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djb204

Will We Ever Get A Native American DLC?

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djb204

Native American Camp Theme.

 

Native American Tents. (teepees/tipi’s, wigwams, etc)

 

Native American Horse Customization. (warpaint on horses, feathers on horses, etc)

 

Native American Weapon Varients. (feathers & paint on guns, bows, tomahawks, etc)

 

Native American Emotes. (war cries, war dances, etc)

 

Native American Hairstyles. (braids, mohawks, long hair, etc)

 

Native American Clothing. (self explanatory: leather, beads, etc)

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This is something I wanted since the game launched, but I don’t know if it will ever happen. The potential is there, just look at all the areas of the game that could translate easily into a Native American theme. (ideas above). The one area that I struggle with while brain storming on a Native American DLC for RDRO is roles. I don’t know what Rockstar could do in terms of using a Native American theme as a foundation for one of its Frontier Pursuits, which are primarily focused around making money. I don’t know what would fit for Native Americans, and that is why I don’t know if we will ever see a Native American DLC sadly. Rockstar COULD still release this type of add-on as a cosmetic addition, but I highly doubt they would put time and effort into content that doesn’t have a financial gain angle.

I still hope we do eventually get a Native American DLC, but how could it work? Thoughts?

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CMCSAVAGE
32 minutes ago, djb204 said:

I still hope we do eventually get a Native American DLC, but how could it work? Thoughts?

It wouldn't work. Where would see any Native Americans in 1898? If you answered reservations, than you'd be right. So how would it make sense to see them wandering around anywhere on the map?

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ThaBirdCoot

Not in this life I fear.

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RaigeGames

Very doubtful that we'll ever see a whole DLC centered around Native Americans. As @CMCSAVAGE said, they mostly lived on reservations, and even in SP the Wapiti are concentrated around the reservation (though strangely not there in online). I do think, however, that we'll see some of the things you've mentioned paired with other DLC's. Take Frontier Pursuits for example. They added a few longer hairstyles, a new pair of moccasins, and the trader clothing gives the sort of buckskin clothing feel, albeit a little fancier. I think we'll likely see more of these kinds of things added slowly with each DLC, but there's just not enough content for a whole DLC and just not a big enough player base that would really enjoy it I'm afraid. There's a good number of us Native players, but in the grand scheme of things we probably only make up a small portion of the player base 

 

Also, this should probably go in the DLC add on/wishlist thread

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Dark Spark

Real disappointed to see Wapiti deserted in Online. Could have done with a Doctor's office/medicine trader there.

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djb204
4 hours ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

It wouldn't work. Where would see any Native Americans in 1898? If you answered reservations, than you'd be right. So how would it make sense to see them wandering around anywhere on the map?

Rockstar hasn’t been following an authenticity guide line when it comes to the content we see. Explosive rounds and incendiary rounds in the old west is proof of that.

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Bakkerbaard

Plus, I believe there's a risk of it becoming offensive issue. I'm trying to think of better wording, but that's the jist of it anyway.

There's a fair few that'll probably play Native American, but I'm willing to bet a gold bar there's a bunch of yahoos that'll play "injun".

 

Also, there was a bit of an uproar a while back when a Dutch (iirc) singer wanted to go to the Eurovision wearing a full Native feather headdress and apparently the problem wasn't so much cultural appropriation, as it was not having earned the right to wear those particular kind of feathers. I know too little of Native American culture to make any educated comments, but I believe they take great pride in their culture and I'd be very interested in hearing an opinion from that group on depictions in videogames.

 

Oh, time for deliveries.

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djb204

Sad but true. There would be those of us that would appreciate more Native American elements into the game, but I agree there could be potential to spark controversy too.

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ThaBirdCoot
40 minutes ago, djb204 said:

Sad but true. There would be those of us that would appreciate more Native American elements into the game, but I agree there could be potential to spark controversy too.

Killing cops and women or any ethnicity in R* games is about okay. Natives eh that might be a tad sensitive... 

 

Forgot children, who didnt wanna kill the children in elder scrolls skyrim ?! Just me ? Silly me

1 hour ago, Bakkerbaard said:

Also, there was a bit of an uproar a while back when a Dutch (iirc) singer wanted to go to the Eurovision wearing a full Native feather headdress

Remember the black bearded woman man ?  no gender ? that was quite something. As sheriff Freeman would put it

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Bakkerbaard
45 minutes ago, djb204 said:

potential to spark controversy too.

Thank you!

Controversy! That's the word I was looking for.

7 minutes ago, ThaBirdCoot said:

 

Remember the black bearded woman man ?  no gender ? that was quite something. As sheriff Freeman would put it

Apparently you don't have to earn the right to bear beard.

