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Jimbatron

YouTube copyright claim by "Illustrated Sound Music"

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Jimbatron

Has anyone else encountered this?

 

A load of my GTAO videos have had copyright claims made against them by "illustrated sound music". It's basically the GTAO dynamic scores. My hunch is someone has tried to fool YouTube that they own the rights and can thus fraudulently claim revenue from tons of videos. Or is this R* doing it through a third party?

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YELLOW DOG WITH CONE

If I'm not mistaken, several GTA youtubers like @Happy Hunter and @GhillieMaster have been hit with copyright claims by said user too.

 

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Jimbatron
18 minutes ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

If I'm not mistaken, several GTA youtubers like @Happy Hunter and @GhillieMaster have been hit with copyright claims by said user too.

 

Presumably fraudulent. How do you dispute this? Because there isn’t an option to say “this person isn’t the copyright holder”.

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GhillieMaster
48 minutes ago, Jimbatron said:

Has anyone else encountered this?

 

A load of my GTAO videos have had copyright claims made against them by "illustrated sound music". It's basically the GTAO dynamic scores. My hunch is someone has tried to fool YouTube that they own the rights and can thus fraudulently claim revenue from tons of videos. Or is this R* doing it through a third party?

Yeah so the strange thing is I went into video manager to look at the video that was claimed... And there was no copyright claim on it even though I did get an email about it. So im not sure what is going on. I sure hope its not legitimate because I use the GTA Online music in almost all of my videos xD

 

Edit: Nvm. It says the channel claimant is Champx Arcade who claimed it. I looked up his channel. It is most definitely fraudulent...

 

Edit 2: Not to mention there is no music... Its only 40 seconds of a heist cutscene and me talking over it on one of my livestreams

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Sky_Light12

i can assure you that most of these claims out of blue are fraud
heck thefatrat even got striked on his own music

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Jimbatron
29 minutes ago, GhillieMaster said:

Yeah so the strange thing is I went into video manager to look at the video that was claimed... And there was no copyright claim on it even though I did get an email about it. So im not sure what is going on. I sure hope its not legitimate because I use the GTA Online music in almost all of my videos xD

 

Edit: Nvm. It says the channel claimant is Champx Arcade who claimed it. I looked up his channel. It is most definitely fraudulent...

 

Edit 2: Not to mention there is no music... Its only 40 seconds of a heist cutscene and me talking over it on one of my livestreams

 

3 minutes ago, Sky_Light12 said:

i can assure you that most of these claims out of blue are fraud
heck thefatrat even got striked on his own music

Thanks for the replies. What’s the best way to dispute this?

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Sky_Light12

i am not quite sure

i only got fraud strike for once , so i can't say exactly the best way to dispute the claim
i just put my reasoning are that the music's from NCS

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B7R

It's real nasty how we still have people rorting the copyright system, including going as far as launching false DMCA / Copyright claims on content that they don't even legally have the rights themselves. Unfortunately being on the smaller side of Youtube you'll find yourself stuck between rocks when it comes to dealing with the claim, even if in the end your the one that's in the right and the claimant is in the wrong. 

 

In an Ideal world there would be some verification stages you'd need to go through before launching a claim, if you can verify that the content is yours and was used In an inappropriate manner then your allowed to go through and launch a claim.  The other thing you could do was get a lawyer involved and have them deal with Google / Youtube from there providing again things that verify your claim and the claim would hopefully be considered valid with the right evidence and proof.

 

The problem I've read through (can't 100% confirm) is that Youtube has no say in DMCA / Copyright claims, they have to pass it on. They can remove videos but they can't just unfortunately say "Oh this claimant is launching a claim against UserXYZ's video for what ever reason" and not pass it on. Sadly the way these stupid systems are designed, their designed to be in favour of the claimant even if their full of sh*t. I'd blame the ancient laws & loops holes for this mess in the first place, also the fact if you know the right people they can pull some strings and screw you over and you have no resource or backup.

