GTA Online and Red Dead Online: Suspended accounts’ all online progress, property and inventory will be reset

[RyuNova]

https://www.spieltimes.com/news/gta-online-and-red-dead-online-suspended-accounts-all-online-progress-property-and-inventory-will-be-reset/

 

Found on Reddit.

 

Rockstar Games has posted answers on five subjects related to money lobbies, glitch abusing, account boosting, online mods, exploits, temporary and permanent account suspensions.

If you’re found abusing glitches or other in-game exploits on Rockstar Games Social Club Accounts, your account will be suspended.  Other activities include –

• modding in online games
• exploiting or abusing game mechanics in online games
• participating in “money lobbies”
• account boosting
• account “recovery”
• promoting methods of abuse/glitching
• promoting modding of online games
• manipulating protected game data and code,
• interfering with other players’ gameplay experience.

“Some accounts may be corrected, rather than suspended, which removes illegitimately gained cash, rank, property or inventory,” Rockstar writes. “Rockstar Games Social Club Account suspensions due to these reasons may be temporary suspensions or permanent bans depending on the user’s actions.”

As mentioned, Rockstar has posted about two types of account suspensions – temporary and permanent (also known as a ban). On the company’s EULA page, it says, “If we believe or have any reason to suspect that you have engaged in an Unauthorized Transaction, you further agree that Licensor may, in its sole discretion, restrict your access to your available VC and VG in your User Account or terminate or suspend your User Account and your rights to any VC, VG, and other items associated with your User Account.”

Temporary Suspension

If your Social Club account is temporarily suspended, you won’t be able to access online play for, be it Red Dead Online or GTA Online for a limited period. The suspension expiration date will be displayed on the in-game splash screen of the Story Mode. Additionally, all your online progress will be reset. This includes your character progression, missions, property and inventory.

If you continue to violate Rockstar’s Terms and Conditions, your account may face a permanent ban.

Permanent Ban

Some accounts may be immediately banned from all titles, without first being suspended, for violations including cheat development, malicious attacks against Rockstar titles and services, or other egregious violations of Rockstar’s EULA or Terms of Service.

 

The one thing that catches my eye is "account boosting", pretty sure that's purposefully exploiting the games mechanics to quickly gain levels...which everyone is guilty of. Getting a group of friends and running loads of small deliveries to grind Trader or getting a high level friend to spawn $$$ Bounties for low levels.

Edited October 24, 2019 by RyuNova

[Non Funkable Token]

If it's "game mechanics", how on Earth using ("abusing") them can be considered players' fault? Don't put those mechanics in the game to begin with.......

 

Their EULA is getting more restrictive and ridiculous over time. Now it seems they want to open themselves a window to "correct" even players that haven't glitched and have grinded efficiently at will. 

[rusbeckia]

Just bullsh*t panic-creating, nothing else. 
money glitching was never punished and will never be punished by R*. 
 

all my accounts are completely fine.

[RyuNova]

9 minutes ago, Mirror Park Resident said:

Now it seems they want to open themselves a window to "correct" even players that haven't glitched and have grinded efficiently at will.

 

Basically. They reserve the right to punish you for making money too quickly.

[~INDIO~]

So glad I left online 

They should be grateful anyone actually wants to play that abysmal mess.

Start working on your 1 year old game Rockstar, instead of blaming players for your inadequacies.

[rusbeckia]

9 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

Basically. They reserve the right to punish you for making money too quickly.

They won‘t do anything. All the sources in the article above are answered support questions and really just basic 0815-answers. 
there‘s nothing new about them stating that they will punish „abusing game mechanics“, they‘ve said that for gta hundred times (never as an official company statement, much rather quoting their EULA and their terms of services) and they support-page stated it for the RDO beta in the beginning.

however nothing ever happened to money glitchers, except in the very early „billionaire“ days of gta online and when that orbital cannon exploit was out 2 years ago. But this wasn‘t even a glitch, you just disconnected after using the cannon and got the money back (which was never withdrawn). All other more complex glitches remained unpunished. It‘s really just a myth, at least when it comes to consoles. I‘ve made over 800 Million with frozen money in gtao 2 years ago, several different dupe glitches, teleport, etc.. and nothing ever happened. 
i‘ve also got a rdo account with 100 glitched goldbars from the Award reset and like 50k from the cougar unlimited sell. And that‘s not even much.

i got a friend with 500-600 goldbars and 170k or so, all glitched money and he is doing fine.
modding, money lobbies, etc on pc are a whole nother level of cheating and way easier performed, hence the numerous bans on pc.

