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Girish

TENƎꞱ [2020] by Christopher Nolan

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Girish

 

So, the trailer dropped a couple of days ago. I must say I have no idea what the f*ck is going on but I'm intrigued. It seems, with Tenet, Nolan will complete his trifecta of mind-f*ck films after Memento and Inception.

 

What did you guys make of the trailer? Lot of trailer analysis videos already out there, but I'm pretty sure we'll be scratching our heads even long after the film is over.

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Awful Waffle

assassin-lookin' dudes are scaling the side of a building.

one of said-dudes is held down by other dude who forces what looks like a cyanide capsule into his mouth.

some dudes be ridin' a boat.

said-dude wakes up in a hospital.

dude welcomes him to the afterlife and congratulates him on passing the test.

said-dude wears fancy clothes and goes into fancy building with some lady to look at a rock.

said-dude begins montage of ambiguous action sequences without context.

HEY LOOK IT'S ROBERT PATTINSON

stuff happens forwards.

stuff happens in reverse.

 

so clearly a small group of elite secret assassins use their abilities to manipulate time and space in order to save the world from a fate worse than nuclear annihilation. what's not to understand? seems pretty obvious to me. hashtag breadfish.

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Girish
On 12/22/2019 at 12:57 AM, Awful Waffle said:

so clearly a small group of elite secret assassins use their abilities to manipulate time and space in order to save the world from a fate worse than nuclear annihilation. what's not to understand? seems pretty obvious to me. hashtag breadfish.

Yeah, brilliant. You should be writing movies...

 

 

...in bollywood. :p

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to be honest; it's a great trailer.

ambiguity is infinitely more interesting than clarity.

 

most movie trailers today are giving away too many details like important character reveals and cameos, major plot twists, or other elements that used to be clever surprises for the audience.

the kind of previews they edit today are terrible... they show you the entire story arc... to the point that you can figure out the whole film without having to go and see it.

 

I can actually appreciate how confusing Christopher Nolan intends to be.

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Mister Pink

I'm not a huge fan of deliberately being too obtuse for the sake of it. I do appreciate subtext, visual metaphor, mystery and certainly ambiguity found typically in the endings of a lot of world and European arthouse cinema. But then there's the likes of Inception which was  just painful for me. I'm more in to motives, character studies and the psychology of characters in films but I found Inception a bit tedious and I get the impression Tenet is going to be the same. Some pretentious "mystery" of interpretation that we can't agree on, or I can't agree on myself to the point I just get annoyed. I could be completely wrong. I'm not sure I like Nolan as much as I thought I did. I thought Dunkirk was a dud too. Didn't care for anyone in that film, really. I guess the story of Inception didn't speak to my tastes so I had little-to-no interest in investing in it. When I do love something, say a series like The Wire or Boardwalk Empire, I do really get invested in it and will watch the series multiple times. So, it's not that I'm without being involved. Just some films are more appealing than others. 

 

Actually this is a good read for anyone who doesn't think Inception is a masterpiece, lol

 

http://generalsnobbery.com/filmanalysis/inception

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Girish
9 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

Actually this is a good read for anyone who doesn't think Inception is a masterpiece, lol

 

http://generalsnobbery.com/filmanalysis/inception

I read through it and do not agree with it. It seems like the writer is grappling at straws to find flaws in the film. Sure, Inception is not the best Nolan movie ever (Even 'The Prestige' was miles better) but it was in no way as bad as the article might have you think. It definitely entertained me enough to make me watch it a second time.

 

Also,

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Who actually had an emotional response when Harvey Dent became Two Face? (I’m sorry, but thinking “That makeup looks really bad” does not count as an emotional response.)

Wait, what? Why would you have an emotional response to Dent becoming Two Face when we already knew what was going to happen? It wasn't a shocker per se. Also, who would even think that that makeup was bad? I'm sorry, but you lose credibility when you make statements like these.