 

When it comes to proving your case, I swear your dealing with some AI robot that google themselves designed and if you so much as word something incorrectly or make a simple mistake in your case, the system decides your in the wrong and you can have a strike put against your Youtube account. I can't confirm this but with how big Youtube is, I doubt they have millions of legal officers standing by to respond to your case, unless of course your a big Youtuber with 1 Million subs and cause a sh*tstorm then Youtube will probably get in touch with you then... hopefully. 

 

Launching a claim is no joking matter either, I'm not a lawyer but this is the legal waters your going into when you decide to launch a claim. Filing false claims could also end you up in legal trouble but good luck having the time and money to shut these copyright trolls down because as soon as one is down, the next just start back up. Their probably wanting to fight tooth & nail to screw you over as they know the system works out in their favour versus you, I'd probably suspect they also hide behind a few barriers to protect themselves so that adds more stress and trouble with dealing with them.

 

It's bullsh*t I know, I've been hit with fraudulent claims in the past and even after proving my case I was still found guilty so had a strike put against my account. Anyone that can shut these trolls down has my best wishes and luck.

 

 

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Sky_Light12

these guys even went far as stealing someone's work then renaming them as their own

 

yikes

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B7R

I'm probably talking out of my ass and you probably don't need too but for your sake I'd see if you can seek basic legal advice on dealing with the matter if your not 100% sure how to deal with it yourself. With the right mind you probably could deal with it yourself but if your feeling nervous and have a high feeling it's not going to work out, then yes I'd be seeking some legal advice as to how to go through with things for now. I doubt you have the ability to drag the claimant to court and the legal costs and fees are probably going to outweigh everything so I'd just stick to now for the time being getting advice on how you could deal with your case.

 

As I mentioned in my other post (and while I can't verify myself), if your side of the story isn't pitch perfect, your probably going to have Youtube or the claimant deny your side (can't remember how it goes since it's been a while). Youtube will then award you with a strike against your channel and Mr claimant get's their wish of screwing you over.

 

I think you do get a few chances to dispute the claimant but if they all get rejected, Youtube decides in their favour and your the one out of luck. Again it's screwed I know but not much you can do unless you had a whole lot of money and a powerful youtube channel at your disposal. 

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Jimbatron

Thanks for the considered replies all.

 

@B7R I’m not making enough money out of my channel to pay for proper legal advice. It’s a nice little earner, about 2 years I can probably get enough from it to upgrade my PC components.

 

There is an obvious way to get around this - YouTube allows you to remove the audio that there’s a claim against (the GTA O dynamic scores). But that will reduce the quality of my videos so I’d prefer not to if there is another way.

 

I thought about alerting R* (as effectively someone has fraudulently claimed copyright on their IP) to it but the chances of them doing something about it feel slim.

 

The other thing I’d like to do is alert YouTube or other appropriate authority to the fact that “Illustrated Sound Music” are not legit. But unsure what channels to do this by as it’s not obvious who they are. There is an Illustrated Sound channel on YT but this may not be the same people.

 

I could dispute the claim but I don’t want to risk a copyright strike if as said it’s handled by automation.

 

But when you think about it this could be a huge con. They could be doing this on possibly millions of GTA O videos with dynamic scores that R* haven’t registered as their copyright.

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Jimbatron

Just a small update, this is quite large scale as tons of people on reddit, twitter and YT are complaining. The culprits are claiming it's a glitch and are promising to release the claims:

https://twitter.com/illustratedsnd/status/1202021971921235968?s=20

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Kiethblacklion

I had a similar issue with one of my videos. However, I get all of my video music from Audionautix.com.

 

The owner of the site makes all the music specifically to be used for YouTube and apparently, a "professional" musician used a piece of music from the site for a song he released. The website owner states on the website that this is perfectly ok as long as you don't try to stop others from using the same music piece (aka, don't claim ownership of it). One of my videos had that same piece of music for the video score and either the musician or the record label tried to claim copyright ownership. I filed a rebuke through Youtube giving a link to the music site and quoting the site owner's policy. I also contacted the site owner and forwarding him the complaint that I received and he also contacted Youtube. In the end, the claim was removed from my video and the musician's video was removed from Youtube.

