Girish Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 So, the trailer dropped a couple of days ago. I must say I have no idea what the f*ck is going on but I'm intrigued. It seems, with Tenet, Nolan will complete his trifecta of mind-f*ck films after Memento and Inception. What did you guys make of the trailer? Lot of trailer analysis videos already out there, but I'm pretty sure we'll be scratching our heads even long after the film is over. Mister Pink and Ezekiel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awful Waffle Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 assassin-lookin' dudes are scaling the side of a building. one of said-dudes is held down by other dude who forces what looks like a cyanide capsule into his mouth. some dudes be ridin' a boat. said-dude wakes up in a hospital. dude welcomes him to the afterlife and congratulates him on passing the test. said-dude wears fancy clothes and goes into fancy building with some lady to look at a rock. said-dude begins montage of ambiguous action sequences without context. HEY LOOK IT'S ROBERT PATTINSON stuff happens forwards. stuff happens in reverse. so clearly a small group of elite secret assassins use their abilities to manipulate time and space in order to save the world from a fate worse than nuclear annihilation. what's not to understand? seems pretty obvious to me. hashtag breadfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/22/2019 at 12:57 AM, Awful Waffle said: so clearly a small group of elite secret assassins use their abilities to manipulate time and space in order to save the world from a fate worse than nuclear annihilation. what's not to understand? seems pretty obvious to me. hashtag breadfish. Yeah, brilliant. You should be writing movies... ...in bollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awful Waffle Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) to be honest; it's a great trailer. ambiguity is infinitely more interesting than clarity. most movie trailers today are giving away too many details like important character reveals and cameos, major plot twists, or other elements that used to be clever surprises for the audience. the kind of previews they edit today are terrible... they show you the entire story arc... to the point that you can figure out the whole film without having to go and see it. I can actually appreciate how confusing Christopher Nolan intends to be. Edited January 3, 2020 by Awful Waffle wise_man and Girish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm not a huge fan of deliberately being too obtuse for the sake of it. I do appreciate subtext, visual metaphor, mystery and certainly ambiguity found typically in the endings of a lot of world and European arthouse cinema. But then there's the likes of Inception which was just painful for me. I'm more in to motives, character studies and the psychology of characters in films but I found Inception a bit tedious and I get the impression Tenet is going to be the same. Some pretentious "mystery" of interpretation that we can't agree on, or I can't agree on myself to the point I just get annoyed. I could be completely wrong. I'm not sure I like Nolan as much as I thought I did. I thought Dunkirk was a dud too. Didn't care for anyone in that film, really. I guess the story of Inception didn't speak to my tastes so I had little-to-no interest in investing in it. When I do love something, say a series like The Wire or Boardwalk Empire, I do really get invested in it and will watch the series multiple times. So, it's not that I'm without being involved. Just some films are more appealing than others. Actually this is a good read for anyone who doesn't think Inception is a masterpiece, lol http://generalsnobbery.com/filmanalysis/inception Lonely-Martin 1 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙸𝙲 𝙽𝙾𝙽 𝚂𝚃𝙾𝙿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Mister Pink said: Actually this is a good read for anyone who doesn't think Inception is a masterpiece, lol http://generalsnobbery.com/filmanalysis/inception I read through it and do not agree with it. It seems like the writer is grappling at straws to find flaws in the film. Sure, Inception is not the best Nolan movie ever (Even 'The Prestige' was miles better) but it was in no way as bad as the article might have you think. It definitely entertained me enough to make me watch it a second time. Also, Quote Who actually had an emotional response when Harvey Dent became Two Face? (I’m sorry, but thinking “That makeup looks really bad” does not count as an emotional response.) Wait, what? Why would you have an emotional response to Dent becoming Two Face when we already knew what was going to happen? It wasn't a shocker per se. Also, who would even think that that makeup was bad? I'm sorry, but you lose credibility when you make statements like these. /offtopic, I know. I'm sorry. Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Girish said: I read through it and do not agree with it. It seems like the writer is grappling at straws to find flaws in the film. Sure, Inception is not the best Nolan movie ever (Even 'The Prestige' was miles better) but it was in no way as bad as the article might have you think. It definitely entertained me enough to make me watch it a second time. Were there some parts you agreed with? Fair play to you for reading it anyway. I didn't expect anyone would. What I agree with most is Nolan's characters being flat. Same in Dunkirk. It shows me the events and it looks pretty and is impressive but lacking in in character. I found it hard to connect to anyone in those films. There's is no doubt Inception is a curious film and certainly entertaining for some. I tried having this conversation with my partner and she pretty much summed up what you said. That's fair enough. I guess, I'm not saying it's a bad film by any means but that it doesn't appeal to me films that appeal to me are usually more of a human character study. and about people and not "things" so to speak. I'm not a fan really of Superhero films but I thought Nolan's Batman trilogy was exceptional. Keep meaning to see The Prestige. Lonely-Martin 1 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙸𝙲 𝙽𝙾𝙽 𝚂𝚃𝙾𝙿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 18 hours ago, Mister Pink said: What I agree with most is Nolan's characters being flat. Same in Dunkirk. It shows me the events and it looks pretty and is impressive but lacking in in character. I found it hard to connect to anyone in those films. Yeah, I'll somewhat agree to this. Even in The Prestige, you'll find it difficult to have an emotional connect with the characters (I don't want to spoil it for you but there's a particular scene in the beginning that was expected to trigger an emotional response but it didn't). The film was carried by it's engrossing story and the charisma of Bale and Jackman going against each other. Personally, I don't find it necessary to have an emotional connect with the characters in the story to enjoy it, so maybe that's where our disagreement lies. Although, I did tear up a bit when a still young Cooper finally meets his now old, dying daughter Murph at the end of Interstellar. Mister Pink and Lonely-Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Girish said: I don't find it necessary to have an emotional connect with the characters in the story to enjoy it, so maybe that's where our disagreement lies Perhaps this is it. If I may just clarify a bit more what I mean by emotional attachment. A good example would be the character Tony Soprano. I think it would be fair to say most people that viewed The Sopranos would have some emotional attachment to Tony. 'Emotional attachment' is a very broad, I realise. But in the case of Tony Soprano, he's ruthless, a criminal, a murderer, a cancer on society, yet he has these life experiences that many humans can connect with. He suffers from depression, he gets blackouts and we learn that a huge root cause to many of this personality disorders stem from the complexities of the relationship he has with his mother. And many of these familial and psychological factors are universal among humans. He just so happens to be a crime boss. But he and the show was written so well, that the Writers Guild of America voted The Sopranos as the best written TV series. But that's an example of an extraordinarily well-written character, that remains consistent, layered and of course we have the benefit of long-form media (TV series) over a feature film. The reason I brought that up is that when I say emotional attachment, it doesn't mean that the character and I have to share things that I agree with but that there are human or psychological traits, motives and causes that I can at least understand or empathize with. The Sopranos isn't a fair comparison, maybe Arrival would be but in the end, it's all writing. And while we agree that Nolan's character's can be a bit flat, I just thought it is important to clarify not just with you but others that might read this, what I meant by emotional attachment. It's not a binary positive or negative thing, really. It's more just a depth thing. I think I just wanted and convinced myself to like Nolan's movies more than I do but just get left feeling like a bit empty after watching them. And after being so impressed by Batman Triology, I think I'm just coming to terms with the fact that maybe I just don't like his work as much as I thought. Cheers man, you've piqued my interest more in The Prestige. I think it's on Netflix. I'm due a few films to watch. Lonely-Martin and Girish 2 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙸𝙲 𝙽𝙾𝙽 𝚂𝚃𝙾𝙿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Is this The Guy? Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Eh. Haven’t really enjoyed anything Christopher Nolan directed other than the Prestige and his first two Batman movies so probably won’t even bother giving this a watch. I hear good things about Memento but never got around to seeing it. Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARusk Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 "One day I will think of this as just another job. After all, this is what I do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Gonna have to watch it in forward and reverse to understand it... Someone on YT reversed the video of the first trailer while keeping the dialogues and it still made as much sense as the original one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wise_man Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 I hope the film will exceed the expectations, especially after it delayed indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARusk Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 "One day I will think of this as just another job. After all, this is what I do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) So, some of the reviews are in and admittedly, I just read the headline. And out of the two headlines I saw, both said something like "Tenet doesn't make sense but it's fun." This is what we all kind of expected, right? People are enjoying things that don't make much sense to them. That's fine. I enjoy a bit of surrealism but I like