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Dudu RDRII

MAJOR downgrade with Patch 1.14!!! (Report)

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Darealbandicoot
20 minutes ago, Johnnyb17 said:

Chances of a patch coming this week? You gotta wonder are Rockstar reading all these complaints?

Slim to none 

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Ironside

R* will not scramble to patch what they have destroyed on the console version. If they will fix any of it, and that is a huge IF, they will take their time as they actually only care about online. 

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Tha-Jamz
2 hours ago, Johnnyb17 said:

f*ck that! They should revert graphics back to 1.0 quality in the next patch ! 

 

 

 

Or just fix the dawm game in general, its full of problems after patch 1.14.

IMHO they broke the game i bought in many ways, to the point that its almost unplayable now after the latest patch.

 

Here are some old articles, they lied a lot !

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2018/11/14/red-dead-redemption-2-online-release-date-rumors-and-latest-details/#4f7800123dd6

 

https://za.ign.com/red-dead-redemption-2-1/125086/feature/red-dead-online-devs-reveal-first-details

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/11/01/red-dead-2-on-pc-rockstar-answers-our-pressing-questions

 

 

 

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lilathrone

I uploaded 15 secs of xbox game capture to youtube.

 

 

I was shaking the camera, because you can see it better how the frame rate is struggling to keep up. If you are holding a controller, it feels even worse, though I hope you can agree this is not an acceptable framerate. And it's in an open area, in crowded towns it only gets worse.

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Confuzzeled
20 hours ago, Tha-Jamz said:

 

Ill do that, keep you posted on what Sony got to say about that, as far as the V 1.00..... PC players dont know any better, they've never seen or played the V 1.00, not that it matters graphic wise but the rest like spawns, wild horses etc, so they dont miss what they've never had...

Yeah i feel ya, "we" console players backed the game with many pre-orders and a sh*tty beta launch for online were we got the gold bar store in the very first update ! instead of other things, and now PC players get everything in a week time ?!! Things we are asking for for about a [email protected]#$kin year already !!

 

It feels like a knife in the back. [email protected]#$%!

Cheers mate. Any updates? Very interested in what...if anything...that they say. I'd like to be able to play Destiny 2 or Gta online for a while without all of a sudden ending up with RDR2 1.14 (again) without noticing. Extremely and unbelievably annoying. 

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Ripstart01
13 hours ago, Ironside said:

That is a shortsighted way of making money. Yes, if a company wants to make a lot of extra cash now but lose out on it later then R* has chosen the correct path. But I and many with me is not as forgiving, I have stopped buying games from companies before when I have felt unfairly treated. R* may not think that story mode needs any fixes at all and they may just continue down their path of brand destruction while gold bar-money keep pouring in and they will pay for it in the long run. 
 

Look what happened to Bioware and compare how fans felt and acted towards the company before and after ME3 and later ME-Andromeda. Bioware was the rising star and more or less the entire fandom loved them and their creations. After ME3 the fans just killed Biowares reputation and the rest is as we say, history. I will not debate if ME3 was good or bad but an overwhelming part of fandom and future potential customers obviously hated it and they hated even more the arrogance and attitude from Bioware. 
 

Same kind of arrogance and attitude R* is showing us now, have an issue with story mode and you will get redirected to RDRO feedback. Every empire falls and no superpower lasts forever, same is true within the gaming industry. The goal as a company is to make as much money over as long time as possible as that will in the end guarantee that even when the company itself is no longer in its prime, their brands may still be valuable. But take a piss on your fans and they will hopefully remember it, this is why I have decided that R*s next patch need to come within a month and it needs to fix all issues introduced with the 1.14 patch or they have lost me as a potential customer no matter what they will make in the future. I may still play their games but I will buy them second hand and on disc. 

I couldn't agree more, I also think it is completely shortsighted. It's hard to know what the player-base actually is due to so many sales.

 

What I liked when GTA IV came out, is that it was a well polished and an extremely well thought-out game, with the offer of amazing DLC packs that were almost the size of an entire game in themselves for serious value. That is how consumers SHOULD be treated.

 

You make a very good point though that we can give our most powerful feedback in future by simply waiting a few weeks after the next major release, and buying a second hand disk.

 

I have had a guts full of R*'s attitude towards their true fans, they set up a third-party wall of outsourced support so they can ignore everything and anything reported, then focus first and foremost on stopping people getting those to the other half of the map, extra horses, trinkets and removing that holster. Glitches that are completely optional and are just about fun really. Most people agreed there is no point hiding those unlockables to the Epilogue where there is no use for them by that stage. Patch the fun immediately but don't fix anything requested. They rushed the game out without tidying up the cut-content leftovers, but then refuse to comment on that and won't release a story DLC to expand on it.

