Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) Let me know your opinion Edited December 27, 2019 by Ahmedmfroezspeed Link to post Share on other sites
Max.pain 1,743 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 he is trevor, just a calm version of him 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 For me... Toni is a psychopath Because he did not feel remorse for killing casa and chopping him up Yes sure he felt remorse while he was in the church but he chose the second option and not the first one Which proves that his remorse was fake, also he blew up half the city in the mission -Bringing down the house- and he did not feel empathy nor remorse , his only response was : "great , don, all I gotta do is just dodge a bunch of whacho italians" and that proves my point, also what makes Toni a psychopath is rampages Well..., Toni is the ONLY protagonist that targeted pedestrians in his rampages, plus There is a rampage on portland where you had to kill 25 leones with a shotgun , seriously how can you kill leones since you are a leone yourself ?! It doesn't make any sense.there's 2 possibilities in this one 1- he did it because of the way how salvatore treated him after returning to liberty city 2- because he gave him half a million instead of 2 million dollars in the end of the game (the scicillian gambit) Well the second possibility isn't true because the rampage existed before the mission slacker for vincenzo So Toni is a psychopath Because of all these reasons Link to post Share on other sites
Max.pain 1,743 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 no need to think that long. other than a few protagonists, all of them are psychos Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 On ٢٨ ديسمبر، ٢٠١٩ at 1:22 PM, Max.pain said: no need to think that long. other than a few protagonists, all of them are psychos Except for CJ... he's a sociopath for me... Link to post Share on other sites
Ondr4H 671 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Well he blow part of city for lousy 5000 dollars. He never really stated, that he has problem with that.Only saying that this sure kills lots of people. He blow also bordello with everybody inside. KIlls mayor also for few bucks... This is so evil even for gta protagonist. Oh I forget also some very cruel and sadistic ways to deal with people that mama dont like... I think he would probably nuke whole city I say for 10 000 bucks.... Edited January 22, 2020 by Ondr4H 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Nappy 1,369 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 i don’t think it’s about money, it’s about having a name. what he did to casa was a awkward/stupid alright, but for what? his mom and he does all those blowing/killing stuff for his boss salvatore. at the end yeah it’s maybe a bit too much Link to post Share on other sites
Self-Destructive Man 1,780 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) I guess we can say he is the more "cold blooded" of all protagonists, more even than Tommy. Edited January 22, 2020 by Self-Destructive Man 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) On 1/23/2020 at 12:58 AM, Self-Destructive Man said: I guess we can say he is the more "cold blooded" of all protagonists, more even than Tommy. well Toni is the most sadistic/brutal GTA protagonist in the whole series and he never felt "REAL" remorse for his actions so he's obviously a psychopath not a sociopath like CJ ,Franklin, and Vic edit: i'll tell you why later Edited January 25, 2020 by Ahmedmfroezspeed Link to post Share on other sites
Nappy 1,369 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 This is the kind of psycho i accept as an alright protagonist. Not like trevor that pisses on the cutscenes. Toni acts normal but then butchers his old friend. That’s better than T-fake revor Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Payne said: This is the kind of psycho i accept as an alright protagonist. Not like trevor that pisses on the cutscenes. Toni acts normal but then butchers his old friend. That’s better than T-fake revor how about Tommy ? what do you think of Tommy Vercetti ? is he a sociopath or a psychopath ? he's obviously a psychopath Link to post Share on other sites
Nappy 1,369 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Tommy is alright, as a psychopath i mean. These guys have some quality, unlike T who literally has no idea what he’s doing. Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuybj 192 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Compared to Trevor, he's a saint. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeansowaty 6,068 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 What the f*ck y'all. He's better than Trevor? What did Trevor do? Toni blew up an entire district densely inhabited by innocent people just for a lousy 5000$, cut up a guy and made a sausage out of him and helped a cannibal by bringing him numerous corpses to devour. He's the most evil GTA protagonist ever. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites
billiejoearmstrong8 5,234 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeansowaty said: What the f*ck y'all. He's better than Trevor? What did Trevor do? Toni blew up an entire district densely inhabited by innocent people just for a lousy 5000$, cut up a guy and made a sausage out of him and helped a cannibal by bringing him numerous corpses to devour. He's the most evil GTA protagonist ever. Also Trevor has like, severe emotional turmoil and existential crises going on from all the stuff he's seen and done. He ponders morality and finds ways to justify his terrible actions or blocks them out with drugs for the sake of his conscience. Toni simply doesn't give a sh*t! Evil to the core. Edited February 14, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
universetwisters 33,937 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Def a sociopath if he’s got no remorse for anything at all Link to post Share on other sites
JetNormalGuy 304 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Thats what I like about him, because I feel like the things I do in freeroam actually is coherent to the character Im playing with unlike lets say niko that says that he'll quit the criminal life after the final mission but you can still do some f*cked up sh*t with him. Toni 10/10 protagonist, we need more cold blooded people like him in GTA 2 Link to post Share on other sites
billiejoearmstrong8 5,234 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said: Thats what I like about him, because I feel like the things I do in freeroam actually is coherent to the character Im playing with unlike lets say niko that says that he'll quit the criminal life after the final mission but you can still do some f*cked up sh*t with him. Toni 10/10 protagonist, we need more cold blooded people like him in GTA I think Niko is one of the few where it is kind of justified because of the way he goes into "battle mode" at times, like a PTSD thing. It's plausible enough that he could snap under the pressure of all his trauma and go on a rampage. It's more ridiculous with most of the other protagonists (besides Trevor who you can easily believe would go into a psychotic rage, and perhaps Johnny since he likes to cause some destruction with his gang and can also get pretty angry) since they're just criminals that don't seem particularly traumatised or rageful and wouldn't have any reason to go on a murder spree. Even with Toni, Tommy and Claude (extremely cold blooded killers) it's a stretch, they might not feel bad about killing people but they wouldn't have much reason to do it randomly. Still I agree it does work better with the more evil/psychopathic ones like Toni than say Franklin though. Edited February 21, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JetNormalGuy 304 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said: I think Niko is one of the few where it is kind of justified because of the way he goes into "battle mode" at times, like a PTSD thing. It's plausible enough that he could snap under the pressure of all his trauma and go on a rampage. It's more ridiculous with most of the other protagonists (besides Trevor who you can easily believe would go into a psychotic rage, and perhaps Johnny since he likes to cause some destruction with his gang and can also get pretty angry) since they're just criminals that don't seem particularly traumatised or rageful and wouldn't have any reason to go on a murder spree. Even with Toni, Tommy and Claude (extremely cold blooded killers) it's a stretch, they might not feel bad about killing people but they wouldn't have much reason to do it randomly. Still I agree it does work better with the more evil/psychopathic ones like Toni than say Franklin though. We don't really know what claude is really like, he feels like an empty shell we as players fill up. About Tommy, yeah he is badass and all but he only kills people who get in his way, and Im pretty sure he won't go full rampage mode just because he had a bad day. (at least according to what he was shown like in GTA VC) But Toni was shown to be a fully fleshed out psychopath, he chops up some dude just because he hates him all he had to do was shoot him and toss him in the water if he wants to dispose of him but no he chooses the gruesome way just because why the f*ck not. he is one sick puppy, he just looks calm but if you somehow get on his list, you're screwed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