 

 

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Sky_Light12
4 hours ago, Jimbatron said:

Thanks for the considered replies all.

 

@B7R I’m not making enough money out of my channel to pay for proper legal advice. It’s a nice little earner, about 2 years I can probably get enough from it to upgrade my PC components.

 

There is an obvious way to get around this - YouTube allows you to remove the audio that there’s a claim against (the GTA O dynamic scores). But that will reduce the quality of my videos so I’d prefer not to if there is another way.

 

I thought about alerting R* (as effectively someone has fraudulently claimed copyright on their IP) to it but the chances of them doing something about it feel slim.

 

The other thing I’d like to do is alert YouTube or other appropriate authority to the fact that “Illustrated Sound Music” are not legit. But unsure what channels to do this by as it’s not obvious who they are. There is an Illustrated Sound channel on YT but this may not be the same people.

 

I could dispute the claim but I don’t want to risk a copyright strike if as said it’s handled by automation.

 

But when you think about it this could be a huge con. They could be doing this on possibly millions of GTA O videos with dynamic scores that R* haven’t registered as their copyright.

i see
do you have no problem with the whole COPPA ?

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oleg_aka_djmeg

I also got a few false claims by these people on a couple of my old streams that didn't have any music in it at all:

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Content used: YouTube  video feed, Import Export DLC (when heisting)... Fuсking what?

This is what they claimed:

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YouTube video feed (timestamp too)

 

 

 

 

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I filed a dispute for one of the videos, not expecting anything from it really... I hope it blows in their fuсking face. There is no way these claims are not fraudulent given they have an entry called YouTube video feed...

BTW GTA is not the only game they do this with. This guy got hit by their false claims for Bioshock:

 

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B7R
6 hours ago, Jimbatron said:

The culprits are claiming it's a glitch

Yeah no I'm not buying it, not for a second, this sh*t was done on purpose and they know it. Their only coming out now to save face because of the backlash, if it was one or two small time youtubers going against these scumbags, you can bet these assholes would stay silent and not release the false claims against the videos. 

 

Also they were still hitting people with claims after they apparently made their tweet. They really they should've had their copyright claim privileges put on hold until the matter was 100% resolved. I don't know if Youtube can suspend claim privileges since your dealing with copyright and essentially legal matters here but I  think there should be something in place where if fraudulent claims are made no matter the size or target that the claimant can no longer launch copyright claims against channels. If they want to abuse a legal tool to their hearts content then they deserve to lose access and privileges to use said tool. Enough Youtubers have been f*cked over by Copyright claim trolls and history just keeps repeating itself every week with another copyright troll popping up and claiming videos that they hold no copyright or relevancy with. 

 

Yet for us.. we're forced to fight tooth and nail to prove our case and could lose everything with the so slightest mistake, yet these idiots abuse the system and there's no repercussions. Apparently saying "Sorry" & "It's a glitch" makes Youtube forgive these idiots and reinstate their claim privileges. 

 

Super Edit: After I made this post, I apparently found some tweets that had said people had their claims resolved only to be hit with them again on the same videos, I don't know if that's true but wouldn't surprise me. 

 

5 hours ago, oleg_aka_djmeg said:

BTW GTA is not the only game they do this with. This guy got hit by their false claims for Bioshock:

Watch_Dogs & Call of Duty was also affected according to a Reddit post.  Next you're going to be telling me their going after Minecraft videos for having Minecrafts own music in it

 

10 hours ago, Jimbatron said:

 

@B7R I’m not making enough money out of my channel to pay for proper legal advice. It’s a nice little earner, about 2 years I can probably get enough from it to upgrade my PC components.

Fair enough, I just suggested that should you have had wanted a legal leg to stand on and make these idoits know your not screwing around and falling for their sh*t.  I probably should've added as well that just because you seeked legal advice that it wasn't going to make it a guaranteed win in your favour either. 

