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Void Hood

107c on CPU

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2ndLastJedi
3 hours ago, MeatSafeMurderer said:

lmao

Here I was thinking that OCing in 2019 was nigh on impossible to f*ck up.

Lol, have it stable.... But blue screen every 30 minutes! Yup that's stable :p

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Midir

1.6v? What in tarnation! This deserves the greatest of the greatest facepalms.And people are blaming games for their hardware overheating what the hell

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Void Hood

I am back now with a new CPU and RAM. I'm reading here that my temps were way too high which sucks but yeah, my CPU (6700k) was getting old anyway. It took my RAM with it or my RAM failed for some other unrelated reasons sadly as well, so that's now at 32 gigs just in case. I have the 9900k because I learned OCing is stupid and wanted to get the max performance possible as stock.  It's all fun and games to you all, but this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

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RuskiChleb
7 minutes ago, Void Hood said:

I learned OCing is stupid

that's not true

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Geisterfaust
1 hour ago, Void Hood said:

I am back now with a new CPU and RAM. I'm reading here that my temps were way too high which sucks but yeah, my CPU (6700k) was getting old anyway. It took my RAM with it or my RAM failed for some other unrelated reasons sadly as well, so that's now at 32 gigs just in case. I have the 9900k because I learned OCing is stupid and wanted to get the max performance possible as stock.  It's all fun and games to you all, but this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

That's expected result. OCing is not stupid per se, it's stupid OCing that kills the hardware, exactly your case. For example, you can OC 9600k to the clock level of 9900k, the chip was built to do that within 1.35V range. Intel is still viable for manual overclocking, while AMD is with PBO provides very little headroom.

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Ghetzi
2 hours ago, Void Hood said:

I am back now with a new CPU and RAM. I'm reading here that my temps were way too high which sucks but yeah, my CPU (6700k) was getting old anyway. It took my RAM with it or my RAM failed for some other unrelated reasons sadly as well, so that's now at 32 gigs just in case. I have the 9900k because I learned OCing is stupid and wanted to get the max performance possible as stock.  It's all fun and games to you all, but this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

Why do people do this?  The game didn't cost you an entire rig, improperly OC-ing your CPU cost you your rig.  Blaming something or someone else for your mistake is a lost learning opportunity.  Also, you don't need a K chip if you're not going to OC so you probably paid more for your new CPU (or did you buy an entire new system?) than you should have.  Maybe a little less hiring "a dozen or so lawyers" to sue Rockstar, and a little more google?  There's plenty of information out there, just have to look.

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Rusev
2 hours ago, Void Hood said:

I am back now with a new CPU and RAM. I'm reading here that my temps were way too high which sucks but yeah, my CPU (6700k) was getting old anyway. It took my RAM with it or my RAM failed for some other unrelated reasons sadly as well, so that's now at 32 gigs just in case. I have the 9900k because I learned OCing is stupid and wanted to get the max performance possible as stock.  It's all fun and games to you all, but this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

Overclocking on stock cooling is a fool's game.

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MeatSafeMurderer
4 hours ago, Void Hood said:

this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

No, you did that when you decided to crank the CPU voltage without bothering to do some research and find out what was actually safe. It would've taken you all of 2 seconds to find out on Google that 1.35V is as high as you should go, maybe 1.4V if you have a custom loop. No game has ever cost me an entire rig, or any parts at all for that matter, and nor has overclocking.

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2ndLastJedi

6700k was plenty of CPU for RDR2 ;)

9900k is better sure but RDR2 isn't the reason you upgraded. 

 

BTW 9900k is good for 120c and 1.63v under air :p (jk) 

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NativeX
On 12/6/2019 at 5:44 AM, Midir said:

1.6v? What in tarnation! This deserves the greatest of the greatest facepalms.And people are blaming games for their hardware overheating what the hell

Blaming the developers for releasing a broken game which have already caused tons of issues is the right thing to do. RDR2 specifically is one of those games to impact the CPU negatively.

