When will the “Tank Build” get nerfed?

[hotrats773]

1 hour ago, IamCourtney said:

It's a bit rich that we can't eat three raspberries without our bodies becoming too acclimated to benefit but we can gulp down moonshine and witch's brew by the gallon through a mouthful of chewing tobacco with no ill effects.

LOL.

 

Confession. I never, EVER use deadeye in PvP or PvE unless it's completely by accident. No flexing, just my laziness.

 

I do have the tank build all maxed out because I know PvP players will check out your build before attacking. More of a deterrent than anything.

 

The tonic chugging looks f*cking daffy to me. If I tried it while PvPing, I'd be smashing so many buttons that I'd end up buying a horse, killing it, open my catalog and satchel, discard everything then kill myself.

[Daleificent]

2 hours ago, hotrats773 said:

 

The tonic chugging looks f*cking daffy to me. If I tried it while PvPing, I'd be smashing so many buttons that I'd end up buying a horse, killing it, open my catalog and satchel, discard everything then kill myself.

I almost died laughing from that. I did that sh*t for like a good week before I got the hang of it.

[SinZer0s]

6 hours ago, rusbeckia said:

You can‘t mark crosses with PIb through scopes. 
 

edit: most players who use the rolling-block know HOW to use it...

You sure? I never tested it but it gave me that feeling, a lot of shots just felt "too perfect" to be done regularly but hey I guess I'm wrong then (I only used it for a moment until I bought S&S and never came back but players seem to really enjoy abusing the perfect accuracy it gives you) I still hate that card for free aim showdowns though.

[rusbeckia]

10 minutes ago, Darkshadows said:

You sure? I never tested it but it gave me that feeling, a lot of shots just felt "too perfect" to be done regularly but hey I guess I'm wrong then (I only used it for a moment until I bought S&S and never came back but players seem to really enjoy abusing the perfect accuracy it gives you) I still hate that card for free aim showdowns though.

Yea 100%. Rolling-Block is my most used weapon besides the bolt-action and the bow. 
but as said, players sniping regularly will down you in a sec, especially in freeaim. 

 

btw i totally agree with you that PIB in freeaim showdown isn‘t cool. 

[The Blast]

Better start going after that animal fat and buying dynamite & moonshine regularly.

Just have dynamite arrows, incendiary shotgun rounds, explosive express rounds, and explosive slugs stocked before entering all Shootouts and PvP jobs. Tank Build Jimmy Johns have nothing but tears for explosives. They don't stay in the session long when they're watching their character rocket into the air or bounce along the grass while on fire.

As soon as you're out of all of the above, leave the Shootout. Pointless to stay in Shootouts when you don't have the means necessary to own Tank Jimmys.

Also, remember that their perk on taking more damage from each consecutive shot requires it to happen with in ten seconds, so simply waiting to shoot them for ten seconds and making them come to you and keeping a mental timer helps. Make sure when you're ready to shoot, you're going to finish them. If you keep shooting them (without killing them), you're playing into their Jimmy John Tank spank bank.

Edited October 11, 2019 by The Blast

[Ronin Ogami]

1 hour ago, The Blast said:

Just have dynamite arrows,

 Really it all boils down to just this, & while I have seen it a time or two, I haven't seen the "tank build" take over PvP yet. In Only PvPcat's video it shows that Explosive arrows rock the scissors & paper out of 'em.

[Stretch188]

20 hours ago, Happy Hunter said:

Slippery Bastard on the other hand had its entire purpose removed.

 

Such a bummer. I'm a free aimer so I put all my money into maxing that ability card out early on. Came back to the game a couple weeks ago, now my only level 3 ability card is useless.

[djb204]

Yes. Rockstar should at the very least get rid of ability cards for the free-aim PvP matches.

[Dark Spark]

In the grand scheme of things, their Fool Me Once will time-out in 10 seconds, while your Landon's Patience will still be in play for 15.

 

I wonder how that'll work out.