 

 

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Jimbatron

@B7R I find it interesting that my top video with 2m views wasn't hit. The ones under 100k were. That's despite the fact some of the content is the same.

 

My suspicion is it's easier for them to steal $1 from 100,000 small people than rob $1,000 from 100 big fish.

 

I'm not sure how it works, but it certainly seems like it's too easy for someone to bogusly claim copyright on content that isn't theirs. There should be proof standards. I get that big music studios don't want their content distributed for free - they'd go out of business - but it's ridiculous if any joker can claim "that's mine" without proper checks.

 

6 hours ago, Sky_Light12 said:

i see
do you have no problem with the whole COPPA ?

No, no problem with COPPA at all. This is someone fraudulently claiming they have the copyright on Rockstar cutscenes. I double checked, it's things like the Pac Standard Finale scripted video sequences.

 

@oleg_aka_djmeg I can sympathise. It's a bit of a shambles to be honest. I've filed one dispute under fair use on my most viewed video that got hit, stating the claiming does not own any copyright as it is a gameplay video with my own unique footage. Will see what happens....

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Lonely-Martin

Sounds like a right mess, good luck @Jimbatron. Crazy times!

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Sky_Light12

lets just hope whoever in charge of youtube didn't wind up suspend channel that got hit by fraud claims

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Jimbatron
7 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Sounds like a right mess, good luck @Jimbatron. Crazy times!

Cheers. It's no biggie to be honest for me, I can't live a life off my YT earnings. But I like the recipricol nature of it. Every couple of years I can buy a new graphics card or console out of it, so it's a bit like my hobby pays for itself - that is, if some C U Next Tuesday isn't pinching my pocket money!

 

Obviously if R*/T2 filed a claim I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But I doubt they would, I guess they'd rather have the free publicity or millions of user promoting their games at no cost to them. The thing is this fraud will have hit thousands of small time people. I bet it's a seven figure sum in total over a few days, based on how many people are complaining on social media.

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B7R

I read somewhere (Think Youtube or Wikipedia) that automated claims are matched against a 3rd party database and if it matches up, the video uploader get's the notification they've had a company launch a claim against their video. 

 

So if these are automated, have no music and let's say your own voice, What exactly are they claiming? Sound effects in the video? The series of still images that are manipulated to make it a moving video? If it's the 2nd one I think Rockstar or Ubisoft would have something to say with Illustrated since I've head & read over the years that any images you take in-game, R* still hold the rights to it or something like that (again I might be wrong). Therefor if it's the 2nd case then this is 100% pure abuse & a false claim as Illustrated sound aren't Rockstar and hold no legal rights to Rockstars Content which means they shouldn't be filling out this sh*t in the first place (unless of course contracted by them to act on their behalf but I think Take Two takes care of that). I guess as long as you put yourself in the Copyright & DMCA claims sector it doesn't matter what content you file claims on including content you hold no relevancy or legal rights too.

 

As for manual claims if Illustrated was chucking any, I don't know where to start

 

Anyway If you want to be the company who cried wolf and filed false claims, then you absolutely deserve to have your legal claiming privileges revoked. I think Youtube should also grow a pair too at this point and fight for the ability to withdraw claiming privileges from companies or people filling out constant false claims against other Youtubers. 

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Happy Hunter

I had one from Illustrated Sound Music. They removed it after the backlash though. So while reprehensible, I'm not that angry at them. In the rear view mirror.

 

Now on the other hand, AdRev Publishing and CD Baby Sync Publishing are trying to claim that by having a single track from Doom II in a video, that one simple drum beat is somehow a copy of three other songs at the same time. That really pisses me off. Hopefully terrible things happen to them.

 

Unfortunately since ISM is getting the attention, smaller thieving vultures like them are slipping under the radar.

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Jimbatron
12 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

I had one from Illustrated Sound Music. They removed it after the backlash though. So while reprehensible, I'm not that angry at them. In the rear view mirror.