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Tha-Jamz
32 minutes ago, Confuzzeled said:

Cheers mate. Any updates? Very interested in what...if anything...that they say. I'd like to be able to play Destiny 2 or Gta online for a while without all of a sudden ending up with RDR2 1.14 (again) without noticing. Extremely and unbelievably annoying. 

Yep i called Sony 2day, told em about disabling the auto update problem (not working) and the person said:"Uhmmm i have to ask do you have minute sir ? can you hold pls ?"

 

Sure ! i said (of course) after 10 minutes the person came back on the phone and believe it or not, started with "hello sir thanks for waiting", i said no problem ! and followed with : "hello ? hello ? i cant hear you ?! hello ? beep... beep... beep... Hung up....

 

But ! the person already asked for my name and phone number before (wich i gave) but never called me back.

So i send them an e-mail and will call em 2morrow again for a complaint and to ask again.

 

I think they know that this "future" on the PS4 is still broken, if you Google it you will see that its a problem sinds 2015 and with every firmware update they say it was fixed...

 

Lies, lies, lies. (but i will not give up easily)

To be continued..........

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Ironside
1 hour ago, lilathrone said:

I uploaded 15 secs of xbox game capture to youtube.

 

 

I was shaking the camera, because you can see it better how the frame rate is struggling to keep up. If you are holding a controller, it feels even worse, though I hope you can agree this is not an acceptable framerate. And it's in an open area, in crowded towns it only gets worse.

The whole feeling of motion is f*cked up with the 1.14 The fps is not only struggling, it is making something akin to microstutters that may be difficult to see if one is not very sensitive to these issues. But even those not that sensitive will feel that something is definitely off with the whole experience. When even third person aiming magically makes trees and houses in the distant disappear, then one knows the game is tucked up. 
 

This is why it is so refreshing to have reverted back to 1.00 on my pro, yes the game is not as polished around the edges as I would like and there are some bugs but that should not make you deterred from reverting to 1.00

 

I instantly felt how smooth the game was after reverting to 1.00 as the frames no longer behaved as someone with a nervous breakdown. No game breaking issues at all in the 1.00 version. I was so certain that the 1.00 version was way better when it came to fps and visuals so I booted up my children’s pro and made a real mess at home that my wife did not like, she really cannot see the positives with having a 55inch and a 65inch TV in the living room at the same time... Women of the non gamer archetype 😞 But she is my wife and I love her and she loved me so she was ok with me being the nutty professor and playing the same game at the same time on two different ps4-pro and TVs. 
 

Side by side the result was even more astounding!!! The 1.00 really do have better fps and actually(this surprised me) less input lagg than 1.14. On all we have spoke about in this thread, the 1.00 is better with everything and sometimes it is a win by walkover as some cool things do not even exist in 1.14, like the “horse glitch” for instance. The only less good I have stumbled upon during my maybe 12 hours on 1.00. now is the following 1: Ok the skybox is not that great, a little sloppy as some stars are huge and have more the form of a square than a more realistic star. 2: The radar is more sluggish and can feel a little bit sluggish but the rest of the screen behaves perfect. 3: The map is not as smooth when one puts down a waypoint as it can take several seconds until a red path is calculated. But this little quirk is not limited to 1.00 as I remember is being there for the first few runs complete runs I did in this game and I am certain they where all on different versions. 4: I have met people like the boss of the railroad construction team and not been given the chance to accept his proposal, easy solution I just loaded a previous save and there was no issues the next time I tried. So my advice to you guys playing 1.00 would be the same as if you played any version, save often and play the game slow and really enjoy the opportunity to play the game as it was intended(or very close to how it was intended) because I do not think we will get a patch that is better than the 1.00 original version. 

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Confuzzeled
1 hour ago, Tha-Jamz said:

Yep i called Sony 2day, told em about disabling the auto update problem (not working) and the person said:"Uhmmm i have to ask do you have minute sir ? can you hold pls ?"

 

Sure ! i said (of course) after 10 minutes the person came back on the phone and believe it or not, started with "hello sir thanks for waiting", i said no problem ! and followed with : "hello ? hello ? i cant hear you ?! hello ? beep... beep... beep... Hung up....

 

But ! the person already asked for my name and phone number before (wich i gave) but never called me back.

So i send them an e-mail and will call em 2morrow again for a complaint and to ask again.

 

I think they know that this "future" on the PS4 is still broken, if you Google it you will see that its a problem sinds 2015 and with every firmware update they say it was fixed...

