Things people believe that are wrong.

[KingAJ032304]

This post is about things people believe or think but are actually wrong.

 

Claude did NOT shoot Maria. It was the audio of a gunshot to end GTA III like you see in the movies

 

Claude and Tommy can swim and have their own respective reasons why they down (oil spill and sharks/storms)

 

In no gta game is the ak/ruger better than the m4. The M4 beats or rivals the AK-47/ruger in every way except in GTA 3 where the AK had auto aim (which is subjective) while in GTA SA the skill level raises faster.

 

Cars are more fragile in VC than III (prior to double health of course) and it's just that the cars have a lower threshold requirement to smoke in GTA 3 than VC.

 

Silencers in GTA V do not reduce damage nor range whatsoever even having a "1.0"x damage multiplier in the files.

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by KingAJ032304

[billiejoearmstrong8]

7 hours ago, KingAJ032304 said:

 

 

In no gta game is the ak/ruger better than the m4. The M4 beats or rivals the AK-47/ruger in every way except in GTA 3 where the AK had auto aim (which is subjective) while in GTA SA the skill level raises faster.

 

In GTA IV while the M4 has a faster rate of fire and better accuracy, the AK is more powerful. So which is better is debatable. That's not even taking into account that "better" can mean different things (for example to me the AK sounds better, looks better and is more satisfying to use so along with the extra power I consider it the better weapon).

 

- That Roman calls you to go bowling excessively. In fact Roman calls no more often than any other friend and suggests bowling no more often than any other activity. Since drinking and strip club are available activities for all friends and who calls and which activity suggested is random you're more likely to get invited to them than bowling. 

 

 

 

[Algonquin Assassin]

1 minute ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

- That Roman calls you to go bowling excessively. In fact Roman calls no more often than any other friend and suggests bowling no more often than any other activity. Since drinking and strip club are available activities for all friends and who calls and which activity suggested is random you're more likely to get invited to them than bowling. 

I was going to say something similar, but in regards to the hangouts in general. I don't know where the "they call every 5 minutes" complaint came from, but it's excessive and over the top. This can be crushed by the fact the game has a "sleep mode" so people have no excuse if they don't like friends/girlfriends calling. In saying that sometimes I've had them call as soon as I've started up the game and other times I can go an hour (real time) without getting a single phone call in free roam with sleep mode turned off.

 

It's hardly this like clockwork phenomenon people make it seem. It feels infrequent where the calls occur randomly and don't stick to a set procedure, but I agree about Roman. He doesn't call that often in my saves to go bowling. Usually I flip the switch and call him to go bowling. 

[DOUGL4S1]

Niko is Russian/Serbian/whatever.

 

I think the Housers tried to make Niko's home country irrelevant, we only know he's from somewhere in Eastern Europe/Balkans, and he most likely fought in the Yugoslav wars.

 

Oh, and the fact he speaks Serbian doesn't necessarelly means he's from Serbia! I mean, second languages are a thing that exist. I'm typing in English, doesn't mean I'm from the UK.

 

**Grabs popcorn**

Edited December 3, 2019 by DOUGL4S1

[billiejoearmstrong8]

13 minutes ago, DOUGL4S1 said:

Niko is Russian/Serbian/whatever.

 

I think the Housers tried to make Niko's home country irrelevant, we only know he's from somewhere in Eastern Europe/Balkans, and he most likely fought in the Yugoslav wars.

 

Oh, and the fact he speaks Serbian doesn't necessarelly means he's from Serbia! I mean, second languages are a thing that exist. I'm typing in English, doesn't mean I'm from the UK.

I think that although they claim he could be from anywhere in Eastern Europe/the Balkans that isn't actually true as there's enough information included to conclude that he's Serbian (by ethnicity). It's pretty clear that he's either a Serb from Serbia or a Serb from Bosnia (the latter possibly being more likely since he talks about atrocities happening in his home village, but both still possible), other options are ruled out in various ways. I get that the exact country doesn't matter from the perspective of the story they wanted to tell, but they didn't really leave it that open-ended.

