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povke

What would have happened if Sweet actually agreed to join the crack business?

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povke

The title says it all. Let's imagine of what would had happened if Sweet had agreed to get Grove Street Families involved to the crack business when in The Introduction Big Smoke said "This ain't a playground craze, man. This is the biggest money-making opportunity that guys like us will ever see." and Sweet had told something like this: "Man, you're right. Maybe our principles really made us bitches. Maybe under this opportunity we can bring all families together again, homie. So what's your plan?" So Sweet actually gave up his principles and decided to turn Grove Street Families into selling crack. Here's what I think would had happened:

 

Next day Big Smoke called Tenpenny and told that there was no need to assasinate Sweet since he already agreed. As a result, Beverly would had never been killed and CJ probably never returned from Liberty City. Tenpenny's plan would had been to make all gangs in Los Santos cooperate in this business. So the first thing Sweet would had done would had been to reunite Grove Street, Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive Families in order to make the business go easier. Probably all families would had agreed since they knew that this was the biggest money making opportunity. Plus in the actual story, we never get to know if they families were also anti-crack. According to Tenpenny's plan, the second thing would had been to make Families, Ballas, Los Santos Vagos, Russian Mafia and even Varrio Los Aztecas cooperate together in the business. As a result, since all the gangs would had cooperated, gangbanging in the city would had been from almost to absolutely over. The rivarly between Ballas and Famillies would had finally been over after all those years. When it came to Cesar Vialpando whether or not to agree with the cooperation, he'd probably had refused and stayed in gangbanging (just like Sweet in the actual story). As a result, he'd had been assasinated or even his whole gang killed. Later, just like in the actual story, Loco Syndicate would had also joined the empire as the main crack suppliers and San Fierro Rifa since their leader T-Bone Mendez was also thr co-leader of the Syndicate. Only Triads and Da Nang Boys in San Fierro wouldn't had get involved in the business. Since later the empire's business would had gotten bigger and bigger, it's very possible that Leone, Forelli, Sindacco families would had also decided to join the business and get crack supplied from the empire since they saw that there was still no crack business in Las Venturas, so it's sell would had brough them money as big as never before. As a final result, even though the whole San Andreas state would had finally gotten rid of gangbanging, but the crack epidemy would had been spread all around the state and even the police would never had been able to stop it. I'm sure that later Da Nang Boys also had decided to join the business. Only Triads wouldn't had and as a result, they had gotten to weak to maintain power in the streets.

 

So here's what I think of what would had happened.

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lil weasel

The Game might  not be available, with an Adult Only (AO) rating.

 

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Ricbit

I agree with this theory, but what Lil Weasel says is true. Also; I find it a bit boring for a GTA San Andreas that only focuses on Drugs :whuh:

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Max.pain

 

13 hours ago, povke said:

Next day Big Smoke called Tenpenny and told that there was no need to assasinate Sweet since he already agreed.

 in the canon(original story), smoke did try to kill sweet right? but wouldn’t it be easier to shoot him from back?

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Evil empire

The main.scm woud be different.

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Eriahslon

In my view,Smoke and Tenpenny would try to get the OGs of the Ballas to make peace with the Groves,connecting the Grove and making them the new kid on the block of crack dealing with the Loco Syndicate,Forelli Crime Family,Vercetti Crime Family etc.With Los Santos becoming a crack filled city,it would most likely beat the competition that there is with Vercetti's Empire.

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povke
2 hours ago, Eriahslon said:

In my view,Smoke and Tenpenny would try to get the OGs of the Ballas to make peace with the Groves,connecting the Grove and making them the new kid on the block of crack dealing with the Loco Syndicate,Forelli Crime Family,Vercetti Crime Family etc.With Los Santos becoming a crack filled city,it would most likely beat the competition that there is with Vercetti's Empire.

I think that it'd be great to see an alternate story of the huge crack empire of Families (Grove Street, Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive), Ballas (Kilo Tray, Front Yard, Rollin' Heights and Temple Drive), Los Santos Vagos, Russian Mafia, San Fierro Rifa, Loco Syndicate, Forelli Crime Family, Leone Crime Family, Sindacco Crime Family and Vercetti Gang. In San Andreas, only Varrio Los Aztecas, Triads and Da Nang Boys wouldn't had joined the empire. So the crack would've had spread not only in whole San Andreas, but also all around Liberty City and Vice City. Big Smoke would had been Pablo Escobar's prototype. You'd play as Cesar Vialpando who almost had been assasinated by the other Aztecas who were interested in joining the empire. Your destination would be to destroy the biggest crack empire in the world. That'd be so cool.

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Vanzant

Well i guess the "Yay" would leave San Fierro without the need of cross country and fast bikes...

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Official General
On 12/14/2019 at 9:31 PM, povke said:

I think that it'd be great to see an alternate story of the huge crack empire of Families (Grove Street, Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive), Ballas (Kilo Tray, Front Yard, Rollin' Heights and Temple Drive), Los Santos Vagos, Russian Mafia, San Fierro Rifa, Loco Syndicate, Forelli Crime Family, Leone Crime Family, Sindacco Crime Family and Vercetti Gang. In San Andreas, only Varrio Los Aztecas, Triads and Da Nang Boys wouldn't had joined the empire. So the crack would've had spread not only in whole San Andreas, but also all around Liberty City and Vice City. Big Smoke would had been Pablo Escobar's prototype. You'd play as Cesar Vialpando who almost had been assasinated by the other Aztecas who were interested in joining the empire. Your destination would be to destroy the biggest crack empire in the world. That'd be so cool.

I personally would have preferred that myself.