 

Lies, lies, lies. (but i will not give up easily)

To be continued..........

Seriously?? 

 

How sleazy! Hopefully you'll have more luck tomorrow. Your efforts haven't gone unnoticed by us. Much appreciated!

 

Will keep an eye out for an update tomorrow. 

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Ironside

Also want to add that my scheduled working trip has been postponed so I will actually have all week free if I like. I know that I need to do some work as I do not want to build a mountain of work that one day becomes impossible to climb. So why is this important!? It means that from tomorrow and onwards until Monday it seems that I will have way more free time to explore and enjoy version 1.00 and I am very thankful for those of you that pushed me gently in the right direction and made me find the 1.00 version. As I mentioned earlier, it will take a miraculous patch to bring 1.14 from the depths of the ninth circle of hell and make me play the up to date version of the game instead of 1.00. 
 

My guess is that next patch will bring the weapons like my old favorite LeMat into story mode but that it will not fix all or even any of the real issues. R* will act as if bringing new content into the game is good enough for us peasants no matter if the game is broken or not. So sure, I feel a little bit sad that I have no idea when and/or if I will be able to play a version that works good enough and at the same time has all those new guns 😞 But as is, it is not worth patching just to get the new guns.

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Hmmm Beer

My PS4 fan is running way faster and harder since the update. 

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Ironside
3 hours ago, Hmmm Beer said:

My PS4 fan is running way faster and harder since the update. 

Yes, that seems to be the case as I understand it. The thing about 1.14 is that it is the patch of garbage that keep surprising us everyday with how badly it actually screwed up the game. 

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Darealbandicoot
1 hour ago, Ironside said:

Yes, that seems to be the case as I understand it. The thing about 1.14 is that it is the patch of garbage that keep surprising us everyday with how badly it actually screwed up the game. 

Still you've got people defending this patch saying they don't have any issues 

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Cutter De Blanc

I didn't play 1.14 long enough to have issues. That incindiary shotgun sound put me right the f*ck off. Reminds me of a cartoon.

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Ironside
38 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Still you've got people defending this patch saying they don't have any issues 

The ones defending the 1.14 patch must be blind, deaf, mentally challenged or all of those combined. It literally takes a few minutes to see, hear and in every way experience that the patch f*cked up the game. Just look at all the trees and houses just disappear while aiming at them, even in third person. And the game is way more sluggish compared to all the earlier updates, even the bad ones. The thing about the 1.14 patch wether it made the game better or worse is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of perception and it did indeed and unquestionably make the game way worse than it was pre-patch 1.14. 

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JC_HUMBLE

Sorry but I will give this game a rest, I've been playing it since release and It's easily my fav of the generation. I was having an amazing third replay before 1.14 ruined my experience, I'm forced to stop playing just for the sake of not hating this game...I might come back when the new content is available or if miraculously gets fixed... but not now... We’re Fans, Of A Company That Don’t Want Us No More

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El Penguin Bobo

ugh I f*cking hate that loading bar in the beginning, it looks like it came from GTA 3. Wish they just kept it plain black.

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Ripstart01
1 hour ago, Ironside said:

The ones defending the 1.14 patch must be blind, deaf, mentally challenged or all of those combined. It literally takes a few minutes to see, hear and in every way experience that the patch f*cked up the game. Just look at all the trees and houses just disappear while aiming at them, even in third person. And the game is way more sluggish compared to all the earlier updates, even the bad ones. The thing about the 1.14 patch wether it made the game better or worse is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of perception and it did indeed and unquestionably make the game way worse than it was pre-patch 1.14. 

Yeah, that cannot be a co-incidence that this patch was released exactly at the time of PC release. The developers knew what changes were being made, they would have had to physically test those changes to verify them. Before releasing the update they will have a testing process and could clearly see that there are several game-braking changes - "good, it's ready to send out"

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PapasHota

so the they f*cked even more with this bullsh*t, thanks the f*ckin lord i still have the 1.00 version.

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Cutter De Blanc
38 minutes ago, El Penguin Bobo said:

ugh I f*cking hate that loading bar in the beginning, it looks like it came from GTA 3. Wish they just kept it plain black.

Loading the loading screen 

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~INDIO~
1 hour ago, Ripstart01 said:

Yeah, that cannot be a co-incidence that this patch was released exactly at the time of PC release. The developers knew what changes were being made, they would have had to physically test those changes to verify them. Before releasing the update they will have a testing process and could clearly see that there are several game-braking changes - "good, it's ready to send out"

Looks to me like it's simply incompetence. They don't seem to test anything before release. Laughable really.

