, we need more cold blooded people like him in GTA

I think Niko is one of the few where it is kind of justified because of the way he goes into "battle mode" at times, like a PTSD thing. It's plausible enough that he could snap under the pressure of all his trauma and go on a rampage. It's more ridiculous with most of the other protagonists (besides Trevor who you can easily believe would go into a psychotic rage, and perhaps Johnny since he likes to cause some destruction with his gang and can also get pretty angry) since they're just criminals that don't seem particularly traumatised or rageful and wouldn't have any reason to go on a murder spree. Even with Toni, Tommy and Claude (extremely cold blooded killers) it's a stretch, they might not feel bad about killing people but they wouldn't have much reason to do it randomly. Still I agree it does work better with the more evil/psychopathic ones like Toni than say Franklin though.

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JetNormalGuy
4 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I think Niko is one of the few where it is kind of justified because of the way he goes into "battle mode" at times, like a PTSD thing. It's plausible enough that he could snap under the pressure of all his trauma and go on a rampage. It's more ridiculous with most of the other protagonists (besides Trevor who you can easily believe would go into a psychotic rage, and perhaps Johnny since he likes to cause some destruction with his gang and can also get pretty angry) since they're just criminals that don't seem particularly traumatised or rageful and wouldn't have any reason to go on a murder spree. Even with Toni, Tommy and Claude (extremely cold blooded killers) it's a stretch, they might not feel bad about killing people but they wouldn't have much reason to do it randomly. Still I agree it does work better with the more evil/psychopathic ones like Toni than say Franklin though.

We don't really know what claude is really like, he feels like an empty shell we as players fill up.

About Tommy, yeah he is badass and all but he only kills people who get in his way, and Im pretty sure he won't go full rampage mode just because he had a bad day. (at least according to what he was shown like in GTA VC)

But Toni was shown to be a fully fleshed out psychopath, he chops up some dude just because he hates him all he had to do was shoot him and toss him in the water if he wants to dispose of him but no he chooses the gruesome way just because why the f*ck not. he is one sick puppy, he just looks calm but if you somehow get on his list, you're screwed.

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henrardwal

He's not either a psychopath or a sociopath. A psychopath takes entertainment and pride in harming people. Toni doesn't express guilt about the people he massacres, but nor does he express joy. Sociopaths are literally incapable of feeling emotion, and will only fake feeling emotion when they have something to gain out of it. If this applied to Toni, he wouldn't care about his mother so much. Toni is just a messed up person, to no larger extent than other mafiosi.

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
23 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said:

We don't really know what claude is really like, he feels like an empty shell we as players fill up.

About Tommy, yeah he is badass and all but he only kills people who get in his way, and Im pretty sure he won't go full rampage mode just because he had a bad day. (at least according to what he was shown like in GTA VC)

But Toni was shown to be a fully fleshed out psychopath, he chops up some dude just because he hates him all he had to do was shoot him and toss him in the water if he wants to dispose of him but no he chooses the gruesome way just because why the f*ck not. he is one sick puppy, he just looks calm but if you somehow get on his list, you're screwed.

Claude on the other hand

Does it if he's gonna get paid well for it...

But Thomas (Tommy) just wants power and control

But Cj just want a happy life

And Antonio will only do it if he's gonna enjoy it or be high in his mafia

And both Vic and Niko got dragged into the criminal underworld

While T, Frank, and Michael will do it if it's worthy...

Get it now ?

On 2/19/2020 at 5:54 PM, universetwisters said:

Def a sociopath if he’s got no remorse for anything at all

Here's a little difference between Sociopaths and Psychopaths just to not get confused...

Sociopaths have lack of empathy, guilt, and remorse,  and at the same time, these feelings can be present in some circumstances

But Psychopaths have COMPLETE lack of empathy, guilt, and remorse, 

Get it now ?

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universetwisters

^ yea but the only time he really feels upset is when his mother says he’s a disappointment 

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JetNormalGuy

Yeah shouldn't have called him a psycho just because he shows remorse (sorta kinda) in the church and because his mom thinks he is a shame to the family

 

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
2 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said:

Yeah shouldn't have called him a psycho just because he shows remorse (sorta kinda) in the church and because his mom thinks he is a shame to the family

 

It wasn't real,because if it WAS LEGIT real he would've chosen the first option instead of the second one

Plus, he sort of hates his mom

And what proves that is that one of his in-game quotes is "blame my mother..,i do" meaning that he just wants to satisfy her, it did not upset him, it raged him, and eventually after he's made, his ma calls him and says she's proud of him and calls off the assassination on him

And he just did no emotion after that...

So... he's a psychopath

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JetNormalGuy

All his life was people telling him to get a name for yourself, the only thing he cares about is getting a name, by any means necessary.

His Mom wants him to have a name and not be a shame for the cipriani's

The Sal wants him to become someone big.

thats his only focus.(that and also money seen as he wanted to get payed more in the last mission but only ends up getting 500k  or something)

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
5 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said:

All his life was people telling him to get a name for yourself, the only thing he cares about is getting a name, by any means necessary.

His Mom wants him to have a name and not be a shame for the cipriani's

The Sal wants him to become someone big.

thats his only focus

So does that mean that he feels remorse ?

For me the answer is HELL NO

On 2/22/2020 at 6:55 PM, universetwisters said:

^ yea but the only time he really feels upset is when his mother says he’s a disappointment 

That doesn't mean he's a sociopath however...

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JetNormalGuy

He doesnt feel remorse, he CARES about something which is his name, and I call him a cold blooded psycho because he is ready to do anything he can to reach his goal, even if it means invanding an entire country, just to get a name and respect for himself.

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universetwisters
On 2/23/2020 at 2:18 PM, JetNormalGuy said:

He doesnt feel remorse, he CARES about something which is his name

 

He also cares about his mama, maybe more than himself

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JetNormalGuy
6 hours ago, universetwisters said:

He also cares about his mama

He cares about what his mama thinks about him.

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Ahmedmfroezspeed
On ٢٥ فبراير، ٢٠٢٠ at 1:16 PM, JetNormalGuy said:

He cares about what his mama thinks about him.

He eventually satisfied her after getting made

and also even if he DID feel remorse, it just seemed shallow and short-lived...

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