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Leftover Pizza

I'd love to see a good number of Native American clothing items, besides the few options we have now. 
A full DLC isn't gonna happen, most likely, for political and cultural reasons. We do have some ornamental items and landmarks on the map too. So, it's not impossible to add items like bone armour, teepee camp theme (with a Native American instead of Cripps), mohawk hair style, warpaint option, saddles (or bare back riding), clothing too. 
oh, and a visible quiver, of course. 

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The Dedito Gae
8 hours ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

It wouldn't work. Where would see any Native Americans in 1898? If you answered reservations, than you'd be right. So how would it make sense to see them wandering around anywhere on the map?

Yes between all the things that not make sense in RDO, natives are part of it... even though the game its a prequel and Dutch's gang in the sequel its comprised of natives residing in Tall Trees.

 

 

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Caffeination

I do want to decorate my beloved Nokota with some feather accessories, like the ones you see on the buckskin mask, perhaps even have an all-new saddle with a Native motif that buffs speed and stamina like the Nacogdoches saddle.

 

As for clothing, I don’t really mind if they bring any or not, my Native is a wanderer and dresses in typical western/worker clothing you’d see on ranchers and whatnot.

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Daleificent

I wouldn't worry too much about backlash or things like that. The Wapiti are a tribe created for the world of RDR, and if R* decides to expand on that with clothing and cosmetics it'll likely be gear that fits the Wapiti tribes aesthetic and whatever lore R* has created for the Wapiti. Completely avoid most issues outright just from that.

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RyuNova
21 minutes ago, Daleificent said:

I wouldn't worry too much about backlash or things like that. The Wapiti are a tribe created for the world of RDR, and if R* decides to expand on that with clothing and cosmetics it'll likely be gear that fits the Wapiti tribes aesthetic and whatever lore R* has created for the Wapiti. Completely avoid most issues outright just from that.

 

You also remember that Wapiti had a "no weapons zone" around it (yes, I am aware you could snipe them) making you unable to attack the tribe. Its quite obvious this was made so that people could not massacre a Native American tribe "for the lolz" showing that despite all of R* bluster even they have lines or fear the SJW backlash. 

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Caffeination
3 hours ago, RyuNova said:

... or fear the SJW backlash. 

Or, they did it because it’d be their fault as well if players are able to freely slaughter the disenfranchised natives, and because they’re integral to the story.

 

We already have KKK and neo-Confederate LARPers who made themselves at home in the game as residential griefers, targeting any dark-skinned character they see, female characters as well if they’re that bored, and going as far as harassing them in PM and attempting to doxx them. Rockstar hasn’t done anything to address or counter-act this behavior, so just imagine the sh*t these same toxic players would do if they can kill the people of Wapiti.

 

Get that “SJW” bogeyman out of your head for once, it’ll help you realize just how sizable the bigoted portion of Rockstar’s consumers is.

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RyuNova
2 minutes ago, Caffeination said:

Or, they did it because it’d be their fault as well if players are able to freely slaughter the disenfranchised natives, and because they’re integral to the story.

 

 

Who is integral? Rains Falls and Eagle Flies? You have never been able to kill named NPC's unless its a scripted mission. 

The generic Wapiti NPC's? What makes them different to the generic Black, White, Asian or any other NPC? Why do the Native Americans get special treatment?

 

4 minutes ago, Caffeination said:

We already have KKK and neo-Confederate LARPers who made themselves at home in the game as residential griefers, targeting any dark-skinned character they see, female characters as well if they’re that bored, and going as far as harassing them in PM and attempting to doxx them. Rockstar hasn’t done anything to address or counter-act this behavior, so just imagine the sh*t these same toxic players would do if they can kill the people of Wapiti.

 

The actions of the players are not the fault of R* and that was not the point I was trying to make.

 

5 minutes ago, Caffeination said:

Get that “SJW” bogeyman out of your head for once, it’ll help you realize just how sizable the bigoted portion of Rockstar’s consumers is.

 

Again, if people want to dress like KKK members or Confederate soldiers and harass people thats not R*'s fault. People are dicks.

 

The point I am trying to make is R* seems to have a line in the sand they won't cross and its evident by giving the Native American NPC's special treatment. I am all for getting Native American stuff. More animal pelt clothing would be great, all I am saying is that I doubt R* wants the "Cultural Appropriation" SJW sh*te that would come from letting people who play as White characters dress up in traditional Native American attire or deck their Camps out in possible sacred items for fun.

 

If the SJW can decimate real world children for dressing up in Native American Halloween costumes imagine what they would do with this. They already hate R* and have tried to destroy them multiple times. I doubt R* wants that heat.