But who cares about maintaining the quality of an 8 year developed campaign when we can get BRIGHT PINK DOTTED COATS AND HATS IN ONLINE?!😃

 

Zelnick can waffle on about "Listening to the consumer" and all that corporate horsesh*t, still doesn't mean they give 2 sh*ts what long term fans want.

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Ripstart01
34 minutes ago, ~INDIO~ said:

Looks to me like it's simply incompetence. They don't seem to test anything before release. Laughable really.

But who cares about maintaining the quality of an 8 year developed campaign when we can get BRIGHT PINK DOTTED COATS AND HATS IN ONLINE?!😃

 

Zelnick can waffle on about "Listening to the consumer" and all that corporate horsesh*t, still doesn't mean they give 2 sh*ts what long term fans want.

I feel sorry for the developers that have been on since the start. They put so much work into crafting this excellent game, to find out a lot of their content was cut at the last minute and then they are told to pour their efforts into destroying the thing they worked so hard to create, as well as model up pink f*cking coats and sh*t. To be told by the boss to start deliberately ruining the game you may have spent 8 years working on must be crushing.

 

They must be so keen to jump off the boat by now. With every set of instructions for the next patch their hearts sink further.

 

...Knowing Rockstar though they probably fired or pigeon-holed their senior devs after release and hired a team of Indian/Asian junior plebs to be the 'patching team', blindly following instructions without question.

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Red Hardbro
51 minutes ago, Ripstart01 said:

I feel sorry for the developers that have been on since the start. They put so much work into crafting this excellent game, to find out a lot of their content was cut at the last minute and then they are told to pour their efforts into destroying the thing they worked so hard to create, as well as model up pink f*cking coats and sh*t. To be told by the boss to start deliberately ruining the game you may have spent 8 years working on must be crushing.

 

They must be so keen to jump off the boat by now. With every set of instructions for the next patch their hearts sink further.

 

...Knowing Rockstar though they probably fired or pigeon-holed their senior devs after release and hired a team of Indian/Asian junior plebs to be the 'patching team', blindly following instructions without question.

I agree I’ve visited India and China very lovely countries, but when they come over here their not bringing their best. Their bringing scammers, hackers, and campers and I’m not gonna stand for it I’m going to build a firewall to keep them out. Red Dead is going to be a better place and I guarantee it it’s gonna be whuge! 

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Dudu RDRII
On 11/11/2019 at 4:58 AM, Ironside said:

I presume I am a lot older than you, but I share the sentiment. I cannot get myself to pay for any game that is not loved by the very company making it. And RDR2 story mode is definitely not getting any love at all from R* and to me that is very surprising as the game truly is/was their magnum opus no matter how one chooses to see it. So even if R* make more money selling the sh*tty gold bars, they should feel pride in the game and story that once was RDR2. I really cannot see myself ever updating from 1.00 ever again if not something akin to a miracle will happen because I am frankly not sure R* will rebuild what they have destroyed and that makes me sad. 

I'm nineteen, I play Rockstar titles since I was only eight years old, the first one was GTA Vice City.

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Ripstart01
1 hour ago, Red Hardbro said:

I agree I’ve visited India and China very lovely countries, but when they come over here their not bringing their best. Their bringing scammers, hackers, and campers and I’m not gonna stand for it I’m going to build a firewall to keep them out. Red Dead is going to be a better place and I guarantee it it’s gonna be whuge! 

Haha I was more referring to young people + cheap wages + language barrier is easier to follow blind instructions. Similar to Rockstar Support, who do not usually understand the questions and just forward on a generic response without a single fk

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Ironside
2 hours ago, Dudu RDRII said:

I'm nineteen, I play Rockstar titles since I was only eight years old, the first one was GTA Vice City.

I am 37 and very soon to be 38, oh God I feel old. I stared with GTA, the very first one but I cannot honestly say that I have been a hardcore fan since that game. No, for me it took a while before I really started to love R* and their games and I think it was GTAIV that first made me hooked for real. Then of course with RDR as I am a professional historian and I have always preferred games that take place in a historical setting rather than a modern one, even if said setting is more fiction than true history. So to me you are very young 🙂 But do not take that as an insult or anything like that, I am quite certain that you will talk about games with a nineteen year old gamer when you are close to my age. If I have any power over how I will die, it will be a long time from now while paying games! 

2 hours ago, Red Hardbro said:

I agree I’ve visited India and China very lovely countries, but when they come over here their not bringing their best. Their bringing scammers, hackers, and campers and I’m not gonna stand for it I’m going to build a firewall to keep them out. Red Dead is going to be a better place and I guarantee it it’s gonna be whuge! 