 

5 hours ago, Void Hood said:

I am back now with a new CPU and RAM. I'm reading here that my temps were way too high which sucks but yeah, my CPU (6700k) was getting old anyway. It took my RAM with it or my RAM failed for some other unrelated reasons sadly as well, so that's now at 32 gigs just in case. I have the 9900k because I learned OCing is stupid and wanted to get the max performance possible as stock.  It's all fun and games to you all, but this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

OC is indeed the dumbest thing to exist. And ''silicon lottery'' isn't even by luck - it's by intention. They make one CPU powerful, then the next one weaker. Randomly sells them in places. Few people will get the winner CPU and most will get the loser CPU. I am also looking seriously forward to when clock speeds remain fixed so we no longer have to risk and overclock our hardware just to keep up with newer games.

 

3 hours ago, Ghetzi said:

Why do people do this?  The game didn't cost you an entire rig, improperly OC-ing your CPU cost you your rig.  Blaming something or someone else for your mistake is a lost learning opportunity.  Also, you don't need a K chip if you're not going to OC so you probably paid more for your new CPU (or did you buy an entire new system?) than you should have.  Maybe a little less hiring "a dozen or so lawyers" to sue Rockstar, and a little more google?  There's plenty of information out there, just have to look.

It's not why people are doing it, it's why companies are doing it. No one is paying more for anything. It's all the companies to blame. They release and sell something broken - they are responsible for it. It's already embarrassing that Rockstar released RDR2 on Steam still fully broken. What a mess!

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Officer Friendly
7 hours ago, Void Hood said:

I am back now with a new CPU and RAM. I'm reading here that my temps were way too high which sucks but yeah, my CPU (6700k) was getting old anyway. It took my RAM with it or my RAM failed for some other unrelated reasons sadly as well, so that's now at 32 gigs just in case. I have the 9900k because I learned OCing is stupid and wanted to get the max performance possible as stock.  It's all fun and games to you all, but this game has basically cost me an entire rig ontop on endless man hours of hassle.

What did you think was going to happen at the voltage with air cooling?

 

I hope this was a lesson learned, just get water cooling and you can overclock to your hearts content, just don't do anything crazy like 5Ghz, for that your going to need some liquid nitrogen.

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Ghetzi
3 hours ago, NativeX said:

Blaming the developers for releasing a broken game which have already caused tons of issues is the right thing to do. RDR2 specifically is one of those games to impact the CPU negatively.

 

OC is indeed the dumbest thing to exist. And ''silicon lottery'' isn't even by luck - it's by intention. They make one CPU powerful, then the next one weaker. Randomly sells them in places. Few people will get the winner CPU and most will get the loser CPU. I am also looking seriously forward to when clock speeds remain fixed so we no longer have to risk and overclock our hardware just to keep up with newer games.

 

It's not why people are doing it, it's why companies are doing it. No one is paying more for anything. It's all the companies to blame. They release and sell something broken - they are responsible for it. It's already embarrassing that Rockstar released RDR2 on Steam still fully broken. What a mess!

Are you blaming Rockstar for someone going into their Bios and setting the CPU voltage above the setting recommended by the manufacturer?  Says which?  This is what people mean by "externalizing blame."  OC is optional and completely unnecessary, btw.  There are even locked alternatives for those that don't want to risk doing exactly what OP did.  Sorry, but I'm not following the logic behind these conclusions.

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NativeX
2 minutes ago, Ghetzi said:

Are you blaming Rockstar for someone going into their Bios and setting the CPU voltage above the setting recommended by the manufacturer?  Says which?  This is what people mean by "externalizing blame."  OC is optional and completely unnecessary, btw.  There are even locked alternatives for those that don't want to risk doing exactly what OP did.  Sorry, but I'm not following the logic behind these conclusions.

Blaming companies that consists of percentages of a-holes who do nothing to help abandoned customers. I have also not received a single reply from Rockstar since I wrote to them via mouthoff reminding them about the most important problems in RDR2.

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gonnaenodaethat
On 12/2/2019 at 6:04 AM, Void Hood said:

Hello, I'm trying very hard to avoid this weird microstutter I get when turning my camera really fast in towns. Most noticable when riding through town and using the look back feature. I tried OCing my CPU (K series)  to 4.8 GHZ with 1.6 voltage and have it stable. This works for a few minutes and the microstuttering is improved (not in Saloons) but now I'm experiencing a blue screen every thirty minutes. I usually experience a random crash around this time anyway, and I thought it was just an extent of that, but I was wrong. Upon checking my core temps I had 105 with a spike of 107. This seemed high so I opened my case for better ventilation without much if any improvement. I'm at my wits end. I really want to play the game but these microstutters in town are horrible. I'd rather blue screen every thirty minutes. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to fix this problem or possibly a graphical option I could disable/enable to resolve the issue? Ive tried swapping APIs already.