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Caffeination
1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

 

Who is integral? Rains Falls and Eagle Flies? You have never been able to kill named NPC's unless its a scripted mission. 

 

The generic Wapiti NPC's? What makes them different to the generic Black, White, Asian or any other NPC? Why do the Native Americans get special treatment?

All of them are integral. Their struggle, their suffering, their existence, their identity, everything about them is important to the game’s sixth chapter and Arthur’s realization that he’s capable of sympathy and empathy.

 

And yes, I do wonder why this specific group of people get special treatment. They’ve only been slaughtered and forced to relocate from territory they’ve lived in for thousands of years into remote reservation, have their essential supplies cut off from them, have their women and children kidnapped to be “re-educated” and lose their culture and languages so they become “civilized”, and constantly harassed so they’re provoked into wars they’d lose and have their genocide resumed, all of which have been carried by the same government, so they clearly aren’t more worthy of sympathy than this poor white man who’s rather vocal of his hatred towards natives and black people.

 

13 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

The actions of the players are not the fault of R* and that was not the point I was trying to make.

They are obliged to address this behavior and take action, especially if these hateful acts are reported about in the media and fan forums but nothing’s being done about it.

 

16 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Again, if people want to dress like KKK members or Confederate soldiers and harass people thats not R*'s fault. People are dicks.

It IS Rockstar’s fault for not doing anything about people abusing others in their game, just like how a cigarette company is at fault for all the plastic pollution they’ve created. But no, they’ll take action on anyone who cheats their revenue stream, since that’s clearly more important than KKK posses.

 

20 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I am all for getting Native American stuff. More animal pelt clothing would be great, all I am saying is that I doubt R* wants the "Cultural Appropriation" SJW sh*te that would come from letting people who play as White characters dress up in traditional Native American attire or deck their Camps out in possible sacred items for fun.

Except that this hypothetical scenario won’t happen. The outrage part of it, I mean.

 

This “SJW” bogeyman won’t form an army and come knock down their door, demanding they answer why a Native-themed update, that was made with Native characters and players in mind, got released if some white man gets to decorate his horse with war paint and feathers. Like, this will literally never happen, no one ever threw any outrage at white characters being able to wear sombreros, or Cripps being able to dress like a bandito, or real-life men being able to play as female characters, or any other scenario you can conjure up about those spoooooooooky esjaydubyooz coming out to get you and skin you alive.

 

If Rockstar bothers to release Native-themed items, they’ll do it, and literally no one will be upset about it. Forget about your outdated and non-existent bogeyman, and move the f*ck on.

 

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RyuNova
1 hour ago, Caffeination said:

All of them are integral. Their struggle, their suffering, their existence, their identity, everything about them is important to the game’s sixth chapter and Arthur’s realization that he’s capable of sympathy and empathy.

 

And yes, I do wonder why this specific group of people get special treatment. They’ve only been slaughtered and forced to relocate from territory they’ve lived in for thousands of years into remote reservation, have their essential supplies cut off from them, have their women and children kidnapped to be “re-educated” and lose their culture and languages so they become “civilized”, and constantly harassed so they’re provoked into wars they’d lose and have their genocide resumed, all of which have been carried by the same government, so they clearly aren’t more worthy of sympathy than this poor white man who’s rather vocal of his hatred towards natives and black people.

 

Either you agree with me and are being obtuse for the fun of it or you are completely missing the point if what I am saying and yet repeating what I am saying unknowingly. Either way we agree.

 

R* has NEVER given special treatment to any marginalised group. They have made fun of Black people, White people, Rednecks, Jews, Homosexuals, Latinos, Transexuals etc. Only the Native Americans in RDR2 have had special treatment and made unkillable.

 

1 hour ago, Caffeination said:

They are obliged to address this behavior and take action, especially if these hateful acts are reported about in the media and fan forums but nothing’s being done about it.

 

You would have a point if R* had put actual KKK robes in the game or Confederate uniforms but they have not. Thats the point I am trying to make. Adding Native American attire and items might hit a little too close for some people.

 

1 hour ago, Caffeination said:

Except that this hypothetical scenario won’t happen. The outrage part of it, I mean.

 

It won't? Have you not been paying attention? Remember the sixteen-year-old girl that got decimated by the Media for daring to wear a Qipao she bought second hand to Prom? Or the people that get slammed for daring to be White and having Dreadlocks?

 

I am old enough to have played every GTA game and old enough to have heard and understood all the backlash that R* has gotten for stuff in the games.