[Lonely-Martin]

Until we see them actually do anything, it's all just bullsh*t and lies. We know millions get away clean! I don't remember RDRO having anything happen yet, and we know many went to town on every exploit to fill their boots, lol.

 

They haven't got the bottle to ban the amount we've seen over the last 5+ years in GTA:O or the first year of RDRO, lol. No chance they start now.

 

GTA wins though, over there we can legitimately remove that type of player ourselves. Here we're relying on R*'s bottle to actually do it for us.

 

They won't. If they genuinely want players to respect what they say on this topic, actions speak louder than lies, I mean, words. Including a legitimate avenue for if their auto ban system makes mistakes. Appeals are a must when some spend real cash on this crap and risk R* just saying 'you're banned' without reason.

 

Granted, everyone would scream innocence, but that's where R* come into it and make sure bans are warranted fairly.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[Caffeination]

*pounces on players*
 

owo, what’s this? counterfeiting virtual currency instead of buying it?? in games you’ve already paid in which we made our workers develop in unpaid overtime??? oooohh, you did a biiiiig f*cky w*cky this time! >:3c

 

we, a tax-evading corporation that also steals indie development subsidies from the government, won’t tolerate any harmlessly-contained glitchs in our games! it’s shameless fraud! shameless, we say!

[RyuNova]

10 minutes ago, Caffeination said:

*pounces on players*

 

OwO

*notices bulge* ....Player-chan....is that a Gold Bar in your pants?

[Rev. Gnash]

57 minutes ago, Caffeination said:

...you did a biiiiig f*cky w*cky this time! >:3c

 

Hilarious

Edited October 24, 2019 by Rev. Gnash

[Rokushakubo]

Probably scare tactics but glitchng/exploiting games ruin them for me so I don't need to worry either way. My 100k was legit. 

[Ghoffman9]

Funny how "money lobbies" is included. Clearly something from Gta Online where a bunch of people with a set goal in mind peacefully coexisting. Guess they don't like players removing themselves from the community's infamous toxicity to do their own thing peacefully. Course the sh*t Take Two been doing lately, it doesn't surprise me. First the Casino in Gta Online, then a gambling simulator in NBA 2k. 

Giving rise to the "Get this basketball out of my gambling simulator." meme.

[ALifeOfMisery]

What I take from this is that R* have so little faith in their anti cheat that they are just getting their ducks in a row before the inevitable sh*tshow that RDO on PC will be.

 

R* have seldom, if ever, gone in heavy on console (subscription paying) players. I don't expect that to change. The PC crowd, on the other hand, should brace themselves.

 

I've very little intention of even touching RDO on PC, I'll be using RedM after I've done with SP. I'll stick to the relative safety of console gaming for all my RDO needs.

[RyuNova]

7 minutes ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Funny how "money lobbies" is included. Clearly something from Gta Online where a bunch of people with a set goal in mind peacefully coexisting. Guess they don't like players removing themselves from the community's infamous toxicity to do their own thing peacefully.

 

Pretty sure that a Lobby dedicated to people making money in peace would be classed, like you said, as a "money lobby" or "account boosting"

 

3 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

What I take from this is that R* have so little faith in their anti cheat that they are just getting their ducks in a row before the inevitable sh*tshow that RDO on PC will be.

 

 

GTAO "anti-cheat" was built with dried semen and chewing gum, just added to as time went on. RDO's anti-cheat system was built from the ground up with Microtransactions in mind from the start. I think people will be surprised what R* can see

[Lonely-Martin]

32 minutes ago, Rokushakubo said:

Probably scare tactics but glitchng/exploiting games ruin them for me so I don't need to worry either way. My 100k was legit. 

Just how I feel. The PC release is due soon and many got fed up with GTA:O  R* are hoping to look mean on it all to sell the game to those in hope they go online again.