E Revere 250 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) He's not either a psychopath or a sociopath. A psychopath takes entertainment and pride in harming people. Toni doesn't express guilt about the people he massacres, but nor does he express joy. Sociopaths are literally incapable of feeling emotion, and will only fake feeling emotion when they have something to gain out of it. If this applied to Toni, he wouldn't care about his mother so much. Toni is just a messed up person, to no larger extent than other mafiosi. Edited February 22, 2020 by henrardwal 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 23 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said: We don't really know what claude is really like, he feels like an empty shell we as players fill up. About Tommy, yeah he is badass and all but he only kills people who get in his way, and Im pretty sure he won't go full rampage mode just because he had a bad day. (at least according to what he was shown like in GTA VC) But Toni was shown to be a fully fleshed out psychopath, he chops up some dude just because he hates him all he had to do was shoot him and toss him in the water if he wants to dispose of him but no he chooses the gruesome way just because why the f*ck not. he is one sick puppy, he just looks calm but if you somehow get on his list, you're screwed. Claude on the other hand Does it if he's gonna get paid well for it... But Thomas (Tommy) just wants power and control But Cj just want a happy life And Antonio will only do it if he's gonna enjoy it or be high in his mafia And both Vic and Niko got dragged into the criminal underworld While T, Frank, and Michael will do it if it's worthy... Get it now ? On 2/19/2020 at 5:54 PM, universetwisters said: Def a sociopath if he’s got no remorse for anything at all Here's a little difference between Sociopaths and Psychopaths just to not get confused... Sociopaths have lack of empathy, guilt, and remorse, and at the same time, these feelings can be present in some circumstances But Psychopaths have COMPLETE lack of empathy, guilt, and remorse, Get it now ? Link to post Share on other sites
universetwisters 33,937 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 ^ yea but the only time he really feels upset is when his mother says he’s a disappointment Link to post Share on other sites
JetNormalGuy 304 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Yeah shouldn't have called him a psycho just because he shows remorse (sorta kinda) in the church and because his mom thinks he is a shame to the family Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said: Yeah shouldn't have called him a psycho just because he shows remorse (sorta kinda) in the church and because his mom thinks he is a shame to the family It wasn't real,because if it WAS LEGIT real he would've chosen the first option instead of the second one Plus, he sort of hates his mom And what proves that is that one of his in-game quotes is "blame my mother..,i do" meaning that he just wants to satisfy her, it did not upset him, it raged him, and eventually after he's made, his ma calls him and says she's proud of him and calls off the assassination on him And he just did no emotion after that... So... he's a psychopath Link to post Share on other sites
JetNormalGuy 304 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 All his life was people telling him to get a name for yourself, the only thing he cares about is getting a name, by any means necessary. His Mom wants him to have a name and not be a shame for the cipriani's The Sal wants him to become someone big. thats his only focus.(that and also money seen as he wanted to get payed more in the last mission but only ends up getting 500k or something) Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said: All his life was people telling him to get a name for yourself, the only thing he cares about is getting a name, by any means necessary. His Mom wants him to have a name and not be a shame for the cipriani's The Sal wants him to become someone big. thats his only focus So does that mean that he feels remorse ? For me the answer is HELL NO On 2/22/2020 at 6:55 PM, universetwisters said: ^ yea but the only time he really feels upset is when his mother says he’s a disappointment That doesn't mean he's a sociopath however... Link to post Share on other sites
JetNormalGuy 304 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 He doesnt feel remorse, he CARES about something which is his name, and I call him a cold blooded psycho because he is ready to do anything he can to reach his goal, even if it means invanding an entire country, just to get a name and respect for himself. Link to post Share on other sites
universetwisters 33,937 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 2:18 PM, JetNormalGuy said: He doesnt feel remorse, he CARES about something which is his name He also cares about his mama, maybe more than himself Link to post Share on other sites
JetNormalGuy 304 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, universetwisters said: He also cares about his mama He cares about what his mama thinks about him. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmedmfroezspeed 277 Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 On ٢٥ فبراير، ٢٠٢٠ at 1:16 PM, JetNormalGuy said: He cares about what his mama thinks about him. He eventually satisfied her after getting made and also even if he DID feel remorse, it just seemed shallow and short-lived... Link to post Share on other sites