 

That is why I use drug-dealing mods like Blackmarket ! lol

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Eriahslon
On 12/14/2019 at 10:31 PM, povke said:

I think that it'd be great to see an alternate story of the huge crack empire of Families (Grove Street, Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive), Ballas (Kilo Tray, Front Yard, Rollin' Heights and Temple Drive), Los Santos Vagos, Russian Mafia, San Fierro Rifa, Loco Syndicate, Forelli Crime Family, Leone Crime Family, Sindacco Crime Family and Vercetti Gang. In San Andreas, only Varrio Los Aztecas, Triads and Da Nang Boys wouldn't had joined the empire. So the crack would've had spread not only in whole San Andreas, but also all around Liberty City and Vice City. Big Smoke would had been Pablo Escobar's prototype. You'd play as Cesar Vialpando who almost had been assasinated by the other Aztecas who were interested in joining the empire. Your destination would be to destroy the biggest crack empire in the world. That'd be so cool.

Now that's a great concept.I can imagine the Aztecas and Triads making a alliance so their territories don't get busted up due to the lack of economic levels,then much later in the storyline you attempt to assassinate the new Don of the Forelli and Sindacco Crime Families and attacking Ballas,GSF and Vagos turfs and attempting to put the nail on the coffin and the end to the drug-trades between LC,VC and SA.

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Lioshenka

Hang on, did Tenpenny plan to assassinate Sweet or am I missing something?

 

To answer OP's question: Tings would be different.

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CJ would probably have seen the damage that the drugs do to his mates a a much later stage. He'd talk to Sweet, who'd threaten to kill him if he didn't comply. CJ escapes to the countryside and the game continues more or less as before. During the last stage of the game you get to kill Sweet together with Big Smoke. All in all a good result, as I wanted to shoot the annoying bastard in his stupid face for many a year now.

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Official General

To directly answer the OP's question, honestly not much would have changed.

 

The Families were already engaged in murderous, bloody gang wars with Ballas over turf, which is pretty much what happens in the crack trade anyway. That is why I believe the anti-crack dealing mentality of the Families never made much sense and was a trifle stupid. 

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KingD19
On 12/14/2019 at 12:43 PM, Evil empire said:

The main.scm woud be different.

I love how everybody is adding their Long theory’s and you simply say this LMAO!

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Ballas King

Then CJ would never even bother to reunite the GSF and will live with his new luxury in SF and LV. He never wanted to be a gangbanger in the first place, thats why he left the hoods in 1987 and only came back after his mother's murder. He did all the sh*tts for Toreno just to free Sweet and tried to convince Sweet to leave the hood but it was after Sweet's persistence he again sets to rebuild the GSF. If Sweet too decided to leave GSF.,CJ would simply just continue to be in LV with his casino, Sweet will either live with CJ or join Smoke (the crack business), GSF was washed up and would never be revived, Ballas will remain the strongest gang in LS. But disloyalty isn't Sweet's characteristic except for the one time he was so strained B Dup's girl nearly made him take the crack but other thanthat he has 0 tendency to join the crack business.

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Grotti Vigilante

No doubt that eventually there would be a serious power struggle. Drug dealing can be very lucrative as a business, and in the end I doubt the lifelong conflict between the Families and Ballas would end over a truce. Eventually one party would be very unsatisfied with having to share power and money, and would likely start an internal conflict just to take it all for themselves.
 

Even though Tenpenny may have wanted the gangs to cooperate as stated by the OP, he was not running the show. As a public servant he’d need to save face and more likely work with one family to sort out the incident rather than force a truce. For him, it doesn’t matter. That way he could frame it as dealing with gang violence and eliminating some of them, when in reality all he would be doing is giving one gang a monopoly on the drug trade. 

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Ronald Reagan

Grove Street Gang would mean something and they would all die eventually in 2000's.

 


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zmudziak32

Grove Street would not seperate into 3 factions. Cut Big Bear dialogue proves that Sweet was passive when Ballas and Vagos gain more influnce and couldnt maintain GSF as 1 set. Tenpenny forced Smoke to either convice Sweet join drug business or he will send death squad and make BS as leader of GSF. We can see after leaving LS, that Grove Street didnt vanquish, but absent of Sweet and CJ made Smoke new leader of GSF and they were used as couriers. Tenpenny followed CJ during story and keep CJ busy with CRASH dirty work and Smoke controlling Ballas and Vagos ruled LS. Vagos in return of joining forces with Smoke and Tenpenny could take over Aztecas hood without problem.
I think Rockstar planned that CJ was ok with drugs.

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Big_Smiley
21 hours ago, zmudziak32 said:

We can see after leaving LS, that Grove Street didnt vanquish, but absent of Sweet and CJ made Smoke new leader of GSF and they were used as couriers.

After these events that took place of CJ leaving LS, this would have acutally made a grate storyline on certain Grove ST sets becoming enemies again after certain sets were getting pressured by CRASH officers and rival gang members on joining the crack business. If they didn't then they would be rushed and checked in with on-going violence. Especially for any GSF homie still living in Grove Street which during this time is occupied by the Ballas. For example lets say the "Temple Drive Family Set" saw this as an opportunity to make money due to Sweet not being in controll of all the sets and put every set check by telling them NO DRUG BUSINESS. From there the Temple Familes would now be with the crack game. Once CJ gets back from LS sees how much sh*t has changed. He gets a word by the remaining OG's that temple family has betrayed the original gang standards. CJ cruises by Temple drive and witness a fat GSF homie shooting at Carl...etc...This would only last for a short time though, making it unique to see these GSF's homies act  aggressive towards Carl. If only this was explored more with the Seville set. There wasn't much to be said on this as they don't even attack Carl from the normal game on. It would have definitely been a unique moment in SA's story line.

 

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