Edited December 3, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8

[iiCriminnaaL]

1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

In GTA IV while the M4 has a faster rate of fire and better accuracy, the AK is more powerful. So which is better is debatable. That's not even taking into account that "better" can mean different things (for example to me the AK sounds better, looks better and is more satisfying to use so along with the extra power I consider it the better weapon).

 

AK-47 is more powerful in San Andreas and the Stories titles as well. Not sure about Vice City, though (Kruger). I prefer it to the M4 as well.

 

So:

• A GTA title can't be a good sequel if it didn't include every element from its predecessor - Every GTA title has its own theme and overall style. Just because it's a newer game doesn't mean it has to reintroduce every single feature its predecessors had. That doesn't apply to the core gameplay mechanics, though, because it has to improve them, or retain the same quality at the very least.
• Us GTA IV fans adore the game only for the story - It's all subjective of course, but some people can't get the fact that we prefer its gameplay to the rest of the series as well, including GTA V and San Andreas.
• Roman calls Niko while he's being chased by the cops - It's technically not possible for friends to call the player when he's wanted at all.

[KingAJ032304]

17 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

In GTA IV while the M4 has a faster rate of fire and better accuracy, the AK is more powerful. So which is better is debatable. That's not even taking into account that "better" can mean different things (for example to me the AK sounds better, looks better and is more satisfying to use so along with the extra power I consider it the better weapon).

 

- That Roman calls you to go bowling excessively. In fact Roman calls no more often than any other friend and suggests bowling no more often than any other activity. Since drinking and strip club are available activities for all friends and who calls and which activity suggested is random you're more likely to get invited to them than bowling. 

 

 

 

See the problem is they TELL you or make it SEEM like its more powerful than the M4 but in reality they do the same damage (which is 30) this is why I don't trust in game info and would rather check the files myself) hell the AK in gta 3 in WEAKER than the micro smg (it does 19 damage taking 6 bullets while the micro smg does 20 taking 5 bullets but they wont tell you that it's weaker of course)

15 hours ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

AK-47 is more powerful in San Andreas and the Stories titles as well. Not sure about Vice City, though (Kruger). I prefer it to the M4 as well.

 

So:

• A GTA title can't be a good sequel if it didn't include every element from its predecessor - Every GTA title has its own theme and overall style. Just because it's a newer game doesn't mean it has to reintroduce every single feature its predecessors had. That doesn't apply to the core gameplay mechanics, though, because it has to improve them, or retain the same quality at the very least.
• Us GTA IV fans adore the game only for the story - It's all subjective of course, but some people can't get the fact that we prefer its gameplay to the rest of the series as well, including GTA V and San Andreas.
• Roman calls Niko while he's being chased by the cops - It's technically not possible for friends to call the player when he's wanted at all.

Ok to clear confusion the ak did 19 damage in GTA 3 while the M4 did 52, the Ruger did 35 while the M4 did 40 in VC (Same for LCS and VCS), the AK and M4 both did 30 in GTA SA and IV while in V the AK did 30 while the Carbine Rifle did 32. The ONLY time the AK did more damage is in GTA Online the assault rifle mkii does 40 damage while every other rifle (including the mkii counterparts capped at 35 (the one thing GTA Online does strangely does right is weapon balance when you look at the stats in the files)

Edited December 4, 2019 by KingAJ032304

[KingAJ032304]

3 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

I was going to say something similar, but in regards to the hangouts in general. I don't know where the "they call every 5 minutes" complaint came from, but it's excessive and over the top. This can be crushed by the fact the game has a "sleep mode" so people have no excuse if they don't like friends/girlfriends calling. In saying that sometimes I've had them call as soon as I've started up the game and other times I can go an hour (real time) without getting a single phone call in free roam with sleep mode turned off.

 

It's hardly this like clockwork phenomenon people make it seem. It feels infrequent where the calls occur randomly and don't stick to a set procedure, but I agree about Roman. He doesn't call that often in my saves to go bowling. Usually I flip the switch and call him to go bowling. 