 

Now on the other hand, AdRev Publishing and CD Baby Sync Publishing are trying to claim that by having a single track from Doom II in a video, that one simple drum beat is somehow a copy of three other songs at the same time. That really pisses me off. Hopefully terrible things happen to them.

 

Unfortunately since ISM is getting the attention, smaller thieving vultures like them are slipping under the radar.

I can confirm Illustrated Sound Music have withdrawn their claim on my videos too now.

 

Sorry to hear about these other jokers plaguing you @Happy Hunter - they definitely need a hellfire missile up the jaxie.

 

On a note I've got a claim from Audiam on my 2 hour Cops 'n Crook GTA IV feature film, because it has "The Soviet Connection" by Michael Hunter in it. But that was the main theme tune for GTA IV, so I doubt they are doing it on behalf of R*. So that leads to the question, does Michael Hunter now have the ability to claim royalties (and if so are they genuinely representing him), or are Audiam taking the p155 because they can get away with it?

 

Whatever, the system needs to be overhauled. There should be definitive proof that you legally own the copyright before you can start making claims. I'm not sure how this ISM debacle happened, but presumably their network got credited to owning the rights automatically to content they clearly didn't. If fraud is this easy, you can be sure more people will try it.

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flexcreator

Why don't you guys simply turn off the in-game radio while you play?

 

I didn't encounter any of the presented issues.

However,  it's a BUG of the system and it will the copyright claims should be revoked automatically within 48 hours

 

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More info:

https://gamingph.com/2019/12/youtubers-hit-by-false-copyright-claim-by-illustrated-sound-music/

 

 

 

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Sky_Light12

i believe in-game radios can't be recorded on all platform

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Jimbatron
2 hours ago, flexcreator said:

Why don't you guys simply turn off the in-game radio while you play?

 

I didn't encounter any of the presented issues.

However,  it's a BUG of the system and it will the copyright claims should be revoked automatically within 48 hours

 

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More info:

https://gamingph.com/2019/12/youtubers-hit-by-false-copyright-claim-by-illustrated-sound-music/

 

 

 

I normally turn them off - it’s not the in game radio music that’s the problem here. Cut scenes were being flagged as ISM’s copyright. I suppose one of their partners uploaded some GTAO videos then an algorithm falsely identified them as their copyright. At first I thought it was the dynamic scores they’d claimed, but it was actual video content.

5 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

https://support.rockstargames.com/articles/200153756/Policy-on-posting-copyrighted-Rockstar-Games-material

 

Wonder if it's worth it to contact Take-Two (I guess who manage claims and copyright) via the email address in that support article.

This is probably a good idea. They should register their content as their copyright. That doesn’t mean they have to make claims on gameplay videos, but if they register it, it stops other people from fraudulently doing so.

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Happy Hunter

AdRev Publishing and CD Baby Sync Publishing still won't leave that video. Can't file a dispute without saying my channel can be nuked if it goes wrong. Seeing as apparently the dispute goes to the company making the claim, it's bound to go wrong.

 

Considering demonetising it entirely, sending the unlisted link to a few people. If no ads appear - I'm fine making nothing off it just so long as they don't lol.

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3 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

AdRev Publishing and CD Baby Sync Publishing still won't leave that video. Can't file a dispute without saying my channel can be nuked if it goes wrong. Seeing as apparently the dispute goes to the company making the claim, it's bound to go wrong.

 

Considering demonetising it entirely, sending the unlisted link to a few people. If no ads appear - I'm fine making nothing off it just so long as they don't lol.

I don't think your channel gets nuked in such situation. You get a strike if you dispute the same claim on the same video twice and the claimant disagrees with your dispute. And you have to do that 3 times to get 3 strikes. So I think you can try to dispute one of those claims and see how it goes.

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Ghoffman9

I don't know how long you been on Youtube but most know that Youtube doesn't give two sh*ts about the users. They capitulate to corporations, they're hard at work removing the You from Youtube. They as of late been prioritizing corporations and celebrities for the recommended section when the site used to be about the little guy.

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