What would justify a Fallout 1st style paid subscription to you in RDO?

[RyuNova]

Fallout 1st is a paid subscription in FO76 that gives you a monthly amount of Premium Currency and unique items that other players cannot get.

 

Fates forbid but if we did get one what would make it attractive to you?

 

For me it would be;

 

Invite Only sessions with NO restrictions. Lobby creator has limited Admin powers like being able to kick people. World is persistent.
Fifteen Gold Bars a month.
Subscribers get access to all Limited Stock clothing in the W&R Catalogue at any time
All platform exclusive restrictions for items are removed so subscribers can access PS4 and PC exclusive items like the 1989 Pistol

Subscribers get drip-fed items a week early

Access to High Stakes Poker games

 

Thoughts/Additions?

[Ronin Ogami]

NO. F***ing NO. I pay my ISP, I pay for Xbox Gold, & I paid over $80 dollars for the game. Bad enough there's micro transactions. Go F*** that idea with a rusty chainsaw. That happens, I uninstall. I'm one of many MANY BETA players who put up with over a year of malfunctions, bugs & shoddy community relations. R* & Take a Dump aren't getting another dime from me, unless it's actual paid DLC or something that truly forwards the game.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Ronin Ogami

[Caffeination]

If it was a free or a heavily discounted game then, yeah, maybe.

 

But RDR2? A game that’s constantly full-price outside of eventual sales? Not at all.

[RyuNova]

11 minutes ago, Ronin Ogami said:

NO. F***ing NO. I pay my ISP, I pay for Xbox Gold, & I paid over $80 dollars for the game. Bad enough there's micro transactions. Go F*** that idea with a rusty chainsaw. That happens, I uninstall. I'm one of many MANY BETA players who put up with over a year of malfunctions, bugs & shoddy community relations. R* & Take a Dump aren't getting another dime from me, unless it's actual paid DLC or something that truly forwards the game.

 

I know, I don't want one either but I truly can see it happening so I was wondering what would make it worth it to players if it did happen.

Just now, Caffeination said:

If it was a free or a heavily discounted game then, yeah, maybe.

 

But RDR2? A game that’s constantly full-price outside of eventual sales? Not at all.

 

I get that, I am not asking if people want one because I already know the answer will be overwhelmingly be no but I am asking what would justify it to you.

[Bakkerbaard]

I was gonna say abso-f*cking-lutely nothing, and I kinda still stand by it as I believe for a game like this, where mucking around the lobby is most of the fun, limited access or private lobbies should be a standard feature and trying to monetise that would be akin to pissing in an already paying customer's mouth.

 

Having said that, the benefits you suggest @RyuNova would at least make me briefly consider the option, but I'm thinking it would boil down to subscription cost (which will likely be too high) and wether my gaming buddy would be willing to go that route (which he probably won't).

[RyuNova]

Just now, Bakkerbaard said:

I was gonna say abso-f*cking-lutely nothing, and I kinda still stand by it as I believe for a game like this, where mucking around the lobby is most of the fun, limited access or private lobbies should be a standard feature and trying to monetise that would be akin to pissing in an already paying customer's mouth.

 

Thats exactly what pissed FO76 players off the most. Bethesda said that Private Servers were coming, no mention that they would be paid at all and then they sh*t in peoples mouths with FO1st. Not to mention that the update that brought back NPC's and quests from them making it a classic FO game with MP was delayed for FO1st.

 

2 minutes ago, Bakkerbaard said:

Having said that, the benefits you suggest @RyuNova would at least make me briefly consider the option, but I'm thinking it would boil down to subscription cost (which will likely be too high) and wether my gaming buddy would be willing to go that route (which he probably won't).

 

FO1st is thirteen dollars and month or a hundred dollars a year.

[Leftover Pizza]

- Dedicated servers of play style types, meaning: PvP, PvE, RP

- Invite Only lobby option

- decent regular communication from the developers

- a solid working gameworld, not depending on the amount of players in the lobby

- real bug fixes

- regular updates on playable content, QoL content too

- void the need for PS Plus

- easy payment options

- a beta testers environment

- no time-gated content

- no microtransaction paywall content

 

 

I'd probably pay a monthly fee when those 'requirements' are met.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2019 by Leftover Pizza

[Caffeination]

50 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I am asking what would justify it to you.

A permanent discount on the game would justify it, alongside the following:-

 

• on-demand invite-only sessions

• special discounts on a variety of items, such as camp upgrades and weapons

• accessibility to all limited-time items

• free selection of new horse breeds

• high stakes poker, like you suggested

[Bakkerbaard]

1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

 

FO1st is thirteen dollars and month or a hundred dollars a year.