I honestly never understood this either I remember playing like 4 or 5 hours straight without a single phone call and i prefer it over gta 5 where those self absorbed mfs don't call you then guilt trip you when you call them but haven't call them in a while (I'm looking at you Michael)

[Algonquin Assassin]

11 hours ago, DOUGL4S1 said:

Niko is Russian/Serbian/whatever.

 

I think the Housers tried to make Niko's home country irrelevant, we only know he's from somewhere in Eastern Europe/Balkans, and he most likely fought in the Yugoslav wars.

 

Oh, and the fact he speaks Serbian doesn't necessarelly means he's from Serbia! I mean, second languages are a thing that exist. I'm typing in English, doesn't mean I'm from the UK.

 

**Grabs popcorn**

I'm not even sure where people got the idea from that he's from Russia. He even straight up says "I aint Russian" in one of the missions. And while it's true it's never really specified exactly where he's from I think the reason most people attach to the idea that he's from Serbia is when Roman says "better than my Serbian" so the odds that both of them would be from somewhere else doesn't seem that likely.

 

Still I love that R* are purposely vague with things like this. All I know is he's from "some armpit in Eastern Europe" as Packie would say.

 

10 hours ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

Us GTA IV fans adore the game only for the story - It's all subjective of course, but some people can't get the fact that we prefer its gameplay to the rest of the series as well, including GTA V and San Andreas.

Oh God yes. As a hardcore GTA IV fan I see this as a bit on an insult. While of course GTA IV's story is brilliant its gameplay is just as good if not better. It's the GTA game I've spent the most amount of time in free roam messing around. 

 

[DOUGL4S1]

7 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said:

I think the reason most people attach to the idea that he's from Serbia is when Roman says "better than my Serbian" so the odds that both of them would be from somewhere else doesn't seem that likely.

That's the thing, the "Better than my Serbian" line is because while Niko speaks english quite badly at the begining of the game, so it means Roman isn't that good with Serbian, and I'm not sure if you'll completelly lose a mother tongue like that after a few years in another country, specially since Roman kept in contact with Niko and would have at least some exposure to their mother tongue.

 

Maybe they went to live in Serbia after the war? So Roman went to America after that, so he got little exposure to Serbian, and Niko lived there for a while, so he can speak it, but still with mistakes and accent.

[iiCriminnaaL]

3 minutes ago, DOUGL4S1 said:

That's the thing, the "Better than my Serbian" line is because while Niko speaks english quite badly at the begining of the game, so it means Roman isn't that good with Serbian

It's a very interesting take actually. I haven't given it a thought before.

 

Not sure if this is caused due to the time Roman spent in the US, or is it because they aren't from Serbia to begin with. But what about Niko's Serbian speeches every now and then? Anyway, can't get too deep into it right now because I'm kinda asleep, good night.

Edited December 3, 2019 by iiCriminnaaL 49

[Jeansowaty]

Yugoslavia was one country made up of various closely related ethnicities who spoke one similar language - Serbo-Croatian. From what is known, Niko is a Serb ethnically born in Yugoslavia, but it's unconfirmed if he was born in modern Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia or anywhere else.

[Max.pain]

20 hours ago, KingAJ032304 said:

Silences in GTA V do not reduce damage nor range

this is pretty useful ya no that? thannks a lot

[OG Freddy LOC]

 

The beefing and split up of the sets from the Grove - Seville Boulevard families and Temple Drive Families -

Reuniting the Families proves that Ryder is set for the  treachery ordered by C.R.A.S.H.

 

Emmet plays a role in this , during the mission Sweet's Girl.

[Algonquin Assassin]

Claude and Claude Speed are NOT the same person. I don't believe in this shared universe sh*t. Every "era" has been a reboot of the series in some way. That's why we never see characters from previous games turn up in the flesh in another one unless they're apart of the same "era".

 

Of course there are eastereggs/references that provide a common link across the games, but it's just like the Batman universe. You have many Bruce Waynes/Batmans, but they're not the same person. Regarding Claude in GTA III there was going to feature to let players change his name at one time, but this was dropped before the game's release.