 

1 hour ago, Caffeination said:

This “SJW” bogeyman won’t form an army and come knock down their door, demanding they answer why a Native-themed update, that was made with Native characters and players in mind, got released if some white man gets to decorate his horse with war paint and feathers. Like, this will literally never happen, no one ever threw any outrage at white characters being able to wear sombreros, or Cripps being able to dress like a bandito, or real-life men being able to play as female characters, or any other scenario you can conjure up about those spoooooooooky esjaydubyooz coming out to get you and skin you alive.

 

Two things, the moment you start taking the piss means you have lost any validity you had. I have been nothing but respectful you and instead of having an adult conversation you decide to act like this.

Secondly, you seem to think I don't want these things or that I am worried that R* will get in trouble. I want these things and I could not give a sh*t what R* does. They have weathered worse stuff than this. Look up R* and Jack Thompson.

I am simply saying that R* seems to have found their line with the Native Americans and wont cross it. Why? Who knows, either out of fear, respect or just being generally tired. R* have admitted that the ideas they have for GTA VI would not go down very well in today's climate which is why they are in no rush to make GTA VI proving they have a line.

 

1 hour ago, Caffeination said:

move the f*ck on.

 

Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop getting annoyed by other peoples opinions. Move on.

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CMCSAVAGE
1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

Either you agree with me and are being obtuse 

 

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Daleificent
14 hours ago, RyuNova said:

The point I am trying to make is R* seems to have a line in the sand they won't cross and its evident by giving the Native American NPC's special treatment. I am all for getting Native American stuff. More animal pelt clothing would be great, all I am saying is that I doubt R* wants the "Cultural Appropriation" SJW sh*te that would come from letting people who play as White characters dress up in traditional Native American attire or deck their Camps out in possible sacred items for fun.

 

You're kind of missing the point of what I said here. Wapiti isn't a real tribe. Traditional native attire is such a huge blanket term, they're not just one giant group. Traditional for who? Which tribe/nation? Are the decorations unique to the Wapiti, or did they use a real tribes? Those things matter. If R* decides to make it's own DLC, the traditional outfits will be from the Wapiti tribe (Assumption of course, on that) so apart from the usual SJW outrage (the kind that flares then disappears cause it was silly) I highly doubt many will be upset over fake characters, wearing a fake tribes outfit. Some outfits wont even have designs on them like people will expect. They'll just be clothes made the way nomadic humans have made them forever.

 

R* will do it if they want. Will make some snide remark when people get offended. And then it'll be forgotten.

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RyuNova
5 minutes ago, Daleificent said:

You're kind of missing the point of what I said here. Wapiti isn't a real tribe. Traditional native attire is such a huge blanket term, they're not just one giant group. Traditional for who? Which tribe/nation? Are the decorations unique to the Wapiti, or did they use a real tribes? Those things matter. If R* decides to make it's own DLC, the traditional outfits will be from the Wapiti tribe (Assumption of course, on that) so apart from the usual SJW outrage (the kind that flares then disappears cause it was silly) I highly doubt many will be upset over fake characters, wearing a fake tribes outfit. Some outfits wont even have designs on them like people will expect. They'll just be clothes made the way nomadic humans have made them forever.

 

It does not matter in todays climate. You think the dick sniffers who get offended by anything and everything care about the little details? I again go back to the people that crucified children for wearing a Native American themed Halloween costume for Halloween. That costume was not offensive nor was it based upon any particular tribe and yet people still took offence to it.

 

Or the girl that wore the Chinese dress to Prom. I remember seeing something about that where a guy asked actual Chinese people in China what they thought and they said she looks lovely and no they didn't care but the media didn't care about the opinions of actual Chinese people and reported for the outrage mob.

 

If someone can get called a Racist for quoting actual real world and true statistics or someone can get fired and called a bigot for accidentally calling someone by the wrong pronouns do you honestly think that R*, one of the most well known and controversial Devs in the world, would not offend someone or some group that would make a big stink about it?

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7 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

If someone can get called a Racist for quoting actual real world and true statistics or someone can get fired and called a bigot for accidentally calling someone by the wrong pronouns do you honestly think that R*, one of the most well known and controversial Devs in the world, would not offend someone or some group that would make a big stink about it?

Of course they would. If were debating on if people will make a stink, it's a no brainer and you'd be dead right. Yes, some folks will get offended. Sensitive folks are everywhere. But R* like you said, is no stranger to controversy. I still find Native costumes in stores so the stink wasn't really a big deal. I was actually with my cousins in the PNW when I read about that a few years back, they laughed and said they'll have to go back to making their own now. Like you said, the people who would be expected to be offended don't care, and the people who shouldn't have a say in the first place are 'offended'. Yeah, some are upset, and no one cares. (I'm sure some do, but I imagine you get what I mean) The part I have no reasonable idea on aside from my own opinion is how many people would be offended. If it's a f*ckload of people who are upset, yeah we should look into it, but a handful? Or the usual SJW iterations? Pfft, go suck the chrome off a door knob. (Not you lol.) It's the 'wonders' of a nation with a melting pot of cultures and sensitive people.