 

22 minutes ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Funny how "money lobbies" is included. Clearly something from Gta Online where a bunch of people with a set goal in mind peacefully coexisting. Guess they don't like players removing themselves from the community's infamous toxicity to do their own thing peacefully. Course the sh*t Take Two been doing lately, it doesn't surprise me. First the Casino in Gta Online, then a gambling simulator in NBA 2k. 

Giving rise to the "Get this basketball out of my gambling simulator." meme.

I wonder if they've added code to tell how many sales we do with no high demand bonus now, lol.

 

I'm so glad those businesses are a thing of the past for me. But if more is coming, uugh.

 

Unrelated, but do T2 make WWE2K games? That's going through a tricky launch, to put it mildly, lol. Just found that all funny when reading my wrestling forums.

 

(* Ahh, a money lobby, as in cash dropping onto players etc? I just brushed over the main info, lol. Maybe misread that part. Still unconvinced R* will do close to a dent in the issues overall though, including bug fixes etc).

Edited October 24, 2019 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[ALifeOfMisery]

On 10/24/2019 at 1:37 PM, RyuNova said:

GTAO "anti-cheat" was built with dried semen and chewing gum, just added to as time went on. RDO's anti-cheat system was built from the ground up with Microtransactions in mind from the start. I think people will be surprised what R* can see

I genuinely believe that almost everything can be tracked in both games. 

 

I find it hard to believe that R* couldn't, if they wished, track that a player has sold hundreds of cars for the exact same value without buying more than one. 

 

Same goes for the Cougar/Pike duping and treasure chest glitches, R* could track that a player has opened 100 treasure chests or have sold 200 Pike in an hour.

 

R* seem to operate under wilful ignorance when it comes to console players while PC players get f*cked by a deeply flawed automated system.

 

If R* do intend on becoming even more Draconian towards PC players or make any attempt to tackle console based cheating, they need to get their sh*t together first. Because the false flag ban waves just aren't acceptable.

On 10/24/2019 at 1:45 PM, Lonely-Martin said:

Unrelated, but do T2 make WWE2K games?

T2 do own 2K, yeah.

Edited October 25, 2019 by ALifeOfMisery

[Lonely-Martin]

6 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

T2 do own 2K, yeah.

Proper funny, but a shame it won't help the WWE improve, lol. (And a shame gamers are getting a raw deal of course).

 

But I agree with you above too, R* could see anything we do in this or GTA at anytime but choose not to.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Lonely-Martin

[Jason]

Anyone of these is for the worst case scenario, money lobbies? hackers, account boosting? some type of leveling glitch, exploiting in-game mechanics? something like the treasure map glitch, etc, not the more innocent mix/max-y stuff.

 

But anyway as others have already said, this has been part of their ToS for ages now. They've never acted on it because ???, so while it would be nice to see them start, I don't see it happening.

Edited October 24, 2019 by Jason

[CosmicBuffalo]

PC RDO false bans incoming.

[CosmicBuffalo]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Anyone of these is for the worst case scenario, money lobbies? hackers, account boosting? some type of leveling glitch, exploiting in-game mechanics? something like the treasure map glitch, etc, not the more innocent mix/max-y stuff.

 

But anyway as others have already said, this has been part of their ToS for ages now. They've never acted on it because ???, so while it would be nice to see them start, I don't see it happening.

The language was update recently in July, I believe, to include the words glitch and exploit...there was always the vague and open term of cheating which was sort of defined as using a program to alter the game.

 

Here is the exact wording.  "cheat (including but not limited to utilizing exploits or glitches) or utilize any unauthorized robot, spider, or other program in connection with any online features of the Software;"

Edited October 24, 2019 by CosmicBuffalo

[Ghoffman9]

10 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

(* Ahh, a money lobby, as in cash dropping onto players etc? I just brushed over the main info, lol. Maybe misread that part. Still unconvinced R* will do close to a dent in the issues overall though, including bug fixes etc).

Like many words in the dictionary "money lobby" can have more than one meaning. A session filled with nothing but friendly players all looking to grind for money in peaceful coexistence is also classified as a money lobby. Cause thats the goal of everyone there, to make money and staying out of each other's way so everyone can make money.