 

The only reason people speculated they were the same person was when he made a cameo in San Andreas and was given the name "Claude" yet conveniently not a last name. Now I've been a fan of R* for 2 decades and I know they love messing with their fans and being as vague as possible. I have no doubt they probably used the guy who played Claude Speed in GTA 2's intro as Claude's visual makeup in GTA III, but the buck stops there. Logically speaking if the whole universe thing is bullsh*t Claude Speed would be in his 40s (Not 28) in GTA 2 since it's accepted 2013 is the time it's set.. Unless these guys are like Simpsons characters and never age across decades. 

[KingAJ032304]

38 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said:

Claude and Claude Speed are NOT the same person. I don't believe in this shared universe sh*t. Every "era" has been a reboot of the series in some way. That's why we never see characters from previous games turn up in the flesh in another one unless they're apart of the same "era".

 

Of course there are eastereggs/references that provide a common link across the games, but it's just like the Batman universe. You have many Bruce Waynes/Batmans, but they're not the same person. Regarding Claude in GTA III there was going to feature to let players change his name at one time, but this was dropped before the game's release.

 

The only reason people speculated they were the same person was when he made a cameo in San Andreas and was given the name "Claude" yet conveniently not a last name. Now I've been a fan of R* for 2 decades and I know they love messing with their fans and being as vague as possible. I have no doubt they probably used the guy who played Claude Speed in GTA 2's intro as Claude's visual makeup in GTA III, but the buck stops there. Logically speaking if the whole universe thing is bullsh*t Claude Speed would be in his 40s (Not 28) in GTA 2 since it's accepted 2013 is the time it's set.. Unless these guys are like Simpsons characters and never age across decades. 

Actually there's more proof that GTA 3 is set 1999 than there are proof it's set 2013 as the in game radio says "the upcoming election" and every numbered GTA title is set the year it is release while the back of the box suggests it's set 3 weeks in the future of its release. Though it's practically a fact that Claude and Claude Speed is not the same person due to the universe stuff (I REALLY WISH they were though), if they were then the age could possibly make sense making him 21-22 in GTA SA, 28 in GTA 2, and 30-31 in GTA 3

Edited December 4, 2019 by KingAJ032304

[Algonquin Assassin]

2 minutes ago, KingAJ032304 said:

Actually there's more proof that GTA 3 is set 1999 than there are proof it's set 2013 as the in game radio says "the upcoming election" and every numbered GTA title is set the year it is release while the back of the box suggests it's set 3 weeks in the future of its release

I don't know man. The retro-futuristic/dystopian aesthetic makes it seem like it's intended to be in the near future and 2013 at that time in 1999 would be a reasonable candidate for "near future". Then again it's been years since I last played GTA 2 so I'm probably a bit rusty on some of the finer details.

[KingAJ032304]

14 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said:

I don't know man. The retro-futuristic/dystopian aesthetic makes it seem like it's intended to be in the near future and 2013 at that time in 1999 would be a reasonable candidate for "near future". Then again it's been years since I last played GTA 2 so I'm probably a bit rusty on some of the finer details.

I will not denied that it's definitely inspired of what people thought 2013 would look like at the time and I will NOT state for sure which one is the true setting. As you said Rockstar likes keeping stuff ambiguous and it's all apart of the fun. Your spot on on (on on?) everything you said. I just got into GTA 2 like a year or a year and a half ago and played it loosely.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

On 12/3/2019 at 2:39 PM, KingAJ032304 said:

See the problem is they TELL you or make it SEEM like its more powerful than the M4 but in reality they do the same damage (which is 30) this is why I don't trust in game info and would rather check the files myself) hell the AK in gta 3 in WEAKER than the micro smg (it does 19 damage taking 6 bullets while the micro smg does 20 taking 5 bullets but they wont tell you that it's weaker of course)

 

It worked on me . Really does seem more powerful. I guess M4 is technically better then. I still like the AK more though

 

On 12/3/2019 at 11:11 PM, DOUGL4S1 said:

That's the thing, the "Better than my Serbian" line is because while Niko speaks english quite badly at the begining of the game, so it means Roman isn't that good with Serbian, and I'm not sure if you'll completelly lose a mother tongue like that after a few years in another country, specially since Roman kept in contact with Niko and would have at least some exposure to their mother tongue.