 

/offtopic, I know. I'm sorry. 😜

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7 hours ago, Girish said:

I read through it and do not agree with it. It seems like the writer is grappling at straws to find flaws in the film. Sure, Inception is not the best Nolan movie ever (Even 'The Prestige' was miles better) but it was in no way as bad as the article might have you think. It definitely entertained me enough to make me watch it a second time.

Were there some parts you agreed with? Fair play to you for reading it anyway. I didn't expect anyone would. What I agree with most is Nolan's characters being flat. Same in Dunkirk. It shows me the events and it looks pretty and is impressive but lacking in in character. I found it hard to connect to anyone in those films. 

 

There's is no doubt Inception is a curious film and certainly entertaining for some. I tried having this conversation with my partner and she pretty much summed up what you said. That's fair enough. I guess, I'm not saying it's a bad film by any means but that it doesn't appeal to me films that appeal to me are usually more of a human character study. and about people and not "things" so to speak.  I'm not a fan really of Superhero films but I thought Nolan's Batman trilogy was exceptional.  Keep meaning to see The Prestige. 

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18 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

What I agree with most is Nolan's characters being flat. Same in Dunkirk. It shows me the events and it looks pretty and is impressive but lacking in in character. I found it hard to connect to anyone in those films. 

Yeah, I'll somewhat agree to this. Even in The Prestige, you'll find it difficult to have an emotional connect with the characters (I don't want to spoil it for you but there's a particular scene in the beginning that was expected to trigger an emotional response but it didn't). The film was carried by it's engrossing story and the charisma of Bale and Jackman going against each other. Personally, I don't find it necessary to have an emotional connect with the characters in the story to enjoy it, so maybe that's where our disagreement lies. Although, I did tear up a bit when a still young Cooper finally meets his now old, dying daughter Murph at the end of Interstellar.

 

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1 hour ago, Girish said:

I don't find it necessary to have an emotional connect with the characters in the story to enjoy it, so maybe that's where our disagreement lies

Perhaps this is it.

 

If I may just clarify a bit more what I mean by emotional attachment. A good example would be the character Tony Soprano. I think it would be fair to say most people that viewed The Sopranos would have some emotional attachment to Tony. 'Emotional attachment' is a very broad, I realise. But in the case of Tony Soprano, he's ruthless, a criminal, a murderer, a cancer on society, yet he has these life experiences that many humans can connect with. He suffers from depression, he gets blackouts and we learn that a huge root cause to many of this personality disorders stem from the complexities of the relationship he has with his mother. And many of these familial and psychological factors are universal among humans. He just so happens to be a crime boss. But he and the show was written so well, that the Writers Guild of America voted The Sopranos as the best written TV series. But that's an example of an extraordinarily well-written character, that remains consistent, layered and of course we have the benefit of long-form media (TV series) over a feature film. The reason I brought that up is that when I say emotional attachment, it doesn't mean that the character and I have to share things that I agree with but that there are human or psychological traits, motives and causes that I can at least understand or empathize with.  The Sopranos isn't a fair comparison, maybe Arrival would be but in the end, it's all writing.

 

And while we agree that Nolan's character's can be a bit flat, I just thought it is important to clarify not just with you but others that might read this, what I meant by emotional attachment. It's not a binary positive or negative thing, really. It's more just a depth thing. I think I just wanted and convinced myself  to like Nolan's movies more than I do but just get left feeling like a bit empty after watching them. And after being so impressed by Batman Triology, I think I'm just coming to terms with the fact that maybe I just don't like his work as much as I thought.

 

Cheers man, you've piqued my interest more in The Prestige. I think it's on Netflix. I'm due a few films to watch. 

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Is this The Guy?

Eh.  Haven’t really enjoyed anything Christopher Nolan directed other than the Prestige and his first two Batman movies so probably won’t even bother giving this a watch.

I hear good things about Memento but never got around to seeing it.

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Girish

Gonna have to watch it in forward and reverse to understand it...

 

Someone on YT reversed the video of the first trailer while keeping the dialogues and it still made as much sense as the original one.

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