Look on the bright side pal as ye winnae hae to turn the central heating oan this winter

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Supermax2003
On 12/2/2019 at 7:04 AM, Void Hood said:

Hello, I'm trying very hard to avoid this weird microstutter I get when turning my camera really fast in towns. Most noticable when riding through town and using the look back feature. I tried OCing my CPU (K series)  to 4.8 GHZ with 1.6 voltage and have it stable. This works for a few minutes and the microstuttering is improved (not in Saloons) but now I'm experiencing a blue screen every thirty minutes. I usually experience a random crash around this time anyway, and I thought it was just an extent of that, but I was wrong. Upon checking my core temps I had 105 with a spike of 107. This seemed high so I opened my case for better ventilation without much if any improvement. I'm at my wits end. I really want to play the game but these microstutters in town are horrible. I'd rather blue screen every thirty minutes. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to fix this problem or possibly a graphical option I could disable/enable to resolve the issue? Ive tried swapping APIs already.

You gotta use a proper tool to see your cpu temperature though I hope you do that. For me Speedfan shows around 130 degrees which is absolutely wrong ofc :) You gotta try Aida64 or sth. else. If its over 100 degrees everywhere well you are using far too much voltage (dont know about the CPU now....) or you f*cked sth. up with the cooler and/or paste.

But ofc that has nothing to do with RDR 2 here.

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Valdr
On 12/9/2019 at 7:31 PM, Ghetzi said:

Are you blaming Rockstar for someone going into their Bios and setting the CPU voltage above the setting recommended by the manufacturer?  Says which?  This is what people mean by "externalizing blame."  OC is optional and completely unnecessary, btw.  There are even locked alternatives for those that don't want to risk doing exactly what OP did.  Sorry, but I'm not following the logic behind these conclusions.

 

This whole thread is just hardware-ignorant people blaming the game. OP blames the game for "costing him money" when he decided to just start turning knobs without knowing what they do, Gforce thinks the game is capable of having "killed" his PSU, SwatSqad thinks PCs get better cooling with the case open. You guys shouldn't be allowed near the expensive electronics in your house.

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NativeX
4 hours ago, Valdr said:

 

This whole thread is just hardware-ignorant people blaming the game. OP blames the game for "costing him money" when he decided to just start turning knobs without knowing what they do, Gforce thinks the game is capable of having "killed" his PSU, SwatSqad thinks PCs get better cooling with the case open. You guys shouldn't be allowed near the expensive electronics in your house.

Rockstar make stupid decisions with vendors so many times that they intentionally cause trouble for people's hardware is not a coincidence. If they're trying to make money, it's for their own benefits. And rest of folks keep praising and supporting them is who I'd rather call ignorant people to begin with. Rockstar have also become similar to other multiplayer companies like EA DICE and IW. Focusing too much on separate Editions and Online content, while single player is suffering and all the company does is ignoring everyone. The total result is the bad companies are the most ignorant people on the planet because of the fact they don't lose interest but they purposely don't care about the user experience.

 

The results:

Companies make something, release it in either a good or broken condition.

They earn the money when people buy their products, as expected.

When the product suddenly breaks and people start asking for help, there is none.

Companies repeat the same failures/mistakes over the course of many years, ignoring people's complaints.

History repeats.

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Ghetzi
8 hours ago, NativeX said:

Rockstar make stupid decisions with vendors so many times that they intentionally cause trouble for people's hardware is not a coincidence. If they're trying to make money, it's for their own benefits. And rest of folks keep praising and supporting them is who I'd rather call ignorant people to begin with. Rockstar have also become similar to other multiplayer companies like EA DICE and IW. Focusing too much on separate Editions and Online content, while single player is suffering and all the company does is ignoring everyone. The total result is the bad companies are the most ignorant people on the planet because of the fact they don't lose interest but they purposely don't care about the user experience.

 

The results:

Companies make something, release it in either a good or broken condition.