 

Maybe they went to live in Serbia after the war? So Roman went to America after that, so he got little exposure to Serbian, and Niko lived there for a while, so he can speak it, but still with mistakes and accent.

Roman and Niko also refer to that same language as "our language" though. Niko's mother writes emails in Serbian. Bernie and Darko, who grew up in the same village as them, speak Serbian. They (and all other characters from where they're from) have Serbian names. When Niko's annoyed he occasionally reverts to swearing in Serbian, and both he and Roman occasionally fall back into speaking it early in the game. You actually can start to lose a first language if you're immersed in another one without speaking it for a long time, but I think Roman's Serbian is just "rusty" as he hasn't been speaking it much for a few years, he can still speak it. If they had a different first language they'd be speaking that when they felt like not speaking English, not struggling to communicate with a second one. Also Serbians and Albanians have a historic rivalry...probably isn't a coincidence that they have Albanian enemies in the game. Albanian and Russian characters (who are more likely to know a Serb when they meet one than the various American characters who think he's Russian or Polish) refer to Niko as Balkan/Yugoslavian/a Serb.

 

It's stated that Roman left for America to escape the war, not after it. Roman's mother paid for him to leave, Niko chose to stay and fight, Roman's mother was killed. The war happened in the place they grew up in and lived. Timing of how long ago it was supposed to have happened confirms it was the Yugoslav Wars. 

 

They included so much info in the game (there's a lot of extra stuff mentioned during friend hangouts) that makes it clear Serbian is their native language, and that the war took place in their home village where they grew up ("when the war came", "we were all boys from the village", bombs dropping on their house, Roman's mother being attacked in her home) and other details about things that happened in the war and the timing of it, which makes it clear they're Serbian and from a part of Yugoslavia where fighting, war crimes against civilians and bombing took place.

 

I think it's cool that his nationality isn't mentioned explicitly or focused on strongly, the point that it isn't important to this particular story and that many people from many different countries could have a similar background is still made. But if they wanted it to actually be open-ended enough that he could be from any country in the Balkans or the entirety of Eastern Europe they should've included less pinpointing info.

Edited April 18, 2020 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Evil empire]

On 12/3/2019 at 4:16 AM, KingAJ032304 said:

Claude and Tommy can swim and have their own respective reasons why they down (oil spill and sharks/storms)

 

I love your sense of irony.^^

 

 

-The GTA's entirely deal with fictional characters taking part to a fictional story in a fictional location.

 

Yes I know it's an obvious truth but when I see all these topics with stupid questions like Tenpenny being CJ's father, Carl Johnson being Franklin Clinton's father and stuff I have the feeling many persons imagine the GTA elements are real-life ones.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Evil empire

[Lioshenka]

People thinking that there is a "Minigun" in GTAs, whereas it's a generic machine gun.

[billiejoearmstrong8]

- That the police in GTA V treat any of the three protagonists differently from each other. Only difference is that Trevor can only say rude things, so him saying three things to a cop (insult, insult, threat) would get him wanted while Michael or Franklin start polite and then get rude so they'd have to make more comments to get to a threatening one and earn themselves a wanted level. But this is in the player's control. Otherwise they treat the three protagonists exactly the same, the way AI behaves in V is very predictable so it's easy to tell. Idea that they're more aggressive towards Franklin or less aggressive towards Michael is nonsense.

Edited December 4, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Lioshenka]

9 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

Claude and Claude Speed are NOT the same person.

But is Claude Claude Speed's father? Surprised this question hasn't been asked yet by one of the new forum members.

[KingAJ032304]

¿iS tOmMY mIchAEl'S uNCle?

 

Claude is the slowest protagonist in the 3D universe 

In terms of speed it goes Tommy, CJ, Vic,Toni, Claude (so i guess Claude's last name really isnt Speed lol)

[DOUGL4S1]

25 minutes ago, Lioshenka said:

But is Claude Claude Speed's father? Surprised this question hasn't been asked yet by one of the new forum members.