[Happy Hunter]

I had a really strong one earlier. He was already being knocked over by explosive rounds from someone else. They must've used at least 2. I was far off, put 4 or 5 sniper shots into him - he still managed to return a shot on me before someone finally finished him off.

 

Dynamite arrows are the really solid counter though. In tighter maps just standard dynamite will work, but wide open maps it might be hard to get close enough.

 

I did once take one down with an explosive Rolling Block round, but I'm not sure if he was already damaged. I don't like to use those rounds in that, too easy to miss and waste them.

[Non Funkable Token]

22 hours ago, hotrats773 said:

LOL.

 

Confession. I never, EVER use deadeye in PvP or PvE unless it's completely by accident. No flexing, just my laziness.

 

I do have the tank build all maxed out because I know PvP players will check out your build before attacking. More of a deterrent than anything.

 

The tonic chugging looks f*cking daffy to me. If I tried it while PvPing, I'd be smashing so many buttons that I'd end up buying a horse, killing it, open my catalog and satchel, discard everything then kill myself.

 

Same as me. Too lazy to improve my deadeye skills or the tonic chugging routine. I barely engage pvp so it's not worth the hassle. This game offers much more than that.

 

 

20 hours ago, Daleificent said:

I almost died laughing from that. I did that sh*t for like a good week before I got the hang of it.

 

Me too

[Lonely-Martin]

4 minutes ago, Mirror Park Resident said:

Same as me. Too lazy to improve my deadeye skills or the tonic chugging routine. I barely engage pvp so it's not worth the hassle. This game offers much more than that.

Sums me up perfectly.

 

No top trumps either, lol.

[ALifeOfMisery]

Came up against a tank build player earlier after accidentally joining a freeroam event. They were strolling around, permanently in dead eye, PIB and 6 dynamite arrows later they left. 

 

As soon as you notice these players simply keep your distance and hit them with the big boys toys, they'll quit when they realise that they aren't in God mode after all.

[Ronin Ogami]

4 hours ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Came up against a tank build player earlier after accidentally joining a freeroam event. They were strolling around, permanently in dead eye, PIB and 6 dynamite arrows later they left. 

 

As soon as you notice these players simply keep your distance and hit them with the big boys toys, they'll quit when they realise that they aren't in God mode after all.

I'm very thankful dynamite arrows work, & that it seems they left this counter in on purpose. Otherwise, we'd be completely  screwed. That also seems to explain the many gifts of explosive arrows & ammo over the past few weeks, lol

Edited October 12, 2019 by Ronin Ogami

[Deadman2112]

Edit...

 

Nevermind 

Edited October 12, 2019 by Deadman2112

[XxJazzy42xX]

On 10/11/2019 at 5:52 PM, Stretch188 said:

 

Such a bummer. I'm a free aimer so I put all my money into maxing that ability card out early on. Came back to the game a couple weeks ago, now my only level 3 ability card is useless.

 

I mean I still have Slippery Bastard and I still find its uses elsewhere(especially with Dual Sawed Off Shotguns) just not what it once was though. I use it to close out on people who snuggle up behind cover and toss dynamite, because the lock-on is now on for Slippery Bastard its just that the reticle is much larger so the chance fo you landing a shot from a distance on a SB user or if you are using SB aiming at someone else in the distance is slim. I've always used SB to get hip-fire sawed off kills when I'm in an opponents grill and I fire them up that way. I'm telling you man. Now you can still use it to be elusive for a short while until someone has PIB, but most of the time I encounter people who are in panick mode and don't use PIB once I'm honed in on em. If I use it to be elusive its usually to cut around the corner at a quick enough pace and throw their aim off for a brief moment. Thats just how I still use it to remain a problem......its still useful for people who like getting into people's faces and cause disruption within the enemy ranks so your team can advance on forward.  