[Gray-Hand]

9 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

Pretty sure that a Lobby dedicated to people making money in peace would be classed, like you said, as a "money lobby" or "account boosting"

 

 

GTAO "anti-cheat" was built with dried semen and chewing gum, just added to as time went on. RDO's anti-cheat system was built from the ground up with Microtransactions in mind from the start. I think people will be surprised what R* can see

A money lobby isn’t like one of those gta things where entire crews populate a lobby and go about their ceo/biker/gunrunning business in peace - that is playing the game as intended.

 

A money lobby is where people organise themselves to use glitches and exploits to get double or unlimited payouts and sh*t like that.

[CMCSAVAGE]

2 hours ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Like many words in the dictionary "money lobby" can have more than one meaning. A session filled with nothing but friendly players all looking to grind for money in peaceful coexistence is also classified as a money lobby. 

Dictionary, lol. Look up the word "wrong". 

[DarksunDaFirst]

15 hours ago, RyuNova said:

The one thing that catches my eye is "account boosting", pretty sure that's purposefully exploiting the games mechanics to quickly gain levels...which everyone is guilty of. Getting a group of friends and running loads of small deliveries to grind Trader or getting a high level friend to spawn $$$ Bounties for low levels.

 

Pretty sure that’s not what they’re talking about.  What they’re more likely talking about would be something like the Pacific Standard Heist exploit - where you had two players setup to do the Finale, you organized the payouts so the host would get zero, the second host would get 50%, and the tag alongs get 25% each, and the host would close out the app just before crossing the finish line so the other players receive the cash, the host keeps the finale option and then the other player with a finale can host a session and do the same

thing.  

 

Essentially every 2 finale’s, everybody earns $1M, and you could repeat it infinitely so long as each host kept closing the app as they were about to finish.  You could do this easily several times an hour.

 

That’s exploiting the game mechanics for boosting purposes. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2019 by DarksunDaFirst

[gtmike]

Yep this only applies to PC players, and more specifically, PC modders (and their victims).

 

Any insinuation that some of those bullet points (Account boosting, Money Lobbies, Interfering with other players) will apply to anything other than PC mods is bullsh*t.

 

 

[Duhillestpunk]

Watch them start resetting and banning innocent people. They’ve done it once they’ll do it again.

[Ghoffman9]

5 hours ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

Dictionary, lol. Look up the word "wrong". 

Oh? You create the definition? You hold dominion on how its used? I don't think so. Its what me and many players called such sessions over the years. Now if you're done making mountains out of molehills for the sake of flaming/trolling, how about you stop steering the conversation off course?

[Gleeman Vox]

Oh please, we’re gonna have people that are banned for legitimate reasons and then they’ll make some whiny post online quoting stuff like this saying they didn’t do anything and that the evil cockstar banned them for “playing the game”

Edited October 25, 2019 by Gleeman Vox

[Tez2]

19 hours ago, Ghoffman9 said:

Funny how "money lobbies" is included. Clearly something from Gta Online where a bunch of people with a set goal in mind peacefully coexisting. Guess they don't like players removing themselves from the community's infamous toxicity to do their own thing peacefully.

That's not what they are referring to.

A money lobby is where a cheater would spawn money bags or increase the cash you have.

It happens with games that are extremely new, just after release, one or two cheaters may be able to modify the game, when some people who don't care about playing legit see those cheaters for the first time, they would ask them for money, in return the cheaters would organize a lobby to drop money for those people.

The problem is how would Rockstar identify who's playing legit and who's not, the cheater may join random lobbies and drop money thus leading Rockstar to believe those people who received the money as potential cheaters.

Edited October 25, 2019 by Fun 2

[rusbeckia]

1 hour ago, Fun 2 said:

That's not what they are referring to.

A money lobby is where a cheater would spawn money bags or increase the cash you have.

It happens with games that are extremely new, just after release, one or two cheaters may be able to modify the game, when some people who don't care about playing legit see those cheaters for the first time, they would ask them for money, in return the cheaters would organize a lobby to drop money for those people.

The problem is how would Rockstar identify who's playing legit and who's not, the cheater may join random lobbies and drop money thus causing the people who received the money as potential cheaters.

This is exactly what happened on PC for GTAO. Another reason to play on console.