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BoulderFaceplant

Was Agent Milton being honest when he tried to strike a deal?

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After the Braithwaite fiasco, Agent Milton stops by with an offer to Dutch’s Gang: turn in Dutch, and all of the gang will be quietly pardoned so long as they assimilate into legal society. 

 

As we know, not one member of the gang even considers this. But it made me wonder, was Milton being genuine here? Probably not, if the governments actions in RDR1 are anything to go by, but I have to admit, I think this works better for the story if Milton was being honest. It adds to the tragedy that the whole gang, sans Dutch, would’ve gotten a second chance in the world if only they’d seen through Dutch’s manipulation. This is also a great moment to show Dutch’s dishonesty. He says he would give his life to save any member of the gang; well here’s an opportunity to save the ENTIRE gang - including a young child - and he scoffs, flaunting the gang’s loyalty in Milton’s face like a personal trophy. He doesn’t even stop for a moment to hold a vote. 

 

I know that most logic points to the contrary, but I like to imagine the gang genuinely threw away a golden, nigh-miraculous opportunity. That they - and Dutch in particular - saw the correct choice and turned away from it. 

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Miko19

Milton seemed like a less underhanded individual than Ross, but we didn't interact with him enough to actually see it. The Pinkertons being a bit underdeveloped is probably my biggest gripe with the game's story :c

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UpTheDowngrade

Great post. I believe we're meant to take Milton's offer at face value there.

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jje1000

Personally I think Milton was under-defined as a character, which was a shame.

 

Not much to read off of him beyond his few appearances.

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~INDIO~

I too think we should have definitely seen more of him. I was also displeased at the way he left the story.

I reckon he was a lot worse than what we saw though.. Ross learned from him.

 

Massive potential for that character that was just left behind. He could've been used for a really interesting DLC storyline to go alongside the main plot.

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Rammer2k

Really depends on how long Micah was in his pocket for?  I don't believe he was just "caught" after Guarma, and started ratting out the gang.  I think it goes all the way to Blackwater.

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Mysterious hero
12 minutes ago, Rammer2k said:

Really depends on how long Micah was in his pocket for?  I don't believe he was just "caught" after Guarma, and started ratting out the gang.  I think it goes all the way to Blackwater.

While it's highly likely that Micah was the rat the whole time, he wasn't directly working with the Pinkerton's until after Guarma. 

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Auditore

Honestly i think he wasn't lying.Milton is pragmatic(well he was before the saint denis heist,after that he went scorched earth mode on the gang).

Both Ross and Milton manipulate but Milton has a more diplomatic approach,he talks and prefers a verbal solution before taking his guns out.

Milton only goes after dutch with guns when he runs out of peaceful options which is his main character flaw,he even dies because he wastes time talking instead of shooting.If it was Ross in the lead Dutch wouldn't make past Rhoades.

 

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BoulderFaceplant
7 hours ago, Auditore said:

Honestly i think he wasn't lying.Milton is pragmatic(well he was before the saint denis heist,after that he went scorched earth mode on the gang).

Both Ross and Milton manipulate but Milton has a more diplomatic approach,he talks and prefers a verbal solution before taking his guns out.

Milton only goes after dutch with guns when he runs out of peaceful options which is his main character flaw,he even dies because he wastes time talking instead of shooting.If it was Ross in the lead Dutch wouldn't make past Rhoades.

 

Good point. In fact, even as far back as the cutscene when they’re introduced, Milton is the more even-headed one. Ross is the guy who taunts a little boy. 

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Auditore
9 hours ago, BoulderFaceplant said:

Good point. In fact, even as far back as the cutscene when they’re introduced, Milton is the more even-headed one. Ross is the guy who taunts a little boy. 

Yes he tries to destroy the gang using the members as spies,he actually suceeds with micah but he went to Arthur first.

Milton likes the sound of his own voice and hes a bit delusional kinda like Dutch,Ross saw that and realized that talking to criminals is a waste of time

I dont think milton was underdeveloped he's there just enough to make a impression.If he appeared more it would make no sense why he didnt arrest or kill Dutch,the events in the game make sense.

-Milton goes after Dutch after Cornwall hires the pinkertons services.

-Milton knows Dutch is close to Valentine and finds Arthur fishing

-Failing to convince Arthur Milton tries to find the gang hideout but everyone already left

-After so much recent chaos in the small town of rhoades Milton goes there thinking it has something to do with Dutch,he finds the gang and makes them a final peaceful offer

-After seeing the gang is loyal to dutch Milton goes violent 

-Milton is lucky that micah is part of the gang,Micah is now the spy Milton was looking for.

 

A import reminder that if the O Driscolls robbed the cornwall train they would be hunted by milton not Dutch.

Dutch effed up when he screwed up with a big company.

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crazedZ10

They wanted us to hate Milton but honestly he's just a guy trying to bring a group of psychopaths to justice. Yeah Arthur, Dutch and all are psychopaths. 

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Alexlecj

"It's over. No more bargains. No more deals."

"I've given you enough chances..."

"You fools weren't listening to me, were you? I showed mercy... You mistook it for weakness."

"We offered you a deal, Mr. Morgan... you should have taken it."

 

I think he was being honest, since every time he engages us in a gunfight, he refers to the various deals he offered.

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