 

8 hours ago, Ronin Ogami said:

I'm very thankful dynamite arrows work, & that it seems they left this counter in on purpose. Otherwise, we'd be completely  screwed. That also seems to explain the many gifts of explosive arrows & ammo over the past few weeks, lol

Yeah I remember people didn't like them at first, because they use to be used by people who were severly losing gun battles with people. Now against the tanks its welcomed.

Edited October 13, 2019 by XxJazzy42xX

[raysis]

I think it’s ridicolous, i stopped doing PvP modes long time ago, enjoyed them way back but it just a f»»»fest now.

 

The controller is kinda still clumsy and feels a bit wierd, but that alone could be ok, the tonics and card ruin the pvp completly. I want fair fights, not pay to win with tonics and cards. Or spending a lot of money on herbs and tonics to have a fair chance.
 

I think they should make a showdown where one must use regular bullets, no cards or tonics. Then it could be enjoyable again 

Edited October 13, 2019 by raysis

[Foxwolfe]

On 10/10/2019 at 6:06 PM, wehweh01 said:

Naw but they had trash Aim Assist regardless. I know it's the traditional setting but this is where cards could've made the mixed lobby work. Instead rather than add balance they simply made it so you literally have to use Aim Assist against other players.

 

Free Aim preference goes completely disregarded with this update. Also, the so called "Free Aim" showdowns are a bad joke. It's just a bunch of Free Aim wannabes using Aim Assist and Paint It Trash. 

 

When will Rockstar realize there's a whole community that doesn't want Aim Assist at all and no broken abilities like Paint It Black?

 

Yeah it's literally why I'm in defensive most 95% of the time nowadays, just to eliminate that auto aim bullsh*t. Can't be assed to bother with PiB either, had enough of that from RD1 and RD2 story mode.

[SinZer0s]

On 10/10/2019 at 8:06 PM, wehweh01 said:

Naw but they had trash Aim Assist regardless. I know it's the traditional setting but this is where cards could've made the mixed lobby work. Instead rather than add balance they simply made it so you literally have to use Aim Assist against other players.

 

Free Aim preference goes completely disregarded with this update. Also, the so called "Free Aim" showdowns are a bad joke. It's just a bunch of Free Aim wannabes using Aim Assist and Paint It Trash. 

 

When will Rockstar realize there's a whole community that doesn't want Aim Assist at all and no broken abilities like Paint It Black?

I'm f*cking done with showdowns this sh*t ain't free aim, it's a bunch of tryhards using PIB and aim assist I just faced a whole team using sh*t Is Black you just stand no chance against that BS unless you use the same OP crap and honestly that just kills diversity 

 

Edit: PVP Is basically f*cked, you got inmortal assholes and auto aim suckers in free aim

Edited October 13, 2019 by Darkshadows

[wehweh01]

2 hours ago, Darkshadows said:

I'm f*cking done with showdowns this sh*t ain't free aim, it's a bunch of tryhards using PIB and aim assist I just faced a whole team using sh*t Is Black you just stand no chance against that BS unless you use the same OP crap and honestly that just kills diversity 

 

Edit: PVP Is basically f*cked, you got inmortal assholes and auto aim suckers in free aim

Agreed. There's so much Rockstar could have done to add more balance. Unfortunately they decided to completely ignore feedback from Free Aimers and cater to casuals. 

 

Free Aim or "Expert Aim" should've been held in high regard instead of becoming what it is currently. An added taboo feature...

[RyuNova]

On 10/12/2019 at 2:06 PM, ALifeOfMisery said:

Came up against a tank build player earlier after accidentally joining a freeroam event. They were strolling around, permanently in dead eye, PIB and 6 dynamite arrows later they left. 

 

 

I can imagine the throbbing erection (or lady boner) this gave you. Nothing more satisfying than knocking the smug grin off some turds face.

[tonko]

Ability card do create diversity, right? I mean, what other game let's you survive 10 headshots. Amazing stuff, we need more of this.

 

Realism and immersion too. Best PVP i played in ages.