 

R* throwing in some outfits from a fake tribe will make people with nothing better to do mad, then someone will do something remotely f*cked or racist and they'll move on to that. The climate is very anal, yes, but they can't decide which 'outrage' to pick. They hop back and forth so bad. I just saw a thing on people giving Beiber sh*t cause he has Savannah cats. Like, really?

 

Would outrage be enough to stop them from doing it if they decided to? Nah, personally I highly doubt it. Would they just not to avoid a headache like you mentioned? No idea on that. I wish I knew what they were thinking lol. I guess we have to wait and see? I hope we do get some of this stuff. Wigwams/tipi's are just awesome in general. sh*t, even just cosmetic bows.

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RyuNova
1 hour ago, Daleificent said:

Would outrage be enough to stop them from doing it if they decided to? Nah, personally I highly doubt it. Would they just not to avoid a headache like you mentioned? No idea on that. I wish I knew what they were thinking lol. I guess we have to wait and see? I hope we do get some of this stuff. Wigwams/tipi's are just awesome in general. sh*t, even just cosmetic bows.

 

Thank you for being rational and accepting that people have different opinions on certain matters.

 

I too want Native American stuff the more options the better, I just find it suspect as to why the Wapiti are the only NPC's apart from story specific ones that R* has given special treatment to. I wonder if R* has found their line or grown a social conscience.

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Daleificent
1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

 

Thank you for being rational and accepting that people have different opinions on certain matters.

 

I too want Native American stuff the more options the better, I just find it suspect as to why the Wapiti are the only NPC's apart from story specific ones that R* has given special treatment to. I wonder if R* has found their line or grown a social conscience.

Just depends on your personal definitions and R*'s definitions on those. I'm sure someone from R* will tell you there is a line, and it could be very well nothing like we think. We'd probably find a reasonable social conscience with them right now as well. Again, just depends on how they define it. I'd kill someone to hear what lines they refuse to cross.

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The Dedito Gae
24 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I too want Native American stuff the more options the better, I just find it suspect as to why the Wapiti are the only NPC's apart from story specific ones that R* has given special treatment to. I wonder if R* has found their line or grown a social conscience.

Rhodes? Hello? 

Theres a segment where you cant take your guns out in there and have to act like a good boy cuz Dutch said so, is just a forced gameplay element (one of the many present in RDR2)

 

Does no one remember how Dutch's gang in the first game is mostly made up of natives? Natives which you can kill and are pretty much cannon fodder? Some Skinner brothers are also natives.

 

lmao @ people against native content in a f*cking cowboy game

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5 minutes ago, The Deadite said:

Theres a segment where you cant take your guns out in there and have to act like a good boy cuz Dutch said so, is just a forced gameplay element (one of the many present in RDR2)

 

 

That was a scripted event tied directly into the story. There is no story reason why the Wapiti have a "pacification field" around them.

 

7 minutes ago, The Deadite said:

Does no one remember how Dutch's gang in the first game is mostly made up of natives? Natives which you can kill and are pretty much cannon fodder? Some Skinner brothers are also natives.

 

 Does no-one remember how that was eight years ago. Times have changed and people are far more butthurt for easier.

 

8 minutes ago, The Deadite said:

lmao @ people against native content in a f*cking cowboy game

 lmao @ you showing me where I said I was against it

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16 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

lmao @ you showing me where I said I was against it

You keep mentioning this might offend people, people which in this case is just a small vocal group of soccer moms or some sh*t like that.

 

17 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Does no-one remember how that was eight years ago. Times have changed and people are far more butthurt for easier.

Might as well stop adding guns to RDO since violence in videogames is such a big deal now.

 

The wannabe jaded gamers like you are just as bad as the SJW crowd you whine all day about.

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12 hours ago, The Deadite said:

You keep mentioning this might offend people, people which in this case is just a small vocal group of soccer moms or some sh*t like that.

 

And that means that I don't want it? And you call me the jaded one.

 

Read through my posts, you will find at least two of them where I say I want a Native American update.

 

 

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I think there will be a survival update or dlc or whatever you want to call it. It would contain these kinds of things you described, war paint and bandanas. Imagine Arnold in Predator and Sly in Rambo. 

The reason being it would avoid any controversy. 

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