In GTA San Andreas, Catalina called you in the middle of having sex with Claude, so if they had a son right after the events of San Andreas (around 1993), that would make Claude Speed 20 years-old in 2013.

 

This means that no, as in Claude Speed's artwork and in his little movie, he appears to be much older.

[OG Freddy LOC]

On 12/4/2019 at 8:00 PM, Evil empire said:

I love your sense of irony.^^

 

 

-The GTA's entirely deal with fictional characters taking part to a fictional story in a fictional location.

 

Yes I know it's an obvious truth but when I see all these topics with stupid questions like Tenpenny being CJ's father, Carl Johnson being Franklin Clinton's father and stuff I have the feeling many persons imagine the GTA elements are real-life ones.

 

 

Everything about GTA isn't realism in the strongest sense of argument as the non-fiction framework of the gamestory is 

acceptability in motion.

Many players can digest the fact that this game has pushed the boundaries of realism from the linear backtracking gameplay 

of the first GTA 1 to the latest GTAV.

The author of the gamestory is relatively new to the genre randomly seeking a solid plot and ideas to beat the deadline of submission 

anyway this is beyond acceptability amongst crooks online.

[B Dawg]

On 12/3/2019 at 11:41 AM, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

In GTA IV while the M4 has a faster rate of fire and better accuracy, the AK is more powerful.

 

On 12/3/2019 at 1:44 PM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

AK-47 is more powerful in San Andreas

They do the same damage actually (but in IV's Multiplayer, the M4 deals more).

[Copcaller]

On 12/3/2019 at 10:04 PM, SonOfLiberty said:

Claude and Claude Speed are NOT the same person. I don't believe in this shared universe sh*t. Every "era" has been a reboot of the series in some way. That's why we never see characters from previous games turn up in the flesh in another one unless they're apart of the same "era".

 

Of course there are eastereggs/references that provide a common link across the games, but it's just like the Batman universe. You have many Bruce Waynes/Batmans, but they're not the same person. Regarding Claude in GTA III there was going to feature to let players change his name at one time, but this was dropped before the game's release.

 

The only reason people speculated they were the same person was when he made a cameo in San Andreas and was given the name "Claude" yet conveniently not a last name. Now I've been a fan of R* for 2 decades and I know they love messing with their fans and being as vague as possible. I have no doubt they probably used the guy who played Claude Speed in GTA 2's intro as Claude's visual makeup in GTA III, but the buck stops there. Logically speaking if the whole universe thing is bullsh*t Claude Speed would be in his 40s (Not 28) in GTA 2 since it's accepted 2013 is the time it's set.. Unless these guys are like Simpsons characters and never age across decades. 

I don't think they are the same character but rockstar themselves described gta 3 Claude as a drifter from the west coast who last name may or may not be speed. Implying it's open to interpretation 

 

That all of the protagonists are dead only ones confirmed to be dead are Johnny k and Vic Vance 

Edited December 7, 2019 by Copcaller

[Jeansowaty]

The MP5 and Uzi in GTA IV deal the same damage too. The only difference is that the MP5 has less recoil, making it more accurate and has a smaller magazine clip. The Uzi has 50 rounds of a magazine (which is quite unrealistic to say at least) and has higher recoil, but I still like it better, especially in drive-by's.

[KingAJ032304]

9 hours ago, B Dawg said:

 

They do the same damage actually (but in IV's Multiplayer, the M4 deals more).

Your correct I forgot about the weird damage multiplier the guns did in GTA IV multiplayer which literally made the MG in the TBOGT and assault SMG straight garbage against players...

6 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

The MP5 and Uzi in GTA IV deal the same damage too. The only difference is that the MP5 has less recoil, making it more accurate and has a smaller magazine clip. The Uzi has 50 rounds of a magazine (which is quite unrealistic to say at least) and has higher recoil, but I still like it better, especially in drive-by's.

See those two guns are actually balanced unlike the AK and the M4 however if it was up to me I would have made the UZI have a higher fire rate (like 1.25x or 1.3334x) while having a 25 round magazine