my films to make sense. This is why I've gone completely off Nolan. I think it's pretentious cinema. Why is it deliberately obtuse? Is it his goal to confuse people or is he just poor at storytelling? And people will lap it up. Either they don't want to admit that they didn't like it so much and be accused of not getting it or maybe it is enjoyable. But if it doesn't make sense, you are just looking at some visual spectacle. Which isn't surprising given that's kind every super hero film. All spectacle no substance. Maybe it's confirmation bias, but in the middle of writing this, I've watched this reviews and she does kind of confirm what I expected of this film. Maybe people like deliberately obtuse films, but I don't. And sorry to be so negative. It's just something I've been learning over the past 6 months. I thought I was a Nolan fan, but the discovered, I'm not. No disrespect to anyone that enjoys this type of film. They just rub me up the wrong way. Edited September 1, 2020 by Mister Pink Lonely-Martin 1 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙸𝙲 𝙽𝙾𝙽 𝚂𝚃𝙾𝙿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely-Martin Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Yeah, Nolan is so hit and miss for me really. Seen plenty of extras on his films and I find him quite the snobby knob to be fair, lol. Interstellar and The Dark Knight flicks are cracking movies (though Rises I drifted in and out of). Beyond that, I just find his stuff is either great or boring, no middle ground for me. I love me a bit of Leo but even he couldn't save Inception, I don't really enjoy those mind-bendy type flicks. And Dunkirk was absolutely sh*t apart from looking good. I'm in no rush to see this new flick, maybe when it comes on TV. Mister Pink and Arrows to Athens 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said: Yeah, Nolan is so hit and miss for me really. Seen plenty of extras on his films and I find him quite the snobby knob to be fair, lol. Interstellar and The Dark Knight flicks are cracking movies (though Rises I drifted in and out of). Beyond that, I just find his stuff is either great or boring, no middle ground for me. I love me a bit of Leo but even he couldn't save Inception, I don't really enjoy those mind-bendy type flicks. And Dunkirk was absolutely sh*t apart from looking good. I'm in no rush to see this new flick, maybe when it comes on TV. We think very much the same, it's uncanny. 2 hours ago, Indi said: The amount of times I see people trying to explain Inception and then fumble is great. I'm gonna be honest, I kind of get what's going on, but then when I watch it, I'm like... what the f*ck? That's me being honest. I can't tell whether I seriously am missing something or not. I guess I'm the same as everyone else? :D. Yeah dude, I agree. And I think people do get a kick out it. For me, I like metaphor, some subtext that's deliberate but can be interpreted to a point but has a definite meaning even if that meaning has to be unraveled a bit. I think Nolan just tries way too hard. On the plus side, people are praising the visuals in the film. So I might watch it as a curiosity but I'm going to going to see it in the cinema. Kubrickian and Lonely-Martin 2 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙸𝙲 𝙽𝙾𝙽 𝚂𝚃𝙾𝙿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigsters Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I rented tenet from amazon prime last night, it was good, but I watched it sleep deprived and fell asleep during the halfway point, the reverse stuff messed with my head, still have a day or more to view it at amazon prime "You don't understand! I could've had class. I could've been a contender. I could've been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am." On the Waterfront 1954 M.Brando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted April 4, 2021 Author Share Posted April 4, 2021 I watched it on Prime a couple of days back and I have to say, I found it average at best. Not that the premise and concept wasn't good but I don't think it translated well into film at all. Unlike Inception, the film didn't make any major attempts at explaining what was going on and it was mostly left to the viewer to decipher it. And there was barely any character development or making the audience feel connected to the characters in any way... but that's probably all of Nolan's movies. Overall, I had high hopes that amounted to nothing. I definitely don't feel like giving this a second watch... I'd rather read someone else's analysis of what happened and why it happened and be done with it. Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 13 hours ago, Girish said: I watched it on Prime a couple of days back and I have to say, I found it average at best. Not that the premise and concept wasn't good but I don't think it translated well into film at all. Unlike Inception, the film didn't make any major attempts at explaining what was going on and it was mostly left to the viewer to decipher it. And there was barely any character development or making the audience feel connected to the characters in any way... but that's probably all of Nolan's movies. Overall, I had high hopes that amounted to nothing. I definitely don't feel like giving this a second watch... I'd rather read someone else's analysis of what happened and why it happened and be done with it. People have said 2nd viewings helped and they enjoyed it more. I haven't seen it yet. If it's on Prime I might give it a go. 𝙼𝚄𝚂𝙸𝙲 𝙽𝙾𝙽 𝚂𝚃𝙾𝙿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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