Great Trump impersonation there! 🙂 

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~INDIO~

I'm 30 so inbetween you guys haha, been a fan since GTA1 too.

Wonder how old we'll be when RDR3 releases😮

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Dudu RDRII
36 minutes ago, Ironside said:

I am 37 and very soon to be 38, oh God I feel old. I stared with GTA, the very first one but I cannot honestly say that I have been a hardcore fan since that game. No, for me it took a while before I really started to love R* and their games and I think it was GTAIV that first made me hooked for real. Then of course with RDR as I am a professional historian and I have always preferred games that take place in a historical setting rather than a modern one, even if said setting is more fiction than true history. So to me you are very young 🙂 But do not take that as an insult or anything like that, I am quite certain that you will talk about games with a nineteen year old gamer when you are close to my age. If I have any power over how I will die, it will be a long time from now while paying games! 

Great Trump impersonation there! 🙂 

I understand, soon you will have the same age John Marston has in Red Dead Redemption 1 haha, I also plan to die playing video games at an older age, even though life doesn't always go to plan unfortunately, then all I can do is hope for the best.

 

Also... have you guys seen this? If it's true, at least something good is coming our way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/dvk658/rockstar_will_add_the_new_m1899_pistol_on_console/

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Ironside
1 hour ago, Dudu RDRII said:

I understand, soon you will have the same age John Marston has in Red Dead Redemption 1 haha, I also plan to die playing video games at an older age, even though life doesn't always go to plan unfortunately, then all I can do is hope for the best.

 

Also... have you guys seen this? If it's true, at least something good is coming our way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/dvk658/rockstar_will_add_the_new_m1899_pistol_on_console/

Still seems online only, and the very gun itself is of no interest to me personally as it is not a revolver. But even if the LeMat and the Evans-repeater makes it into story mode on console, it would not change much sadly as the game is truly unplayable as it is now. I have now played 1.00 for a few days and I can really vouch for that those saying that the 1.00 version is king really is no exaggeration. 
 

Giving us new guns in story mode and keep the rest of the 1.14 update will not make me switch back to the updated version, they will need to do way more than that. If they rolled back to 1.13 and then implement the new stuff, sure... But sadly 1.00 will still be better overall. 

1 hour ago, Dudu RDRII said:

I understand, soon you will have the same age John Marston has in Red Dead Redemption 1 haha, I also plan to die playing video games at an older age, even though life doesn't always go to plan unfortunately, then all I can do is hope for the best.

 

Also... have you guys seen this? If it's true, at least something good is coming our way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/dvk658/rockstar_will_add_the_new_m1899_pistol_on_console/

Still seems online only, and he very gun itself is of no interest to me personally as it is not a revolver. But even if the LeMat and the Evans-repeater makes it into story mode on console, it would not change much sadly as the game is truly unplayable as it is now. I have now played 1.00 for a few days and I can really vouch for that those saying that the 1.00 version is king really is no exaggeration. 
 

Giving us new guns in story mode and keep the rest of the 1.14 update will not make me switch back to the updated version, they will need to do way more than that. If they rolled back to 1.13 and then implement the new stuff, sure... But sadly 1.00 will still be better overall. 

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Dudu RDRII
1 hour ago, Ironside said:

Still seems online only, and the very gun itself is of no interest to me personally as it is not a revolver. But even if the LeMat and the Evans-repeater makes it into story mode on console, it would not change much sadly as the game is truly unplayable as it is now. I have now played 1.00 for a few days and I can really vouch for that those saying that the 1.00 version is king really is no exaggeration. 
 

Giving us new guns in story mode and keep the rest of the 1.14 update will not make me switch back to the updated version, they will need to do way more than that. If they rolled back to 1.13 and then implement the new stuff, sure... But sadly 1.00 will still be better overall. 

Still seems online only, and he very gun itself is of no interest to me personally as it is not a revolver. But even if the LeMat and the Evans-repeater makes it into story mode on console, it would not change much sadly as the game is truly unplayable as it is now. I have now played 1.00 for a few days and I can really vouch for that those saying that the 1.00 version is king really is no exaggeration. 
 

Giving us new guns in story mode and keep the rest of the 1.14 update will not make me switch back to the updated version, they will need to do way more than that. If they rolled back to 1.13 and then implement the new stuff, sure... But sadly 1.00 will still be better overall. 

I don't think the M1899 will make it's way into Red Dead Online, not soon at least, otherwise Rockstar would've called it M1898 instead considering it's real life counterpart is the M1900. But first I want Rockstar to fix the game, then add new content, the M1899 will surely take the Mauser's place and become my favorite weapon in the game.

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