[rusbeckia]

43 minutes ago, tonko said:

Ability card do create diversity, right? I mean, what other game let's you survive 10 headshots. Amazing stuff, we need more of this.

 

Realism and immersion too. Best PVP i played in ages.

Lol realism and the western genre are contradictory up to some extent.

the bufallo soldiers that fended off 70men with 3 weapons must have had tank build too

[pariah87]

Lol pvp for gta and red dead? Who cares

[Daleificent]

10 hours ago, tonko said:

Ability card do create diversity, right? I mean, what other game let's you survive 10 headshots. Amazing stuff, we need more of this.

 

Realism and immersion too. Best PVP i played in ages.

I'm always torn on the cards. I enjoy the occasional time I run in a posse who have 'roles' I suppose. The mix of cards give you a chance to make your toon unique I suppose? You wanna snipe? Cards for that. Dual Handguns? Cards for that. Be the guy who gets shot (a lot) but somehow never dies? Cards for that. Makes it fun in PvE. Free Roam may just have to be given up to always being a mixed lobby with cards always on.

 

PvP Showdowns and what not? I'd love a normal mode without cards just to see the difference. If they did complete free-aim and no cards I'd be elated. They can be in PvP, they already have modes with them, but even I want this option. I don't play PvP constantly but I hop on when I'm feeling gutsy. But this just sounds so much more fun.

[The Blast]

On 10/12/2019 at 6:06 AM, ALifeOfMisery said:

Came up against a tank build player earlier after accidentally joining a freeroam event. They were strolling around, permanently in dead eye, PIB and 6 dynamite arrows later they left. 

 

As soon as you notice these players simply keep your distance and hit them with the big boys toys, they'll quit when they realise that they aren't in God mode after all.

Hear! Hear!

[Talisman_83]

If I'm hunting or heavily outnumbered in freemode PVP, then I'm running the tank build and in defensive.

However, if dynamite arrows and PIB are being used against me, then no amount of defensive abilities will help.

You may as well go full frontal offensive - PIB, Landon's, Winning Streak / Peak Condition and Fool Me Once (need to have some kind of defence in there).

It quickly comes down to who can fire off fastest and be more accurate.

Edited October 16, 2019 by Talisman_83

[Nerfgoth]

On 10/11/2019 at 3:07 PM, Nick1020 said:

There’s a couple of ways to fix it. 
 

1: Nerf the consumption of tonics. It’s the main reason why these tank builds are powerful atm. Make it where consuming a few too many will slowly loose the effect or be immune to it. And as a bonus drink too many, you puke it up or loose health. 
 

2: Have a health, damage and defense slots, just like deadeye has its own slot. The only reason why these tanks builds are slowly becoming rampant is because of stacking. By having a slot for each ability card none of them can’t be stacked.
 

 

Even nerfing these defense cards, a new meta will just emerge. If anything a nerf in the tonics would be better. Cause I’m running into too many high level tryhards chugging these in showdowns. 

Your number 1 is a good way to go.... And why not both puking and losing health at the same time?

 

 

On 10/11/2019 at 9:15 PM, The Blast said:

Better start going after that animal fat and buying dynamite & moonshine regularly.

Just have dynamite arrows, incendiary shotgun rounds, explosive express rounds, and explosive slugs stocked before entering all Shootouts and PvP jobs. Tank Build Jimmy Johns have nothing but tears for explosives. They don't stay in the session long when they're watching their character rocket into the air or bounce along the grass while on fire.

As soon as you're out of all of the above, leave the Shootout. Pointless to stay in Shootouts when you don't have the means necessary to own Tank Jimmys.

Also, remember that their perk on taking more damage from each consecutive shot requires it to happen with in ten seconds, so simply waiting to shoot them for ten seconds and making them come to you and keeping a mental timer helps. Make sure when you're ready to shoot, you're going to finish them. If you keep shooting them (without killing them), you're playing into their Jimmy John Tank spank bank.

Why don´t use slippery bastard and run up to them and knife them? Or better hog tie them!?