Yeah, I'm already paying for a subscription that I need to play online. I'm not paying $100 to play online-er. Make it thirteen dollars a year and I'll put it on my maybe-list, but I'm guessing it'll become a matter of principle where I just stubbornly refuse to pay just out of spite.

[ALifeOfMisery]

I've said before, in conversation with @RyuNova, and I'll paraphrase myself here, my principles would have me screaming hell f*cking no, instantly, upon the announcement of such a subscription.

 

However, pragmatically, $100/year just for the ability to play in small population, fully unrestricted invite only lobbies with other forum members would have me seriously considering comprising my own principles.

 

Add to that perks such as unlimited storage, unlimited/unrestricted access to cosmetics, an amount of "free" premium currency per month, early DLC access etc. and, although I hate to say it, I'd probably endure the self loathing of swiftly hitting that purchase button on the PS Store.

 

I feel dirty now, so I'm off to bathe in some bleach.

[RyuNova]

16 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I've said before, in conversation with @RyuNova, and I'll paraphrase myself here, my principles would have me screaming hell f*cking no, instantly, upon the announcement of such a subscription.

 

However, pragmatically, $100/year just for the ability to play in small population, fully unrestricted invite only lobbies with other forum members would have me seriously considering comprising my own principles.

 

Add to that perks such as unlimited storage, unlimited/unrestricted access to cosmetics, an amount of "free" premium currency per month, early DLC access etc. and, although I hate to say it, I'd probably endure the self loathing of swiftly hitting that purchase button on the PS Store.

 

I feel dirty now, so I'm off to bathe in some bleach.

 

Well reasoned.

[Burke]

Remove aim assist, remove deadeye, give me PC controls and tweaks.... take my money.

[ThaBirdCoot]

Online is what it's worth, and not a penny more. I'd like to see em try to pull that sh*t. I'll be one of many to definetly say bye bye to RDO. Nothing could justify this. Paying for private servers...get the f*ck outta here. This shouldnt even be up to debate. They have that ability and are withholding it for reasons well known...They certainly don't need more money pushed down their greedy throats. If you fall for that sorta move I feel sorry bout your integrity.

3 hours ago, Ronin Ogami said:

NO. F***ing NO. I pay my ISP, I pay for Xbox Gold, & I paid over $80 dollars for the game. Bad enough there's micro transactions. Go F*** that idea with a rusty chainsaw. That happens, I uninstall.

Yeah, right don't we all pay enough already ? It's always pay up pay up...man this f*cking world we live in.

[Karen Daniels]

For me... nothing that I can think of. It would have to be something truly game changing, and by that I mean, it would disrupt the balance of the game. It would also have to work directly with your Rockstar Social Club account so that it caries over to all platforms you play on and extend to GTA Online.

 

The invite only lobbies sound intriguing but alas... I have grown used to the public lobbies. While defensive mode is far from where it should be (all it would really take is lessening the damage from explosive rounds and incendiary shells), I think the pub lobbies give the world life. Much like GTA Online, the world of RDR2 is watered down for Online, and at least other players make it feel more alive, even if that is through sheer chaos.

[Potter145]

Rockstar follows a different strategy than Bethesda. They wouldn't want to split the player base.

 

Having said that, they already have a one year long deal with Twitch (Amazon) Prime, that gives you discounts, free stuff and currency, but nothing exclusive.

The difference is, Amazon Prime is worth it on it's own and it just adds to the subscription, you don't get any exclusive stuff (as it should be). And you wouldn't pay for the discounts alone, you just connect your accounts if you already have one for the benefits, but you also get all the other benefits, like free premium shipping, music, video and so on.

 

Now if Rockstar actually were to do their own subscription (which I don't believe) they should price it at $3.99/m or $40/y.

 

It should include everything they already do with twitch prime (discounts, free stuff, currencies) but more and bonuses on RDO$ and Gold Boosts like 50% more money instead of 40% and so on. Limited-time clothing being added permanently for subscribers could be a good idea. Anything else would be too divisive.

 

Obviously they need to update more frequently if that's the case.

[Rev. Gnash]

4 hours ago, RyuNova said:

Fallout 1st is a paid subscription in FO76 that gives you a monthly amount of Premium Currency and unique items that other players cannot get.

 

 

Bethesda needs an exorcism.

 

If Rockstar, makes a deal, with "the Goat of Mendes"...

 

Well, they can kiss my grits. (Flo)

 

On topic: I would, THINK about it. If they, included a Mexico map expansion. And gave the player access to NPC hats. I want, that smoking cap.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Rev. Gnash

[BUT THE BENZ]

My camp keeps disappearing....maybe when that's fixed I start to think about spending cash on the game, again.