They earn the money when people buy their products, as expected.

When the product suddenly breaks and people start asking for help, there is none.

Companies repeat the same failures/mistakes over the course of many years, ignoring people's complaints.

History repeats.

Your examples are based on a singular personal experience, so I get the frustration.  Relevant to this post, however, the OP clearly stated that he improperly overclocked his CPU which resulted in extreme voltage and temperature.  It has nothing to do with Rockstar or the evil empires known as "companies."  Try to remember that for every person who has a problem (in this case, by their own doing) there are dozens, if not hundreds more who aren't posting because they're not having a problem.  I've reported four bugs to Rockstar and on every occasion they wrote back to assist with the problem.  After 160 hours in RDR2 my CPU, GPU, cooling fan, motherboard, surge protector, and the ceiling fan in my office are fine.  (The master bathroom toilet did spring a leak, though.  Coincidence?!?

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NativeX
10 hours ago, Ghetzi said:

Your examples are based on a singular personal experience, so I get the frustration.  Relevant to this post, however, the OP clearly stated that he improperly overclocked his CPU which resulted in extreme voltage and temperature.  It has nothing to do with Rockstar or the evil empires known as "companies."  Try to remember that for every person who has a problem (in this case, by their own doing) there are dozens, if not hundreds more who aren't posting because they're not having a problem.  I've reported four bugs to Rockstar and on every occasion they wrote back to assist with the problem.  After 160 hours in RDR2 my CPU, GPU, cooling fan, motherboard, surge protector, and the ceiling fan in my office are fine.  (The master bathroom toilet did spring a leak, though.  Coincidence?!?

What I described above are facts and what is currently going on in the industrial loop. OP asked for help, he got none except a bunch of replies from ignorant people. Just like in the other topic he created much earlier. And this RDR2 situation have everything to do with Rockstar and companies. Just because people don't post anything doesn't mean they don't have any problems with the game. There are only a number of people who will try to ask for help. And in my case, I've tried to use the Mouthoff and reported the most important problems and I mean all of them. You reported 4 silly bugs to Rockstar? Congratulations. I have never received any reply from them since I reported the most important problems all of us are suffering from. I already took it all with a grain of salt. There is nothing better coming out of a company who steals the game away from us. Should I say all companies are ignoring everyone? That is not true. I said bad ones because they're not necessarily evil but because they are so embarrassing and tend to mess up too many times and worse when people keep praising and supporting them. They just make stupid choices for money. I don't care about heroes and villains. It's up to the video-game world and fans to decide whether to fantasize about that or not.

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Ghetzi
5 hours ago, NativeX said:

OP asked for help, he got none except a bunch of replies from ignorant people.

 

On 12/2/2019 at 8:34 AM, Ghetzi said:

Without much to go on, the BSOD probably means your OC isn't stable at all.  It would be helpful to know which CPU you have, as 1.6v is most likely way too high and the probable cause behind it.  Yes, it will thermal throttle, but overdoing the voltage can seriously degrade the lifespan of your CPU.  The 9900k, for example, should max at 1.5v under normal conditions, likely resulting in very high core temps.  (There are exceptions, such as LN cooling, but I'm going to assume you're air cooled given your comment about the case.)  It can be deceiving because the system can boot up fine and seemingly operate normally which suggests stability, but when put under any load of significance the system will crash (BSOD).  Which is what I assume is happening here.  The best way to determine OC stability is to stress test it - what tools did you use to stress the new voltage?  Regarding microstutters specifically, it could be as simple as putting a cap on your fps, but it would be hard to help without more info on specs, drivers, etc.  For now, I recommend going into Bios and setting the CPU back to stock until you investigate further and the BSODs are resolved.

Please stop.

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NativeX
1 hour ago, Ghetzi said:

 

Please stop.

Precisely as I thought. You didn't read my replies.

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Ghetzi
6 hours ago, NativeX said:

Precisely as I thought. You didn't read my replies.

It's a bit like debating with a brick wall here.  You claimed OP asked for help and "he got none."  So I quoted my original reply to him which did nothing but offer him help.  I'm not sure what else needs to be said, I know when to quit.  Like now.

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dieseltech20

Stop feeding the troll. 

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Failed Again

Hope OP isn't in Australia

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