[Rev. Gnash]

3 hours ago, RyuNova said:

Not to mention that the update that brought back NPC's and quests from them making it a classic FO game with MP was delayed for FO1st.

 

 

FO1st is thirteen dollars and month or a hundred dollars a year.

Grotesque.

[Leftover Pizza]

49 minutes ago, executor404 said:

Rockstar follows a different strategy than Bethesda. They wouldn't want to split the player base.

 

Having said that, they already have a one year long deal with Twitch (Amazon) Prime, that gives you discounts, free stuff and currency, but nothing exclusive.

The difference is, Amazon Prime is worth it on it's own and it just adds to the subscription, you don't get any exclusive stuff (as it should be). And you wouldn't pay for the discounts alone, you just connect your accounts if you already have one for the benefits, but you also get all the other benefits, like free premium shipping, music, video and so on.

 

Now if Rockstar actually were to do their own subscription (which I don't believe) they should price it at $3.99/m or $40/y.

 

It should include everything they already do with twitch prime (discounts, free stuff, currencies) but more and bonuses on RDO$ and Gold Boosts like 50% more money instead of 40% and so on. Limited-time clothing being added permanently for subscribers could be a good idea. Anything else would be too divisive.

 

Obviously they need to update more frequently if that's the case.

 

They don't have to split their playerbase, if enough options are given; several character slots per dedicated server type or instanced PvP/PvE activities and keep Freeroam clear from both. 

Blizzard uses the monthly sub system for 15 years successfully in World of Warcraft already. If Rockstar would do anything near the game quality/experience with this game, I'd have no problem paying a monthly fee for it. 

In this game's case I don't care about free items given or not. I do care for a stable gaming environment where everyone can enjoy the game their own way. 

[Jason]

We shouldn't be paying extra for things already in the game, or for things like lobby options. That'd be horrible.

 

Subscription fees for games work best when it's mandatory, such as MMORPG's. You pay for active, on-going support from both a technical point of view (server costs, bug fixes, etc) and also new content on a regular basis. Every three to five months isn't regular.

 

When it comes to optional subscription fees it's always gonna be messy. They simply don't work very well when it comes to the games health regardless of what the subscription provides. At the very least they 1) shouldn't split the playerbase and 2) create a divide between the non-paying playerbase and paying playerbase. Essentially, the only thing that a theoretical RDO optional subscription should provide is things like a monthly currency gift and potentially some things like exclusive cosmetics, or early access to cosmetics. Free access to roles potentially could work too. Early or exclusive access to playable content or progression based content and items (weapons, ability cards) would be horrible.

 

But really, RDO shouldn't go anywhere near it a subscription fee. Fallout 76's subscription is an absolute farce with or without the private servers. It's an absolute piss take and just flat out screams "lets milk it before it dies". It's insulting to Fallout 76's loyal players who've stuck with a game that absolutely did not deserve sticking with.

 

If Rockstar announced a service like this I'd probably be close to or completely done with the game. If their priority would be something like this over say adding new playable content, adding QoL features and supporting things like cross platform multiplayer and progression, then RDO will become a game I no longer wish to support or play.

[RyuNova]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

We shouldn't be paying extra for things already in the game, or for things like lobby options. That'd be horrible.

 

 

I agree and I am in no way endorsing it or trying to rile people up.

[SinZer0s]

I'd pay a subscription if Clifford started world war 3, thanks to 4 mute weirdos though I can safely say FUUUUCK NOOOOO.

 

Oh yeah, nothing would motivate to pay, in fact, invite only sessions and basic stuff like that would only make me run up to an ex classmate's house and slide the disc under his door as the sh*ttiest christmas gift ever.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Darkshadows

[Foxwolfe]

Nothing.

[GEИESIS]

This would be the absolutely WORST thing they ever introduce. This would definitely drive most players away from the game.

[Foxwolfe]

I would move back to single player or another game at that point.

[shaise]

they put a sub? they'll take my balls

[Shadowfennekin]

Getting to kick Bethesda's and Strauss in the balls

 

 

[Pocket Fox]

I don't do subscriptions in games with micro/macrotransactions and a full price-tag.

 

Games should have ONE monetisation option to support their development. Not three+

 

For a subscription, RDRO would need to have gold bars removed and all content that requires gold changed to cash and the cash payouts of activities increased by x3 or x4

[gtmike]

My thoughts? That's mostly just a list of sh*t that should be in the game for free.

 

f*ck anyone who would even consider that garbage, you are the reason games are monetized the way they are these days.

[RyuNova]

2 hours ago, gtmike said:

f*ck anyone who would even consider that garbage, you are the reason games are monetized the way they are these days.

 

Thats not very nice. If you actually read my posts you can see I am against it. This is just a hypothetical scenario.